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posted September 12, 2008 09:13 PM |
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Fully agreed with Doom here. If you break up, it means you realized later that you weren't serious at all, just "had fun". And had fun means no love emotions, just fun emotions.
So you both don't think that there a prostitues that are capable of love? Again lots of sex =/= no emotions. Of course I could fall in love with a prostitue, if she shares my values, etc. why shouldn't I (it is extremly unlikely that I'll find someone of my taste in that millieu but saying it's "impossible" is wrong).
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Hmm not saying that virginity necessarily has to do with it, but you do know people have values, dignity, honor and stuff like that? Or at least had, nowadays they are more and more degenerated
... how is sex supposed to be opposed to having values, dignity and honor. If I have girlfriend and we love each other it doesn't make us less honorable, less diginfied and less valueconfident.
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posted September 12, 2008 09:14 PM |
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*GASP* WHAT ABOUT TEENAGE BOYS?!
Sorry just had to say that, and it sounds like an attempt to discriminate.
just forgot to include them. 
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So you both don't think that there a prostitues that are capable of love?
No, but I think that I would be completely incapable of loving a prostitute, emotions or not. Call me anachronistic, but that's how I am, it will not change.
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Again lots of sex =/= no emotions. Of course I could fall in love with a prostitue, if she shares my values, etc.
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posted September 12, 2008 09:16 PM |
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Well I'd just like to say that: what the hell has virginity and sex have to do with love?
Some people want to have a lot of sex, but that doesn't mean they love each person they have sex with! If they truly love someone then they won't "break up".
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What do you think about teenage girls, 13-14 yo, losing their virginity on a random party (with lots of teenage drinking, of course..)
Drinking =  so that says a lot
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posted September 12, 2008 09:17 PM |
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My thoughts? On virginity? Sheesh... Well, I guess... Uhm... The dilemma is in the fact that you don't want sloppy seconds, but they might complain that it 'hurts', and I'm not gonna fake interest in whining chicks. I think, in the end... I'd want a gal who's masturbated enough to not be a little [female dog] about it, but never got her slot tweaked by another guy's screwdriver.
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posted September 12, 2008 09:18 PM |
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Well I'd just like to say that: what the hell has virginity and sex have to do with love?
For some reason they are commonly associated
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Some people want to have a lot of sex, but that doesn't mean they love each person they have sex with!
I never said it doesn't look that way, but come on, I guess you know many people who expressed love towards many, many guys/gals..
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posted September 12, 2008 09:18 PM |
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@TheDeath: It wasn't originally even a moral value, It was a way of keeping the family heirlooms within the family. People have sexual desires from birth and itchy noses are meant to be scratched! It's no use to torture yourself by not giving into your needs, its like denying yourself from eating because of some obscure reason.
Virginity=/=Purity.
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posted September 12, 2008 09:20 PM |
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Ok Doom&Death we're actually all on the same side and we all agree we just have to look harder!! And you two are just as horny as I am you're just not as open about it.
But I will but my point as plain as possible.
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Treating someone as a list... bleh that has no honor at all and no respect to that person.
You two were talking about ladys that have had a lot of sex in their lives. Ok.
How is that you both argue on the basis that she 100%ly will treat you like all the others. I get the impression that you only think of snows when you hear "lots of sex" but nevermind let's stay with snows.
You both seem to exclude the posibility that he/she can actually fall in love with somebody.
Makeing love to somebody does not (NOT!!) necessarily mean "I love you". Great we agree . Then why do you both think that it's impossible for someone who has had a lot of sex to fall in love? Sure the possibility is very high that he/she'll treat you like the others but it isn't a must.
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posted September 12, 2008 09:21 PM |
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Vexon: haha cool point, made my day 
Another clarification: I meant, of course, loss of virginity at will.. not rape or something like that.. is raped person "not pure" to you, Death?
Az: Well, TheDeath has a lot of philosophy behind it, but as for myself, it's just feelings. No background. I don't want a girl that had 30 sex-mates. I just don't want to. There is no higher morality behind it, just instinct 
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posted September 12, 2008 09:23 PM |
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Lets watch the tone here.. crude.. humour (??) won't be allowed.
Have some respect...If this topic can't be discussed maturely, then it won't last long.
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posted September 12, 2008 09:24 PM |
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My thoughts? On virginity? Sheesh... Well, I guess... Uhm... The dilemma is in the fact that you don't want sloppy seconds, but they might complain that it 'hurts', and I'm not gonna fake interest in whining chicks. I think, in the end... I'd want a gal who's masturbated enough to not be a little [female dog] about it, but never got her slot tweaked by another guy's screwdriver.
You really might want to edit that.... I'm not sure wether our mods would like the tone of that sentence (No matter how right you are)
EDIT: I told you xD.
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You are a unique man, Az
Well thank you. No but seriously everybody would. Just take your new girlfriend (of course she's not a prostitue) but bear with me.
You seem to love her. And perhaps you'll be in a serious relationship with her. And when you are she tells you that she's a prostitue. I mean you'd still love her wouldn't you? The fact that she is a prostitute hasn't changed everything that made you fall in love with her now did it?
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posted September 12, 2008 09:25 PM |
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Lets watch the tone here.. crude.. humour (??) won't be allowed.
Have some respect...If this topic can't be discussed maturely, then it won't last long.
I give it two more pages.
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posted September 12, 2008 09:25 PM |
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It was a way of keeping the family heirlooms within the family.
As a matter of fact I have studied quite a lot of ancient cultures regarding this, and what code of morals they used etc.. You are oversimplifying it.
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It's no use to torture yourself by not giving into your needs, its like denying yourself from eating because of some obscure reason.
Regardless of how many times I reply to this argument you people keep clinging on it seriously.
"It's no use to steal when you can, right?" -- what about your honor, honesty, being "clean"? Even if you are aware no one catches you. Sure we are naturally inclined to steal if we can and are not caught. What does this mean? That we subdue to our instincts. How are we supposed to mentally be evolved regarding that?
You want to follow natural instincts? Natural instincts say you have as many babies as possible -- why do you abort or take pills or use condoms or whatever? Either you take it the natural way, either you don't. Period.
I'm tired of that argument already -- it's not like I reply to it the first time.
Look around you: look at women these days. They don't have the slightest value of being "lady-like" anymore. This was a value that was highly respected in a woman (sure not everyone was like that!). Nowadays people do whatever it takes as long as it's "good" in the end -- doesn't matter if they steal without being caught or spy on someone (in turn, disrespecting their privateship) or doing whatever else that "you get away with".
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is raped person "not pure" to you, Death?
It's not like it's her fault. That's like saying that if someone lost his legs because of a tragedy he is not "human" anymore. I'm not cruel lol.
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posted September 12, 2008 09:26 PM |
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Have some respect...If this topic can't be discussed maturely, then it won't last long.
It is being discussed maturely . It's just one post here that isn't.
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posted September 12, 2008 09:28 PM |
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If you've never seen the snowball effect one nasty post can have in a thread, then you haven't spent all that much time reading in the OSM.
I didn't post that to start a discussion, I am giving advance warning.
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posted September 12, 2008 09:28 PM |
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Az: It did. She lied to me. That's not something I'm going to tolerate, love or not. She has to take responsibility of her life. I take my farewells and get the heck out of there. I'd be seriously depressed if I ever heard something like that in my life.
PS. I never said "I love you" to any girl. I was honest. I keep that sentence for a proper time. Anachronism? Maybe. But I like it that way. Whatever I felt back then was fascination. I don't know if love really exists, but if it does.. I will know it when the time is right 
PS. please listen to Pan, crew.. it's a nice thing to discuss, you don't want to see the topic closed, do you?
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posted September 12, 2008 09:34 PM |
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TheDeath you're right about you're whole moral principles etc. You really are I live by your philosophy but where we seem to disagree is:
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That we subdue to our instincts. How are we supposed to mentally be evolved regarding that?
Having sex isn't always subdueing to our primitive instincts. It isn't. And it isn't mentally devolved to have sex. If I have sex with my girlfriend it is not a bad thing and it isn't inmoral etc. I mean if I understand you right we should only have sex to reproduce. That's your point isn't it? Or is it that sex with somebody you don't love is abominable (my choice of words not yours of course).
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posted September 12, 2008 09:37 PM |
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Having sex isn't always subdueing to our primitive instincts. It isn't. And it isn't mentally devolved to have sex.
No it is not. Look at it like this. Sex comes by itself if you love someone. It doesn't have to be a reason. That's the problem. And another problem is that you truly need to love that someone. If you break up after 1 week saying that "this won't work out" it means you were irrational and, in fact, didn't love him/her. Why have sex then? In this respect, the only reason, subconsciously, that you actually "loved" him/her was because of sex. Period. And this is NOT ok.
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Or is it that sex with somebody you don't love is abominable
Hmm something like this. At least it's a lot closer than your other guess.
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posted September 12, 2008 09:37 PM |
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@TheDeath: Whats up with the obscure metaphore? I really don't get what does stealing have to do with this at all . Doing something tht you have been taught all your life to be wrong is of course going to hurt your morales.
I think that giving into your needs is one thing and acting on none, but your instincts is another and I think that your metaphore about stealing is a bad one.
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posted September 12, 2008 09:47 PM |
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In this respect, the only reason, subconsciously, that you actually "loved" him/her was because of sex. Period. And this is NOT ok.
But you don't know that when you fall in love with the person, do you? I mean when you start your relationship you don't know that it will end after one week do you? Just because a couple breaks up after one week (let's say two) it doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't love each other to begin with. There can always be something that came up or something they hadn't noticed about their partner before they started the relationship.
I think I get what you mean now... but you're being waaaaaay to moralish about such an simple issue... damn it this thread needs more Anti and Joonas.
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posted September 12, 2008 09:54 PM |
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That's why it's nice not to use the word "love" lightly.. When people say they love each other and break up after a week, it's rather pathetic, don't you think?
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