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Golemcrafter
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posted October 14, 2006 05:53 PM |
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(for level 7 creature) Just an idea! (for level
Swamp Beast / Legendary Beast:
It shouldn't look like as a wyrm or a dragon, because somebody said here, there are enough dragons in the game already. This could be a beast, standing on two foot and its body is covered with mud, brown leafs and trailer (runner?), its eyes are glowing green.
Ability: Swamp-fever or Malarial fever--> all the skills of the attacked crature decreases by 20% (or even more if you guys think that is not enough).
Dwelling name can stay (the Cave fits the Beast very good).
P.S.: I hope that I can post my ideas about creatures even if have have the resolution already. I don't want to make you angry! Just say to me if I have to "stop" . Thanks!
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Gnoll_Mage
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Supreme Hero
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posted October 14, 2006 06:01 PM |
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A nice picture 
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SBlister
Famous Hero
Rakshasa Commander
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posted October 15, 2006 04:06 AM |
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Golemcrafter, feast your eyes on the pic posted by Gnoll Mage. That is exactly how I want my Swamp Wyrm/ Swamp Leviathan to look like. Gnoll Mage, awesome picture!!!
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actionjack
Promising
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posted October 15, 2006 04:16 AM |
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make them drop Totem Axe too!
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phoenixzs
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 15, 2006 11:12 AM |
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Dont be offended but actually I am going to vomit if I see another wyrm/dragon like creature at the 7th level.
And why dont use medusas?They are serpent also.
For a good naga town Gorgon and Basilisk must be there for sure
Wyrm can be good flyer.
Some lizardmen troops can be good but rightnow its a bit overcrowded with that idea.
Personally I would be more radical.Look at the dungeon they have hydras out of no where because just the story line says so.We need more brave solutions for this town.
Maybe too radical but how about a reptilian archer chariot?(Maybe with gorgons)
Or from the gaseous/firey parts of the swamp efreets(I just love the guys)
I just dont want to see another dwarf kinf of line up just now with lizies.Anyway this was my two cents.
Maybe also consider the naga as the 7th level and pure fighter.
Clearly some lizardtroop(preferably a viper originated) must have mesmerize.
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baklava
Honorable
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Mostly harmless
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posted October 15, 2006 11:50 AM |
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And why dont use medusas?They are serpent also.
I don't know, Phoenixz. I just don't know.
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For a good naga town Gorgon and Basilisk must be there for sure
Uhm... Gorgon? You mean medusa-like gorgon or the bull from H3?
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Personally I would be more radical.Look at the dungeon they have hydras out of no where because just the story line says so.We need more brave solutions for this town.
Isn't it brave enough that we put the naga in a swamp?
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Clearly some lizardtroop(preferably a viper originated) must have mesmerize.
.................Why?
I like the wyrm pic. Where's it from? Oblivion?
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phoenixzs
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posted October 15, 2006 12:05 PM |
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And why dont use medusas?They are serpent also.
I don't know, Phoenixz. I just don't know.
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For a good naga town Gorgon and Basilisk must be there for sure
Uhm... Gorgon? You mean medusa-like gorgon or the bull from H3?
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Personally I would be more radical.Look at the dungeon they have hydras out of no where because just the story line says so.We need more brave solutions for this town.
Isn't it brave enough that we put the naga in a swamp?
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Clearly some lizardtroop(preferably a viper originated) must have mesmerize.
.................Why?
I like the wyrm pic. Where's it from? Oblivion?
Medusas fit perfectly in my opinion.Bull like gorgon I mean.
It isn't brave enough since it has been done before in Warcraft.If we stop at this position it would be just be a cheap copy leaning on the success of Warcraft.
We need variety and imagination in creatures not just like shooter-caster-melle type of one race.Maybe we shouldn't just post creatures but post creatures backgrounds and how they are connected with the race.So we can far more easily believe their connection.It has been done ýn the town building contest with very good results.Ofcourse its easy to put some shooter caster fighter lizardmen in a town and expect people to believe them.The hard but the right way is to put some differt monster and connect it with the story line.Simply we should take risks to make something classic.
For example if too many people believe it we can even place a cyclops in the top level.Tyrans of the swamp living in desolated pyramids in the jungle?Sounds out of place?I think not ýf it is advertised correctly.After 3 months no body is going to have a problem with them as being the 7th level.
Medusas witches of the swamp: consaltant of magic for lizardmen.Shooter magicians well respected in lizardmen society.
Putting a giant lizard at the 7th level is no near creativness or bravery.So if we want this town in the game as a classic we must work harder.
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JoonasTo
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Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted October 15, 2006 12:57 PM |
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I must say I would prefer medusas to be priestesses even though they hate nagas(am I right?) so they would be able to cast spells and have stone gaze in melee.
... but as I have said I don't know much of nagas so you can just forget what I have said if you wan't to.
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SBlister
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Rakshasa Commander
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posted October 15, 2006 02:08 PM |
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Medusa was a woman. Gorgons are those snake like creatures. And our 6th level priestess IS THE MEDUSA unit. For all intents and purposes, the priestesses look like the medusae and the only difference is their name. So there you have it. Efreets will not fit in anywhere except in the Inferno. So no chance of seeing them here.
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 15, 2006 02:11 PM |
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No insult intended to anyone, but creativity has dropped. At the moment it seems people are more complaining about what they think SHOULD. We should step out of this stupour and get back on creative track. I know I've been away some time, but the time evaded me.
Before I continue, PEOPLE READ THE MASTERPOST ON PAGE 1 ! That is were all the current ideas are listed. Before you start giving any suggestions or complaints, read this to make sure you are NOT talking about thing that are either already there or aren't the case interely.
Current vote on Deathroll (Pro 2 < neutral 1 > agianst 2). I must ask Baklava to take either side to solve this.
To Crepus; this is not to comlain anyway, but to help some misunderstanding out of the world. The Basilisk will not have an entirely different look. The basic differences will be that Basilisks have a third pair of legs, are less "fat" and their heads have a different shape. Apart from that they realy look the same as we have explained that they have evolved from the same ancestors. To keep or change of vote is up to you, you just missunderstood something.
I like your ideas for the heroes, but I think we should wait a bit before we start thinking of that. Part of the succes of the PS-project was that we took on one aspect at a time.
Also I'm afraid that the Part "of the Abbys" in the level 7 dwelling is definatly out, since it is already used by the Pit Fiend/Lord dwelling.
To Golemcrafter; as far as I'm concerened you can continue to post creature ideas, it gives us fresh ideas. Also if somebody said that there are enough Dragons already, that is an opinion. You can support that or not, that's up to you. But it is not automaticly true. (or maybe I missunderstood you there)
To everybody; The level 7 creature IS NOT a Dragon. It's a monsterous snake-thingy and has as of yet no connection to Dragons whatsoever. ALSO, the level 6, The (High) Priestess, IS a Medusa-like caster. They are in, but not under the Medusa-header. We have not finalized the ideas behind them yet, so don't complain they're not in; they might very well be in.
To Phoenixzs; We ARE NOT copying Blizzard whatsoever. I'm a big fan of Blizzard and our Naga are very different. Blizzard's Naga are an oceanic evil race, bent on cleaning out the world for their own domination. These Naga are basicly High-on-Magic and enslave and corrupt others to do their dirty work. Our Naga on the other hand are the more classic isolationist, neutral swampdwellers. They are a highly religous, quite benevolant and very defensive. As you can see, that is quite a difference.
I must say I like the pic Gnoll_Mage posted. It give a nice immage of the Idea of the Swamp Wyrm. Still I would ditch the head-appendages cause they seem rather useless. If you don't mind me asking, what happened to the original idea of making the wyrm kinda look like the Leviathan I posted on page 2. Not that I mind but I can't remmember where we discarded that idea ? Also I forgot if we decided if the Templars and Preatorians are male or female ?
Also it seems that we're having some problems with comming up with a decent name for the Swamp Wyrm/Leviathan, and the level 6 and 7 dwellings. Come on guys, I know we can come up with something and don't be afraid to post something you think is rather stupid. I do it all the time and often it is realy well liked.
Anyway, I'll give it a shot of creating the description for the (High) Priestess.
Priestess
The worship of Shalassa takes up the largest part of Naga society, everybody therefor acknowledges the vital role of the Priestesses. Most Naga even worship the Priestesses themselves as they are the only link between them and their Deity. The reason why only females can become a Priestess of Shalassa have been lost in the course of time, but the Naga choose to keep it that way. The Priestesses have the most favour of their Patrona, which can be seen by the snake-like appendages that grow on their head resembling hair, and use her magics to preform the sacred rituals. Able casters in and outside the many temples, the Priestesses will grant their help to the great heroes if the realm of Hashima is threatend.
High Priestess
The High Priestesses are the leaders of the Temple of Shallasa. They are play the leading roles in the rituals and have a dirrect link with Shalassa. The High Priestesses elect their own ranks on the indications of their Deity. With their magic powers surpassing the normal Priestesses, the High Priestesses are known to have near-Dragon powers. When a High Priestess protects her allies, anything that wants to harm them can count on disaster striking them. (Not realy happy with that last sentence, but it was the best I could come up with)
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Gnoll_Mage
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posted October 15, 2006 02:42 PM |
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Thanks: the picture is from Guildwars I think. I came across it a little while ago and though it might be `inspiring`...
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vhilhu
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We are NOT schysophren
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posted October 15, 2006 02:45 PM |
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nice thread. anyway, as a big lizardmen fan since homm3(yep. i know. they sucked there. but still, they looked cool. like "i dont care if i am one of the worst archers in the game. i just ruuule anyway.") i dont like lizardmen bio on page 1 as a mutant race created by mages. now dont you dare make them academy mutants. let them be just a race living in deep swamps. i say this because maybe, just MAYBE theres a distinct possibility ubival would listen to such town idea.
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phoenixzs
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posted October 15, 2006 03:07 PM |
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Medusa was a woman. Gorgons are those snake like creatures. And our 6th level priestess IS THE MEDUSA unit. For all intents and purposes, the priestesses look like the medusae and the only difference is their name. So there you have it. Efreets will not fit in anywhere except in the Inferno. So no chance of seeing them here.
Then why arent we naming it simply the medusa?Its a classic.
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Efreets will not fit in anywhere except in the Inferno. So no chance of seeing them here.
Okay maybe they fit maybe not.I was just giving an exampl but thats the kind of altitude I don't want to see.Because rejecting some idea at first look without caring for the background wouldnt work.
At first The question "how?"must come.And Then should the answer come.
Still the last level looks like not fitting well by the way.Looks like another huge serpent to me.
Perhaps chimera(three headed guy) could be used as the last level?But I would still prefer cyclopses or nagas.
This town is resembling the Warlords Serpent Castle rightnow which is not good.
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 15, 2006 03:51 PM |
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I dont like lizardmen bio on page 1 as a mutant race created by mages. now dont you dare make them academy mutants. let them be just a race living in deep swamps. i say this because maybe, just MAYBE theres a distinct possibility ubival would listen to such town idea.
I agree with you that making the Lizardmen a creation of the wizards was a too easy choice. And I must admit that I was never such a big fan of the idea anyway. Still Nival is already reviewing our previous PS-project, so the chance might not be as small as you think.
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Still the last level looks like not fitting well by the way.Looks like another huge serpent to me.
Perhaps chimera(three headed guy) could be used as the last level?But I would still prefer cyclopses or nagas.
This town is resembling the Warlords Serpent Castle rightnow which is not good.
Having the level 7 be a huge serpent is exactly the point. Also having the level 7 also be a Naga is a bit overkill, we already have 3 Levels with Naga and that's quite enough. There is no link between chimeara and swamps or Naga. The Chimeara was a plains-dwelling creature and a particularly violent and firebreating one. Having the Chimeara as a neutral makes more sense to me.
Are you referring to the Ssrathi ? Because in that case you are wrong again. Our Naga resemble the Ssrathi perhaps a bit in possible architecture, but in not much more. The Ssrathi are jungle-dwellers. They are a bipedalrace that has "evolved" from snakes, that is why they are called snake-men. They are gold-hoarding, dinosaur-taming fire and sunworshippers. Once again these creatures have a slight resemblance to our Naga at best.
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Dragonbreath
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Me like dragons!
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posted October 15, 2006 05:02 PM |
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Doesn't the story say that the Nagas worshiped a snake god and high preistesses got snake hair and became medusae, then some Naga that worshiped Shalassa freed the lizardmen slaves and deafeated the preistesses? If so, that would mean medusae and naga hate each other, and therefor putting them into this town makes no sense whatsoever. Therefor, I think you should change the priestesses' hair. As for the deathroll thing, if sentinels have it but grand ones don't, what's the point of upgrading them?! I want the grand sentinels to have deathroll. I aso think that the lvl 7 should be some sort of spellcasting Leviathan-like creature. The slither ability and hydromancy is great!
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vhilhu
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We are NOT schysophren
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posted October 15, 2006 05:11 PM |
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hydromancy
whats that? telling the future by looking into water???
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Dragonbreath
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Me like dragons!
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posted October 15, 2006 05:12 PM |
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No, it's the nagas' racial skill. Look at previous posts.
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War-overlord
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Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 15, 2006 05:13 PM |
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Doesn't the story say that the Nagas worshiped a snake god and high preistesses got snake hair and became medusae, then some Naga that worshiped Shalassa freed the lizardmen slaves and deafeated the preistesses? If so, that would mean medusae and naga hate each other, and therefor putting them into this town makes no sense whatsoever. Therefor, I think you should change the priestesses' hair. As for the deathroll thing, if sentinels have it but grand ones don't, what's the point of upgrading them?! I want the grand sentinels to have deathroll. I aso think that the lvl 7 should be some sort of spellcasting Leviathan-like creature. The slither ability and hydromancy is great!
That was only a concept story. It is not encorporated in this town. It might be in the future but as of yet there is no connection. Hydromancy is also a concept and it is not yet encorporated.
Current votes (pro 3 <neutral 1> against 2) Pros are in the lead again. (I'm a pro myself so, jay !)
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vhilhu
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We are NOT schysophren
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posted October 15, 2006 05:21 PM |
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im against deathroll. that MISSED! stuff on ghosts got me mad enough. if it would be chanceless so that sentinels ALWAYS evade the first ranged attack, i would be pro.
btw why not sentinel -> basilisk sentinel?
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Dragonbreath
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Me like dragons!
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posted October 15, 2006 05:24 PM |
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Oh. I still picture medusae as evil and nagas as neutral/good. What sort of leviathan-like spellcaster would you like to be as lvl 7? Perhaps Levithan(tidal wave as ability maybe? That's sorta like magic)-> Divine Laviathan(spellcaster)?
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