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PeterFarkas
Adventuring Hero
LeBronTosaurus
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posted January 21, 2011 01:45 PM |
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Or maybe RPE killed your game 
All of them was quite one-sided though.
1. Easy run. Orc hero started with 225 Rage points - no match for even a 25 point Ballista multiplier. The only tactical good point was to block Champions with Cyclopes in order to protect weaker troops from Champion Charge. Advise: If you don't have Machine affinity ring (especially against Orcs), consider if War machines is favorable. It was impossible to negate such a huge rage.
2. The interesting thing that Deleb had Empowered Destructive but the spells weren't the best - Ice Bolt, Circle of Winter (still 648 damage with Icicle) Firewall, Chain and Implo. And Anwen - Shatter Destro with Corrupt and Detain so Deleb wasn't able to kill troops fast. Mistakes were Firewall - it didn't mean so much defense reduction - and not gating with hounds. Avenger did the job: 180+ Overseers killed by 26 Unicorns in one strike, 150 gated Familiars killed by ~70 AAs in one melee strike.
3. The one I could have imagined to defeat Stronghold without Dark was Helmar with his Mass Light spells. But he lacked the most important - Mass Haste and Gorshak had a surprise. The plan was to kill at least Rune Keepers before striking and sendind Paokai's into the enemy army - but with setting Retal Strike (eventually Unstoppable Charge) on them. Lava Drags killed 5 Paokais... but, whoops, Gorshak killed 3 Drags with a strike. Even with fined Resu runes, Resu spell, Mass Endurance and free RM the army was not enough. Chiefs kicking everyone in the a_s_s, Cyclopes and Centas shooting, Sky Daughters Chaining (oh, did I mention they had Refined mana? ) and without Rune of Charge, dwarves were left to deal with troops in their own lines.
4. Now it was shown what can gating do when properly used. Not rushing, just gating while the enemy was simply overwhelmed with reinforcements. Also, a mistake, of using MotW, because Lucretia wasn't able to use PM, so tried MotW Frenzy instead but wasn't able to deal with the enchanced Firehounds just in the face of her troops. Grawl had a fairly good strategy by mass curses and some hellfire first and then weakening strikes all over the place.
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted January 22, 2011 07:06 PM |
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Familiar and vermin mana eater nerfed.
...why would you do that? That's the point of them it's what makes them a target. And it's better for him to whack them instead of your real dps stacks.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 22, 2011 07:23 PM |
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Less arties -> less mana. Sometimes with haven/orcs you get very very little.
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted January 22, 2011 07:31 PM |
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Hmm... still also for the Vermin? I mean they have enough time to take care of them since it's an active and only does half, no? Since I do feel like Inferno kinda needs it... not for the mana but for the drain.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 22, 2011 07:36 PM |
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Show me 
Err not right now.
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted January 22, 2011 07:42 PM |
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Sure we can have a Necro vs. Inferno good luck killing my PoE army while I still have mana to ressurect and debuff. That's before I cast MotN.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 22, 2011 07:44 PM |
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well, it's not like orcs needs much mana, especially if you are playing kragh 
and, maybe it's just me, but despite their poor magic skills, I find Haven pretty tough. I used to almost always beat my friend with them, same with sylvan or fortress.
I think I was usually more comfortable with high defense. sometimes you just get devastated by the initial charge if you have too low defense, and unless you are Elvin, it gets quite hard to win
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 22, 2011 08:03 PM |
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Sure we can have a Necro vs. Inferno good luck killing my PoE army while I still have mana to ressurect and debuff. That's before I cast MotN.
Noob, mass buffs/curses have been nerfed!
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WindlordRyu
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 22, 2011 11:47 PM |
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Let's play a game called "Count the number of mistakes Ryu made":
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=S9UDYLR4
Using MotW instead of Vampirism on the Rakashas was certainly the best move I've ever made in this game:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QD4YCVS7
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Deathy
Known Hero
Angels Galore
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posted January 23, 2011 03:57 AM |
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Well, about our game, i think the bigger mistake of yours was that you didn't utilize your dark magic very well overall, but instead you decided to just counter my mass haste all the time, preveting you from using spells like frenzy and puppet master or any other mass spells almost completely. I know i had anti-magic but you were able to pull off a nice move with the paladins nevertheless.
also not taking expert defense against haven was very risky move, because your units took alot more damage thanks to that. Also that -3 luck all your units had hurted quite a bit
my brutes worked very nicely in that one tho, soldier's luck really makes all the difference in getting assault to work.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 23, 2011 04:11 AM |
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I wouldn't even consider picking brutes
unless your hero was ellaine? I just can't imagine peasants dealing good damage
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Deathy
Known Hero
Angels Galore
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posted January 23, 2011 04:35 AM |
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brutes can do good damage, you just have to help them little bit. after all, you can buy almost 300 of them, with battle frenzy,vitality and all kinds of attack damage boosters, they can become quite good as long as you make sure they don't have to take huge retaliation hit because that kills them. and as i said, with soldier's luck, you can make assault work most of the time and with two hits they can sometimes do quite a bit of damage. tho general guide line is to avoid attacking the lvl 6 and 7 units (tho my brutes did keep the cats down in the game against ryu )
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Duncan
Famous Hero
The Pathfinder
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posted January 23, 2011 09:51 AM |
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Doesn't matter which one (for me), the sooner they die the better. I always have the idea their sole purpose is to feed hero's DV
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted January 23, 2011 01:50 PM |
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Noob, mass buffs/curses have been nerfed!
No biggie Mass weakness will still fry you even with nerfed Suffering/Endurance. Still good thinking on nerfing the de/buffs.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 23, 2011 11:08 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 01:17, 24 Jan 2011.
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Time for some EPIC replays!
First was my attempt at inferno warlock's luck destruction versus orcs, quite an unusual game. I should mention that inferno has the elemental boosters so that its destructive does not suck utterly anymore
Second was snowing BRILLIANT, Joonas is a genious!  His build was so messed up, same for his hero stats, he didn't buy artifacts yet.. just look what happens 
There was another where he fried my @ss with armageddon which I didn't save, maybe he has it. The second replay was my chance for payback!
Will check some of the recent replies now.
Edit:
R2 was hopeless with inferno having zero might skills and sylvan at 18 attack, also it made little sense starting with firewall when circle did so much dmg already. But game would be lost anyway.
R3 and R4 cause my game to crashe  Seems that the game is modified so maybe the reason is I don't have the same map/mod in.
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PeterFarkas
Adventuring Hero
LeBronTosaurus
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posted January 24, 2011 09:14 AM |
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Yeah, I know the firewall was quite an idiot move, I was counting on the defense reduction but when it came to hitting there were no troops that would have been able to.
OK, I'll maybe try the movie maker and uploading it in another format then .sav, it uses a quite huge mod and I didn't know if it could be replayed by the non-mod game.
Edit: Side note for R4. Lucretia had Exp. Enlightenment with good arties and went to war with primary stats 17-11-10-12 and Intelligence. While Grawl didn't have Enlightenment, had 22 ATT and no other stat above 5. Yet Grawl won
Sorry and have a nice day.
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WindlordRyu
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 24, 2011 05:18 PM |
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(tho my brutes did keep the cats down in the game against ryu )
But that's mainly because I was stupid and didn't cast Vampirism on them. If I had casted it, Conscripts probably would've been better.
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Deathy
Known Hero
Angels Galore
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posted January 25, 2011 04:04 PM |
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(tho my brutes did keep the cats down in the game against ryu )
But that's mainly because I was stupid and didn't cast Vampirism on them. If I had casted it, Conscripts probably would've been better.
actually in that situation probably not. don't forget that i had zealots right next to your cats and close to my brutes, the zealots would have purged your vampirism away sooner or later, just like they did with the titans. also conscripts would not have been able to kill the cats like the brutes did, thanks to only having one hit. which would have meant that my shooters would have taken longer in attacking the titans. tho i do agree that generally conscripts are better.
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JoonasTo
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted January 25, 2011 04:37 PM |
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Yeah, I have the arma replay.
That was a case in point of where you DON'T want your griffins to land...
Elvin Dungeon Haven
I have a weird name tagging, Opponent, mine, his, extras
Managed to take out the Angels and Champs out nicely. I was getting beat up by elvin and his god damn mass spelling empathy hero in the meanwhile and then his griffin land right in the middle of the map after a battle dive...
Wasn't much of a game after the next hero move.
BTW.
That dungeon messed up stats hero isn't even rare on me. There's usually at least one that's totally messed up in three duels. Academy with zero def was the time we played before this.
Also got legendary levels of unluckiness at times. Add it to elvin's usual luck and the result is peretty hilarious games. There have been epic times with losses on his side nearly zero.
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted January 25, 2011 06:38 PM |
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Time for some EPIC replays!
First was my attempt at inferno warlock's luck destruction versus orcs, quite an unusual game. I should mention that inferno has the elemental boosters so that its destructive does not suck utterly anymore
Second was snowing BRILLIANT, Joonas is a genious! His build was so messed up, same for his hero stats, he didn't buy artifacts yet.. just look what happens
There was another where he fried my @ss with armageddon which I didn't save, maybe he has it. The second replay was my chance for payback!
Will check some of the recent replies now.
Edit:
R2 was hopeless with inferno having zero might skills and sylvan at 18 attack, also it made little sense starting with firewall when circle did so much dmg already. But game would be lost anyway.
R3 and R4 cause my game to crashe Seems that the game is modified so maybe the reason is I don't have the same map/mod in.
Yoinked!
Hopefully they work on my end.
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