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posted August 02, 2010 02:35 AM |
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Let's see on IMDB the worst 20 films:
1. Superbabies: Baby Geniuses 2 (2004) 10,369
2. Monster a-Go Go (1965) 2,874
3. Night Train to Mundo Fine (1966) 3,366
4. Daniel the Wizard (2004) 7,744
5. The Skydivers (1963) 2,024
6. Pocket Ninjas (1997) 1,834
7. The Starfighters (1964) 1,720
8. Ben & Arthur (2002) 4,454
9. Manos: The Hands of Fate (1966) 19,787
10. Zaat (1975) 2,173
11. The Final Sacrifice (1990) 2,083
12. Ram Gopal Varma Ki Aag (2007) 2,033
13. Fat Slags (2004) 1,783
14. Troppo belli (2005) 1,917
15. Zombie Nation (2004) 3,923
16. Merlin's Shop of Mystical Wonders (1996) 2,287
17. Pledge This! (2006) 7,488
18. Track of the Moon Beast (1976) 1,668
19. Kis Vuk (2008) 3,134
20. Emret komutanim: Sah mat (2007)
So to consider a movie old I guess it has to be from 1989 to before and to consider a movie new or new-ish then from 1990 to now.
We have 13 films from 1990 onwards on the worst films and then 7 from 1989 and before. Saying one movie as an example is, like you said, not the best example because I could say that you have crap like Disaster Movie, made in 2004 (It was 24 on the bottom 100 worst films btw), and any of the other films that I mentioned. This doesn't really mean anything though but I just wanted to let you know the general consensus of what a lot of people consider the worst films.
I just think that a lot of people, including myself, just can do without all the fancy effects. Sure, they're nice, but it's just a look. It's like games really. You don't need to have all these new graphics and all to have a good game. I mean, look at Tetris for example or Pong or maybe even some other well known things like Super Mario Brothers 3. The games really look like crap but they are addictive and fun to play and you do find yourself coming back to them every so often after a while. Other games though, you finish them, and you may play them a bit more but after that, where is the appeal? I just see it like that. Avatar, for example, may look great, but the plot is what lets me down. It's not exactly original but originality, these days, is a hard thing to come by especially given the fact that so many things have been rehashed over and over again.
At the end of the day, I just prefer that a movie would have a great story and great plot. That is what does it for me. That is what I find so appealing about Black And White films. They're obviously not going to have anything spectacular in terms of special effects (mostly non existent to be honest), but the story and characters are what do it. That, to me, is what a movie is all about and ultimately why I prefer to see them over newer films.
In saying this, however, I am not saying that all modern movies are without good plot and characters and all that. There are a few rare movies that do stick to the basics of what a movie is all about. They are, like I said, hard to come by which is unfortunate, in my eyes, to say the very least.
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posted August 02, 2010 03:30 AM |
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I've just seen that one :
colorado
was good.
and this one not long ago :
easy rider
interesting too
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posted August 02, 2010 04:29 AM |
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If by "epic" you mean "mind-numbingly boring", then yeah, Stalker is epic. It is, by no exaggeration, the worst movie I have ever watched.
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posted August 03, 2010 01:00 PM |
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Saw Johnny English, and just one word: Epic.
@1910, what if we look at it from the other way? let's look at the top 20 movies people think:
1. The Shawshank Redemption (1994)
2. The Godfather (1972)
3. Inception (2010)
4. The Godfather: Part II (1974)
5. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966)
6. Pulp Fiction (1994)
7. Schindler's List (1993)
8. 12 Angry Men (1957)
9. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975)
10. Toy Story 3 (2010)
11. Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
12. The Dark Knight (2008)
13. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)
14. Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (1977)
15. Seven Samurai (1954)
16. Casablanca (1942)
17. Goodfellas (1990)
18. Fight Club (1999)
19. City of God (2002)
20. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
Then 11 out of 20 are considered new.
And I'm not telling you to only watch new movies, I'm just saying that new movies doesn't have to be crap just because they happened to be made a few years later than your favorite movies.
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posted August 03, 2010 03:27 PM |
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New God of War movie trailer.
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posted August 04, 2010 02:45 PM |
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You shouldn't include the 2010 movies. They will drop from the list soon enough.
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posted August 05, 2010 01:27 AM |
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1. The Shawshank Redemption (1994)
And this is why imdb is rock-stupid, only using averages and the majority opinion. Thing is: the majority is stupid and, while admittedly the shawshank redemption is a touching movie that has its qualities, it still isn't a masterful work that does anything out of the ordinary. Something that is excellent at the ordinary without anything extraordinary should still be worse than the extraordinary that isn't very good at what it does. The extraordinary still has artistic vision, for instance.
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posted August 05, 2010 01:43 AM |
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When I was in the sixth grade, our teacher(ess) (who is now one of the bosses of the school and I really admire her) showed us that movie. I thought it was really good but I hoped that they would show the guy in the movie getting raped.
Back then, I did not realize that the movie was considered one of the best of all time and I would love to see it again.
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posted August 05, 2010 01:46 AM |
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Okay, I suddenly realised: shawshank redemption beat citizen kane
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posted August 05, 2010 02:08 AM |
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I honestly can't make a list of movies that I hate the most because I turn them off if they suck for more than 10 minutes straight.
The worst movies I saw in theaters with the misguided notion that they would be worthwhile was Fantastic 4 Rise of the Silver Surfer and Alien vs Predator 2. Suckage man, suckage.
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posted August 05, 2010 02:50 AM |
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Okay, I suddenly realised: shawshank redemption beat citizen kane
And rightfully so because for me, Shawshank Redemption is one of the greatest films I have ever seen. That and The Godfather. They're not my favourite, though, but they're two of the greatest films I've ever seen and two of the greatest films ever made. That's just my opinion, and, according to what was posted by Carcity, other peoples opinions as well.
Also, Dagoth, you said that the film, Shawshank is not a masterful movie (or something along those lines) but you don't exactly give reasons why other than rehashing the "it's not that extraordinary". What exactly about it do you not consider masterful? What do you think isn't good about it? I'm just curious to know because, like I said, I think it's great and is truly a masterpiece in film making. It just proves the point that you do not need cool effects and CGI graphics in order to have a great film. Frank Darabont is a great director (who also did The Green Mile, the only film to actually make me cry and that was the other day).
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posted August 05, 2010 02:58 AM |
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Time for a hack job
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And rightfully so because for me, Shawshank Redemption is one of the greatest films I have ever seen.
You say it is justified, because you think is is such. YOUR value judgement is absolute? Maybe to you, but not to me and not to standards we should expect from critical thinking or people who have a notion of art.
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They're not my favourite, though, but they're two of the greatest films I've ever seen and two of the greatest films ever made. That's just my opinion, and, according to what was posted by Carcity, other peoples opinions as well.
First you make a statement of fact and then you say it's your opinion. It can't be both.
Also, I have no ghigh opinion of ungrounded opinions, neither of popular and majority opinions, mostly because most popular and majority opinions are unfounded themselves or can't stand critical thinking.
It would be more interesting, if you gave reasons, rather than saying "it's good, because I think it is."
That's a dead argument. Besides, do you think something is good, because it makes you feel good? Do you think the enjoyability of a movie is all that matters? I would say that it matters, but I would say that enjoyability alone does not a great film make.
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Also, Dagoth, you said that the film, Shawshank is not a masterful movie (or something along those lines) but you don't exactly give reasons why other than rehashing the "it's not that extraordinary". What exactly about it do you not consider masterful? What do you think isn't good about it?
I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying it doesn't deserve the highest place up there. We have all seen it before in the green mile (which also had the same writer did it not?). Anyway, the movie is pretty standard to me. It doesn't quite match the starting tone (grittiness of rape and a guard killing an inmate vs that happy ending and how "the bad guys" had their comeuppance). It doesn't quite work as a redemption story, because the protagonist didn't do anything wrong and doesn't need redemption as such.
The morality is very clear and, to be honest, I hate clear morality, because it is so easy to do and highly unrealistic.
Anyway, yeah, it's excellent at being mediocre, lemme tell you. It gives you that nice feel-good ending and it has its moment of suspense done rather well. Just saying: it doesn't deserve to be there.
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posted August 05, 2010 03:08 AM |
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No, I know that people are going to either agree with what I say or disagree with it. What I say is not what is right. It, at the end of the day, is just my opinion. I am not stating anything as fact. Perhaps, to avoid confusion on your part, I should have added at the start "In my opinion..." and then gone on about how they are the two greatest films ever made? I shouldn't need to do that.
It's MY opinion that they're the two greatest films and I'm not making that a fact, but am just saying that is what I, as an individual, think. People are free to agree or disagree with me as they see fit. Please don't misinterpret anything I write.
You want reasons? Well, I think I have already touched upon that before about what I find to be a good film (again, that's just my personal opinion of what makes a film good). For me, they're great because the story is engaging, interesting and keeps me wanting to watch and not turn it off and the characters are very convincing and they're just a joy to watch. The films that can make you feel the emotions of the characters and be able to get within the plot are good movies. Like, for example, The Green Mile. Wild Bill is a good example of a film that makes you absolutely hate that character. He's a villain, essentially, and the film just makes you wish he was dead. A film that can make the viewer (like myself, again, this is just my opinion) feel that, is the sign of a well made movie, for me.
Fair enough that you think it's mediocre. That's your own opinion and I respect that. Just like I can respect people disliking Terminator 2 or Scarface or Reservoir Dogs or something like that. 
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posted August 05, 2010 03:10 AM |
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Let it be known I freaking loved Reservoir dogs.
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posted August 05, 2010 03:12 AM |
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That was the first movie that I bought on Ebay and what a buy. Such a good movie. Enjoyed it from start to finish.
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posted August 05, 2010 03:30 AM |
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Wild Bill is a good example of a film that makes you absolutely hate that character. He's a villain, essentially, and the film just makes you wish he was dead.
True, green mile was good at making him a vicious snow.
I still have to say that I prefer the villain that makes you go "maybe he's right..." for a split second.
If you've seen the merchant of venice (which all in all I didn't enjoy too much, because damn its sappy romance), you've seen Shylock. You see his plight and you've seen how humanly he is portrayed by Al Pacino and I was rooting for him. Note that it isn't because the villain wasn't well-made, it's because I just hated the heroes so much. A good story teller, in my eyes, should take up a villain that is believable and supportable (or at the very least understandable) and contrast him with a hero that is just as believable, but he has to have an edge in a certain hard-to-explain way.
I never like it when they say: the villain is sadistic/ insane, because that comes as lazy writing.
To me a movie should also be intellectually endearing. Maybe it's just because I have been a literature student.
reservoir dogs is one of the films I watched with my brother back when he lived with us again.
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posted August 05, 2010 04:52 AM |
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There's another kind of villain that I prefer and it's the one that gets away. Now, by saying that, I'm not saying that I condone what they do, because I don't, but it paints a more realistic picture of reality in that the good guys don't always win. For example, anybody seen Death Wish? An Architect's wife and daughter come home and are robbed and they are raped by some guys and one of them is then killed and the daughter is traumatised. They get away. The good guy actually does run into them at one point but he doesn't know that they're the bad guys who ruined his family and just thinks they're a couple of punks who run into him. I don't like what they did, in fact, it's a pretty bad scene in the movie, but it's just one of the rare movies where, ultimately, the bad guys do win and are never captured. Reality isn't always like that and it's good to see a movie portray some of the harsher aspects of reality in that crimes DON'T always get solved and some people just are never caught.
In saying that, I also like the villain that you mentioned, the one that does get you to think that maybe he is right and the good guys are corrupt. There's a lot of movies that I have seen that are like that. Oe that sort of comes to mind in that the police are corrupt is The Godfather, where the police come and punch up a guy (it's at the hospital scene). A lot of Mafia movies also make you think that the bad guys are right because the story is mainly about them and you're made to think that the actual bad guys are the cops and the good guys are the mafia or gang members or whatever. I like those types of films. Goodfellas is a notable mention as well as Scarface, one of my all time favourite movies.
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posted August 05, 2010 08:53 AM |
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@Dagoth
I personally consider The Shawshank Redemption a good movie, not the best, but the one, which deserves to be at the top. You can't say the majority is stupid just because of your opinion. If several hundred thousands people voted positively, then only this means something. The movies are made not only for you or me and if so many people said it is good, so it is really successful. It's the case of tastes.
I'm just interested, in your opinion, what film deserves to be at the first position more?
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posted August 05, 2010 09:22 AM |
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I watched Prince of Persia yesterday. Without being a shinning star, it has some epic scenes and the music is at best. Good movie overall IMO.
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posted August 05, 2010 09:31 AM |
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The Shawshank redemption is a good movie, yes, but not the one I'd consider the best movie ever made. Nor do I consider the green mile the best movie either.
They're good yes, but they're just not that epic.
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