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define what that 'love' feeling is if we take away all other components.
What is shared between everything that counts as love. You love your best friend, love your mom, love your dad, love your wife, might even love your pets (for real, I mean), etc... 
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posted December 10, 2009 11:02 PM |
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Death, please. Just for once, put some effort into it. Because if you do not come up with something really good now, carcity owns you.
Oh, and don't start a discussion with me now. Just do it.
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Death, please. Just for once, put some effort into it. Because if you do not come up with something really good now, carcity owns you.
JJ, please. Just for once, drop any personal attacks and bring arguments. It's not too much to ask for. Maybe this forum should have a feature to disallow certain members from seeing the member of a post.
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Oh, and don't start a discussion with me now.
You just did.
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Okay, about C. To quote an earlier post:
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C and D, on the other hand, is/was (you never know what tense to use) [ed. note - was] the worst train wreck imaginable. C is another member of the band (I have a whole bunch of friends from there - in fact, all of my friends are either band members or ex-members, but I was never in band) and he's also good - except for his relationships. Actually, C is rather an idiot in many ways. He is a fanatic conservative, but subscribes to the labor theory of value. And he's a religious fundamentalist, which is also part of his relationship problems. D is a nice girl two years younger than him, who is also in band. Anyway, they first started going out when C, A, and I were in the ninth grade, and C made a ridiculously obsessive website with pictures (not those kinds of pictures) of D all over it and wrote "C loves D" everywhere. He also claimed that they made out for five hours while watching Fox News. There was also an incident in which C bought D a thong, which he claims he threw away, but D's mom ended up with it. After some time, they broke up. C then briefly dated a girl from out of town. That relationship ended after she cheated on him with her female cousin. So C went back to D. And he began to brainwash her. He had sex with her, and his brother walked in on them. She started crying. Instead of doing something a reasonable person would do, C took his brother aside and said, "That's what I'm supposed to do." There was also this exchange:
D: I like to mow the lawn.
C: That's okay, as long as you have my dinner ready on time.
Funny, right? Except they were both completely serious. D became more lethargic. Eventually, she broke up with him - but the next day, they were back together. This process repeated several times for a month. Then, she made it final. C was absolutely broken - he was obsessed with her to an unhealthy degree. D, however, became a much more happy and fun person.
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C's always been an idiot. Four years ago, he got mad at me and broke a TV antenna over my head.
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Today, we were talking about C, and one of my friends (incidentally, the same guy who wrote the "spoon" analogy in my Education thread) said this, "Back in 8th grade, I didn't know [C] that well. We were both in band and athletics, but I still didn't really know him. So for some reason I was in the band room with him, and we started talking about some stuff we had in common. I thought, 'Hey, this guy's all right.' So we were talking on the bus on the way to a basketball game, and then I thought, 'What is this? This guy is an idiot.'"
C is a poster child for Yandere and Love Makes You Evil - and Proud Warrior Race Guy.
And C's misadventures continue! Last spring (don't remember if I wrote about this or not), D got a college friend who's a pretty cool guy. C is/was insanely jealous of him. (D and the guy are obviously in love, but they haven't done anything yet.) So one time C and the college guy were eating in the guy's car, and C happened to notice them. So he watched them eat - for an hour. He even called A and cried over the phone and talked about what he was doing. Then, as D and the college guy drove off, C followed them for 15 minutes or so until his car drove into a ditch. Yeah.
One day, he came to school acting completely insane, laughing, and saying he was going to kill the college guy.
But that was then. He joined the Army and went to Basic this summer. Apparently, before Basic, he met this girl who was also in the Army. He took a liking to her, and they exchanged letters while he was there. When Basic ended - they got engaged. I took this to be a rash decision, and spoke to him. He brushed me off completely, saying I didn't know how much you can learn about a person from letters. I thought, "Okay, whatever. If he makes this girl that he's engaged to unhappy, then she'll have no problem making him pay - she's in the Army, after all! " But things were not quite that simple. He told both A and me that he was still thinking about D and has feelings for her. While he's engaged. So yeah. His fiancée even asked him about D, and his response? "The D I love no longer exists." And yet they stayed together through that.
But wait! There's more! Yesterday, they broke off the engagement. Upon asking C as to why, he said, "I got accepted to a flight school in Montana, and I didn't want to put her through a long-distance relationship." (My YOU LIE! sense was tingling.) So I talked to him some more, and he revealed that he still has feelings for D, but is now masking them and apparently they're now good friends - which I doubt.
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posted December 11, 2009 05:14 PM |
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@Death there are many things in common in different kinds of love, IMO that 'love part of love does not exist, but all those feelings together make love.
Respect, Loyality, friendship, trust, all those feelings are shared between many different kinds of love. There is nothing in love that can be defined as love.
Or in the Engine way:
A car has an engine,so has a plane or a train, a car has wheels and seats, so has the plane and train, there are many things in common in these machines but still they differ a lot, it's the same thing with love.
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posted December 11, 2009 05:33 PM |
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Loyalty, friendship, hate and love are all exactly the same thing.
BAM!
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posted December 11, 2009 06:29 PM |
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Death, please. Just for once, put some effort into it. Because if you do not come up with something really good now, carcity owns you.
JJ, please. Just for once, drop any personal attacks and bring arguments. It's not too much to ask for. Maybe this forum should have a feature to disallow certain members from seeing the member of a post.
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Oh, and don't start a discussion with me now.
You just did.
The simple truth is that you do not have any arguments.
YOU. DO. NOT. HAVE. ANY. ARGUMENTS. NONE. WHATSOEVER.
You are just trolling.
Why don't you do whet carcity asks?
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posted December 11, 2009 08:08 PM |
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@Death there are many things in common in different kinds of love, IMO that 'love part of love does not exist, but all those feelings together make love.
Respect, Loyality, friendship, trust, all those feelings are shared between many different kinds of love. There is nothing in love that can be defined as love.
I don't get it. There are no different kinds of love, it's pointless. If the same feelings are core in every "kind" of love, it IS love then - those four feelings together ARE love and there are no different kinds of four same feelings. And if something else is added, say lust, it's love+lust, not "respect+loyality+friendship+trust+lust = Love mark II", either way you rephrase what I said, just in a different way, but ultimately leading to the same conclusion.
The engine example is weak (sorry TD), cause you can't compare feelings to machines. In any way. Even when discussing semantics.
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posted December 11, 2009 08:24 PM |
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The human mind is in a lot of ways a mechanism
A lot of humans tack on unnecessary details, but in essence, the basic workings are the same. At least... Psychology would be unnecessary otherwise
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posted December 11, 2009 08:24 PM |
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Since Aculias isn't around atm...
Sex.
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posted December 11, 2009 08:27 PM |
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Poor Acu, where are you? 
By the way, I wish I was a lesbian. It's so much fun
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The simple truth is that you do not have any arguments.
YOU. DO. NOT. HAVE. ANY. ARGUMENTS. NONE. WHATSOEVER.
You are just trolling.
Why don't you do whet carcity asks?
You are trolling, you are taking things personal, you never, I repeat, never address arguments properly: either ignore them, or dismiss them as "utterly ridiculous" or something to that effect. What you don't seem to get, most of your posts are utterly ridiculous, and that makes you look like a troll, and this fine post above you is a perfect clear example. You are PREACHING nonsense, end of story.
I mean man, for freaking ONCE, address my arguments. STOP TAKING IT TO PERSONAL (MEMBER), address me as anonymous, and do it properly. I couldn't care less what you think about me, I couldn't care less what a preacher like you labels me, and I think most people here as well don't care about personal things or about me at all.
And by the way, in case you don't know, you have to come up with arguments as to why I "don't have any arguments". I remember using analogies with engines and components and stuff... that's argument for you. You know what I see in your posts? Preaching.
Of course, you will probably not come up with any argument at all, but just dismiss it.
I'm getting tired of your constant nonsense. Last time this resulted in mirrored post. I'm tired of REASONING with you. If you will not listen to reason, and you obviously don't, then I'll have to do it the obvious way -- mirroring posts, PROVING that you don't have any arguments (instead of PREACHING, like YOU do), and then get a drama in the Otherside Feedback -- because well, obviously, you can't stand reason.
It was all your fault though. I tried COUNTLESS times to not resort to your childish behavior (and mirroring), but with some folks, it's simply impossible. So I had to mirror it and do it in a plain, obvious way, which you can not dismiss. Unless you dismiss your posts of course, then everyone would see the hypocrite in you.
Like you did with Elodin, getting annoyed at him and whatever -- if you mirrored his posts he will clearly see the flaw in his arguments, and avoid getting annoyed at him. Sorry, but you're absolutely no level above him, sad to say.
All I see from you is a retarded conversation: you either DO present arguments (sometimes sound) and someone counters them in their way, and then get annoyed at that person instead of showing why their counter is wrong or not good (which btw is childish behavior), or you simply think that your statements, your CLAIMS, have more substance, and are more valid than any other -- call them "obvious" or whatever, when you can't give any arguments to the table at all -- either that or tell the others who use your claims but formulate it against you as "ridiculous".
What was your argument?
Oh yeah, "love for a partner is different than love for a parent".
Nice claim. I hereby claim "love is the same in all cases".
My claim is stronger than yours. HA!
In all seriousness, without even getting into analogy, I already have one argument. It's one word, consequently, it only makes sense to attribute it a common meaning.
What's your argument?
Oh right. "TheDeath, you have no arguments."
Enlightening argument you have. You convinced me.
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The engine example is weak (sorry TD), cause you can't compare feelings to machines. In any way. Even when discussing semantics.
It's not about machines, it's about parts. Parts can be mechanic, abstract, or simply used as comparisons. It was a theoretical analogy, not an experiment.
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In all seriousness, without even getting into analogy, I already have one argument. It's one word, consequently, it only makes sense to attribute it a common meaning.
A word can have different meanings
A murder can be a homocide, but can also be a flock of crows.
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posted December 11, 2009 11:55 PM |
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@Doom, so you're saying love for a parent is the same thing as love for a partner?
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posted December 11, 2009 11:57 PM |
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A word can have different meanings
A murder can be a homocide, but can also be a flock of crows.
Except that in most cases the meaning is drastically different and of language "split" (I don't know how to say it in english). Furthermore I don't think anyone is advocating such a thing, because it's illogical, it probably happened as a result of language evolution. Not to mention that they're probably specific to one language or one language family, in contrast to this "love" word.
I didn't want to elaborate and still don't because why would I bother if he dismisses them? For all I know he probably does so feeling comfortably that I elaborate "too much" and can use that excuse that it wasn't what I meant or such -- so keeping it simple, obvious and straight is the only way to prove it. After all that post was directed at him, which is why I never bother to argue privately with people like him. At least this way others (who probably couldn't care less though ) can see it.
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posted December 12, 2009 01:08 AM |
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I just said that words can have different meanings. I implied that love then has two meanings as well. The fact that the meanings are more closely linked does not prevent them from being separate. fact of the matter is, though, that many make this distinction.
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I just said that words can have different meanings. I implied that love then has two meanings as well. The fact that the meanings are more closely linked does not prevent them from being separate. fact of the matter is, though, that many make this distinction.
I understand what you said, but the example you gave was different. For one, in different languages it is totally different and the meanings don't coincide with the same word at all (just in english). Not so with love, you see, because it mostly refers to same concept in all languages.
But yes I acknowledge same words can have different meanings, but I'm talking more about "wide-area" here not just specific to a language, if you get what I mean. 
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@Death
This is waht carcity asked you:
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define what that 'love' feeling is if we take away all other components.
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What is shared between everything that counts as love. You love your best friend, love your mom, love your dad, love your wife, might even love your pets (for real, I mean), etc...
That is not an answer, because "what is shared between everything" is what you are supposed to define. That is, you have to take away the differences and reduce everything to something that's the same.
That's what I was saying, when I got in:
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Death, please. Just for once, put some effort into it. Because if you do not come up with something really good now, carcity owns you.
Oh, and don't start a discussion with me now. Just do it.
This was a reminder that you are not supposed to run circles with your posts, but simply do what carcity asked you and not start a side discussion to cover the fact that you actually have nothing to say here.
And of course that's what you did. Getting personal. Cover the fact that you don't have an argument.
This time it's obvious because I didn't take part in the discussion. The only thing I did was nailing you when you started backing out from answering the question of another member.
And your last post is just a disgrace. It's everything a post should not be. But the worst thing is that it is yet again completely unconnected. Off-topic. A hate post.
Why couldn't you just answer carcity?
Because you are unable to?
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@Doom, so you're saying love for a parent is the same thing as love for a partner?
yes
you just don't want to have sex with them. (No lust.) You don't want to have kids with them, etc.
The deep kind of care you have for them is love. I think you shouldn't mix hormonal fascination you feel towards your partner in early stages of relationship with love that eventually emerges.
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posted December 12, 2009 03:01 PM |
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This is all assuming you feel great affection for your parents, of course.
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