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posted June 13, 2008 05:28 PM |
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In the original, you can divide the 'space' indefinitely, always coming to a 'smaller' distance.
How many times do you have to divide it before the amount of spaces becomes infinite? An infinite number.
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Who said anything about free will?
I did, before we got into this disucussion about quantum physics.
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posted June 13, 2008 05:40 PM |
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How many times do you have to divide it before the amount of spaces becomes infinite? An infinite number.
So? What's wrong with dividing it an infinite number of times?
How many times do you have to iterate through an algorithm to calculate the TRUE Pi? An infinite number, not a near-infinite one btw.. and Pi still exists 
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posted June 13, 2008 05:44 PM |
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Pi is defined. It is a concept. How much it exactly is is unknown.
But we've strayed far off topic.
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posted June 15, 2008 03:05 PM |
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so for this one, you have: 0.1, 0.01, 0.001, 0.0001, 0.00001, and so on (if you divide it by 10 each time), and you CAN divide it infinite times (even if infinity is not a number), if you think about it.
No. You cannot. You can perform the division and arbitrary large amount of times. There's a fundamental difference.
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posted June 15, 2008 11:53 PM |
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Sorry, you can argue this in a century if you want. You are not going to convince me. Evolution is a lie.
And before you quote some bad liberal catholic, I'm going to quote Blessed Pope Pius X:
"Liberal Catholics are wolves in sheep's clothing, and the true priest is bound to unmask them"
VICTORY FOR CHRIST!
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posted June 16, 2008 12:00 AM |
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Hey Zan. Nice to see you again.
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posted June 16, 2008 12:10 AM |
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You might be correct baclava, but I am unsure.
Anyway, if that's the case, nice to see you back Zan, I'll be seen almost as a liberal compared to you .
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posted June 16, 2008 12:15 AM |
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You might be correct baclava, but I am unsure.
How many fanatical catholics on a holy mission to bring the word of God to the heretical members of Heroes Community can the world host?
Oh I'm pretty sure it's Zan.
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posted June 16, 2008 12:31 AM |
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Scarlet, are you aware that the Catholic church supports evolution?
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posted June 16, 2008 10:52 AM |
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Zan? You are talking about me, right?
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I'll be seen almost as a liberal compared to you
Depends. I'm not far right but I'm far authoritarian.
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How many fanatical catholics on a holy mission to bring the word of God to the heretical members of Heroes Community can the world host?
Oh I'm pretty sure it's Zan.
That's a nice nickname, Baklava. I'm not to much of a fanatic actually, a group of sedevacantists once called me a "liberal" and a "lukewarm catholic".
You may call this a holy mission if you want, I am spreading the word and that is holy.
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Scarlet, are you aware that the Catholic church supports evolution?
No, it doesn't. It holds no official opinion on the subject. Although some Jesuit liberals actively supports it and are going to celebrate Darwin this year, but the Jesuits are lukily a small minority in the church.
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posted June 16, 2008 11:07 AM |
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Dude... when I saw this I already got suspicious two topics about gay people and one about religion... Jesus not another one oO salvation is at hand!Could we do us all a favour and just ignore join him in his rightous journey of spreading the holy word!
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posted June 16, 2008 11:17 AM |
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Lets give them the benifit of the doubt. Religion should be about tolerence, forgiveness, and understanding. Not.."You have to believe like me or else". Just because they have faith that we came from some single cell organism instead of having a higher calling, doesn't mean they are wrong. Just that they believe differently. Nothing wrong with that.
Too often religion is twisted to be hateful and people try to force it down other's throats. Any truely good all powerful being would not need us to kill in it's name or force our beliefs on others. It would be able to handle itself.
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posted June 16, 2008 11:17 AM |
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When I saw this signature I thought this is some kind of joke or self-irony but the truth seems scary 
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posted June 16, 2008 11:18 AM |
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That's a nice nickname, Baklava.
Thanks.
I also like it  It sort of overrides the differences between peoples and cultures all the way through the east. Orthodox, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, baklava is the one thing that connects them all
I thought Jesuits were supposed to be one of the most zealous catholic orders in existence? I mean, since they were created to restore the catholic influence after the renaissance and counter the reformation etcetera?
Anyway, according to your graph, you're further left than you're authoritarian
Besides, authoritarian left is the definition of communism. Which is pretty much an atheist system.
And how come you're left and you call Francisco Franco a catholic hero?
Sorry for all the questions, I'm just interested as to what your opinions are. Since you are the one that will lead me to the path of heaven
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posted June 16, 2008 11:26 AM |
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Could we do us all a favour and just ignore him?
Azagal! Say not such blasphemous things! 
Scarlet has the strength inside him, he is a man on a mission, and we are that mission. Turn away from the demons of sexual and religious "freedoms" that will only lead your soul to Hell and try to see the Truth like he does!
Forgive them, Scarlet, they know not what they're doing. Lead us out of this sin-ridden path into thy Kingdom of Heaven. My faith belongs to thee.
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posted June 16, 2008 11:27 AM |
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Scarlet, are you aware that the Catholic church supports evolution?
I told you I might be back, and so it happens. Fear! 
I tell you I knew that. It shocked me yes. And did you know some catholic do not believe in God? But truly it happens. That is why making a statement: catholic/religious=believer/christian is quite hasty. And just to say this again: If the 1st man of your country would say "From now on Whereeveriania refuses that milk is white." Would you like if we kept pointig it to you and behave as if you were on totally the same opinion as that man(/woman)?
(note: I'm not talking about any certain person)
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posted June 16, 2008 11:33 AM |
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It's good to see you're back Bak.
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posted June 16, 2008 11:41 AM |
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Dude... when I saw this I already got suspicious two topics about gay people and one about religion... Jesus not another one oO (or him again). Could we do us all a favour and just ignore him?
So you don't like debating religious people? How narrow-minded of you!
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Religion should be about tolerence
The bible dissagrees with you:
2 Chronicles 13:15: And if any one, said he, seek not the Lord the God of Israel, let him die, whether little or great, man or woman. (Douay-Rheims Bible)
Tolerance can be both good and bad, but these days religious tolerance has gone way to far.
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forgiveness, and understanding.
I agree.
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Any truely good all powerful being would not need us to kill in it's name or force our beliefs on others.
It's our mission to spread the word. You are not to judge if God is good or not, he is the one to judge if you are good or not.
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When I saw this signature I thought this is some kind of joke or self-irony but the truth seems scary
Please explain.
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It sort of overrides the differences between peoples and cultures all the way through the east. Orthodox, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, baklava is the one thing that connects them all.
Yeah. Sadly their aren't many baklava stores in this country. I have been to Greece, do you Serbs make better or worse baklava than those guys?
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I thought Jesuits were supposed to be one of the most zealous catholic orders in existence? I mean, since they were created to restore the catholic influence after the renaissance and counter the reformation etcetera?
Yes. They WHERE supposed to be one of the most zealous catholic orders. I have seen some zealous jesuits, like a deacon in a nearby parish, but on the whole they have become some kind of scientific counterpart to the traditionalists and to the Opus Dei. (who aren't actually very conservative)
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Anyway, according to your graph, you're further left than you're authoritarian
Besides, authoritarian left is the definition of communism. Which is pretty much an atheist system.
I think the communists are in the upper left corner. Lukily I' not there, yet.
It's only natural for a Christian to be against capitalism and it's greed.
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And how come you're left and you call Francisco Franco a catholic hero?
Well, he was a good catholic, and I have noting against dictatorship. Sure, he did introduce some cruel punishments but that's better than having a communist or anarchist dictatorship where everyone is forced to be atheist.
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Sorry for all the questions
No problem.
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you are the one that will lead me to the path of heaven
ehmm... no that man is Jesus. Thanks anyway.
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posted June 16, 2008 11:45 AM |
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Hey it's my other favourite poster. Welcome back
Taking bets on how long he'll last until he's silenced (based on KD and that other guy's performance... the Slayer guy)
Anyway, I read an interesting article today. Pretty close to my thoughts on things, and very relevant to current talk of science v religion Unfortunately I was only given the first page
Does science make belief in God obsolete?
by Steven Pinker
Yes, if by "science we mean the entire enterprise of secular reason and knowledge (including history and philosophy), not just people with test tubes and white lab coats.
Traditionally, a belief in God was attractive because it promised to explain the deepest puzzles about origins. Where did the world come from? What is the basis of life? How can the mind arise from the body? Why should anyone be moral?
Yet over the millennia, there has been an inexorable trend: the deeper we probe these questions, and the more we learn about the world in which we live, the less reason there is to believe in God.
Start with the origin of the world. Today no honest and informed person can maintain that the universe came into being a few thousand years ago and assumed its current form in six days (to say nothing of absurdities like day and night existing before the sun was created). Nor is there a more abstract role for God to play as the ultimate first cause. This trick simply replaces the puzzle of "Where did the universe come from?" with the equivalent puzzle "Where did God come from?"
What about the fantastic diversity of life and its ubiquitous signs of design? At one time it was understandable to appeal to a divine designer to explain it all. No longer. Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace showed how the complexity of life could arise from the physical process of natural selection among replicators, and then Watson and Crick showed how replication itself could be understood in physical terms. Not withstanding creationist propaganda, the evidence for evolution is overwhelming, including our DNA, the fossil record, the distribution of life on earth, and our own anatomy and physiology (such as the goose bumps that try to fluff up long-vanished fur).
For many people the human soul feels like a divine spark within us. But neuroscience has shown that our intelligence and emotions consist of intricate patterns of activity in the trillions of connections in our brain. True, scholars disagree on how to explain the existence of inner experience - some say it's a pseudo-problem, others believe it's just an open scientific problem, while others think that it shows a limitation of human cognition (like our inability to visualize four-dimensional space-time). But even here, relabeling the problem with the word "soul" adds nothing to our understanding.
People used to think that biology could not explain why we have a conscience. But the human moral sense can be studied like any other mental faculty, such as thirst, color vision, or fear of heights. Evolutionary psychology and cognitive neuroscience are showing how our moral intuitions work, why they evolved, and how they are implemented within the brain.
This leaves morality itself - the benchmarks that allow us to criticize and improve our moral intuitions. It is true that science in the narrow sense cannot show us what is right or wrong. But neither can appeals to God. It's not just that the traditional Judeo-Christian God endorsed genocide, slavery, rape and the death penalty for trivial insults. It's that morality cannot be grounded in divine decree, not even in principle. Why did God deem some acts moral and others immoral? If he had no reason but divine whim, why should we take his commandments seriously? If he did have reasons, then why not appeal to those reasons directly?
Those reasons are not to be found in empirical science, but they are to be found in the nature of rationality as it is exercised by any intelligent social species. The essence of morality is the interchangeability of perspectives
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I know most people won't be bothered to read it, but it's quite interesting for those who can be.
I'll try and get the rest of the article.
If i can be bothered
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posted June 16, 2008 11:49 AM |
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Hehe cute, bible quotes.
Mathew 10 verse 5-14.
5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; 10take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep.
11"Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave. 12As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.
Wonder what happened to the 'shove it down their throat, or kill them'...
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