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VokialBG
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posted June 30, 2008 11:43 PM |
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Yeah but I mean that God, Nature, etc... (doesn't matter) created man and woman, not man and man, or woman and woman for some reason. Maybe I used wrong word, the right one is not "unnormal" but "unnatural". And I don't think to continue this long and boring discussion anyway 
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posted July 01, 2008 12:27 AM |
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I just wonder, back in the old days in greece...... we all know that females in general got a higher resistance vs diseases, so when a girl was born she would be alot more likely to live than the boy.
However, today what are the chances of a boy who ends up loving the same gender to die to diseases at a young age compared to a boy who falls in love with the opposite gender?
And at any point, if the bible condems people who loves the same gender............. i am just curius about why people like:
*Ruth and Naomi
*David and Jonathan
*Daniel and Ashpenaz
Who obiusly are in love with each others/got a relationship are mentioned? As perfect as GOD is, why would GOD want to mention the people GOD condems in GOD holy book? Curiuz lulz 
But i belive every single human is born equal, what the human does and acts(destructive and constructive wise) is what defines how good the person is.
A rapist or a murderer does not deserve to live, simply because of hwat they do. However they was equal to everybody else before they started to do their stuff.
Who you love, what you look like, etc. What does it matter? Your actions is way more importent.
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posted July 01, 2008 12:50 AM |
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Down syndrome is one thing homosexuality is another. Why the natural selection is destroying people with the down syndrome, with the Klinefelter's syndrome or with the Turner syndrome, but it isn't destroying heterosexual mans or womans? Because the syndromes are in the genetic code, the homosexuality is not.
Green eyes are in the genetic code, and natural selection is not destroying green eyed people. So much for that idea.
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The down syndrome is mistake in the chromosomes, the gays have same chromosomes and genetic material as a normal human
Down syndrome is due to polyploidy. I'm not sure what you think that has to do with the genetic component (or lack thereof) of homosexuality.
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No one can be born as gay, but he can become one.
Can you be born heterosexual? Hmm...
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posted July 01, 2008 01:49 AM |
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No one can be born as gay, but he can become one.
Can you be born heterosexual? Hmm...
I think i will power up this argument:
If you must chose to be gay, you must chose to be hetrosexual?
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posted July 01, 2008 05:42 AM |
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Honestly, I could care less if someone calls me gay. Maybe when I was in 5th, maybe 6th grade? But now I could care less. I'm not gay, but I don't have a problem with people who are gay. It doesn't bother me. My great cousin Kathy, on my dad's side of the family is gay. Her and her wife June got married a few years back. No one in our family minds, we're all happy for them. When I get called gay, I roll with it. I say some funny "gay" thing everyone laughs and no one thinks anything of it. Personally I don't understand homophobes. Maybe When something stupid happens or someone does something dumb, we should say, "That's homophobic.". 
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posted July 01, 2008 10:30 AM |
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Green eyes are in the genetic code, and natural selection is not destroying green eyed people. So much for that idea.
Hehe not really it isn't destroying green eyed people, because they are not harmful (Down syndrome is) for you and your species. You probably don't know what natural selection is if can say something so pathetic.
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Down syndrome is due to polyploidy. I'm not sure what you think that has to do with the genetic component (or lack thereof) of homosexuality.
Simply, there is no "gay gane"
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Can you be born heterosexual?
Yes, because this is the only natural human sexuality, we are not snails dude
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posted July 01, 2008 11:35 AM |
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Polyploidism (or however it's called in english) isn't always a bad thing. I recall 47% plants are polyploids. potatos for example are 6n.Dunno how it's called in english afain, amfihexaploids?  Well, I know how it's called in latin, so it should be something like that.
VokialBG: Trisomy (again, dunno if such word exist in english) is no "gene" and can't be compared to homosexual behavior. The down syndrome is caused by trisomy of the 21 pair of chromosomes. "gay syndrome" isn't correlated with any of those mutations.
About "you are born gay", I strongly disagree. Check my post in the "Bi people" thread. Perhaps some people, maybe even most, are born gay. I know a certain person who has become gay. He's my friend for a long time and don't try to convince me it was he was a suppressed gay because he was not.
check yourself
About the word: I find it really funny. I mean, it sounds really.. gay. I like the sound of it
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posted July 01, 2008 11:43 AM |
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Can you be born heterosexual?
Yes, because this is the only natural human sexuality, we are not snails dude
I do not think you are correct sire........... And WHY is it correct? I know you can snow for pleasure, so when the world gets tolerant enogh maybe even 2 100% hetrofile menn will start becoming sex buddies, i weird thought eh?
The point is, there are 1 law in nature that actually comfirms homosexuality to the full point. The law of natural disorder.
Since this law exist, stuff like minoretyes is bound to happen. And what happens must be accepted, so long it does not hurt anybody or anything to some great degree. And if you christian, look at the names above. And then go into your evil textbook of fanatisme, and read the storyes(preffered in hebrew).
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posted July 01, 2008 11:43 AM |
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About the word: I find it really funny. I mean, it sounds really.. gay. I like the sound of it
Might be because it also means :
1 a: happily excited : merry <in a gay mood> b: keenly alive and exuberant : having or inducing high spirits <a bird's gay spring song>
2 a: bright, lively <gay sunny meadows> b: brilliant in color
But to think about it, I don't think it is that offensive to most people anymore. You can hear it all the time, and most of the time it is just a joke made by a friend to another. Calling one a fag is probably the offensive one... because you get the impression one dislikes you.
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posted July 01, 2008 02:39 PM |
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Why do men hate being called gay?
I have an answer to that.
I read a book which describes this (that book is mainly a parenting book, which I secretly took from my parents, read in one night, and put it back in the same exact place), but I will try to simplify it. I don't know whether everyone can agree to this or not, but I believe it's true. Remember that I can't just look at the book, so I'm writing what I remember.
The man, especially as a teenager, always has to prove his masculinity.
It's like the story of Don Juan, a man who walks on the streets in a city in Italy (or it was Spain?) and sees a young woman on a balcony. He immediately pulls out his mandolin and sings a serenade to her. In a short time, he sleeps with her, get out of her bed, puts his clothes, and goes back to the street, telling himself that this was easy, and if he manages to do that one more time, he is a real man. Don Juan does that again and again, in different variations, but he never really stops. He's always sure that the next experience will prove what he's worth.
This is proverb to the life of a male teenager, who does many things to show his masculinity, either with himself or in front of other people. In front of other people, the teenager can show his muscles, can fight with others, can do many stupid things, like grouping with some other boys and everyone shows his genitals. Many think that this happens to impress the girls, but this is mostly to come out a man, mainly among the guys.
It's not a wonder that among the teenagers (less than among adults), being called 'gay' is a very insulting thing, and a very common swear - it goes again the image of the masculinity that the teenager is trying to build for himself. It says he's feminine. But not only being called has such an effect. When a woman tells a man that he has a small dick, or when a teenagers comes out weak and pathetic, all these are very hard things for the man.
That's the answer. In my opinion. 
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posted July 01, 2008 04:36 PM |
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Hehe not really it isn't destroying green eyed people, because they are not harmful (Down syndrome is) for you and your species. You probably don't know what natural selection is if can say something so pathetic.
You clearly missed my entire point. Let me help you out a bit. You said:
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Down syndrome is one thing homosexuality is another. Why the natural selection is destroying people with the down syndrome, with the Klinefelter's syndrome or with the Turner syndrome, but it isn't destroying heterosexual mans or womans? Because the syndromes are in the genetic code, the homosexuality is not.
You asked why natural selection "destroys" people with Down Syndrome or other polyploidy genotypes but doesn't destroy heterosexuals. Then you answered your own question, citing the fact that such syndromes are genetic, whereas homosexuality is not. This is a failed bit of logic for a large number of reasons. Here are a few of them:
(1) Natural selection doesn't "destroy" anything. Maybe it's just your poor ability to communicate in English, but if that's your understanding of evolution and natural selection, I would suggest that you go back and study it some more.
(2) More importantly, just because something has a genetic component, does not mean that it's bad. Your logic, as it is written above, goes something like this. (A) People with Down Syndrome die prematurely (well, literally, natural selection "destroys" them, whatever that means). (B) Down Sydnrome is genetic. (C) Heterosexuality is not selected against by evolution. Therefore (D) homosexuality is not genetic. Aside from the fact that your train of thought confuses homosexuality and heterosexuality, it also implies that anything genetic is selected against by natural selection, which is clearly not the case. Green eyes are genetic, and natural selection does not "destroy" people with green eyes. Therefore, just because natural selection does not "destroy" heterosexuals (or homosexuals), that does not mean sexuality is not genetic. [For the record, Down Syndrome patients actually have a fairly decent lifespan, well beyond the normal reproductive age - but it is also much harder for them to reproduce, for probably as many sociological reasons as genetic ones. So the word "destroy" is a particularly poor word choice here.]
(3) Your logical statement is a false dilemma fallacy, as it assumes that homo/heterosexuality is either completely genetic or completely environmental; in fact, it could have aspects of both, but your analogy does not leave room for such an option. This is black and white thinking that is not only logically flawed, but also demonstrates an ignorance of biology and sociology.
(4) Furthermore, your statement "simply, there is no 'gay gene'" is also an oversimplifcation bordering on fallacious because it assumes that a single trait is mapped to a single gene. Correct: most likely there is no "gay gene". But, that doesn't mean that homosexuality does not have genetic components, though that doesn't stop you from using a strawman argument to try to show otherwise, does it?
We can use your Down syndrome example to show how (3) and (4) work. Clearly, Down Syndrome is a developmental problem that results from chromosomal abnormalities. But is it genetic? Down Syndrome is a trisomy, which means that there are 3 copies of all or parts of a chromosome (in this case, chromosome 21), where there should normally be 2. This results in overexpression of genes on that chromosome, and thus the syndrome. There are lots of ways this can happen; one way is a meiotic nondisjunction, which means that during meiosis, part of chromosome 21 underwent a nondisjunction (i.e, the chromosome 21 pair didn't separate properly during cell division), leaving a daughter cell with more than the correct number of chromosomes. The critical question is: what causes the nondisjunction? One might be able to convince oneself that the nondisjunction could be environmental - either some environmental toxin, or plain old chemical chance, caused the chromosomes to split improperly. In such a case, the nondisjunction would not be a genetically inherited trait at all. One the other hand, given that meiosis is an extremely complicated process with numerous steps, each of which is strictly regulated by the cells, one could also argue that the nondisjuction occurred because of a pre-existing condition (cell signalling problem, protein deficiency, or whatever). In which case, the nondisjunction COULD be genetic. I.e., there might be some people who are more prone to nondisjuctions than others because of their genetic makeup. (A good analogy, by the way, is cancer - cancer can be nongenetic and due only to environment, but there are also genetic traits that make people more prone to cancer, meaning it can have a genetic counterpart as well.) The point is that not only do you oversimplify sexuality as a false dilemma, but you also oversimplify polyploidy as a false dilemma, a double fallacy all in one little post. Either one could have genetic AND environmental factors. And if you just consider the genetic factors alone, there are hundreds and hundreds of possible genes involved. Even if you assume that nondisjunction is a completely genetic trait, which it probably isn't, there's not a "nondisjunction gene" any more than there is a "homosexuality gene" or a "cancer gene". There's probably hundreds of possible genes involved. The degree to which you are oversimplifying and generalizing the problem is downright astounding.
Sexuality is a human attribute that is controlled and influenced by an uncountable number of biologically active molecules - hormones, proteins, etc. - in the human body. A problem with any one of them could causea whole range of phenotypic changes, and unravelling this complicated relationship is downright impossible. The same could be said for cancer, and researchers have spend decades upon decades trying to deconvolute the tangled array of genetic and environmental factors that give rise to all sorts of cancers, and we still don't understand the condition very well. Is sexuality so different? I just love it how people come in and boil vastly complicated systems down into overly simplistic statements like "homosexuality is not genetic - there's no 'gay' gene". Wow, that's genius. Is it thus no surprise that no serious scientist has been able to answer this question with such a simple answer? Sure, there are probably environmental aspects to homosexuality. AND heterosexuality. But insofar as hormones are ultimately regulated by genes, and genes are regulated by genetics, AND sexuality is regulated by hormones, it would seem to be incredibly unlikely that homosexuality doesn't have - in some portion of homosexuals - a genetically inhereted aspect to it.
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Can you be born heterosexual?
Yes, because this is the only natural human sexuality, we are not snails dude
How can heterosexuality be genetic and homosexuality isn't? Just because something isn't "natural" doesn't mean it can't be genetic. And just because something is "natural" also doesn't mean it IS genetic. Another double logical flaw in one sentence.
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posted July 01, 2008 07:36 PM |
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Uh try to post in brief, I'm to lazy to read this, anyway here we have a proverb for guys/girls like you "Edno si baba znae, endo si baba bae" - its english equivalent is "always harping on the same string", we can't reach consent with you, thats all.
Anyway I dont have the time to post something kilometers long for this.
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How can heterosexuality be genetic and homosexuality isn't?
Because its unnormal, and its not in the ganes no one can find "gay gane" or something similar, everyone born as heterosexual. Homosexuality is kind of confusion.
Also I as see in your poin you really don't know what natural selection is, probably you read some books for homosexuality written by gays? Don't trust them they are not neutral...
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posted July 01, 2008 07:58 PM |
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Uh try to post in brief, I'm to lazy to read this, anyway here we have a proverb for guys/girls like you "Edno si baba znae, endo si baba bae" - its english equivalent is "always harping on the same string", we can't reach consent with you, thats all.
I'm sorry you're too lazy to actually read my post and try to learn why your argument is completely wrong, both scientifically and logically. Maybe if you're too lazy to try to try to understand the gaping holes in your position, you shouldn't be posting it in the first place, hmm?
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Because its unnormal, and its not in the ganes no one can find "gay gane" or something similar, everyone born as heterosexual. Homosexuality is kind of confusion.
Another circular argument. So the only things that are genetically inherited traits are those that are "normal"? I've already explained to you the problem with a "gay gene" argument, but since you're too lazy to read it, I'm too lazy to write it again.
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probably you read some books for homosexuality written y gays?
Uh... no.
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posted July 01, 2008 07:59 PM |
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Because its unnormal, and its not in the ganes no one can find "gay gane" or something similar, everyone born as heterosexual. Homosexuality is kind of confusion.
So what is next to claim Hitler?
You religius people are seriusly starting to piss me. If it is a confusion, why is entire 5% of earths population confused? The number goes against all laws of logic if it is a confusion, and why does not therapy of any kind of any kind not work when it is a confusion?
Sure, you can claim whatever you want.
However being in love with the same gender is natural, if you must chose to what gender to fall in love with................. then we all per definition are all bisexual. Society would have collapsed at some previus point if this is true.
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posted July 01, 2008 08:07 PM |
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Yay! No comment 
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posted July 01, 2008 08:47 PM |
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aren't you guys a bit tired of the "gay problem" too?
I am.. I mean, people keep discussing it. But what's to discuss?
That being gay is not natural? umm.. no. If you want to refer to nature so badly, try elephants. They live in male and female groups. The bulls (male elephants) are interested in females only during the mating season, or during the musth (a kind of periodic state bulls enter). Except that time, they spend a lot of time being "sexually interested" in other male elephants, doing things that normally precede intercourse, i.e. putting one's trunk into other elephant's mouth. They are more gay than straight!
Or dolphins, which spend a lot of time in "gay pairs" and are interested in females only in the mating season. No joke, gay animals.
Or monkeys. Alpha males rape other males to show their dominance. Yes, it includes the gay intercourse.
Unnatural? Give me a break.
So what's the problem? That it looks/seems foul? No one forces to watch. I am not gay and I'm not interested in the gay community's problems. I'm just tired of the gay and anti-gay propaganda. I wish people would just shut up and drop the stupid issue. It's hardly an issue anyway. If you're not gay, why do you even care..
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posted July 01, 2008 09:00 PM |
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aren't you guys a bit tired of the "gay problem" too?
I am.. I mean, people keep discussing it. But what's to discuss?
That being gay is not natural? umm.. no. If you want to refer to nature so badly, try elephants. They live in male and female groups. The bulls (male elephants) are interested in females only during the mating season, or during the musth (a kind of periodic state bulls enter). Except that time, they spend a lot of time being "sexually interested" in other male elephants, doing things that normally precede intercourse, i.e. putting one's trunk into other elephant's mouth. They are more gay than straight!
Or dolphins, which spend a lot of time in "gay pairs" and are interested in females only in the mating season. No joke, gay animals.
Or monkeys. Alpha males rape other males to show their dominance. Yes, it includes the gay intercourse.
Unnatural? Give me a break.
So what's the problem? That it looks/seems foul? No one forces to watch. I am not gay and I'm not interested in the gay community's problems. I'm just tired of the gay and anti-gay propaganda. I wish people would just shut up and drop the stupid issue. It's hardly an issue anyway. If you're not gay, why do you even care..
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posted July 01, 2008 09:07 PM |
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Because its unnormal, and its not in the ganes no one can find "gay gane" or something similar, everyone born as heterosexual. Homosexuality is kind of confusion.
Also I as see in your poin you really don't know what natural selection is, probably you read some books for homosexuality written by gays? Don't trust them they are not neutral...
Ok now I just really want to know first off how the hell did you become a Mod and second I' m shocked that with the amount of dumb assery that comes out of your mouth you have not been drug behind a truck.
Oh and I second Cor on if your too damn lazy to even read his thread and gain some knowledge of something (which is clear that you have none) then don't bother posting. **can anyone say target practice?***
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posted July 01, 2008 09:11 PM |
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Yay! No comment
I bet not and thank God!!
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posted July 01, 2008 11:05 PM |
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I can second Doomforge, he summed it pretty well.
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