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posted February 19, 2009 03:12 AM |
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I find it very likely that we will destroy ourselves
1% of my mind is saying the same.Ofcourse we might kill ourselfs but it would be when there are galaxies full of human kind and the planet will only be like some country nowadays.
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posted February 19, 2009 08:49 AM |
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Ever heard of Doomsday weapon?Nuke thats supposed to be powerfull enough to detonate the whole earth 
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when there are galaxies full of human kind
I hope that never happens...
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posted February 19, 2009 09:51 AM |
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And what has WW2 and the Nazis to do with "Where the world is going to" these days?
I fail to see the connection here.
And if others fail to see the sense behind an analogy, it is probably the analogy who is bad, not the other members..
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posted February 19, 2009 10:21 AM |
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And what has WW2 and the Nazis to do with "Where the world is going to" these days?
I fail to see the connection here.
And if others fail to see the sense behind an analogy, it is probably the analogy who is bad, not the other members..
If you and others don't see it, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And I won't waste time to explain every little detail in here, I gave some basic pointers in my post, who is interested in the subject, can go to the source and document himself.
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posted February 19, 2009 06:28 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 18:32, 19 Feb 2009.
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Ever heard of Doomsday weapon?Nuke thats supposed to be powerfull enough to detonate the whole earth
I read somewhere that a 27 Gigaton-bomb yield is enough to completely destroy the Earth as we know it (not that it destroys it completely of course, just the atmosphere, ozone layer, and makes it completely uninhabitable etc...). If you think that's too much, remember that 1 Megaton yields are common and the US alone has more than 700 such warheads if I remember correctly (in total there are much more lower yield ones of course).
Plus it would be a matter of time before we get to use anti-matter effectively. 1.25 tons of anti-matter is enough for 27 Gigaton yield. This could happen in many ways of course. One would be "accident" (it's hard to control anti-matter because once your magnetic fields are down it IMMEDIATELY 'annihilates' with surrounding matter). Second would be some fanatics, and third some terrorists who "are doing it for Allah" or whatever.
Btw something funny for those who forgot the dinosaurs tyranny, here
Plus we could always just choose to end this more honorably (and peacefully) than clinging on the last moment, according to some people
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The world is certainly growing. The human race is an amazing species and we will prevail.
That's another one of those concerns. How many species have gone extinct in the meantime? It's not like anyone cares, does it... 
For the record, I consider even Nazis a "species" (a bad one that is).
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And what has WW2 and the Nazis to do with "Where the world is going to" these days?
Tell you what: people said the same thing before WW2. No one listened of course.
I suppose that's not clear enough for you either...?
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posted February 19, 2009 07:19 PM |
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Edited by baklava at 19:22, 19 Feb 2009.
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Plus we could always just choose to end this more honorably (and peacefully) than clinging on the last moment
At first I was like, "What?"
Then I was like, "Well, the idea isn't completely senseless. There might be some reason in it, if they put it the right way."
Then I giggled at some of the caricatures.
Then I went through the text a bit more.
Then I saw that 'Why Breed?' chart.
Then I realized they're kinda creepy, in that cold-and-calculated, quasi-intellectual, quasi-idealist, possible-authoritarian-psychotic-dictator sort of way.
And then I got the idea of a cyberpunk storyline where they'd be the bad guys.
So, in a way... They kinda helped me out in the end.
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posted February 19, 2009 07:22 PM |
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As they say, reality is an acquired taste...
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posted February 19, 2009 07:29 PM |
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@bak: can't be psychotic dictatorship. It starts with the v word
btw that site with the asteroids cracks me up  
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posted February 19, 2009 10:17 PM |
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And what has WW2 and the Nazis to do with "Where the world is going to" these days?
Tell you what: people said the same thing before WW2. No one listened of course.
I suppose that's not clear enough for you either...?
WHAT did they people say that time? Nazis have nothing to do with what the world is going to? Or what else?
And what does this have to do with the CURRENT (and THAT is the question!) situation we have here on earth to do? Do nazis influence your current life? If so, you can be sure to be surrounded by the wrong people...
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TheDeath
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posted February 19, 2009 10:34 PM |
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WHAT did they people say that time? Nazis have nothing to do with what the world is going to? Or what else?
And what does this have to do with the CURRENT (and THAT is the question!) situation we have here on earth to do? Do nazis influence your current life? If so, you can be sure to be surrounded by the wrong people...
This is exactly the attitude that never learns from history/mistakes. Nazis weren't really popular before WW2, yet some people did see that the way it was heading in Germany (after WW1) it was gonna become something bad in Germany. Why would Nazis have to influence me? That's like not even analyzing history but just trying to avoid the EXACT replication, which most times it's foolish. You need to base it on analysis, not on "let's avoid the exact same scenario, if it's a little different, let's ignore it".
By the way I'm not talking about Nazis and the anti-Jew stuff, but about World War 2 as a whole.
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posted February 20, 2009 04:15 AM |
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Seriously, though, some of the responses to this topic are a microcosm of what's wrong with the world.
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posted February 20, 2009 04:56 AM |
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some of the responses to this topic are a microcosm of what's wrong with the world.
That is a serious accusation. What are you referring to?
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posted February 20, 2009 05:08 AM |
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Today, the crisis of capitalism and post-Enlightenment morality is come. The greed of the individual exploitative capitalists and the immorality of the hedonists has finally created such contradictions that they cannot longer be beared...
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greed/selfishness.., People are to greedy or selfish to care as long as they get their piece o' cake
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the problem itself is the attitude we have...
My view of socialism isn't just about changing the economy but the whole perspective on 'consuming' and 'property' (and the abused concept of 'claiming' it).
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capitalistic corruption
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thier action are more selfish
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This human race, in my oppinion is a really perverted animal. Selfishness, greed ... these are genetic characteristics we all have, more or less...
Somehow we've evolved as a race but, there are still individuals, there have always been, with the only purpose to enslave others, selfishness. In my oppinion these bastards don't create nothing for humanity, they're like parasites, exploiting the masses, knowing how to manipulate them and how to keep them in line. These guys think, that somehow, the strong have to rule (that is them), and the weak has to obey (these are the masses of course, me, you, we, the slaves !)
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If I were completely selfish and greedy I'd be a bank robber, and so would everyone else
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posted February 20, 2009 05:19 AM |
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Alright you did a good job quoting some text. The next part you need to do is connect (explain) what you quoted with this:
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a microcosm of what's wrong with the world
And maybe whether you agree or disagree. Are you trying to say that people are selfish and you agree?
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posted February 20, 2009 05:52 AM |
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No, I'm saying that the condemnation of self-interest is what's wrong with our world. Creative men who pursue their self-interest should be praised, not cursed. For millennia, people have sailed into the unknown, both literally and figuratively, motivated by nothing but the promise of profit and the fulfillment of their selfish wants. They were the greatest men humanity has to offer. And now they're condemned. Too often such people are equated with the bloodsuckers posing as businessmen - but who are nothing but leeches masquerading as productive enterprises. But the daring creative geniuses and the money-grabbers have very little in common.
Selfishness - evil? Hardly.
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posted February 20, 2009 07:18 AM |
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Oh boy you really are knee deep in it aren't you.
If you're doing everything from self-interest and think that selfishness is a virtue, why would we all have to act like that? Because you're perfect and everyone on the planet needs to be like you?
Sorry, no deal. I'm not condemning anyone for not thinking like me, so I just don't accept it when anyone does the same.
And about all great men in history doing things purely from self interest... Tell that to Giordano Bruno, Socrates, Jesus, Leonidas, Modigliani, Heraclitus, Jean of Arc and others. Or take a look at the Woodstock festival - they could've earned millions and millions but they made it a free concert in the end.
And you think all the other greatest men, like Da Vinci, did everything from self-interest? Yes, some of them earned money, but most of them did it simply for a living - they earned money to continue their existence; not exist to earn money. And all of them certainly had far greater things in mind than how much are they going to earn and what they're going to spend it on. Because if they didn't have anything greater in mind, they wouldn't even have become so great - they wouldn't be artists or experimental scientists, or practice any of such risky jobs, in the first place.
So I think that backing up your selfishness with the great men of history, unless of course you'd like to compare yourself with Napoleon or Hitler or the Vikings, is completely out of place.
I think that your main problem doesn't lie so much with people who are opposed to your fanatically materialistic beliefs, as with those who just aren't interested in them. Cause there are people which prefer to fill their souls than their wallets.
You can blame us for everything wrong in the world, but you can't change the fact that some people are actually trying to make the world a better place, while you're too selfish - and too busy claiming selfishness is some kind of a virtue - to even care for that.
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posted February 20, 2009 07:24 AM |
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Grrrrr
People sure like to throw that "selfish" word around in these discussions. But people seem to mistakenly use the word selfish when they are really referring to ambition, drive, motivation, etc.
A person can be very ambitious and driven without being selfish. The desire to better one's lot in life is by no means selfish. It only becomes selfish when one has a total disregard for others with no care if they are harmed.
There are a lot of people who are highly ambitious, but only a small minority who are actually selfish.
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posted February 20, 2009 07:27 AM |
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take a look at the Woodstock festival - they could've earned millions and millions but they made it a free concert in the end.
Because everyone climbed over the fence and knocked it down, so they just gave up trying to collect tickets.
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posted February 20, 2009 07:36 AM |
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Edited by Shares at 07:37, 20 Feb 2009.
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@ Mvass
That's not what I meant, it was greed/selfishness/self interest is what has caused many of the problems we have now, that and not caring. When cars started to be made it wass almost only electric driven cars. After some time they started to sell the "normal" cars and people bought them cuz it was way cooler with a car that said "VROOOOM!" that a car that just made a small buzz that you could hardly hear. That and it was cheaper with gas and they didn't actually understand all the consequences. They didn't know that it'd polute earth, well most of 'em didn't, maybe some did. I don't condemn these people, I do not blaim them. All I say is that it was those people that caused most problems we have today. Raceism was caused by selfish people. They went to Africa and enslaved all black people. I can go on, how many examples do you want. Most of them in rescent history I don't condemn or blame, the enslavers and conquerers I actually BOTH blame and condemn. I don't believe for a second that they didn't understand that the black people didn't have the same feelings and that they couldn't think and was only animals. That they told their kids who believed it, who told theirs...
Summary: Mostly people are just carless and don't think things over (or maybe I just have misjudged most humans and their plainly stupid), they do/have done a lot of stupid things because the didn't see the bad things or the reasons not to. Then there are those that do/did see all the bad things (and obviusly the good ones to) that just ignored them and did things out of pure greed, knowing it was wrong and did/do it anyway. That is, to me, the very definition of evil (which you brought to subject).
Sorry for long post and if it seems I am angry/upset. I am completly calm but when I read this I feel I seem upset/angry.
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posted February 20, 2009 08:54 AM |
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Grrrrr
People sure like to throw that "selfish" word around in these discussions. But people seem to mistakenly use the word selfish when they are really referring to ambition, drive, motivation, etc.
A person can be very ambitious and driven without being selfish. The desire to better one's lot in life is by no means selfish. It only becomes selfish when one has a total disregard for others with no care if they are harmed.
There are a lot of people who are highly ambitious, but only a small minority who are actually selfish.
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