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posted June 06, 2007 09:19 PM |
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Well unfortunately the guy I remember giving it to me can't remember a thing about it  . He did give me another one though, see below...
Firstly, a few no-questions-needed `brainteasers` to warm you up:
A man pushes his car to a hotel, and immediately knows he is bankrupt. How?
Alice and Bob are lying dead on the floor, with a smashed bowl and a pool of water nearby. What happened?
Logic puzzle - name the engineer
A train goes between Chicago and New York. The brakeman, the fireman and the engineer are named Smith, Jones and Brown. (The names are not necessarily in order). There are also three passengers named Mr. Smith, Mr. Jones and Mr. Brown. Mr. Brown lives in New York. The brakeman lives halfway between New York and Chicago. Mr. Jones earns exactly $20,000 per year. Smith beat the fireman at their last game of golf. The passenger who lives in Chicago has the same name as the brakeman. The brakeman's next door neighbour is a passenger on this train and earns exactly three times as much as the brakeman. What is the name of the engineer?
And now for the proper riddle:
A man, Ben, is sitting on a bench in a railway station and picks up a copy of the day's newspaper. The headline is, "Death at sea". Apparently someone on a boat to Norway from the UK had jumped off the side (call this person Ashley). Although the newspaper says the person who died committed suicide, Ben strongly suspects it was a murder (call the murderer Charlie). How does he know?
So Charlie murdered Ashley, how does Ben know?
Small hint if you want it (look at the url it links to)
Hope this isn't too easy or too hard 
Skip down to 6th post for summary of everything so far
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posted June 06, 2007 09:36 PM |
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A man pushes his car to a hotel, and immediately knows he is bankrupt. How?
He is playing Monopoly. 
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Alice and Bob are lying dead on the floor, with a smashed bowl and a pool of water nearby. What happened?
Are Alice and Bob somebody's pet fish?
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A man is sitting on a bench in a railway station and picks up a copy of the day's newspaper. The headline is, "Death at sea". Apparently someone on a boat to Norway from the UK had jumped off the side. Although the newspaper says the person who died committed suicide, the man strongly suspects it was a murder. How does he know?
Did he know the man?
Is the occupation of either man relevant?
Are there any pictures in the newspaper?
Is the destination relevant? Or the starting location?
Has the man been on the same ferry himself previously?
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posted June 06, 2007 09:39 PM |
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Right on both of those Alc! Well done 
Answers will be "no", "yes", "irrelevant", or "redefine the question"
Did he know the man? Redefine the question, "know" is too vague
Is the occupation of either man relevant? Yes
Are there any pictures in the newspaper? Irrelevant
Is the destination relevant? Or the starting location? No
Has the man been on the same ferry himself previously? Irrelevant
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posted June 06, 2007 09:59 PM |
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Were the two men relatives?
Did they work together (as collegues)?
Were they friends?
Did the surviving man work in the police?
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posted June 06, 2007 10:08 PM |
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Were the two men relatives? Irrelevant
Did they work together (as collegues)? Irrelevant
Were they friends? Irrelevant
Did the surviving man work in the police? No
Hmm, seems to be too many irrelevants, maybe I'd better try to use yes and no more often...
In which case, I doubt they were friends or relatives; they certainly don't need to be for the puzzle to work, and if they did know each other then the puzzle would make less sense.
Let's give these people names. See first post.
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posted June 06, 2007 10:14 PM |
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Say hello to Bob the newspaper-reader, Charlie the murderer and Ashley the person who died. Hopefully this might make it a little easier to refer to them...
Note: Ashley and Charlie are names purposefully chosen to be androgynous
Summary:
Is the occupation of any of the characters relevant? Yes
Are there any pictures in the newspaper? Irrelevant
Is the destination relevant? Or the starting location? No
Has Ben been on the same ferry himself previously? Irrelevant
Was Ben related to Charlie or Ashley? Irrelevant
Did Ben work with either Charlie or Ashley (as collegues)? Irrelevant
Were any of them friends with each other? Irrelevant
Did Ben work in the police? No
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posted June 06, 2007 10:59 PM |
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lets try this...
was ashley physically unable to jump off?
was charlie related to ashley?
if yes to any of the above, did ben know?
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posted June 06, 2007 11:39 PM |
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was ashley physically unable to jump off? No, she was capable
was charlie related to ashley? Yes
if yes to any of the above, did ben know? Yes (he works this out from the article)
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posted June 07, 2007 12:27 AM |
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hmmm...
were charlie and ashley on vacation (instead of working on the boat)?
if yes, did ben know?
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posted June 07, 2007 12:33 AM |
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Were they married?
Were they on their Honeymoon?
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posted June 07, 2007 10:02 AM |
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Quote:
Logic puzzle - name the engineer
A train goes between Chicago and New York. The brakeman, the fireman and the engineer are named Smith, Jones and Brown. (The names are not necessarily in order). There are also three passengers named Mr. Smith, Mr. Jones and Mr. Brown. Mr. Brown lives in New York. The brakeman lives halfway between New York and Chicago. Mr. Jones earns exactly $20,000 per year. Smith beat the fireman at their last game of golf. The passenger who lives in Chicago has the same name as the brakeman. The brakeman's next door neighbor is a passenger on this train and earns exactly three times as much as the brakeman. What is the name of the engineer?
Here's what I got:
Mr Brown lives in New York
Mr Jones lives halfway between New York and Chicago
Mr Smith lives in Chicago
The brakeman lives halfway between New York and Chicago and his name is Smith
The fireman lives in Chicago
The engineer lives in New York
So, the engineer could be either Jones or Brown, but I guess there aren't two Mr. Browns in New York, so I'll go for Jones
And a new question for the riddle:
Was Charlie angry at Ashley and wanted to kill her?
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posted June 09, 2007 05:38 PM |
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were charlie and ashley on vacation (instead of working on the boat)? Yes
if yes, did ben know? Yes
Were they married? Yes
Were they on their Honeymoon? No
Was Charlie angry at Ashley and wanted to kill her? No, Yes respectively
Charlie is male, Ashley female
(Apologies for the short delay in answering...)
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posted June 09, 2007 05:56 PM |
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ZombieLord - sorry, wrong answer! I really like this puzzle - I wonder if anyone can come up with the right solution? I'd be very impressed, since I couldn't get it when I was given it, and I thought about it for ages.... But I have come across someone who was able to answer it.
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posted June 10, 2007 11:34 AM |
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Quote:
A train goes between Chicago and New York. The brakeman, the fireman and the engineer are named Smith, Jones and Brown. (The names are not necessarily in order). There are also three passengers named Mr. Smith, Mr. Jones and Mr. Brown. Mr. Brown lives in New York. The brakeman lives halfway between New York and Chicago. Mr. Jones earns exactly $20,000 per year. Smith beat the fireman at their last game of golf. The passenger who lives in Chicago has the same name as the brakeman. The brakeman's next door neighbor is a passenger on this train and earns exactly three times as much as the brakeman. What is the name of the engineer?
I got it. I won't give the answer in case anybody else is still trying but here's a big hint
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posted June 10, 2007 06:19 PM |
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i think i got it...
the married couple was on vacation and charlie planned all along to kill ashley in some way ...ben knew that because he was involved in planning the cruise for them ...and charlie only made plans for one person returning home
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posted June 10, 2007 06:37 PM |
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Nice work to the both of you!
You are right Lith that Ben planned it for them - more specifically, he sold the tickets to Charlie - who bought a return for himself, and a single for his wife. Ben knew from the surname given in the article that the person who died was the wife of the customer who bought this odd pair of tickets, and hence suspected murder.
And FoG has noticed one of the more clever parts of the logic question!
Answer to the Bob and Alice one (we really need a better way of hiding hints on this forum).
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posted June 10, 2007 07:19 PM |
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On some forums you can put something in your message as "hidden" and when you click on it, you can see the content... Maybe Val could do something like that...
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posted June 10, 2007 11:37 PM |
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I've IMed Val suggesting it.
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posted June 11, 2007 10:52 PM |
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Here's another for you guys:
"Chris meets Steve in a hotel bar. After a heated discussion on a specific topic, they leave the bar together, heading upstairs. Halfway up the stairs, Steve clutches his chest, then punches Chris in the face."
What was Steve's occupation? Why did he punch Chris?
Edit: hidden text can now be created.
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posted June 19, 2007 10:02 PM |
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since nobody else took this one...
did Steve have a bad heart?
if yes, did chris know it?
did they meet at the bar for the first time?
was one of them staying at the hotel?
was one of them working at the hotel?
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