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Keksimaton
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posted September 12, 2008 10:55 PM |
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@TheDeath: I never said that I think you to be "weird". I don't even think you to be weird. I just think that this is getting kind of frustrating when I really don't think that the metaphore that you are using fits the subject and I am starting to not make any sense at all...
So you are saying that to have sex under certain conditions is like stealing/cheating. (stealing and cheating are usually taught to be wrong for one's entire life (I.E. I consider cheating and stealing to be wrong)) This would only work if one has been taught all the time that sex under the earlier mentioned conditions is wrong.
Okay. I get it. Some people are taught that sex under certain conditions is wrong (I.E. in conservative families) and that has become their morale perception of the matter and every person is different etc.
I agree, there are constantly less people like that.
While writing this something started to bother me and I think its a bit off-topic, but do you think that people denying their needs is a step forward in our mental development and the "liberation" from some of the old values (like men having to have short hair (though it has nothing to do with ones needs)) was a step backwards? 
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Vexon
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posted September 12, 2008 11:00 PM |
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It's nice to know I'm now ignored on 2 forums. 
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TheDeath
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posted September 12, 2008 11:02 PM |
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No cheating is not "bad" or "wrong" just because you are taught that way. Cheating is bad because it makes you dishonorable. Period.
Now, like I said, sex is not necessarily 1-to-1 analogy here! But honor and virginity are values, but DIFFERENT types. That's why I could use an analogy.
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mvassilev
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posted September 12, 2008 11:14 PM |
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Cheating is bad because if everyone cheated, everyone would be worse off.
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TheDeath
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posted September 12, 2008 11:20 PM |
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Cheating is bad because if everyone cheated, everyone would be worse off.
Apparently, you don't know what honor is.
Not all things a human does are "for best interest" wake up will you? Not everyone is like that. Some people protect their values. That is what makes them apart from animals (and I'm talking about primitive evolution, not biological).
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mvassilev
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posted September 12, 2008 11:24 PM |
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Not all things a human does are "for best interest" wake up will you?
Can you name one action that a human does that is not "for best interest" (taking emotional benefits into effect, of course)?
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Some people protect their values.
And, all of a sudden - BOOM! - people have values. Sure. No. The reason that murder is illegal is because if everyone murdered, everyone would be worse off, obviously. If everyone stole, people would have to stand outside of their houses with a gun, which would make everyone worse off. If everyone cheated... you get the idea. The point is that values serve a purpose.
But we're getting off-topic.
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TheDeath
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posted September 12, 2008 11:28 PM |
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And, all of a sudden - BOOM! - people have values.
Boom? It's called evolution, mental evolution (if you believe in the monkey-human evolution). Monkeys didn't evolve into humans "because it was in their interest", they didn't think at all about it.
(mind you I'm not believing in that but I'm playing your game).
Why do people have honor? Dignity? Because they don't want to be associated with barbarians like the others. See? Easily. Call it emotional benefit. I don't care.
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mvassilev
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posted September 12, 2008 11:35 PM |
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Why do people have honor? Dignity? Because they don't want to be associated with barbarians like the others. See?
That is indeed one of the reasons, but that is only a reason that developed as a secondary reason because the it was difficult to convince some people of the first reason, and because it is easier. (See my post in the Moral Philosophy thread.) But the first reason is because it is indeed mental evolution. Why is bipedalism developed in humans? Because it helps them use tools, therefore it became part of life. Why are values developed? Similar thing - social evolution. Values help make a society that is better for all who live in it, so they are also a part of life. Simple.
But can we please get back on topic? We can continue this in the off-topic thread.
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Aculias
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posted September 13, 2008 12:22 AM |
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A virgin huh.
Well we can look at William & automatically say he will never have any until he finally grows a beard 
That does not mean it is true
Men women need to know the risks & protection about sex.
Being a virgin is not a bad thing.
Some teen are nervous, some are not ready.
Some have learned about sex education.
All parents worry about their children having sex at a young age because of the possibilities & risks.
Usually teens dont understand what love is.
They think they do but they are usually confused.
Some teens get tricked into thinking they are loved by the other person & sex is part of that love.
In reality it's not always true.
When you find yourself, it helps you to find what you really want.
Love is a feeling is undescribable.(However you spell it )
Sex can also make you fall more in love with someone which can be a bad thing usually.
Love can be used in alot of catagories.
Caring about someone or really loving the other person.
You can feel it deep in your heart.
You can not control your heart. Thats why some people dont use their brain.
Some people confuse love for lust.
Some think love is sex or using them for something.
Love is what you want it to be.
There is no wrong & right answers in that department because everyone thinks about it differently.
Do not confuse it.
Nothing wrong with being a virgin at all.
It's a safe bet.
When you do, just use that noggin of yours.
It's fun & satisfying If done right .
It's not the most important thing in the world.
Love is whats important & there is more then one way to love someone.
Remember, make the right decisions if your a parent or the teen.
Parents should teach their kids the risks.
If parents dont communicate then they will learn from friends & other people.That can be some bad examples.
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mvassilev
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posted September 13, 2008 12:40 AM |
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Usually teens dont understand what love is.
Again,
WHAT IS LOVE???
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Parents should teach their kids the risks.
If parents dont communicate then they will learn from friends & other people.That can be some bad examples.
Well, not necessarily parents (although it'd be good if they did), but at least the school. I mean, we have people who think that drinking bleach mixed with Mountain Dew acts as a contraceptive!
Interesting but related question: what if you got married or got married, and your partner refuses to have sex, ever?
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Aculias
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posted September 13, 2008 01:27 AM |
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I guess you have to live with it, if you want to live your whole life being faithful & never having sex.
What is love.
Who knows. You feel it though in the bottom of your soul though.
There can be numorous reasons why you feel love.
You just feel it & you know it when you feel lit.
I cant explain it because everyone is dif.
You just know basically.
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posted September 13, 2008 01:54 AM |
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WHAT IS LOVE???
My only honest awser to that is someting so deep and so longing with passion(or whatever word you use) that it cannot be described in mere words.
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antipaladin
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posted September 13, 2008 02:08 AM |
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i just wish i havent lost mine the way i did.
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doomnezeu
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posted September 13, 2008 12:20 PM |
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Interesting but related question: what if you got married or got married, and your partner refuses to have sex, ever?
Good question, but extremely easy answer.
You have sex with someone else. Marriage is usually not a thing for "love", it is for the benefits. I gain some, you gain some... Let's get married.
Let's face it, for sex, you have to spend 3 freakin' minutes in a pub to pick up a chick. Why do you need to get married for sex when you can have it anytime you wish for it? Most of all, how can you have sex with the same partner and not get bored?
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Aculias
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posted September 13, 2008 12:25 PM |
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Being married also means you have to stay faithful as well.
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Doomforge
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posted September 13, 2008 12:38 PM |
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Most of all, how can you have sex with the same partner and not get bored?
I heard it's possible.
and for the question.. that's why I'm against sex-after-marriage-only. You should try it before it obviously lol, otherwise you might get surprised after 
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doomnezeu
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posted September 13, 2008 12:45 PM |
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Being married also means you have to stay faithful as well.
that is why people should only get married when they REALLY mean to.
In my retarded country, it has been a habbit of late for retards to marry at the age of 18-20, just for the f*ck of it, without knowing anything, without any life experience, without nothing.
And guess what, after a couple of months, they break up. Thst would not be an issue, sure, but most of them tend to have a child or two before getting separated. Nice life for that kid.
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Doomforge
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posted September 13, 2008 12:51 PM |
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That happens in many countries mate  And yes it's pretty pathetic, but you can't help it.
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TheDeath
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posted September 13, 2008 12:59 PM |
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Let's face it, for sex, you have to spend 3 freakin' minutes in a pub to pick up a chick. Why do you need to get married for sex when you can have it anytime you wish for it? Most of all, how can you have sex with the same partner and not get bored?
Some people are not just after sex as a goal or "fun" in life
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Vexon
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posted September 13, 2008 02:42 PM |
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Being married also means you have to stay faithful as well.
No it doesn't.
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