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posted October 09, 2008 06:57 PM |
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That's the product of wealthy societies 
Spoiled brats that don't know what is important.
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posted October 09, 2008 07:25 PM |
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European and American people who want to do suicide should be taken to Africa and show how people struggle there, and only then look if their life is really "bad".
It is because they have different desires. Let's just say that "wealthy" people are satisfied a lot harder.
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posted October 09, 2008 07:27 PM |
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Let's just say that "wealthy" people are satisfied a lot harder.
How do you satisfy wealthy people?You know what wealth leads to 
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posted October 09, 2008 07:33 PM |
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ge2J2lNusJs
hmmm interesting.
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posted October 09, 2008 07:42 PM |
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Interesting, yes.But would now be the best time to consider a new currency?
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posted October 09, 2008 08:03 PM |
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by the way guys.
I'm not very good in economics since it bores me to death, but I can't help but to wonder.. how will the economic failure of American exchange influence the rest of the world.. particularly Europe.. specifically, the poorer countries, like Poland
Can anyone throw an expertise?
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posted October 09, 2008 08:09 PM |
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Well, the rich countries are trying to save their banks.I don't know about poor countries though, maybe the EU bank saving package will save euro from totall fall.But eurozone hasn't been affected largely, unlike Russia and Japan who both had major falls in market.
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posted October 09, 2008 11:00 PM |
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Nope. You see, rich people have more ambitions, it's that humans always want MORE. This "desire" is hard to satisfy. A guy that has no money doesn't have the same desires. Imagine a game programmer and a poor guy. The programmer is always frustrated by the fact that he can't get the thing done. The poor guy doesn't even have that desire, let's say he is happy with just playing chess.
That's not what I'm referring to. And the poor guy may have just as big desires as those of the programmer - different desires, but also to have more. But that's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to the fact that the rich person's money can remove many sources of unhappiness - for instance, health problems or living in an undesirable neighborhood. Perhaps it's more accurate to say that the rich are less unhappy, rather than happier.
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It is because they have different desires. Let's just say that "wealthy" people are satisfied a lot harder.
Not really.
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Spoiled brats that don't know what is important.
Hey, let them suicide. Natural selection is a wonderful thing.
And, really, stop with the conspiracy theories. I suppose you think that 9/11 was an inside job?
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posted October 09, 2008 11:20 PM |
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I'm referring to the fact that the rich person's money can remove many sources of unhappiness
And create others...
(such as with the programmer's thing, you know, a poor person doesn't even want to make programs thus can't be frustrated, the programmer since he has it wants...)
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posted October 10, 2008 12:58 AM |
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I would say that sources of unhappiness can be grouped into two groups: situation-dependent and situation-independent. For example, the problem of fixing problems in programs in a situation-dependent one, while getting cancer is a situation-independent one. While I wouldn't even say that rich and poor people are equally happy (just from looking at my family and other people's families), I would definitely say that rich people are better equipped to handle situation-independent unhappiness, such as disease.
And I would go on further to say that rich people have less situation-dependent unhappiness - that is, starvation never afflicts them, and starvation is certainly a greater source of unhappiness that not having a fully error-free program.
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posted October 10, 2008 10:23 AM |
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You don't see starving kids in Africa committing suicide but that doesn't mean that they are overjoyed or have a better quality of life than a resident of Tokyo.
It doesn't mean the reverse either. Mental depression is different than e.g: poverty or poorness. A psycho that has much money but is never happy because he's a psycho and always thinks about bad things has a bad quality of life, after all he's depressed etc... Probably starving children, while being poor, wouldn't necessarily be depressed, even if they suffer from hunger.
Who are you to say how they should feel like or what's quality in their life?
Of course not all suicides are signs of depression but you get the idea.
Well suicide rates aren't a measure of happiness throughout their life, that's what I was saying.
The japanese people are more likely to commit suicide over one event but this doesn't mean that their whole lives have been on the brink of suicide.
Just because starving people don't commit suicide doesn't mean that they just looove being poor and having to scrounge up grains of rice just to keep them alive every day.
Besides the argument is that money can't increase quality of life or something.
In 99% of cases having more money isn't going to decrease quality of life.
Your psycho example was just ludicrous. A psycho is depressed all the time because all he thinks about is bad things?
That's just wrong.
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Spoiled brats that don't know what is important.
Hey, let them suicide. Natural selection is a wonderful thing.
Hey I love natural selection I'm just stating the cause.
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And, really, stop with the conspiracy theories. I suppose you think that 9/11 was an inside job?
I am not going to scream the Twin Towers were stacked with explosives or such, but I will state a few FACTS for you:
FACT: There were people who tried to make money off the following decline in value of airplain assets. It is a FACT there were people who had FOREKNOWLEDGE.
FACT: (according to Mike Ruppert, former CIA-Agent) there are close connections and job exchanges between Wallstreet bankers and elites, and the CIA.
FACT: There were no weapons of mass destruction found dispite their intelligence supposedly knew for certain Saddam had them. Given this was stated as one of the biggest reasons to invade Iraq, I would imagine there would be some serious political consequences in the realization that this war is Illegal. I don't know about you, but I consider this something major to take into consideration. Bush JOKED about there not being any weapons of mass destruction. What the hell?
FACT: During the attacks, Norad was conducting multiple excersizes and as such couldn't act accordingly to intercept the plains. Those excersizes happened to be ordered by DICk CHENEY.
FACT: Multiple institutiosn made big fat profits over the war, including banks that borrowed the money to the government (you), and the Carlyle Group through United Defense. Bush & CO made profits through this war whilst putting your country into further debt to your bank. Other big companies as well saw opportunity to rebuild Iraq.
FACT: People who are afraid are easier to control. Since 9/11 there has been a continues spam of warnings about terror threat on your media.
FACT: (according to Mike Ruppert, former CIA agent) the CIA deals drugs through the united states, from opium made in AFGHANISTAN. This came to a halt when the Taliban burned down the crops, untill the NATO started to drive them out again.
FACT: WTC7 was taken down by controlled demolition.
I am just stating a few facts here, facts which you can look up for yourself.
I don't know about you, but when I take into consideration these facts, and take a look at the following two stories:
A) USA counterattacked an attack by muslim fanatics which it never saw coming / through sheer misfortune, and decides to bring peace, freedom and democracy to Iraq to make the world a better place.
B) 9/11 was at the very least allowed to happen because it benefitted a small group of powerfull men who used the disaster to benefit themselves even more.
I am tempted to think story B sounds a lot more logical to me. And you don't need to be a genius or a crazy conspiracist to see this.
Let me ask you something: What reason do you have to BELIEVE your government? Is there any indisputable proof they provided that their story is true?
By the way, this isn't really offtopic since this does involve economics
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Perhaps I'm totally biased by the media and not in control of my life at all because I believe all the lies the media tells me but believing that 9/11 was by any means planned by officals or accepted whatsoever is bull****. It simply is. You facts do not prove much. Well of course people made money with 9/11 but that doesn't mean you'd have to have foreknowledge oO.
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A) USA counterattacked an attack by muslim fanatics which it never saw coming / through sheer misfortune, and decides to bring peace, freedom and democracy to Iraq to make the world a better place.
is ridicolous. They never did it for those reasons. Sure Bush said something like that but they sure as hell didn't let 9/11 happen man.
EDIT: I like you Moon you know that so please don't take that personal. It's just that I find claims that 9/11 was a conspiracy outright ridicolous. But perhaps I'm ignorant .
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posted October 10, 2008 12:22 PM |
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but believing that 9/11 was by any means planned by officals or accepted whatsoever is bull****. It simply is.
I will ask you the same question: What reason do YOU have to believe this? "It simply is" is not a valid argument.
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posted October 10, 2008 12:29 PM |
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Well I'm simply stupid enough to believe that no government in the world would be so inhumane as to attack it's own people just so that they could invade another country and let "a small group of men" make lots of cash. But yeah I'm probably naive as hell for not believing goofy facts that can be interpreted in basically any direction. But ignorance is a blessing.
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Take a look at history, it is filled with people that exploited people and let people be killed for their own benefit.
Many Americans don't seem bothered by the fact THOUSANDS of iraqees are being killed daily still as a result of this war, and many are mutilated from bombings.
Yet it seems implausible to let 3000 people die to start a war and further one's own agenda? Because then conscience rears its ugly head?
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posted October 10, 2008 12:41 PM |
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They could have had it much easier with a couple of poison gas attacks on some subway stations, pointing with their fingers to the poison gas history if Iraq, if their was a reasonable plan.
No, the whole idea of terrorists hijacking multiple planes in a coordinated attack on the WTC is just far-fetched. I can believe that people may have dismissed warnings as ridiculous or maybe even saying, well, let those terrorists take action, it will give us something to act upon, severely underestimating the actual dangers. But conspiracy to destroy the WTC with a double plane crash? Nah.
By the way, since this is a gaming forum: does anyone remember Civilization II/Test of Time? It was pre-9/11, and guess what kind of government and units there were in: right, fundamentalism and fanatics, and everyone who played it will know exactly how you'd use fanatics. Of course, when Civ III hit the market (post-9/11) there was no trace left of either fundamentalism or fanatics which is actually rather ironic, since history had just confirmed their vision...
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Yes history has been full of those people and sure there are people out there who wouldn't hesitate to kill 3000 people if it would futher their own needs. And it's not like I'd purposefully look away if I actually had any reason to believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy.
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Many Americans don't seem bothered by the fact THOUSANDS of iraqees are being killed daily still as a result of this war, and many are mutilated from bombings.
Well I don't think it's thousands a day but that doesn't matter the loss of life is a tragedy indeed. But I don't think that this is related to the topic. Or is it? And lol of course it's wrong that they die nobody is saying that a dead iraque is better than a dead american (atleast no reasonable people, with which you are communicating with here on HC most of the times).
EDIT: But nevermind I'm not trying to convince you if you chose to believe those facts (I say that's bending facts in my opinion) you do that. I stay the ignorant dog of the media.
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posted October 10, 2008 12:45 PM |
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Well the topic drifted a little to 9/11
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posted October 10, 2008 12:56 PM |
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by the way guys.
I'm not very good in economics since it bores me to death, but I can't help but to wonder.. how will the economic failure of American exchange influence the rest of the world.. particularly Europe.. specifically, the poorer countries, like Poland
Can anyone throw an expertise?
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by the way guys.
I'm not very good in economics since it bores me to death, but I can't help but to wonder.. how will the economic failure of American exchange influence the rest of the world.. particularly Europe.. specifically, the poorer countries, like Poland
Can anyone throw an expertise?
Of course it will affect other countries, not necessarily all though.
The international stock market has crashed dramatically.
People are selling shares like crazy and large multi-national corporations are going broke. Even huge ones like Ford and GM are on the brink of bankrupcy.
This has repercussions to the worldwide economy, and those with strong ties to the American stock market are going to suffer. For example here in Australia the dollar has plumetted to levels comparable to the 50's.
With many people will alot less money, the market for luxury goods is going to decline.
No one is going to want to fork out 3 grand for a suit or 60 bucks to get dry cleaning or anything so they are going to start to take the cheaper option, and these companies are going to go broke, and then companies that depend on these fail ad failum
So generally many companies are losing alot of money therefore imports suffer and the general economy slows.
In effort to boost the national economy interest rates may be raised which is good for most people with mortgages although obviously those with alot of money in the bank suffer there.
Japan has probably been hit the most by this out of anyone, more than America in terms of stock market crash.
I suspect however that countries such as Poland will get off relatively easy, to answer your question in short
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