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posted February 18, 2009 03:04 AM |
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Sure. If you have a country full of average people and one with 90% below average (compared to the other one) and 10% ultra-rich, eliminating the 90% will make it look like an incredible accomplishment.
You know, kinda like, instead of curing the patient, you just kill him. No sick person in sight --> healthy neighborhood 
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posted February 18, 2009 03:51 AM |
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So you're saying that America was better in 1960 than in 1930 because it killed off a lot of its population? 
You are really hard to take seriously.
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posted February 18, 2009 05:01 AM |
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Where is the world going?
Its simple,it goes around its orbit.But really i heard that the sun used to spin about 3 times faster million years ago,so maybe in so much time the Earth's day and night will become a little longer and we will have about 122 days.That will produce many changes like going to birthday parties will increase and you can sleep more.
oFfToPIc:in most of the countries there is no middle class,there are rich people who can do what they want and there are poor people.Just like some time ago(where there was a rich family and dozens of other families worked for them just to survive)but now its more regulated and there is more freedom so it doesnt seem as bad as it really is.
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posted February 18, 2009 08:32 AM |
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So you're saying that America was better in 1960 than in 1930 because it killed off a lot of its population?
You are really hard to take seriously.
He's saying that by removing all the bad things, doesn't matter if it's the "right" or "wrong" way, there won't be any bad things; then all must be fine.
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posted February 18, 2009 09:46 AM |
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Why is it that somehow WW2 tends to sneak itself into every discussion .
There is always a post with: Nazis this, Nazis that, Hitler/Stalin this, Hitler/Stalin that, WW2 this, WW2 that.
Don't you guys have anything else to introduce into these discussions?
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posted February 18, 2009 11:22 AM |
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I rated Doom's post last page as the best. Short and concise. I praise also Elvin's positive attitude, it's simply something we need to have these days. If this is lost, I'm afraid all is lost.
With the advancement of science and technology, why would we doubt that we're living in a better world? It's just that nowadays we can learn almost about everything instantly given the Internet, and with bad-news-is-news-good-news-isn't attitude from the press, we just happen to hear bad things more frequently.
A man kills himself and the spectators laugh.
A man runs off with a whole bunch of people's money.
Unemployment is climbing.
Consumerism is rampant.
Bribery and corruption abound.
Children no longer mind their parents.
We can continue the list... as long as possible. But what makes us think they were not there before? And worse?
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posted February 18, 2009 11:54 AM |
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Analogies only serve to change the topic at hand.. And often they are not even accurate and you start arguing semantics again, please stop it.
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Duncan
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posted February 18, 2009 12:20 PM |
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Were they really meant as analogies, or plain examples? At any rate, wasn't my intention to start semantics war here. No further discussion on those quoted texts. Just take the second paragraph of my last post then, that's my whole point.
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posted February 18, 2009 12:25 PM |
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"Evil Triumphs when good people do nothing." If you really think things stink, instead of complaining about it..do something about it. The vocal minority often get their way because they are Vocal. So..lead a million man march, or something to that effect. Sure, things are bad right now, but trust me..no matter how bad you have it people somewhere have it worse.
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Elvin
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posted February 18, 2009 12:32 PM |
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Sorry Duncan that wasn't aimed at you.
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posted February 18, 2009 12:46 PM |
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@Elvin: No worries  Thanks for clarifying.
@Mytical: Second the spirit! If only all people play that song in their head all the time...
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posted February 18, 2009 02:37 PM |
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Indeed. The doom-and-gloom people ignore that for most people, life is better now (not right now, but in the last ten years or so) than it has ever been.
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posted February 18, 2009 02:48 PM |
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Agreed, the world is a lot better than before, and there's much more acceptance in the world. For example, gays, while still frowned upon by some people, are no longer 'illegal' and/or executed. Same for religious freedoms, in most parts of the world you are no longer executed because of your religion (yeah, I know this was a long time ago, but still)
As for the economic crisis, it's not the first time in history it happens, you know. It will eventually end. Not to mention, I read some theories that this 'crisis' is more of a prank or something, don't know if they're true or not though
Those that say the 'old days' were better are mostly conservatives I think
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posted February 18, 2009 03:14 PM |
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Where is the world going ? Good question ... maybe nowhere.
When we say the "world" we actually refer to the human race. So ...
This human race, in my oppinion is a really perverted animal. Selfishness, greed ... these are genetic characteristics we all have, more or less. Here's a good book on the subject - The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins.
And when you think about it and look back through all our history as a race ... it makes sense actually. The irony in this !
We've always had wars, we've always had diseases, that's true, but I see someone in here saying ... "hey, we shouldn't complain about the shape of the world today". Well, this is an obvious form of selfishness. I mean, "hey as far as I am concerned, my life is great, so ... I don't care about the others" ... wrong thinking. If someone wouldn't had complained in the past, we would have still been in the dark ages. There were individuals that said "hey, something is wrong with our lives and we have to make a change". I saw another person saying, "So..lead a million man march, or something to that effect." How ??
That is not a solution, that is just a sentence without substance. The solution would have come by answering the question how ? How to lead a million man march ? How to make a change ?
The phrase ... "don't complain about anything, someone else is living far worst than you". True ... but we can dive a little deeper and say ... hey, we can all live on the streets without a home, surviving from begging and living like an animal (but even animals live better than the beggers) just because it's WAAAY better than the poor souls that were locked up, tortured and executed in Auschwitz for example.
So to summarize, when a group is complaining, that means the system has faults, when more groups are complaining about the system, then it's clear that something must be done. That's why, we are not still in the dark ages today.
Somehow we've evolved as a race but, there are still individuals, there have always been, with the only purpose to enslave others, selfishness. In my oppinion these bastards don't create nothing for humanity, they're like parasites, exploiting the masses, knowing how to manipulate them and how to keep them in line. These guys think, that somehow, the strong have to rule (that is them), and the weak has to obey (these are the masses of course, me, you, we, the slaves !). Example of this "superb" way of thinking ... Hitler and his gang of humanists ... they believed that compassion was a weakness, and the weak should be exterminated. Nice isn't it ? Funny thing, some of them were very fond of classical music ... music -> emotions -> .... hipocrisy !!!
Somebody else said that the principles of Marx haven't been applied yet ... well ... how about Mother Russia ? and the list can continue ... Communism, socialism as Marx saw it, is actually a good thing ... with BAD practitioners. So, it is obvious that it didn't work quite as some would have expected it ... if we look at Russia today, we can say that it can't be considered as "socialist" as it were on Lenin's regime, it's a little more flexible, although the some good old rules still apply.
Capitalism worked ok for a while, but as we can see with this global crysis, which isn't just an economic crysis, but a crysis of the MODERN state as we know it, capitalism is beggining to show it's cracks. The only question is, what will come next ? I don't know really, but as someone said to me in a discussion ... the principles of anarchy were never really applied to their full. Who knows ?
As I see it ... the power in the world is becoming more and more centralized around some few individuals ... just like in a monarchy, were the king was the absolute ruler ... and the modern state as we know it, where the power was supposed to come from the PEOPLE ... well ... not anymore boys and girls.
I could speak for hours about this subject but then ... maybe I should just recommend some books and the all mighty Wikipedia.
PS: Yes we are doing great right now, but things don't seem to go in the right direction from my point of view, the way I see it ... now we are just a sofisticated form of slaves, think about it. Also, people believed that they were doing great in the middle ages until something better came up ! Maybe, it's time for the human race to evolve at the mental level, and overcome the primitive genetic material that makes us.
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posted February 18, 2009 03:38 PM |
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Just to show how "flexible" your points are:
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the principles of anarchy were never really applied to their full. Who knows ?
And according to your logic:
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Maybe, it's time for the human race to evolve at the mental level, and overcome the primitive genetic material that makes us.
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This human race, in my oppinion is a really perverted animal.
Yes I'm sure anarchy is a superb idea .
Dude... If you want to find out wether a shot to the head with a gun would be an instant kill you wouldn't have to actually try it to know it would you?
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posted February 18, 2009 03:52 PM |
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War etc is part of the human psychology I dont think we will ever evolve out of it.
We are very similar to ants in many ways when I think about it, you could almost believe that we evolved from ants but that would be silly to think
But yeah, we are the baddest and most sinister animals on the planet
The world would be so much better without us, unfortunaly I dont want to die
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posted February 18, 2009 03:56 PM |
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Just to show how "flexible" your points are:
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the principles of anarchy were never really applied to their full. Who knows ?
And according to your logic:
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Maybe, it's time for the human race to evolve at the mental level, and overcome the primitive genetic material that makes us.
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This human race, in my oppinion is a really perverted animal.
Yes I'm sure anarchy is a superb idea.
Dude... If you want to find out wether a shot to the head with a gun would be an instant kill you wouldn't have to actually try it to know it would you?
This shows how well documented you are about the concept of anarchy ... give it a go on the wikipedia and then we'll discuss ok ?
Here, let me help you ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism ... just read along and document yourself from now on.
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posted February 18, 2009 03:58 PM |
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@Azagal
The idea is that anarchy is closely tied with evolution. Someday, maybe anarchy will be available, but until then, we continue to evolve and see where new ideas will take us. That's sort of the point.
Centuries ago, people saw nothing wrong with slavery, and democracy was a term as vague and distant as anarchy is today. But we evolved. So, anarchy might be a bullet to the head now, but somewhere in the future... who knows?
I'd just let time take its course and not exclude any possibility.
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posted February 18, 2009 04:00 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 16:06, 18 Feb 2009.
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@Gabis
Well what form are you talking about then hm? Tell you what it doesn't matter because they all have the following incomon (wiki says the same btw)
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Anarchism is a political philosophy encompassing theories and attitudes which consider compulsory government unnecessary, harmful, or undesirable.
Yes... a system without a "compulsory" government. Society will get along wonderfuly .
@Bak
Sorry but I don't have that much faith in the human race that it'd ever be able to evolve in something so sophisticated that would manage to live peacefully without an goverment. The masses will just never reach a certain standard which would secure a minimum of "secureness" to the system. I just don't believe we'll evolve THAT far (dude entire nations living peacefully without an government... we are talking millions of people here. Sorry no way I can believe that's possible. Do you realize how sophisticated people would have to be?)
I realize that people probably said the same thing about a society without racism and slavery 300 years ago but I still think that the step from racism to "all men are created equal" is tiny compared to the level of education you'd have to spread in order to get Anarchy going.
But sure nothing is impossible. I just think it's hiiiiighly improbable.
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posted February 18, 2009 04:02 PM |
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Dagoth:
Capitalism has ensured a temporary peace in some areas, but in other areas it fuels greater and greater wars.
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huh?
People who are on Facebook/Myspace/porn websites all the time.
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Who? Mvass? At least he has a clear idea about what he's doing and people like him might even change things for the better, soon.
Yes, although not in the way he intends. The capitalism that he preaches creates an insurmountable contradiction between the capitalists and the working class, which will result in socialism and a better life for the proletariat.
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If you mean the lazy bastards of today and not the human rights/ environmentalist/ pseudo-romantics of yesteryear, then I agree.
No, I mean those.
TheDeath:
Animals are incapable of human-type interaction. Humans are. That is the critical difference.
DarkShadow:
How can Fascism not be capitalism's last stand?
And economic crises can't happen under socialism, because economic crises are caused by speculative capitalists driving up the price of certain things. Then it crashes. Under socialism, this can't happen.
Kipshasz:
Look on the bright side. Soon, all of this will be over.
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Natural selection FTW!
Natural selection is for animals, not for humans.
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And then the justice system catches up to him and he sits in jail.
This is so naive I don't even know where to begin.
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But this is no crisis of capitalism. This isn't a crisis at all. It's just a bunch of irresponsible panickers yelling that the world is coming to an end.
Irresponsible panickers? Socialists have long predicted the crisis of capitalism, and now it is finally here.
Elvin:
You would have a point if the current prosperity didn't come at the cost of the well-being of billions of periphery residents.
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You have misunderstood this thread as being negative. On the contrary, this crisis is a blessing in disguise, for it will finally enable us to throw off our shackles and embrace the new world.
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