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posted December 12, 2009 03:03 PM |
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@Doom, Love is similar to respect, you respect your family because they're you're blood and family but you respect your friends because they're your friends. Love is similar because you love your family because they're your blood but you love a girl, for instance, because of other reasons.
And a relationship with a girl doesn't always have to be with lust, the girl that I love ATM, I love mostly because of her personality, if I would just go for looks I would love many girls in my school.
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posted December 12, 2009 09:45 PM |
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That is not an answer, because "what is shared between everything" is what you are supposed to define. That is, you have to take away the differences and reduce everything to something that's the same.
You didn't define love either.
It's impossible to define with words, but I think everyone knows the love feeling for a parent -- and that is love. I defined it, just not with words.
See? No need to get so worked up.
And yet, you could have been more specific from the start. You know, QUOTE what you are talking about. 
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This is all assuming you feel great affection for your parents, of course.
and your partner
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posted December 12, 2009 09:52 PM |
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and your partner
If you don't feel affection for your partner, what is the point in having one? Choosing a companion you feel nothing for is... Well, then it isn't exactly a partner.
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posted December 12, 2009 09:54 PM |
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If you don't feel affection for your partner, what is the point in having one? Choosing a companion you feel nothing for is idiotic.
You feel something towards people, obviously was my point. Your partner can become an 'ex' simply out of his/her behavior... you still have feelings for him/her, possibly negative feelings.
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posted December 12, 2009 09:59 PM |
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If you don't feel affection for your partner, what is the point in having one?
sex
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posted December 12, 2009 10:01 PM |
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If you don't feel affection for your partner, what is the point in having one?
sex
Rather... animalistic...
And you wouldn't call it love.
I'm treading true scotsman territory here, but when I meant partner, I was talking about doomforge saying that love for parents is the same as love for your partner.
Anyway, unimportant at best.
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posted December 12, 2009 10:10 PM |
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I agree Dagoth but my point can be formulated thus:
Your feelings for the people you call parents can be love or hate or something else. Your feelings for other people have the same characteristics. Sure you may not call them 'partners' but there's nothing that says there's a drawn line between classifications.
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posted December 12, 2009 10:13 PM |
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That is not an answer, because "what is shared between everything" is what you are supposed to define. That is, you have to take away the differences and reduce everything to something that's the same.
You didn't define love either.
I wasn't asked.
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It's impossible to define with words, but I think everyone knows the love feeling for a parent -- and that is love. I defined it, just not with words.
Everyone knows the love feeling for a parent? That's your definition? You think everyone feels the same for both of their parents?
That's amazing.
So what about the love of a mother for her child? Every mother knows THAT feeling, or don't they? And what about the father? What makes the difference? Or is there any? Difference between the love of a son for his dad or mum or a love of a father for his son or daughter or the love of a mother for her son or daughter or...
Hm.
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posted December 12, 2009 10:16 PM |
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Rather... animalistic...
You asked for a reason and I gave you one. Your opinion on the matter doesn't change the fact that it may be a reason. Maybe not for you or me, but for many people, yes, it is.
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posted December 12, 2009 10:34 PM |
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I agree Dagoth but my point can be formulated thus:
Your feelings for the people you call parents can be love or hate or something else. Your feelings for other people have the same characteristics. Sure you may not call them 'partners' but there's nothing that says there's a drawn line between classifications.
When I say partner, I had in mind an ally of sorts. You?
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posted December 12, 2009 10:38 PM |
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I wasn't asked.
So you actually have no claim at all? Because making any claim, including "love is different" or "love is special" requires an answer to the same question. Otherwise, just empty words.
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Everyone knows the love feeling for a parent? That's your definition? You think everyone feels the same for both of their parents?
Don't be silly, it doesn't have to be exactly the same, I'm not talking quantum mechanics or nanoscale precision definition.
@Dagoth: ok let me reformulate.
The love for the parents you respect is the same as for the love for the 'significant other'. The love for the parents you hate (if any) is the same as the love for the 'significant other' you hate.
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posted December 12, 2009 10:44 PM |
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To me, that makes no sense. It's as if you're saying that you like your parents and your significant other equally. Which must suck if you really don't like your parents.
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posted December 12, 2009 10:48 PM |
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To me, that makes no sense. It's as if you're saying that you like your parents and your significant other equally. Which must suck if you really don't like your parents.
Who said you must have the same level of the emotion? I said that the emotion is the same, not that it has the same level.
Most emotions are the same for ALL humans -- but everyone has their own level on each and every person or themselves. Love or hate are universal emotions, that doesn't mean everyone loves the same people or loves the same way, or hates the same way.
Also level 0 is also a level (no such emotion), mathematically speaking, although not very realistic IMO.
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posted December 12, 2009 10:52 PM |
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I don't think love or affection is very easily expressed on an x-axis like that. I think it has more dimensions. Though, human emotion in se is rather strange and I never quite grasped it. Maybe it's all on that one line, who knows.
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posted December 12, 2009 10:53 PM |
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Well that was a sketch of sorts, I didn't mean to imply that it's easily measurable, just a simplified example to show what I mean.
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posted December 12, 2009 10:57 PM |
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Which of course comes up with a new perspective for me. I mean, who says love is all the same? Maybe love is the catch-all term for ppositive feelings we have for people. I mean, we do say we love our friends, relatives and lovers. But love becomes such an abstract of a term then, nearly impossible to grasp. And, when we say we should love our neighbours and enemies, we have a problem, don't we?
We're children playing with gravel on the side of the road that is life.
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posted December 13, 2009 09:42 AM |
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I wasn't asked.
So you actually have no claim at all? Because making any claim, including "love is different" or "love is special" requires an answer to the same question. Otherwise, just empty words.
Dude, YOU are the one making the words, and they are empty. I'm just pointing my finger on the fact, and there is no prerequisite for me to do so. If you try to solve an equation and makes obvious mistakes I can point to them without having to try for a solution myself.
That should be obvious.
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Everyone knows the love feeling for a parent? That's your definition? You think everyone feels the same for both of their parents?
Don't be silly, it doesn't have to be exactly the same, I'm not talking quantum mechanics or nanoscale precision definition.
No, you are just talking, talking, talking, talking...
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posted December 13, 2009 07:57 PM |
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Dude, YOU are the one making the words, and they are empty. I'm just pointing my finger on the fact, and there is no prerequisite for me to do so. If you try to solve an equation and makes obvious mistakes I can point to them without having to try for a solution myself.
That should be obvious.
Since when are you playing Devil's Advocate? That was my job. 
Though to be fair, part of such feeling is already shared and since it's one word that is the most logical choice, but you might as well tell anyone who analyzes it to give up right?
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No, you are just talking, talking, talking, talking...
And you are posting. I just quoted it.
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posted December 15, 2009 06:34 PM |
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I regurlarly go to a hospital (well, more like a meeting place actually, but they call it a hospital) and there is that girl who is here for a training period and is quite cute. I quite like her and I don't think she dislikes me. well, I asked her out (I didn't say it, but I meant as friends, maybe she didn't understand), she said no, pretexting that seeing the context of our encounter, it wasn't a good idea. I'm not convinced and don't understand. normally I should see her again thursday, so maybe I can get more explanations.
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posted December 15, 2009 06:54 PM |
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Next time, don't ask. Demand.
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