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Kispagat
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posted June 09, 2009 02:07 PM |
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Yeah, you are right, he was wrong to do so, and I asked everyone's opinion on the matter, and none except you wanted him punished.
And, the truth is, after I listened to Natalka, I felt that she pushed him into doing it, only to expose him a few moments later, because of some emotional status and animosity between the two at that time... not to mention that she asked for no punishment for him, even though they were in bad relationships at the time ...
On top of that, as he pointed out very well, if he wanted to achieve 3rd in order not to face zilo, he could easily lose against Natalka 1 game and the problem was solved. Also, the Dagoth issue, is out of the question, since he didn't achieve anything by losing only 1 game.
With another words, he had clear intention to cheat, he cheated, but the reason why you do not punish him, is that he could not achieve anything. Intention, actions and result are different things. I think latter is not an excuse if the intentions and actions are disgraceful.
But anyway, lets hope other people in our community will not be infected by our grandmasters dishonorable skills and techniques.
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Elit
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posted June 09, 2009 02:39 PM |
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1. So you think its allowed to win 2-0 and report it as a 0-2 loss to achieve desired play -off position? Its not a cheat? Is it honorable?
What is not proven here?
Ah, its a personnel problem between Natalka and Strider. Ic, thats a great excuse. Who cares? Fact is that he made a wrong report to get what he wanted. If something like this revealed in any league of any sports, no doubt what will be the next step. But this is your tournament, you made the decision there. I asked you to kick him, you said, this was wrong and let him play on, case closed we can go on. But do not say, he has not been guilty.
2. Replays with Dagoth are another try to achieve desired place, I dont think it needs to be an arena expert to see that. I dont know what else proofs you would like to have, replays speak for themselves.
About "wrong" report. Yes its sure not honorable and "almost cheat" but if Strider want "desired position" its normal to get it...just need to "loss smart". In all sports ppl play with result for get "right" spot. Difference is just they did it well enough so none can acuse them in "cheat"...But its happend all the time i know alot sportist for tell it!
About Strider loss vs Dagoth. I want to say him ty Realy nice to watch replays where Stider loss Sure he can play better but he not did so terible. I mean here have chance this loss to be "legit" but its not. Why? Because strider dont know how to loss well...and for final after every his loss he made huge post and excuses in HC but not this time.
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2:0 resut for natalka vs Strider cant suprise me. She play very well. Sad she cant talk "more polite".
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 09, 2009 03:03 PM |
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I would like to request that you put the strider issue behind you, it's all been said before and serves no purpose than rekindling the same cycle of arguments. If you see something new that demands attention by all means but let's drop this one and focus on something more interesting
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Elit
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posted June 09, 2009 03:15 PM |
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I would like to request that you put the strider issue behind you, it's all been said before and serves no purpose than rekindling the same cycle of arguments. If you see something new that demands attention by all means but let's drop this one and focus on something more interesting
I'm try to "defend" Strider. I mean its not honorable to "fake loss" but its "normal" in real world. Just he need to learn how to make it well. About his game vs Dagoth i'm doing fun...but its not sure he is fake loss. Heores are complex game and different factors affect. For example Strider can have RealLife problems and not play well concentrated. Mistakes in games are normal and he is human too.
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted June 09, 2009 03:18 PM |
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The hells must have frozen over
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted June 09, 2009 04:12 PM |
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Edited by natalka at 23:22, 09 Jun 2009.
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Strider_Hl is not a human,he is a God...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 09, 2009 04:18 PM |
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Ociffer I swear to drunk I'm not God *hic*
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted June 25, 2009 01:59 PM |
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I have trouble catching Firedragon. Even though he is periodically online, his last message in msn has been on June 6. Probably it is just a family member by computer and msn starts automatically.
Maybe Kis can help by calling Fire to find out when he might be back to TOH. It could be cool if we finished The Caesar tournament by the end of July.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted June 25, 2009 05:00 PM |
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I think he just wait Vesuvius to say what map to play ... Too bad looks like TOH have no more "central government" 
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted June 25, 2009 05:27 PM |
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OK... then as Ranking TOH Official on Site.. I hereby suggest you guys Play Genesis-DarkRealm  Broaden your horizens a bit
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted June 25, 2009 05:45 PM |
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First post in this topic is June 14, 2008 now is June 25, 2009 and turnament is not end. NO COMMENT 
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted June 25, 2009 06:15 PM |
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This is the Grandfinals. Only the best of ToH may compete.
Only one will become the Caesar of ToH.
The Caesar will receive the greatest in prestige & awards...
50 prestige points
$500 cash reward
The Caesar Title carries over to all future Seasons.
ROUND 2
Current Matchups (best 2 out of 3):
Strider_HL vs Kispagat Red Player
Firedragon_008 vs Jorko80 Red Player
ROUND 1
Current Matchups (best 2 out of 3):
Strider_HL Win 3:0 vs Valentin Loss
Firedragon_008 Win 3:1 vs Fraudatio Loss
Jorko80 Win 2:1 vs Jinxer Loss
Kispagat Win 2:0 vs Elit Loss
*Map Choices:
Dragon Hill
Master of Disguise
Ashes and Sands
Hourglass
Battlezone
Rat race
Dead Man's Lake
Battle for Honor
Random L(No under)
Dragons Cape
Forgotten Kingdoms
Lets Fight
*If Players Disagree on Map, Vesuvius will randomly decide on a map.
If Vesuvius does a random selection for a matchup, those players will not get the
same map for future matchups in random selection.
**If a player fails to respond to matchups, or has honor issues, foul play etc..
He will be replaced by a waitlist player.
There is no deadline for this tournament, but players who lag can be replaced.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted June 25, 2009 06:49 PM |
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Turnamen look now more like for veterans. I'm suggest Strider and Firedragon to be replaced with Cycleguy and Fiur. Both have over 300 games. I'm sure they can easy finish match from "best 10 from 19" for week or 2
I'm not sure if this is a joke
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted June 25, 2009 07:04 PM |
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well 1 word.... (shame)
that this final has been running for so long...
I actually had good hope for this one.... but now it seems like also this one got stucked... (shame#2)..... 
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted June 25, 2009 08:37 PM |
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well considering they have been playing an Illegal map " Twilight World" then does that make them disqualified? Or should we assume that map list is irrelevant. Which means Ves could Choose ANY map. Not sure why we even ever have rules if people are not forced to follow them???
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Elit
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posted June 26, 2009 08:11 AM |
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well considering they have been playing an Illegal map " Twilight World" then does that make them disqualified? Or should we assume that map list is irrelevant. Which means Ves could Choose ANY map. Not sure why we even ever have rules if people are not forced to follow them???
Map list is very old and i dont like most from maps....think you to. Both players can agree for any map/rules. Noting "illegal" here. Rules are for help ppl not to make them criminals
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted June 26, 2009 06:40 PM |
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Well I was not really calling them criminals.. I mentioned they should play Genesis-DarkRealm for Final since they couldnt agree and kisp fired a post right after showing the maps list.. which suggested that my suggestion was not worthy.. So I was just pointing out that noone has gone by the maps list during any part of the tourny... so no need to bring it up now.
I am no longer in the tourny.. so I could care less what they do.. Just think if they are not motivated enough to finish tourny then they dont want it bad enough.
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Strider_HL
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posted June 26, 2009 07:21 PM |
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Of course, we both are motivated. I just suspect that Fire is very busy due to work or personal stuff and cannot convey a proper message due to language barrier. That is why i hope that Kis might call Fire on the phone and then post here his planned return to heroes date.
We started discussing setup for the Final on May 14 but soon after Fire shifted to the stealth mode. We got stuck at deciding map. But i hear that Fire has received Giants Hardcore version several days ago. Maybe that is the long expected light at the end of tunnel Perhaps, he might accept this map finally. I would concur.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 26, 2009 07:52 PM |
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Considering that the finals have been running for a year now imagine if you guys weren't motivated.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted June 26, 2009 09:39 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 21:41, 26 Jun 2009.
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LMAO.... thats funny stuff Elvin!
Guess cant blame them for not following the rules.. Even the Birds dont follow the rules. Rules are meant to be Broken..... I Guess???
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