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posted June 25, 2008 10:25 AM |
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Earth Twins just a matter of time?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20080624/sc_space/astronomersonvergeoffindingearthstwin
If so what impact if any would this have? Most likely they would be too far away for us to get to any time soon. Could they have life. What would that mean in cosmic terms (like for religion).
What if they have the exact same religion as one on earth..what would that mean? (Would be extreamly unlikely..unless...)
In our lifetime it would probably mean very little. What might it mean for future generations, however?
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posted June 25, 2008 10:46 AM |
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I'm a bit puzzled that you need an scientist to tell you that. I mean the univers is so ridicolously huge that it's not even comprehendable for a human... I mean of course there is another earth like planet somewhere and to even think that we are the only "intelligent" life form is the naivest thought thinkable (not saying you did ).
But it will not have even the slightest effect on our planet as that planet is quadrubliongazillion km away from us and we'll probably never reach it if we discover it at all
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What would that mean in cosmic terms (like for religion).
Enlighten me. In what relation are cosmic terms and religion? How the hell would religion affect the universe (in case that's what you're saying)?
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posted June 25, 2008 10:53 AM |
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Edited by Mytical at 11:08, 25 Jun 2008.
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Yes, but it a twin to earth might be a lot closer then we could have guessed or imagined. As for religion having impact..think on this. If we encounter other intelligent life from said planet, and they have a religion identical to one of ours. Think of the implications.
Which can be several.
1) Since there is no way it could have been communicated, and it is so unlikely to be mear chance, then there might be something to that particular religion. IE a higher power DID communicate with both species.
2) That they may have visited us before, and shared their religion. If so, though, why no records of it?
3) Other possible scenarios I could never imagine or dream of.
As for cosmic reprocussions that occurs if their is no shared religion. Then that would almost seal the fate of all religions. Most have earth/humans as unique beings created by the diety and being exclusive. New life forms would pretty much end that.
I realize that the chance of reaching to another planet anytime in the next 1000 years is small. What impact it might have when we do finally reach it is only speculation, but it is interesting speculation.
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posted June 25, 2008 11:07 AM |
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I believe, too it will be found sooner or later  . About then contact..., well we can use radio wave, speed of light aren't so bad.
Life... is very likely, but better will be rational being, with them we can contact. In future this will be the most important thing perhaps, because we can teach and learn from them about technology.
As an ateist, I should say, that religions are make to milk, enslave and manipulate people. In this case aren't any good. I fear that they too can have his own religion and then we can real see real starwars for religion fanatism  , like in the Middle Ages, for the Inquisition,... Sorry, for bad English.
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posted June 25, 2008 11:14 AM |
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Our known space is pretty much explored so there is nothing within our galaxy that is earth like an the next galaxy is... about 2,7 million lightyears (that means you would have to travel 2,7 millions years with the speed of light in order to get there) away. To me
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2) That they may have visited us before, and shared their religion. If so, though, why no records of it?
isn't more than too much sci-fiction... I mean I can digg aliens ok... but other humans from our twin star come to visit us and then leave again?
Oh and even if they have the same religion it doesn't prove much to me since it's human nature to worship something and seek comfort for "life" after death. But yeah I guess logic isn't really abliable here.
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posted June 25, 2008 11:27 AM |
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posted June 25, 2008 11:33 AM |
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They are still looking in this galaxy for earth twins. It is still possible one exsists in this galaxy. Still would take a long time to get there, however. Unless faster then light travel is managed somehow.
Now on the topic of religion I agree, and I don't. The fact is that religion in itself would not be too strange if another intelligent species had it. If we met them and they had one identical, that would be a bit different, however. Humans can't even agree on a single religion, the odds of another intelligent species having an EXACT double would be so phenominal there would be no way it could be coincidence. Since it is impossible the information travelled by any other way except for a divine being.
However, discussing religion is not the point of this.
If we found an empty earth..just like our but where no humanoid life ever exsisted, and could some how reach it..what would the reprocussions of that be? A space race? Something else.
If it is inhabited..what would the reprocussions be? How far in the future might we find out?
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posted June 25, 2008 12:44 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 12:54, 25 Jun 2008.
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Our known space is pretty much explored so there is nothing within our galaxy that is earth like
This is not true. I guess you are confusing our galaxy to our solar system, which indeed has been mapped. But our own galaxy has estimated to be consisted of something from 200 billion stars and possibly up to 400 billion stars... so no we have NOT searched even a fracture of them for earthlike planets yet. 
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posted June 25, 2008 01:27 PM |
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Edited by executor at 13:29, 25 Jun 2008.
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Minion got the right point, with a minute reservation that our galaxy is not that big. 100-150 billion stars, afaik. And we've searched around like... 200 of them  . And only around 10 or so with the ability to detect earth-like planets, should they be there.
The impact on humanity if we find one?
Well, slight as long as we aren't sure there's sentient life out there. Just an earth-like planet in habitable zone doesn't mean that outright. But it is still a remarkable observation - a promise of future interstellar expansion of mankind, something many (including me) dream of.
Should we meet someone else 'out there', then what? I think it would be just as if we met another culture, this time of another species. They might be more culturally distant to us than we can think of, than two earthly cultures ever were, and that might lead to unpredictable repercussions.
What impact would that have on beliefs? Mine - none .
Others? May vary. Definitely humans could not be regarded as crown of creation, as easily as they are now, any longer. Sentient life could then be regarded as such. What impact their beliefs would have? Just as if another belief system sprouted here, on Earth. It might be really extraordinary, though.
I would like to add that such an encounter would be far easier to digest for humans if we were not alone here, on earth, i.e. there was another sentient species here.
And lastly, if we are to meet sentient extraterrestial life at some point in the future, I hope the story of spaniards and aztecs won't be repeated. Especially if we were to play aztecs' part  .
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posted June 25, 2008 01:42 PM |
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(that means you would have to travel 2,7 millions years with the speed of light in order to get there)
Hmm, once I watched a documentary about Wormholes; with them it is possible to travel infinitely far away in one second
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posted June 25, 2008 02:00 PM |
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(that means you would have to travel 2,7 millions years with the speed of light in order to get there)
Hmm, once I watched a documentary about Wormholes; with them it is possible to travel infinitely far away in one second
Yeah, When you do you have no idea where you are.Unless we can control the locations there is no way they will be useful cause our space tech is not high yet.
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posted June 25, 2008 02:06 PM |
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Yeah, but we also don't travel with light speed yet anyway (I never said we are tech advanced for wormholes right now)
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posted June 25, 2008 03:00 PM |
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From what I've seen, Wormholes are simply fantasy -- I mean, connecting two Black Holes? If you are talking about different kinds of Wormholes, then I'd say they still need to have someone 'on the other side'. That is, someone has to travel on the other side to set up the 'portal' there.
But there might also the possibility of manipulating space-time itself.
...Or some special type of voodoo
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posted June 25, 2008 03:27 PM |
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From what I've seen, Wormholes are simply fantasy -- I mean, connecting two Black Holes?
Actually it is just a question on tecnology. Basicaly a wormhole can connect 2 different times too, the timeflow is different on each side. Thus allowing time travel.
Creating a wormhole will be possible one day, along with far traveling in space.
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posted June 25, 2008 03:29 PM |
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Actually it is just a question on tecnology. Basicaly a wormhole can connect 2 different times too, the timeflow is different on each side. Thus allowing time travel.
Simple in words, but how are you going to 'manipulate' time?
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posted June 25, 2008 03:39 PM |
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Actually it is just a question on tecnology. Basicaly a wormhole can connect 2 different times too, the timeflow is different on each side. Thus allowing time travel.
Simple in words, but how are you going to 'manipulate' time?
Tecnicaly, the timeflow is different on the 2 sides of the wormhole.
However in what term ya mean "manipulate time"? Tecnicaly if you go back in time trough a wormhole you enter a alternativ dimension once someting happens that alters the events that happen.
If A goes back to timeline 2 from time 1 and kills A mom or dad/etc, A in timeline 2 will not excist. However A is from timeline 1, soo it can walk around freely.
That is the teori however, there is another on the timeline being 1 straight line. In that one A will kill itself upon doing killing its parents.
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posted June 25, 2008 03:42 PM |
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I meant how are you going to create the wormhole in the first place?
Maybe it will lead to Hell on the other side, like in the Event Horizon movie
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posted June 25, 2008 03:46 PM |
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I meant how are you going to create the wormhole in the first place?
Manipulating a Black Hole or some grand device creating one.
It is 100% possible in teori, so i cannot se why it cannot be done(when is a complete different question).
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posted June 25, 2008 03:50 PM |
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It is 100% possible in teori, so i cannot se why it cannot be done(when is a complete different question).
In theory, it's also possible to have an ideal object that moves without using up energy, etc...
And really the problem is that the Black Hole might not even teleport us, it's unknown what happens -- the wormhole is just one possible theory.
Maybe the Black Hole, again, might teleport us to Hell, like in Event Horizon (you should watch that if you want to see that). It's an open question.
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posted June 25, 2008 03:58 PM |
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it's also possible to have an ideal object that moves without using up energy, etc...
1 word: Space
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