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Sargeras
Known Hero
the Fallen
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posted February 27, 2008 02:36 PM |
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Which faction is hardest to master in multiplayer?
What's the hardest faction to master in MP and why do u think so ???
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DarkShadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
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posted February 27, 2008 02:48 PM |
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Inferno without any ballista.
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted February 27, 2008 03:01 PM |
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Errr... Have you written why? I cannot find it anywhere...
In my opinion it is Haven...
And why?
Becasue Doomforge said it is hard to master and he is a master 
So if he says so- I must believe...
What's more- I didn't find really hard playing other factions
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted February 27, 2008 03:21 PM |
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me? a master? Come on, I'm an average player 
there is a lot of players better than me on HC
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted February 27, 2008 03:39 PM |
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Haven without war machines...Can't take on much early battles until later part of the game where the griffins and paladins are out
Die fast, and troops slow.
No chance against sylvan shooters in early game without war machines, unless you're prepared to take losses
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted February 27, 2008 04:17 PM |
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I don't understand these "without war machines" phrases.
To me it seems like saying academy without any magic skills.
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted February 27, 2008 04:28 PM |
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Stronghold can do without War Machines for example
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DarkShadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
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posted February 27, 2008 04:37 PM |
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Every faction is easy to play with right skill's and perk's.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted February 27, 2008 06:58 PM |
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To play yes, to master no Anyone can start a game and attack pack of creatures but it's another things going for lots or horde. The game has amazing potential if you know how to use each faction well.
But mastery is not about creeping but also tactics, adaptability, map navigation and strategy against each and every other faction according to how late in the game you are.
Personally I think academy and fortress are harder to get into.
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DarkShadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
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posted February 27, 2008 07:33 PM |
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what i thought you were big fan of academy?
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yasmiel
Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
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posted February 27, 2008 07:43 PM |
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Being a fan doesn't make a faction easier to master. I like Fortress, but i find it difficult to play it as successfully as some other races.
Academy has wide variety of options so its somewhat harder to master as well.
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted February 27, 2008 07:52 PM |
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Edited by Lesij at 19:52, 27 Feb 2008.
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I don't find Aca very hard to master...
I use only Phoenix + Arma and everybody die
Especially when I can take the fortress and hire some backup for gargoyles and magnets...
About the Fortress- I have to agree. Their creeping needs mastery, not to say a word about late-game.
You don't have the rage like orcs, but you are as slow as them...
You can use light magic but you are slower than Sylvan...
The only way is to Master The Defense- because that's the thing they do the best...
Runes can be very usefull but you have to be very aware- cuz if game becomes too long- you would loose ability to use the runes, or you will have to spend your heroes to turn to refresh JUST ONE...
Noone said the most important...
Also the costs of the runes are great...
But, anyway, with fortress you can kick ass. Badly...
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted February 27, 2008 07:56 PM |
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Have to agree on fortress, they're too defensive a faction to master well .. when big fights, they can't resurrect as much as we would like.
Guess mark of fire + fireball/amargedon ignite combo would be best solution to that 
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted February 27, 2008 08:04 PM |
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Edited by Lesij at 20:06, 27 Feb 2008.
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Unfortunately Fortress need extreme hybrid build...
They don't have to much Spellpower- but they need to take destructive to be very efficent...
They don't have to much attack and they need to base (even slightly) on their creatures...
What's more- their special boosts creatures not the spells...
To sum up- they are to weak to stand without heroes dealing great damage and/or refreshing runes and their hero is to weak to cast spells efficently...
The only ways are to risk- and go for that armageddon paying in weaker creatures or use Refresh rune and focus on the creatures (which are veeeeery expenisve and don't deal great damage if not boosted by light or runic magic)...
Dwarven Hero Build would suppose him to take Light Spells, but as everyone sees, they can only support, not help very much the fortress...
But, if anyone chooses the only-might build and don't take ANY magic- then his Spellpow and Mana are wasted and they are quite easy to get :/
So only Hybrid and very focused for whole the game
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DarkShadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
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posted February 27, 2008 08:40 PM |
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fortress has diffent paths open...turle striking...armadgeddonist...
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted February 27, 2008 08:57 PM |
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We are talking about that just now -_- Why do you write the same things that some time ago other dudes did, but a bit summerised?
That's true there are lots of Paths for Runemage, but they are really hard to master them in the level you can play just competitive...
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DarkShadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
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posted February 27, 2008 08:59 PM |
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you second line didnt make any sense 
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted February 28, 2008 01:46 AM |
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At first, fortress is the hardest for me, try it in heroic.
Then i realize this faction is turtle type, so turtling is fortress key to success.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 28, 2008 03:03 AM |
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I have only played a few games and haven't tried all the faction yet. judging only from a few duels, the one who seemed harder to me is the stronghold, because of the lack of magic. and the easiest seems to be the sylve.
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted February 28, 2008 09:01 AM |
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Edited by Lesij at 09:02, 28 Feb 2008.
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Have you played full duel- so fo r example on penisula, or just duels in dule mode?
If in duel mode, orcs lack their primary ability- Blood Rage. It is only on advanced level. Only Haggash has Exp...
If you have problems with playing Stronghold- try taking Defense. It appeals simply to no-one but there is one trick- double preserve. Damage is absorbed by two skills...
I have tried this and after three shoots of castle towers 8 centaurs ws killed. THE SAME AS WOULD BE KILLES WITH ONE TOWERS' STRIKE...
I pick defense inspite of warmachines, becasue: First Aid tent have 3 healing times and sometimes you need to bother a lot to make it act in the place you really need to...
Flaming Ballista is very nice but:
- Everybody can have it so it isn't something unusual
- It can be killed easily with your own cyclops, your enemies ballista, your enemies shooters, or area spelss just on the beggging of the combat... So there is a great chnace you won't have any use of it...
And defense boosts all your creatures survivability making them simply indestructible...
I'm really sad I hadn't Saved the the reply when about 50 BloodEyeds attacked my Untamed and didn't manage to kill just ONE even tough he was even hasted by the chieftan...
Try to guess how many HP did my Cyclops have after that strike 
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