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posted October 10, 2009 01:26 PM |
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Iran? Uncompromising.
Korea? Well, there's family meetings between South and North now, but that has been done SOME years ago, so, no, nothing new there either.
China? Anything happening there you would offer a prize for? Anything in connection with the Dalai Lama? Or Formosa?
The Dalai Lama then? Well, no, he's a man of peace anyway - you might give him bonus mile awards currently, but nothing out of the ordinary either.
The Balkans?
Israel?
I think you got it wrong. The price FOR peace is AGAINST any of the above. You know, disidents, human right protectors, ones who provide free help for endangered.
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Russia, maybe? For their extremely peaceful attitide towards Georgia?
Alfa Centauri? Aldeeran? Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
Try reading newspapers first. Yes, these black-white comics with little drawings and a lot of text.
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posted October 10, 2009 01:32 PM |
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Edited by Mytical at 13:34, 10 Oct 2009.
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posted October 10, 2009 01:43 PM |
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Muammar al-Gaddafi
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posted October 10, 2009 02:00 PM |
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Do we have to choose a peace keeper every year?
There is no point really 
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posted October 10, 2009 02:00 PM |
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Just my 2 cents on this.
I think he started an efficient policy..
As being stated by someone before he is actually the first post Cold War american president who made a silent pact with Russia.
IMO the standard US reaction to Iran during the Bush administration would have been...**** em, nuke 'em whereas he made a good chess move by withdrawing the anti missile shield plan from eastern Europe.
Now Russia feels as if they owe the US a "favor" so they will turn the screw on Iran and they will listen.
I'm not a really big fan of his..but that was an inspired move...both economically for the US and strategically on a global scale.
I do think he gets more publicity than he deserves, but this aggressive PR campaign can eventually win him some wars without spending million dollars and more important without sacrificing any human life.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted October 10, 2009 02:47 PM |
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What a joke. A guy gets an award purely because he isn't George W. Bush.
Where's my award?
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posted October 10, 2009 02:51 PM |
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Iran? Uncompromising.
Korea? Well, there's family meetings between South and North now, but that has been done SOME years ago, so, no, nothing new there either.
China? Anything happening there you would offer a prize for? Anything in connection with the Dalai Lama? Or Formosa?
The Dalai Lama then? Well, no, he's a man of peace anyway - you might give him bonus mile awards currently, but nothing out of the ordinary either.
The Balkans?
Israel?
I think you got it wrong. The price FOR peace is AGAINST any of the above. You know, disidents, human right protectors, ones who provide free help for endangered.
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Russia, maybe? For their extremely peaceful attitide towards Georgia?
Alfa Centauri? Aldeeran? Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
Try reading newspapers first. Yes, these black-white comics with little drawings and a lot of text.
Buddy, you DO have the capacity to detect irony, right?
And the one who got it wrong is you. ANYone of those countries who actually DOES something for DE-escalation, peace, compromise, negotiation and so on, is automatically a prime candidate, because it's the crisis regions who needs peace firs and foremost. If ANY Korean leader would do something for de-escalation he would probably get the prize sent to immediately.
That, of course, didn't happen these last year.
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posted October 10, 2009 03:25 PM |
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Since I'm now obligated to post a better alternative to a guy that got elected (I'm sure there's tons of good alternatives out there), here seems like a decent choice:
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Greg Mortenson, a former army Medic and mountaineer, has made it his mission to build schools for girls in places where opium dealers and tribal warlords kill people for trying. His Central Asia Institute has built more than 130 schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan - a mission which has, along the way, inspired millions of people to view the protection and education of girls as a key to peace and prosperity and progress.
But nope. It goes to Captain Lip Service. His accomplishment? Increasing the troops in the M.E. since G.W. was in office. But hey, he opened a dialogue (A DIALOGUE!) with Cuba. Somebody award that man the Nobel Peace Prize or something  ... oh wait...
I'll close it off with that the Nobel serves a glamor-based function anyway, not a whole lot different from a celebrity magazine, so either way it's not a huge deal.
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posted October 10, 2009 04:41 PM |
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Einstein himself was denied the prize for special and general relativity. (they eventually gave him one... but for a minor paper called the photoelectric effect.)
Photoelectric effect, minor? I guess if you call one of the major innovations in scientific thought that paved the way to modern quantum mechanics minor....
In fact, of the four Annus Mirabilis papers - all written in the same year, mind you; thus so much for your "eventually" - probably three of them would have been worthy of a nobel prize. What, were they supposed to award him three Nobels in a single year?
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There is always more than one nominee. Greg Mortenson has been suggested by numerous people around the world by the last few years. You telling me Obama deserved it more than him??
It seems pretty obvious to me that Obama's award is a political FU from Europe to Bush. It's a shame and a travesty. It cheapens the award and it's wrong. If Obama had any honor, he'd refuse it on the grounds that he hasn't done anything to merit it yet. That's nothing disparaging on Obama or to say that he won't some day do something that would earn it - he just hasn't at this point (or more specifically, the point when he had been nominated, a mere 11 days after taking office) been in power long enough to make an impact worthy of the peace prize, and just about everyone knows it. The fact that the Nobel committee saw the need to justify the decision almost immediately pretty much shows that they know it, too.
Of course, this is nothing surprising. The Nobel Prize, and the Peace Prize in particular, is politicized just about as much as anything else. It's just a shame it's gotten so obvious.
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Mytical
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posted October 10, 2009 09:26 PM |
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Unfortunately Corribus, if he turns it down, people would indeed be like the following. "Look at Obama all high and mighty, too good for a Nobel Peace Prize." or to that effect. Even if he said in public that he felt he did not deserve the prize, multiple times, and was as humble as humanly possible about it.
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posted October 10, 2009 09:46 PM |
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Unfortunately Corribus, if he turns it down, people would indeed be like the following. "Look at Obama all high and mighty, too good for a Nobel Peace Prize." or to that effect. Even if he said in public that he felt he did not deserve the prize, multiple times, and was as humble as humanly possible about it.
Phhhf, so long he said: "Sorry, but i have not done anything yet. So who do i deserve it?" Nothing bad could happen.
At the moment his risk is higher to be lynced by some gathering mob, when failing to actually do anything sitting there in the white house.
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posted October 10, 2009 09:56 PM |
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We may never find out, but if so time will tell. For some it doesn't matter what he does, he is either the greatest person in the world or the next Attila the Hun.
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posted October 10, 2009 10:16 PM |
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Imo, too early to give him a Nobel for peace. It should be given after the end of his first government and after all see what he is actually going to do.
Now it's like that: "Oh I got a Nobel prize, thank you very much I represent hope and blah blah blah." Back at his office: "Now let's see... Uhhm... how many troops I send to Afghanistan to defend the interests of the State?"
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posted October 11, 2009 01:37 AM |
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Hahahahaha xD
Giving Obama the SWEDISH nobel peace price is the most epic fail of the year.
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posted October 11, 2009 04:35 PM |
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This is a joke, plenty of political leaders and lots of non-political people in general deserve it far more. It's almost as if they were trying to ride on his popularity, but their bureaucratic process made it drag out...
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posted October 14, 2009 09:25 AM |
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Photoelectric effect, minor? I guess if you call one of the major innovations in scientific thought that paved the way to modern quantum mechanics minor....
In fact, of the four Annus Mirabilis papers - all written in the same year, mind you; thus so much for your "eventually" - probably three of them would have been worthy of a nobel prize. What, were they supposed to award him three Nobels in a single year?
It indeed deserves a prize. But if the photoelectric effect deserves a prize, general relativity deserves TEN.
The Miracle year was 1905. They did not give him a prize until 1921. The timing of it soooo does not interest me.
You know this as well as anyone. Why do you insist on being argumentative?
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posted October 14, 2009 09:38 AM |
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As normal Beck is making a lot of noise over this, and who does he think should get it instead? Himself of course. If that doesn't get a good chuckle....
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posted October 14, 2009 09:43 AM |
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Beck is a braindead monkey who should rather get the award for:
********t host of the year
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posted October 14, 2009 03:26 PM |
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It indeed deserves a prize. But if the photoelectric effect deserves a prize, general relativity deserves TEN.
Why? You think relativity was a bigger, more important scientific breakthrough than quantum mechanics? QM has certainly advanced technology (so far) - and thus the average human life - much more than has relativity. And btw, Einstein's 1905 paper was special relativity, not general relativity. GR was published in 1916.
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The Miracle year was 1905. They did not give him a prize until 1921. The timing of it soooo does not interest me.
16 years is nothing. In fact, it's testament to the importance of Einstein's theories that they gave him the prize so quickly. Even for scientific breakthroughs that aren't controversial - and neither QM or relativity qualify - there needs to be an adequate amount of time to evaluate the breakthrough's importance. The Nobel Prize is supposed to be for discoveries that have an enormous effect on science, and furthermore they have to be tested by time. Consider: the charge coupled device was invented in 1969, and the people who invented it did not win the Nobel Prize for Physics until this year, 2009. That's a 40 year lapse.
Furthermore, it's an incorrect perception that Einstein won the award only for the photoelectric effect, and that his other contributions, such as special relativity, were ignored. If you go to the Nobel Prize webpage, you'll see that Einstein won the award in 1921 "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect". [Source: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1921/index.html] The emphasis above is my own, and the emphasized phrase highlights the fact that he was primarily awarded the Nobel Prize for his general (and wide-ranging) services to physics, with special attention being paid to the Photoelectric effect. Why did the Nobel committee choose to highlight the photoelectric effect and not, for instance, special relativity? Well, I can only speculate, but my guess is that at the time, relativity was still rather controversial and had limited experimental verification. On the other hand, by 1921 it was pretty obvious that the revolutionary quantum mechanical theory was correct due the fact that dozens of people were making both theoretical and experimental advances in the area, and so (again, at the time) the photoelectric effect was already time tested and thus was the more important discovery. Why didn't they give Einstein another Nobel later on? Well, they already awarded him the Prize for contributions to Theoretical Physics, so to give him another award for relativity would be tantamount to awarding him twice for the same thing.
The point being, Einstein wasn't snubbed by the Nobel committee, as you seem to be insinuating. Your original post implied that the Nobel committee took an unfairly long time to award Einstein the prize. This is wrong. Your original post also implied that the Nobel committee awarded him the prize for an inferior discovery. This is also wrong. In fact, bringing up Einstein at all has nothing whatsoever to do with the sham of awarding Obama the Peace Prize in 2009.
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Why do you insist on being argumentative?
Because you were wrong and your example of Einstein made absolutely no sense.
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posted October 14, 2009 03:32 PM |
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what Obama get the nobel's peace price  okay guys , where are the hidden cameras 
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