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fred79
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posted January 16, 2017 03:39 PM |
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frostysh said:
I have a wonderful idea, mr fred79. You need to go in the Syria, and teach this n00bs how to proper hold the AK-rifles. I have no doubts your precious experience will be a very useful there... 
I am joking, do not accept to serious, like the previous users.
you... you were joking? BUT... I ALREADY BOUGHT THE PLANE TICKET! 
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Zenofex
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posted January 16, 2017 07:17 PM |
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You don't need a ticket for Syria, just sign for one of the bombing runs.
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kipshasz
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posted January 16, 2017 07:33 PM |
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Zenofex said:
You don't need a ticket for Syria, just sign for one of the bombing runs.
Heard they've got some AA stuff there. risky by plane. I suggest using h4troll as human shield. 
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frostysh
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posted January 17, 2017 12:47 PM |
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Edited by frostysh at 13:09, 17 Jan 2017.
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phe said:
No one will leave kids and females unattended if danger exists...
Yeah, history of the mass-shooting in the US, that has been done by kids with help of easy pistol is a confirmation for that. I just wonder what can be done, if this kids will use assault rifles and grenade-launchers...
phe said:
by ambush it is easy to recognize by others so cruminals would need to cripple all people in the area and all others who would come for assist when shooting starts...how many of these criminals can survive?
*facepalm* ...
Say it to this guy, and millions like him through the history of modern weapons.
   
"when shootings started" - jesus ... christ. Do you think the office-workers with an assault rifles will have more chances to survive in this mini-war than a criminals, the life of which is consist of violence and this "shootings"?  The Disneyland it is , mr phe...
phe said:
Sport cameras, driveway recorders are very popular all over the world...also common cellular phones with cameras...they are even easier to get than guns...not even really needed...jusr help...
*facepalm*
I think criminals will adapt to your "sport camera danger" 
phe said:
This bully-rogue country doesnt need to know about my order...some countries produced atomic bombs without permission of others...
A country in which if not my own dont have to talk with agendas...this coutry could deter other armies from interference or attack...and all other countries in the world which dislike the bully-rogue country can reveal its crimes and dirty secrets then...
Mr phe, this "bully-criminal countries" have a peoples without gun-hold allow laws, they also have a stable economics, and situation, they also have a professional armies, and secret-services, the direct job of the last one, is to know. So they will know! And in your country will be chaos, and your country will be weak as hell - a super easy target for someone. All your armed civilians will be useless
Mr phe, about your "home made analytic" that is connected to such difficult global stuff, as nuclear-weapon policy is provoking only laugh in myself . In short - you just talking stuff, that you cannot deny, nor confirm, like songs in the some church
phe said:
Laser cannons can be installed on aircrafts or antigravity cratfts which fly above clouds...antigravity crafts as ICBM intercepting crafts would be even cheaper, easier and more effective, wheater invulnerable...
You will have nothing from that list, because your country is no need for the professional army and secret-services, and stuff, which is required for such kind developments.
phe said:
Setting fire at house with gasoline at night is not difficult...slying survivors with flame-thrower and machetes is propably not so complicated too...gives similar results to AK shootings...
With gasoline you need to perform too many actions, that will be pity and risky (and obviously the kid will not do such things), but with the above mentioned device, you just need to aim and push the trigger . Modern weapons, has been made for easy to use for kids .
phe said:
Army, police, secret services, politicians dont solve problems but create them if they are less needed or some businessrs can be done on it...
Utopias cannot survove, bully-rogue countries often collapse to as evil and bsd functioning inside and outside...but I dont talk about utopias but down-to-earth and up-to-space countries of strong economy,good living conditions with eradicted criminality by guns pf people and by efficient goverment...
It's looks like for your describing of this "bull-rouge" countries is fits basically, two of them - US, and SU.
Well, if we are talking just typo in facts, and terms of effectiveness, this two countries is almost unbeatable by the rest of the Earth. And they are survived in the most difficult situations, such as Wars, and Nuclear Dangers. And they are well prepared even for the full-scale Nuclear Armageddon. They have globally changed the history of the mankind, by their deeds. Everywhere on the Earths we can feel their influence. And and so on.
But, you see mr phe, the history known also an examples when the civilians are full armed - the poor countries of the Africa... So depending on this history-experience, but not the ..., ahhm, some imagination that is deserve to be represented in some sci-fi book about utopias . I can make a conclusion, that your model, mr phe, is a little bit, not so good , and probably little bit far from our poor world reality.
phe said:
I doubt that most people of Somalia have guns...
I can an advice, for you, mr phe - DO NOT check it directly .
phe said:
Look at pictures of tsunami results (Sumatra 2004 and Japan), earthquakes on Haiti 2010 and Italy 2016...or on your sent pictures ro see what armies, services, politicians and lobbies of main powers mainly USA led to...
Again you are talking about thing that you cannot prove, or disapprove - just a sophistic, nothing more. Mr phe, I have doubts that you will prove something for yourself, making such ridiculous connection without a single proof.
It is no different from a some religious cult.
The armies, secret-services, politicians, and police departments system, has proved its effectiveness through a history of mankind. They are very effective. But not your pity "civilian army" as replacement for all of that.
In my humble opinion, you are searching answers in the utopia models, but they laid in the conflicts between most effective and powerful armies, politicians, and stuff in the Earth..
phe said:
In many countries people carry guns and there is not a lot shootings...if people didnt carry guns there there would be flood of criminality .. Now we have idiogic ideas, and all these conficts and disastets... Thing that it can work good is utopia...
In which countries, for an exception of the poor regions of Africa, the Afghanistan and such stuff. The most of civilians are full armed?
Mr phe, ~ 8 billions of the peoples is living somehow in this "utopia", yeah, there is some bad moments, and hell places, but your "full armed civilians" is not a solution, it a Disneyland dream, a thing that is far from the reality.
phe said:
I'm laughing at you...tolerating all of these...
I am not tolerating the current situation. But also, I am not trying to find a ridiculous explanations, without any frigging clue, and more important, I am not trying to find Disneyland like solutions, which is possible only in the "Twilight Zone".
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You don't need a ticket for Syria, just sign for one of the bombing runs.
Hey, a nice joke +1.
kipshasz -
Zenofex said:
Heard they've got some AA stuff there. risky by plane. I suggest using h4troll as human shield.
Well, if my life can save the innocent peoples of the Syria from deaths in the horrific suffering, for an example - squashed by ruins of the bombarded buildings, I can think about that...
Unfortunately, it is no so simple.
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posted January 17, 2017 05:53 PM |
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They were rather shootings with few kills...they could be done by gas explosions, pushing heavy trolleys on full of kids downstairs, by knives or physical violence of stronger kids...blame of shootings is on parents not hiding guns properly and on schools which are stressful and unnecessary and expensive place of gathering people...
If all people in vacinity of these picture scene had had guns this assassin would have laid dead a moment after...
Millions rogues got killed in self-defence throughout history...
Weak governments, lack of selfdefence and not common gun possession result in existence of criminals.
Cameras just help to punish rogues afterall...
Now we have ridicolous situation that guns are carried by criminals, not by ordinary people who have troubles after killing criminals in self or property defence...
There is no big countries nowadays with stable economy...huge spendings, debts and policy creating new conflicts not solving old ones...
Job of secret services is to know what doesnt mean they know....
Armed civilians are always very deterrant asset(especially combined with network of antimissile and antiaircraft cannons or swarm of civilian antigravity crafts as ICBM interceptors, fighters and bombers) both for foreign invaders and bad own goverment...remember Vietnam or Afghanistan...
Chaos could be all over the world even in rogue countries...
I see only blind faith in state services when everything indicates they are totally bad and corrupted...
SU didnt survived. USA did a lot bad things killing many innocent people whatsmore it didnt change. USA only postponed its end making things worse.
African people were not fully armed because of poverty...
Current model means poor world reality which can easily be changed by cancellation of debts, implenting new honest goverment, scant taxation and eradication of criminality conducted by new government and armed civilians...
We can easily prove these disasters by public investigation done by independent people...
These armies and secret services only created many conflicts, lied all the time,made debts, killed many innocent people. They have been hiding many useful technologies...
You can call any model utopia...existing one doesnt work good...my model is based on proven basic values with some new becoming vital...common gun possession works in many countries...it is basic right to defend yourself from crime, foreign invasion and from own bad corrupted goverment which fails all the time...
If everybody has a gun on Earth it would be a better place...
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frostysh
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posted January 18, 2017 03:16 PM |
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phe -
phe said:
They were rather shootings with few kills...they could be done by gas explosions, pushing heavy trolleys on full of kids downstairs, by knives or physical violence of stronger kids...blame of shootings is on parents not hiding guns properly and on schools which are stressful and unnecessary and expensive place of gathering people...
And why this kills has been done with using of the firearms, but not a gasoline, or a farm tractor? Moving little bit further, I can say that the main reason - easy to use. You see mr phe, well motivated terrorists can use almost anything that have energy to kill an unarmed guys, with unexpected attack, they usually using this devices, because to GET a weapon is little more hard. But if they can get manufactured military explosive stuff, without much of suspicions, or a grenade launchers, they will. And numbers of victims will be much more larger, because this devices is actually made for a killing of homo sapience, not like a gasoline or farm tractors.
Well, if the all civilians will be like that
Perhaps, they will have some chances, in that "mine-war" against crimes
So the schools is a.., so we no need a schools, a police, an army and this poor politicians, but wee need to arm with firearms every civilian on the street - This is, this is an amazing idea .
You know, mr phe, there is a russia-language singer, the some songs of which I very liked, Victor Tsoi, he had a nice song with a band that called "Keeno", the name of the song is "Mama Anarcheya", which is means "The mother-anarchy"
This is actually the song about your model of society, mr phe .
I am sorry mr phe, but I will rather stay with my own model of society, where the school, is the almost irremovable component of society that is have main influence on the potential of the society, that is including a cultural and scientific-reasearch potential, and stuff, and with no doubts a mega necessary component.
phe said:
If all people in vacinity of these picture scene had had guns this assassin would have laid dead a moment after...
Well, in the hollywood movies, maybe, but in the real life, the mob after hearing a shooting, and seeing a dying in a horrible agony bodies, will run away and scream, regardless of they will have firearms, or not. If you look carefully, on the picture of shooting this guy, you can remark, that this guy have an assault rifle. But what a difference, between a target with an assault rifle, or without? Well, in general there is no difference, and the soldiers is a very-well aware about that. Even if a single soldier, from a group of soldier falls on the ground with a very unhappy face, that describing his/her horrific state, and the sounds of shoot has been heard. This group of soldiers will start running, falling on the ground, and they will feel a huge fear.
So what a difference between this professional soldiers, and a full armed mob of civilians? Well there is a lot of differences. For an example the soldiers have a uniform, so they can very fast distinguish who is ally who is not. Usually the soldier in the stress situations, such as above mentioned shootings, will open fire into anyone that have a gun, and that is not an "ally", just to save their own lives, and do not repeat the fate of their unlucky fella. As I said, many times, the soldiers, usually in such situations, have no time to think for too long..
The mob will do the same, but with a little bit different result, because as I have already said, they have no uniform, so with almost 99% guaranty, someone will start shooting into another guy - and the massacre begins! I am sorry... Till that time of chaos, shooting, and suffering, the actually guys that had start it, just go away... As it usually happens.
phe said:
Millions rogues got killed in self-defence throughout history...
And usually, because the rouges have no expect a full armed opposition from the civilians. But in the poor areas of the Africa, for an example, the situation is totally different, rouges is a full armed, and they expect a full armed resistance, so they shoot and throw grenades and then askin a questions... And the millions of victims from that.
phe said:
Weak governments, lack of selfdefence and not common gun possession result in existence of criminals.
Well, if government law-ordering system is weak, this is one thing, usually common for a poor and weak countries. The corruption, and stuff. But the arming of the civilians will not solve the situation, but that will create a new Mogadishu ...
phe said:
Cameras just help to punish rogues afterall...
In combination with a good police departments - Yeas, it is. For an example, the police can distinguish the peoples that participated in the pedophilia movies, not only by their faces/eyes, but the other parts of bodies, and then catch and punish them.
phe said:
Now we have ridicolous situation that guns are carried by criminals, not by ordinary people who have troubles after killing criminals in self or property defence...
As I said, your thinking is too local, mr phe, <imo>, to realize some pros and cons of allowing for the everybody in the country to care a gun on the street, you need to think more globally.
phe said:
There is no big countries nowadays with stable economy...huge spendings, debts and policy creating new conflicts not solving old ones...
Well, particularly, I agreed with you, mr phe. But this is not taking off the fact that they have a power. A huge power.
phe said:
Job of secret services is to know what doesnt mean they know....
phe said:
This bully-rogue country doesnt need to know about my order...some countries produced atomic bombs without permission of others...
*facepalm*
And do you think, that a particular mr phe is know situation about nuclear stuff on the Earth much more better than a secret-service of US, SU, or CPR for an example. Who knows, maybe it is so . But obviously, name "secret" is means, that if this guys is know about something, I have doubts that they will report directly to you, mr phe .
phe said:
Armed civilians are always very deterrant asset(especially combined with network of antimissile and antiaircraft cannons or swarm of civilian antigravity crafts as ICBM interceptors, fighters and bombers) both for foreign invaders and bad own goverment...remember Vietnam or Afghanistan...
*facepalm*
Mr phe, the anti nuclear carriers defense systems has a crucial difference from your Disneyland. It is a word system, which is means something well-structured, well organized, and that because is a very effective. you " civilian craft - is a circus, an utopia dreams, nothing more.
MR phe, Afghanistan and Vietnam - This is a VERY, bad examples that you have choose. The whole wars there, as in the many other paces, was on 99% manufactured by a powerful, as you called "bull-rouges" governments. The 99% of the weapon systems that used in this war is manufactured. in the sky of Vietnam SU and US pilots, killed each others, in the lands - SU and US soldiers killed each others, and so on. And civilians there, with weapons, was no more civilians, there were soldiers on this war... Well, even if they have no weapons, they were soldiers/victims too, regardless of their own decision Yeah...  .
 
Afghanistan was the same, and probably is ... .
phe said:
Chaos could be all over the world even in rogue countries...
The powerful countries, is far from as easier to destabilize as the weak ones.
phe said:
I see only blind faith in state services when everything indicates they are totally bad and corrupted...
And I see almost total Disneyland in your model of human society . So what?
phe said:
SU didnt survived. USA did a lot bad things killing many innocent people whatsmore it didnt change. USA only postponed its end making things worse.
Oops. I have always forgetting that SU is gone, I always though that it is only changed a name . Well, about the killed innocents, I agreed. But about a end of mankind, you are little bit too fatalistic, mr phe .
phe said:
African people were not fully armed because of poverty...
Well yeah, in the poor regions, the guys that have nothing to eat, usually have not have AK-rifles, because if they have they will kill the other guys with it, and obtain a food. Or a bodies for food .
So they are doomed to search luck in the other "business", which is even worst.
phe said:
Current model means poor world reality which can easily be changed by cancellation of debts, implenting new honest goverment, scant taxation and eradication of criminality conducted by new government and armed civilians...
Or, it is just your dreamed utopia, which I have already exposed, and it is almost unrealizable in the real world. Same as nation-guys utopia, or the commy-ones .
phe said:
We can easily prove these disasters by public investigation done by independent people...
Or we can make a chaos, nonsense and anarchy.
phe said:
These armies and secret services only created many conflicts, lied all the time,made debts, killed many innocent people. They have been hiding many useful technologies...
Well, I guess they can create a conflict if they will be ordered to do so. . But I think full armed bucket of civilians, will be no less dangerous, especially equipped with the "antigravity crafts" .
phe said:
You can call any model utopia...existing one doesnt work good...my model is based on proven basic values with some new becoming vital...common gun possession works in many countries...it is basic right to defend yourself from crime, foreign invasion and from own bad corrupted goverment which fails all the time...
Nah, I will call only a particular models of society, that I think sux.
I repeat again, I not know any rich country where assault rifles allow on the street. Same as other firearms. Basic rights it is cool, but this is have a poor connection to the utopia with "civilian army against crimes" .
As I said, before your "armed civilian" will be useless against bombers, and missiles that will turn your country into a junkyard with speed of sound. And to rebuild it, you will need a hundred of years..
Mr phe, PLEASE Watch the hollywood movie - "Fail Safe" made by 1964 year A.C. <imo> You can find there, HOW THE EFFECTIVE SYSTEM WORKS. When the clocks ticks by hours, and you need to be effective and quick as hell. You need to make a quick decisions, you need to make a RIGHT decisions, because if you will not - the few billions of peoples will found themselves in the Hell itself. This is IMPOSSIBLE to be done by a non-organized bucket of the armed civilians.
phe said:
If everybody has a gun on Earth it would be a better place...
In the Disneyland of mr phe, perhaps, but not in the real world.
"The guns have no single care about who and how using them." - frostysh 2017AD
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phe
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posted January 18, 2017 08:45 PM |
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Edited by phe at 21:10, 18 Jan 2017.
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These shootings were caused by mind control because evil authorities are affraid of guns...number of shootings would be much lower without mind-control...There is a lot of violence resulting in deaths caused by physical force, knives, baseball-clubs...no big diffrence...
Schools cost a lot, are backwarded, unnecessary gathering of people from various parts of society...stress, conflicts, bad teaching...Schools indoctrinate pupils with backwarded and harmful ideas, culture and science...reluctant to changes...first universities of 14th century Italy were the same... way to school and back is dangerous, expensive and time-consuming...if you like schools pay for them please only from your money...
If we eliminate criminals we will have no terrorist as well...we know who is a criminal..there is only few days needed to kill them all...no more problems...
terrorists are usually effective only against unarmed and unprepared people...if people had guns terrorist would lay dead rightaway...
As you know "proffessional" army can sell guns, explosives, rocket-launchers or even suitcases with A-bomb inside to criminals and terrorists... So armies do wars, terrorists atacks to sell stuff and pretend protectors...
I support monarchy with wide freedom for people, good economy and eradication of criminality(no terrorists by the way)...
Unarmed mob flees...armed mob returns fire..why should it not to...
A drone or uniformed man should call for cease fire and take all participants for investigation and judgement...who will not drop gun will be shoot at...In places where is high criminality self-defence groups are created (Mexico). People there all should have guns...some patrols calling whole village in arms when danger spotted...
Criminals are are easy to recognize even by a mob because they are attackers and usually look shady...
I haven't heard so far about such a shooting massacre of everybody shooting to everybody...
There is no good will of solving problems in Mogadishu...propably still to few people have guns there...propably only criminals have guns there...
Carring guns is good both locally and globally protecting yourself, family, neighbours, other people, your country, eliminating those who can be criminals and terrorists in other place or abroad...
Huge economies on brink of bankrupcy...already bankrupted in politics...having a lot of angry citizens, ethnic clashes, a lot of foreign enemies...
I found out many secrets in some extraordinary way by little engagement in politics facing total overuse of power and authority...
It's better to know all of these and it is enough...
Anti-nuclear carriers could be automatons programmed and controlled by manufacturer and government...civilian antigravity crafts intercepting ICBMs could be extra protection...they could easily fly even into space to shoot down ICBMs...
Anyway people of Vietnam and Afghanistan have shown that bigger enemy can be beaten...sadly North Vietnam people chose wrong ideology and wrong side...In Vietnam percentage of foreign soldiers among Vietkong was low...some pilots and special forces...In Afghanistan(1979-89) there were not too many US soldiers...mainly equipment support...
SU and Russia are as much as gone...weak economy...corruption and criminality...more and more conflicts...obsolete weapons...puppet of USA and of all lobbies...
I haven't mentioned end of mankind...
Killing is not neccessary to obtain food...but farming and plant gathering...however hungry African can eat those who try rob them...
If criminals and troblemakers will be eliminated from society, people in antigravity crafts will be dangerous only for foreign invasion and own government if becomes bad and corrupted...
We can make order, sense, true justice and monarchy...
No big diffrence between simple guns and assaulting rifles...in Israel rifles are carried in public places...when people have guns at homes number of breaks-in to houses drops(USA)...A lot of people have rifles in Switzerland and Finland...low criminalty rate there... could be the same or lower all over the world...
After WW2 destroyed countries were rebuilt in 10-20 years...
many Soviet aircrafts were shot down in Afghanistan...
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posted January 20, 2017 07:24 PM |
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phe said:
These shootings were caused by mind control because evil authorities are affraid of guns...number of shootings would be much lower without mind-control...There is a lot of violence resulting in deaths caused by physical force, knives, baseball-clubs...no big diffrence...
so if in the US, for an example not a 80 millions of peoples will have a guns, but a 350 millions, this will make mass-shooting more rare.
Interesting theory, mr phe, what a ... factors caused you to think so? .
About mind control - again what kind of mind control? Patriot-banners? Or what? or you again talking about something like a religious miracles, that cannot prove nor disapprove.?
This is a big difference between knifes and modern militar firearms, i.e. With the knife, kiddo can kill/wound only a few peoples by few second will the all of his/her desire and skill, but with an assault rifle - a few dozens from not a close range.
phe said:
Schools cost a lot, are backwarded, unnecessary gathering of people from various parts of society...stress, conflicts, bad teaching...Schools indoctrinate pupils with backwarded and harmful ideas, culture and science...reluctant to changes...first universities of 14th century Italy were the same... way to school and back is dangerous, expensive and time-consuming...if you like schools pay for them please only from your money...
And do you think, if the 100 millions of kids will be rid off from the schools, they will be more safe, they will have less stress, and they will be educated elsewhere? What they will do with all this time? Perhaps they will play with allowed by you, mr phe, military guns?
Well, to compare the effectiveness of the societies with schools, you must first to find a society without - Afghanistan will be perfect
Maybe, mr phe, you should live for some time, in the country where is no schools, and then talkin about its effectiveness?
Regardless of the all propaganda in the schools, I think the education from an early years helps to resist mass-control stuff. Even if the kiddo do not want to learn, and just sitting in the lessons, some information will be remembered.
In addition to that schools giving a very important skills for humans, to feel good in the modern society.
phe said:
If we eliminate criminals we will have no terrorist as well...we know who is a criminal..there is only few days needed to kill them all...no more problems...
terrorists are usually effective only against unarmed and unprepared people...if people had guns terrorist would lay dead rightaway...
If - this is a crucial word mr phe . And then the question "how" will appear. How do you want to eliminate a highly-conspirated criminals and terrorist? Or do you think they will walk on the street with a labels I think the civilian mob with a guns, is a perfect place to hide .
Mr phe, what difference if the target of the attack will be a civilian mob with guns, or without? There is almost no difference for an attackers. The gun will not save you from the shrapnel, bullets, explosive, and trucks. The soldiers is already know that. That because they usually shooting anything suspicious in the stress situations, and then thinking. Because modern weapons will left no time to think, this is not like a spears, swords, or knives.
As for myself, I think you have never hold the gun in your life . As I am too, I am a pacifist . I am joking...
phe said:
As you know "proffessional" army can sell guns, explosives, rocket-launchers or even suitcases with A-bomb inside to criminals and terrorists... So armies do wars, terrorists atacks to sell stuff and pretend protectors...
That because you need a professional secret-service.
And do you think, if the civilians will have all this weapons, they will not sell to the terrorists . ?
phe said:
I support monarchy with wide freedom for people, good economy and eradication of criminality(no terrorists by the way)...
Mr phe, for the monarchy is almost impossible to be an effective with the all of this complexity of the modern societies, and its size. It is impossible for the single man to control all of that and to be effective. And a single man have many biases, and high chance to made a mistake that will lead to the Armageddon itself .
The monarchy stuff already ineffective for a long time...
phe said:
Unarmed mob flees...armed mob returns fire..why should it not to...
Well, lets us to see an example.
frostysh walkin on the street, where is a lot so humans walking too, almost all of us have a guns. We are peacefully walking. Then someone take his/her gun, and preapering to shoot, and I think that the shoot will be near at my direction...
The reason, why this guy take his gun can be a very different, i.e. he/she have spotted a suspicious guy - "a terrorist" and want to eliminate this threat . This is have no matter.
And the second, mr phe is ticks on, I will count from a zero-time, ~0,3 s - I have start to react on the action of this guy, that is preparing him/her-self for a shot. 1 s - I feel a disturbance/fear that I will never be alive anymore, I will never see the peoples that I love (well, in the frostysh case, it is little bit more different, but this is do not matter ), I fear to feel how my lungs, hear or a skull crashed by a bullets. ~1,3 s I remember that I have a gun, too . . ~1,7 - 2 s I start preparing myself to shoot automatically, because of the instincts to survive. . . ~5 s dozens of the peoples lays on the ground, screaming and crying.
The mob with guns mr phe, this is not a group of the professional soldiers. The end of story.
phe said:
A drone or uniformed man should call for cease fire and take all participants for investigation and judgement...who will not drop gun will be shoot at...In places where is high criminality self-defence groups are created (Mexico). People there all should have guns...some patrols calling whole village in arms when danger spotted...
This ridiculous stuff is confirming that you will need a many police departments (because the investigations, is a not simple work.. you need a professionals there), and drones, because there is alot of the peoples on the street with guns . This is fun, but you, mr phe, debunking your own theory by yourself.
To build such effective drones, you need a professional military-research stuff . That's all required an organization and protection. Which is lead us to the deployment of the secret-services, and professional army. Again .
And, again mr phe, stop shooting by "call anyone to cease" it is a little bit, how its to be said - not a very good idea, if you have no group of professional soldiers or the APC on you back to cover you with a huge cal. .
You just demaskin your position, and then you will become a target . I am joking. But I think , this "drones" or an uniformed mans, will be shredded by bullets and shrapnel first of all .
What village, mr phe What a frigging village? A 20-million cities such as New York or a Moscow ? With a density of population ~ 15k / sq. km Are you frigging kidding me?
In the poor-rural areas of the Africa, indeed villages and/or the "tribe-villages" have a many armed mans (almost all) to protect themselves, or they just "pay" (well, what a good the villagers have .. you may ask, themselves, and their kids, for an example...) to the local gangs. But I have doubts, that you want to live in such conditions, mr phe...
phe said:
Criminals are are easy to recognize even by a mob because they are attackers and usually look shady...
I haven't heard so far about such a shooting massacre of everybody shooting to everybody...
I think you have saw not a many criminals in your life... If all of this, may be so easy, we are no need for a good detectives, police, and stuff. If you think that any criminal gang-member, can be recognized by his/her tattoo, you are terribly wrong...
That because not enough witnesses lefts that want to speak, at least in the one single part D:, after such shootings ... . Mr phe, I suggest you, just make a tour through a problem regions, and do not ask such ridiculous questions... Even a military guys, sometime shooting anything in the range, including their own, well recognized allies .
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There is no good will of solving problems in Mogadishu...propably still to few people have guns there...probably only criminals have guns there...
Did you have asking the peoples in such places, Does they care weapons in their houses or not ? Try...
Do you think, if you not seeing in your news-channel the mob with AK-rifles, and/or RPGs, something have changed? I can assure, mr phe, almost everywhere on the planet Earth, where was a military conflicts, and the poor quality of life persist - the most peoples have a guns. Especially the ones, that is not slaves/sex-slaves etc... You can images some Western movie but with the field artillery, trucks, and guns everywhere. The beautiful legacy of the Cold War 
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Carring guns is good both locally and globally protecting yourself, family, neighbours, other people, your country, eliminating those who can be criminals and terrorists in other place or abroad...
Nah, this only you said so.
The mob with the guns will not protect the country from a bombers/rockets of the regular army, that will quickly turn its to the junkyard for a hundred of years. Even intervention is no need, you country will be "disabled" and turned into an incredible suffering and chaos, and will be no threat anymore.
The mob with guns, is useless against terr. attacks to, due to the obvious, and above mentioned reasons.
The mob with guns is useless against the criminals. Because they cannot distinguish, who is who. You need a police for that.
So what we have - the full-armed citizens is a far more dangerous for themselves, than for the threats of the country. that because through an evolution of the human civilization, society with a full-armed peoples sux. And represented only in the poorest/baddest regions of the planet for today.
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Huge economies on brink of bankrupcy...already bankrupted in politics...having a lot of angry citizens, ethnic clashes, a lot of foreign enemies...
Well, when they will be already collapsed, then you can talk about something. Before that will happened, any nonsense about "we are doomed" is useless. <imo>]
In the human history, entire civilization was on the brink of the total catastrophe - Cuban Missile Crisis, and what?
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I found out many secrets in some extraordinary way by little engagement in politics facing total overuse of power and authority...
It's better to know all of these and it is enough...
I have no doubts, this is not another mystification, mythologization or the imagination of the someone. As for myself, I like to include the factor of the "truth" of an information, I mean - my possibilities to check its for truth. And in the cases of the conspiracy/geopolitics and stuff - this factor is near a zero. Nothing different from the successfully Resurrection of the Holy Jesus Christ . Because of the obvious reasons.
But I hope, such person as you is far more better in this case . Do not accept this as a trolling. But you see, mr phe, you already have a few times said about the thing that I have doubts that you have some knowledge in this things, well for an exception of your imagination, I have nothing about imagination, it is good, and cool, but sometimes it is represented what we want to see, to feel, but not the real world, as it actually is
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If someone said a "secret about a secret" to you. This is not means that this is a truth, automatically. And if a low amount of peoples know something about, this is not means that this something is a truth, automatically, and this is not means that this peoples are not foolished by someone. If the human has been tricked by a lie, he/she start to spread this lie, and he/she think - that this is a true! I was many times a witness of such habits, when I was a kid, and told the "stories" to the other kids, which was a totally imagination of mine, but in which I believed. And then, this kids, spreads the stories as its true...
Sometimes, that played a bad joke for myself . Anyway, I not have a habits to lie, for a very long time anymore.
You have said, that you know about nuclear-weapon research of the some countries, of which the other countries is not aware.... Which is little bit super naive, or just a lie. To know about such thing, you need to be directly connected to the nuclear-research centers, which is false, because you have access to the internet, or you may be included in some secret-service, that is involved into an investigations of such kind - which is more likely false too.
So I can make my conclusion, that you have build the picture of the world, as you liked it, in your head. And you will be never able to check it for truth, mr phe, this is always will be only in your imagination, regardless of what actually happens in the world.
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Anti-nuclear carriers could be automatons programmed and controlled by manufacturer and government...civilian antigravity crafts intercepting ICBMs could be extra protection...they could easily fly even into space to shoot down ICBMs...
The opposing government will steal this technologies, and make a successful counter measure. Because your mob on gravity-"things" have no secret service or the army to protect such technologies.
And this will be the end my friend - like in the song of band "Doors" - "The End" . .
Mr phe, as depicted in the cool movie "Fail Safe" the year o 1964 AD, you can see that nuclear-explosive carriers have a decays, hell bucket of the other counter-measures, and they are fast as hell. So you can imagine, as your civilian mob sitting 24/7 at a radar-monitor, or a satellite terminal, and looking for a threats, and then they saw 1 000 of rockets that after 1 hour will fall on their country, this rockets is using your antigravity technologies too .
But then this 1 000 of rockets will be quickly turned into a half of mullion of false targets "decays" + warheads. You civilian mob, just will die from a heart disease because of stress .
Whahhahah. A frigging Disneyland... I am sorryy.
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Anyway people of Vietnam and Afghanistan have shown that bigger enemy can be beaten...sadly North Vietnam people chose wrong ideology and wrong side...In Vietnam percentage of foreign soldiers among Vietkong was low...some pilots and special forces...In Afghanistan(1979-89) there were not too many US soldiers...mainly equipment support...
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That because mr phe, of agreements of professional governments of NOT using many kinds weapons in the local wars, such as biological, nuclear, etc... Why US just not wiped off the whole Vietnam for the face of Earth with a nuclear explosive? Because that may be a very bad precedent, and SU have a hell effective nuclear arsenal too.... Why SU have not wiped of a whole Afghanistan from the face of the Earth. Due to the same reasons. But not by their kindness.
Mr phe, as I said, this two wars - was a standard circus , peoples suffers and dying for nothing, just for fun... And not the Vietnam won the war, peoples of Vietnam and CPR altogether with SU won. Not the Afghanistan won the war, the US together with the peoples of Afghanistan won. This is a VERY different from what you saying.
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SU and Russia are as much as gone...weak economy...corruption and criminality...more and more conflicts...obsolete weapons...puppet of USA and of all lobbies...
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Killing is not neccessary to obtain food...but farming and plant gathering...however hungry African can eat those who try rob them...
In the Disneyland, perhaps, but not in the real Africa, where even a water for drink, in some places is a hard to obtain. Especially if you do not want to "cooperate" with those who holds this water supplies.
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If criminals and troblemakers will be eliminated from society, people in antigravity crafts will be dangerous only for foreign invasion and own government if becomes bad and corrupted...
You are forgetting that a criminals and all this shooters, maniacs, terrorists, actually is a civilians too and obviously a part of society... As I said, the regular army with antigravity-things will squash your mob, even without using of a mass-destruction weapons. Flying - this is not hiding in the jungles.
Mr phe, from the ANCIENT times peoples know that they need for a regular, professional army to protect themselves, they need for a good police to keep a law. Ancient Roman Empire - Ancient Egypt - Ancient Chine, a very good examples.
Spears, assault rifles, antigravity crafts - this is not matter. You need the professional army, as in the past, as in the present, and hell I think this will not change in the future
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We can make order, sense, true justice and monarchy...
And chaos and a new Somali/Guinea . Because such utopia is almost impossible in the real world.
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No big diffrence between simple guns and assaulting rifles...in Israel rifles are carried in public places...when people have guns at homes number of breaks-in to houses drops(USA)...A lot of people have rifles in Switzerland and Finland...low criminalty rate there... could be the same or lower all over the world...
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LOL, mr phe ... In the all of this countries is a PRO-armies, POLICE-forces ( a very effective police-forces...), and stuff. In addition you are comparing little bit different by power countries. US is better to compare to SU, or CPR. And more important if you may be a citizen of the all of this frigging countries, I have no disrespect, I just so exited , and you will bring your frigging gun into a street, holding it with yourself, and walk with it, even if it will be not a frigging assault rifle, HELL you will have a problems and you will pay a huge attention by a police forces.
About a high density areas, I do not want even talk... 
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After WW2 destroyed countries were rebuilt in 10-20 years...
many Soviet aircrafts were shot down in Afghanistan...
This is because the cities were small comparing to the modern ones, as a New York, or a Moscow, second - was no such powerful weapon systems, as today, and was no extensive use of the nuclear explosive.
The correction, a many Soviet aircrafts were shot down from a US/Su manufactured weapons in the Afghanistan, and probably by US-specialist ... . The mob with guns will do nothing against a regular army airforce - they will be just a targets. Their country will totally turned into a junkyard. Infrastructure, economics, anuthing. I do not want even talk, about a numbers of victims, which will be colossal, and the country that will do all of this, will be fine till all this time, and will be peace there, because the mob with the guns is useless as attacking force, only as a terrorist sneak attackers. .
Mr phe, In the any cases - you need a professional army and stuff, see?
P.S. Some countries, are not rebuilded after a W2 even for today, , I am joking...
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so if in the US, for an example not a 80 millions of peoples will have a guns, but a 350 millions, this will make mass-shooting more rare.
Interesting theory, mr phe, what a ... factors caused you to think so?
criminals have guns and some honest people have guns...if all honest people have guns...more likely eliminating criminality and potntial shootings...less violence of other kind...more likely that bad government doing mass-shootings by mind control will be overthrown...
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About mind control - again what kind of mind control?
remote control of human brain and behaviour...remotely reading and implementing thoughts, emotions...
you can have my testimony...many other people can testify too...
driving car into mob in Melbourne yesterday could be example...
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This is a big difference between knifes and modern militar firearms, i.e. With the knife, kiddo can kill/wound only a few peoples by few second will the all of his/her desire and skill, but with an assault rifle - a few dozens from not a close range.
Worst mass shooting caused by "kids" was
Westside Middle School massacre from March 24th 1998
(2 perpetrator aged 12 and 14; 5 victims)
5 victims could be the same by knife attack; for sure by mind-control any shooting indictaes that it should be home-schooling instead of expensive and dangerous schools...
home is usually safier place than school and way to school and back...
guns are allowed for adults not for kids...it's adults responsibility to keep guns in safe place...
I would prefer a country without schools and without taxes for schools but with plenty of jobs, good business environment, and perspectives...why shouldn't I all learn at home reading some books and sites for true knowledge...
would you like to go now to monastery school...nowadays schools are like monastery schools(red-tape propaganda) to that what could be...anyway schools are obsolete and too expensive, dangerous etc...
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If - this is a crucial word mr phe . And then the question "how" will appear. How do you want to eliminate a highly-conspirated criminals and terrorist? Or do you think they will walk on the
street with a labels I think the civilian mob with a guns, is a perfect place to hide .
active criminals cannot be conspirated...to commit crime they need to go somewhere and commit crime hurting somebody...for sure all of them have criminal record, testimonies etc...people now which
people are criminals...there is lack of will, corruption, laziness etc. to eliminate them...if it's not enough we can use mind reading devices...
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Mr phe, what difference if the target of the attack will be a civilian mob with guns, or without? There is almost no difference for an attackers. The gun will not save you from the shrapnel,
bullets, explosive, and trucks. The soldiers is already know that. That because they usually shooting anything suspicious in the stress situations, and then thinking. Because modern weapons will
left no time to think, this is not like a spears, swords, or knives.
risk for attackers is much higher if mob is armed...first row of mob members fall on the ground the others grab their guns and return fire...corpses of first row are shield now...
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As for myself, I think you have never hold the gun in your life . As I am too, I am a pacifist . I am joking..
I shot just a bit with pneumatic rifle and sport rifle...it was long time ago...
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That because you need a professional secret-service.
And do you think, if the civilians will have all this weapons, they will not sell to the terrorists .
secret-services seem serve to evil from abroad, lobbies, foreign countries and internal lobbies, worst politician...secret services are corrupted...I heard that Polish Agency of Internal Security takes money to take care of criminals who bully businessmen...I think is similar all-over-the-world.first corruption than hostage/puppet of criminals and lobbies...
It would be not bad without secret-services...If danger ordinary people inform police...
as I mentioned before they create danger to justify its existence...a lot of people work there...corrupted, expensive, unnecessary, influencing elections, reluctant to neccessary cuts and changes...
if people have guns..they will eliminate criminality and terrorists...if there will be good living condition in own country and abroad there will be no terrorists too...
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Mr phe, for the monarchy is almost impossible to be an effective with the all of this complexity of the modern societies, and its size. It is impossible for the single man to control all of that
and to be effective. And a single man have many biases, and high chance to made a mistake that will lead to the Armageddon itself .
The monarchy stuff already ineffective for a long time...
as I man can control big company...one man can control whole country...in countries of freedom not too much control is needed...collecting scant taxation...taking care of criminals...judging conflicts...
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Well, lets us to see an example.
frostysh walkin on the street, where is a lot so humans walking too, almost all of us have a guns. We are peacefully walking. Then someone take his/her gun, and preapering to shoot, and I think
that the shoot will be near at my direction...
The reason, why this guy take his gun can be a very different, i.e. he/she have spotted a suspicious guy - "a terrorist" and want to eliminate this threat . This is have no matter.
And the second, mr phe is ticks on, I will count from a zero-time, ~0,3 s - I have start to react on the action of this guy, that is preparing him/her-self for a shot. 1 s - I feel a
disturbance/fear that I will never be alive anymore, I will never see the peoples that I love (well, in the frostysh case, it is little bit more different, but this is do not matter  , I fear to
feel how my lungs, hear or a skull crashed by a bullets. ~1,3 s I remember that I have a gun, too . . ~1,7 - 2 s I start preparing myself to shoot automatically, because of the instincts to
survive. . . ~5 s dozens of the peoples lays on the ground, screaming and crying.
The mob with guns mr phe, this is not a group of the professional soldiers. The end of story.
I have never heard about such shooting...imagine people carring carts full of bricks and bottles of gasoline...they could do similar massacre by accident...but it didn't happen so far...
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This ridiculous stuff is confirming that you will need a many police departments (because the investigations, is a not simple work.. you need a professionals there), and drones, because there is alot of the peoples on the street with guns . This is fun, but you, mr phe, debunking your own theory by yourself.
it depends how many those shootings would be...I think just few...no more after quick elimination of crimality
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To build such effective drones, you need a professional military-research stuff . That's all required an organization and protection. Which is lead us to the deployment of the secret-services, and professional army. Again .
I need just order them at producer giving all required specifications...
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And, again mr phe, stop shooting by "call anyone to cease" it is a little bit, how its to be said - not a very good idea, if you have no group of professional soldiers or the APC on you back to cover you with a huge cal. .
You just demaskin your position, and then you will become a target . I am joking. But I think , this "drones" or an uniformed mans, will be shredded by bullets and shrapnel first of all .
why drones and uniformed guys should be not well armed?
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What village, mr phe What a frigging village? A 20-million cities such as New York or a Moscow ? With a density of population ~ 15k / sq. km Are you frigging kidding me?
In the poor-rural areas of the Africa, indeed villages and/or the "tribe-villages" have a many armed mans (almost all) to protect themselves, or they just "pay" (well, what a good the villagers
have .. you may ask, themselves, and their kids, for an example...) to the local gangs. But I have doubts, that you want to live in such conditions, mr phe...
people know who they are... just to kill them quick..where are these efficient secret services of USA and SU/Russia?
if people will see good will to eliminate criminality once for all they will testify...but it's not even necessary nowadays...
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I think you have saw not a many criminals in your life... If all of this, may be so easy, we are no need for a good detectives, police, and stuff. If you think that any criminal gang-member, can be recognized by his/her tattoo, you are terribly wrong...
most of people don't see most dangerous criminals...almost every man met some criminals in its life...worst ones usually have criminal record and are easily to trace...lack of good will, corruption etc..that's why they exist...
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Mr phe, I suggest you, just make a tour through a problem regions, and do not ask such ridiculous questions... Even a military guys, sometime shooting anything in the range, including their own,
well recognized allies
region by region, district by district one by one good authorities should be reestablished, criminals killed even if many, good solutions implemented, showing other regions that it works, gradualy moving to other districts doing the same...
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Did you have asking the peoples in such places, Does they care weapons in their houses or not ? Try...
I doubt if they all have guns...guns are expensive...
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Do you think, if you not seeing in your news-channel the mob with AK-rifles, and/or RPGs, something have changed? I can assure, mr phe, almost everywhere on the planet Earth, where was a military
conflicts, and the poor quality of life persist - the most peoples have a guns. Especially the ones, that is not slaves/sex-slaves etc... You can images some Western movie but with the field
artillery, trucks, and guns everywhere. The beautiful legacy of the Cold War
some people have guns there...not everyone...but if they don't have guns they have machetes...there is no difference...other factors determine their poverty...
I can imagine a country with all these military weapons everywhere and nothing bad happens...several universal anti-tank, anti-aircraft cheap cannons which could be an artillery as well would be deterring asset...
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The mob with the guns will not protect the country from a bombers/rockets of the regular army, that will quickly turn its to the junkyard for a hundred of years. Even intervention is no need, your country will be "disabled" and turned into an incredible suffering and chaos, and will be no threat anymore.
The mob with guns, is useless against terr. attacks to, due to the obvious, and above mentioned reasons.
The mob with guns is useless against the criminals. Because they cannot distinguish, who is who. You need a police for that.
So what we have - the full-armed citizens is a far more dangerous for themselves, than for the threats of the country. that because through an evolution of the human civilization, society with a
full-armed peoples sux. And represented only in the poorest/baddest regions of the planet for today.
police ability to distingush criminal from other is the same like mob member...
ability to kill criminal in self-defence is enough to eradicate criminality...
partisans managed many times to fight against stronger enemy...killing many enemies, destroying tanks, shooting down helis and aicrafts...with antigravity crafts destroying of any enemy stuff is possible...
armed people are good to deter aggression...so what if we have expensive and corrupted army which lacks bullet after couple of weeks of war because of bad preparation, corruption etc...people with large own arsenals of guns are cheaper and will resist longer...
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Well, when they will be already collapsed, then you can talk about something. Before that will happened, any nonsense about "we are doomed" is useless. <imo>]
they are doomed, not we ...
In the human history, entire civilization was on the brink of the total catastrophe - Cuban Missile Crisis, and what?
and what?
maybe some large asteroid passed Earth very close 1000 years ago and...World Wars were catastrophes...what can we do...
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I have no doubts, this is not another mystification, mythologization or the imagination of the someone. As for myself, I like to include the factor of the "truth" of an information, I mean - my possibilities to check its for truth. And in the cases of the conspiracy/geopolitics and stuff - this factor is near a zero. Nothing different from the successfully Resurrection of the Holy Jesus Christ . Because of the obvious reasons.
But I hope, such person as you is far more better in this case . Do not accept this as a trolling. But you see, mr phe, you already have a few times said about the thing that I have doubts that
you have some knowledge in this things, well for an exception of your imagination, I have nothing about imagination, it is good, and cool, but sometimes it is represented what we want to see, to
feel, but not the real world, as it actually is
I have no doubts, this is not another mystification, mythologization or the imagination of the someone. As for myself, I like to include the factor of the "truth" of an information, I mean - my possibilities to check its for truth. And in the cases of the conspiracy/geopolitics and stuff - this factor is near a zero. Nothing different from the successfully Resurrection of the Holy Jesus Christ . Because of the obvious reasons.
But I hope, such person as you is far more better in this case . Do not accept this as a trolling. But you see, mr phe, you already have a few times said about the thing that I have doubts that
you have some knowledge in this things, well for an exception of your imagination, I have nothing about imagination, it is good, and cool, but sometimes it is represented what we want to see, to
feel, but not the real world, as it actually is
I experience those things everyday...many people too...we can testify...
after some initial clues we can sometimes find out truth collecting evidences, asking other people about their experiences, investigate authorities of all countries under death penalty and
confiscation of property if it's true or not, etc...
Let President of USA swear: " I swear on existence of USA and on life of all adult people of USA that we have nothing in common with all these disasters, deaths etc"
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You have said, that you know about nuclear-weapon research of the some countries, of which the other countries is not aware.... Which is little bit super naive, or just a lie. To know about such
thing, you need to be directly connected to the nuclear-research centers, which is false, because you have access to the internet, or you may be included in some secret-service, that is involved
into an investigations of such kind - which is more likely false too.
I know only that North Korea and some other countries made A-bomb just from news...
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So I can make and my conclusion, that you have build the picture of the world, as you liked it, in your head. And you will be never able to check it for truth, mr phe, this is always will be only
in your imagination, regardless of what actually happens in the world.
I am always objective in my testimonies...
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The opposing government will steal this technologies, and make a successful counter measure. Because your mob on gravity-"things" have no secret service or the army to protect such technologies.
these technologies are so simple and such a secret like manufacturing every day use appliance...not always counter measures exist or could be researched...technologies change geopolitics diminishing power-states making them no much stronger than others...can't keep some secrets forever...
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Mr phe, as depicted in the cool movie "Fail Safe" the year o 1964 AD, you can see that nuclear-explosive carriers have a decays, hell bucket of the other counter-measures, and they are fast as
hell. So you can imagine, as your civilian mob sitting 24/7 at a radar-monitor, or a satellite terminal, and looking for a threats, and then they saw 1 000 of rockets that after 1 hour will fall on
their country, this rockets is using your antigravity technologies too .
But then this 1 000 of rockets will be quickly turned into a half of mullion of false targets "decays" + warheads. You civilian mob, just will die from a heart disease because of stress .
Whahhahah. A frigging Disneyland... I am sorryy.
I can imagine computer program monitoring radar read-outs, initiating anti-missile automatic defence (cannons and antigravity interceptors), alarming millions of people who get into their antigravity crafts to intercept whats left...
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That because mr phe, of agreements of professional governments of NOT using many kinds weapons in the local wars, such as biological, nuclear, etc... Why US just not wiped off the whole Vietnam for the face of Earth with a nuclear explosive? Because that may be a very bad precedent, and SU have a hell effective nuclear arsenal too.... Why SU have not wiped of a whole Afghanistan from the face of the Earth. Due to the same reasons. But not by their kindness.
Mr phe, as I said, this two wars - was a standard circus , peoples suffers and dying for nothing, just for fun... And not the Vietnam won the war, peoples of Vietnam and CPR altogether with SU won.
Not the Afghanistan won the war, the US together with the peoples of Afghanistan won. This is a VERY different from what you saying.
Both Vietnam and Afghanistan were divided into supporters of one side of conlict, the other side of conflict and neutrals...wiping off the whole country would bring even worse reputation and
escalation of conflict...
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In the Disneyland, perhaps, but not in the real Africa, where even a water for drink, in some places is a hard to obtain. Especially if you do not want to "cooperate" with those who holds this
water supplies.
if animals are able to get water, people are able to the same...no one holds whole river or lake...
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You are forgetting that a criminals and all this shooters, maniacs, terrorists, actually is a civilians too and obviously a part of society... As I said, the regular army with antigravity-things will squash your mob, even without using of a mass-destruction weapons. Flying - this is not hiding in the jungles.
antigravity craft will be as common as having a car...mounting cannons or 100kg or heavier bomb on it seems easy...no guarantee that army will have much better weapon...so by useless army will be unnecessary and unjustified...
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Mr phe, from the ANCIENT times peoples know that they need for a regular, professional army to protect themselves, they need for a good police to keep a law. Ancient Roman Empire - Ancient Egypt -
Ancient Chine, a very good examples.
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army had always very bad opinion among Chinese people...Roman Empire didn't survive despite of having huge army...
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And chaos and a new Somali/Guinea . Because such utopia is almost impossible in the real world.
we need to take control over them district by district bringing not democracy but prosperity and real justice...
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LOL, mr phe ... In the all of this countries is a PRO-armies, POLICE-forces ( a very effective police-forces...), and stuff. In addition you are comparing little bit different by power countries.
US is better to compare to SU, or CPR. And more important if you may be a citizen of the all of this frigging countries, I have no disrespect, I just so exited , and you will bring your frigging
gun into a street, holding it with yourself, and walk with it, even if it will be not a frigging assault rifle, HELL you will have a problems and you will pay a huge attention by a police forces.
About a high density areas, I do not want even talk...
they are pro- or neutral...
if everybody carries such a big gun I will be no diffrent than others...
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This is because the cities were small comparing to the modern ones, as a New York, or a Moscow, second - was no such powerful weapon systems, as today, and was no extensive use of the nuclear
explosive.
The correction, a many Soviet aircrafts were shot down from a US/Su manufactured weapons in the Afghanistan, and probably by US-specialist ... . The mob with guns will do nothing against a regular army airforce - they will be just a targets. Their country will totally turned into a junkyard. Infrastructure, economics, anuthing. I do not want even talk, about a numbers of victims, which will be colossal, and the country that will do all of this, will be fine till all this time, and will be peace there, because the mob with the guns is useless as attacking force, only as a terrorist
sneak attackers. .
Mr phe, In the any cases - you need a professional army and stuff, see?
P.S. Some countries, are not rebuilded after a W2 even for today, , I am joking...
something like Stinger could be produced in many countries...if some people had had them in their gun depots before war they wouldn't have needed to be bought from USA...
in woods, towns and ruins they could effectively fight with regular army...depends of numbers of both sides of course...
German and Japan Cities, Warsaw and some Soviet cities and some others were almost completly destroyed...in good economy it takes 10-20 years to rebuild...
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phe said:
criminals have guns and some honest people have guns...if all honest people have guns...more likely eliminating criminality and potntial shootings...less violence of other kind...more likely that bad government doing mass-shootings by mind control will be overthrown...
I can assure you, mr phe that in the 350 millions of peoples will be alot of dishonest. So, ahh, how this honest guys with guns will distinguish the dishonest ones. with the guns too, this is obviously, on the street? I think you will need a brain scanning of someking and a psychological tests too .
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remote control of human brain and behaviour...remotely reading and implementing thoughts, emotions...
you can have my testimony...many other people can testify too...
driving car into mob in Melbourne yesterday could be example...
This is a fantastic stories, not because it is impossible. But because the particular mr phe, have a zero clues about that. I almost assure in this. Mr phe, your imagination is the one thing, and the real world can be a truly another.
phe said:
Worst mass shooting caused by "kids" was
Westside Middle School massacre from March 24th 1998
(2 perpetrator aged 12 and 14; 5 victims)
5 victims could be the same by knife attack; for sure by mind-control any shooting indictaes that it should be home-schooling instead of expensive and dangerous schools...
home is usually safier place than school and way to school and back...
guns are allowed for adults not for kids...it's adults responsibility to keep guns in safe place...
Ridiculous.
I can make an example of the Beslan incident - this is a very good example what modern weapon can do. Do you think if all that guys have a knifes and wooden sticks, do you think they have any chances to rich such numbers of victims?
Another example, that has been done by a normal civilian, at least indistinguishable from the criminals by the outlook. Sandy Hook Shooting .
About a knifes and kids: Mr phe, did you killed at least one single animal with a knife in you life? Probably not, because in the other case, you will not say such nonsense. This is not so simple as you think. And this is truly hard to kill few peoples for a kid with knife. But not with a modern firearms.
phe said:
I would prefer a country without schools and without taxes for schools but with plenty of jobs, good business environment, and perspectives...why shouldn't I all learn at home reading some books and sites for true knowledge...
would you like to go now to monastery school...nowadays schools are like monastery schools(red-tape propaganda) to that what could be...anyway schools are obsolete and too expensive, dangerous etc...
And the country with a chaos, and a madness on the street with a kids that not going in the any schools but that have guns.
With large population, the most of peoples cannot be studied at home, because their parents on the "jobs and perspective business" as you said, and they have no time for that. School is the most efficient way, that is developed at this moment to solve such problems. And this is working way, and approved way, but not your imagination, mr phe. With the all respect, of course.
I agreed that in some countries the level of propaganda in the school is a truly hardcore.
phe said:
active criminals cannot be conspirated...to commit crime they need to go somewhere and commit crime hurting somebody...for sure all of them have criminal record, testimonies etc...people now which
people are criminals...there is lack of will, corruption, laziness etc. to eliminate them...if it's not enough we can use mind reading devices...
Mr phe, I said you have saw no single criminal in you life. I almost assure about that. The conspiracy, the hiding is the first thing of the all criminals. For an exception for a gangs in the poor regions, they is no need to hide, because they have the field artillery , and they more looks like the army, than a gangs.
Regardless of the reasons, that leading for a people to become a criminals, you will be no able to distinguish them, just by outlook on the street. You are talkin about a Disneyland mr phe.
phe said:
risk for attackers is much higher if mob is armed...first row of mob members fall on the ground the others grab their guns and return fire...corpses of first row are shield now...
mr phe, please, go in you closest office of the military, and spent there some time, and ask them about explanation for you...
The is no difference between armed mob, as a target, and not armed with firearms mob, as a target. In the both cases, the unexpected attack, or the attack from the ambush will be incredibly successful. Perhaps if the mob will also be wear in the body armor, well in this case you need the explosive, or a large cal. because you will be not able to successfully attack such mob with a single little gun. The most of the people will obtain only not a lethal wound in the legs and arms (well wounds in the legs by modern firearms is a pretty lethal, in some cases too, it is has been confirmed by a many times, but still - in torso it is much more worst.).
But as I said, in the case of the armed mob, the number of victims will be more more, due to the chaos shooting that will began, soon after first man will fall.
phe said:
I shot just a bit with pneumatic rifle and sport rifle...it was long time ago...
Me too  .
phe said:
secret-services seem serve to evil from abroad, lobbies, foreign countries and internal lobbies, worst politician...secret services are corrupted...I heard that Polish Agency of Internal Security takes money to take care of criminals who bully businessmen...I think is similar all-over-the-world.first corruption than hostage/puppet of criminals and lobbies...
It would be not bad without secret-services...If danger ordinary people inform police...
as I mentioned before they create danger to justify its existence...a lot of people work there...corrupted, expensive, unnecessary, influencing elections, reluctant to neccessary cuts and changes...
if people have guns..they will eliminate criminality and terrorists...if there will be good living condition in own country and abroad there will be no terrorists too...
Seems serve, maybe, perhaps, and so on - the all of this is a theories mr phe, and the only theories. The actual reality is unknown to us. So please, do not forgot about that.
In the addition to that, you cannot even prove your model about what is happens. And you trying to predict What will be if ... - this is ridiculous.
If the peoples will have a guns, they first need to find this terrorist and criminals, which is almost impossible without a police and a secret-services. In addition, the peoples is need for help of the regular army to confiscate all this guns, and turn life into a normal stable state, from a chaos and anarchy .
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as I man can control big company...one man can control whole country...in countries of freedom not too much control is needed...collecting scant taxation...taking care of criminals...judging conflicts..
Nope.
Successful corporation is need for a help of the many analytic center, and main control center which will collect all data, and than made a most effective decisions. This is impossible to be done by one man. You can imagine a large-powerful states, as a company of that kind, I think this will be a good approximation.
Look about that in the pedophilia-like anime "Evangelion" .
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I have never heard about such shooting...imagine people carring carts full of bricks and bottles of gasoline...they could do similar massacre by accident...but it didn't happen so far...
That because, in the rich countries with a large cities the weapons is forbidden on the streets. And hell exists a lot of the other restrictions. Gasoline mr phe, is a close range low effectiveness weapon, comparing to the assault rifle. If you are do not believe to me, try to use gasoline bottles so-called Molotov-Cocktail The end of story.
If you have not saw about everyday shootings and deaths in the Africa, in your news channel, this is not means that they do not exists.
Do you remember the "Western movies", you can imagine the same but with the assault rifles and artillery - this is a not very fine picture, but this is a reality of the many regions of the African Continent today...
A very good example of how civilians with the same armenent as the criminals is voulnerable - it is a hollywood movie, "Once Upon Time In The West", on the beginning of the film, I do not want too much spoil, there is scene where civilinas that have a lot of firearms, rifles, sidearms, knifes, etc. And they attacked by a professional criminals, the life o which is a criminal life. This is the result.
The criminals usually planning their attacks, they counting the defensive and offensive capabilities of the target, if they will feel some danger for their life - they will kill without mercy, well, sometimes they kill without mercy just for fun .
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it depends how many those shootings would be...I think just few...no more after quick elimination of crimality
Well, taking into account, some of your other model, I will better do pay a many attention on this naive prediction . With the all respect, mr phe.
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I need just order them at producer giving all required specifications...
In the Disneyland, maybe. But not in the real world, drones and stuff - is a very complicated devices, to build, to service, etc. They required for a hell bucket of professional guys.
phe said:
why drones and uniformed guys should be not well armed?
As the army? With a war machines? Perhaps then they can survive, but this will be a regular army then, in the other cases they will be just a poor target.
You see mister phe, why the army and police is so effective to keep the order? Because they have a power  . If the criminals, even very-very want, they can do nothin against the army or a special forces. Of course in the normal states. But not in the Somalia, for an example.
Civilians have they own works, they own life, they have no time to be an effective anti-crime force. To be an effective, 24/7 ready army that can protect the country from an unexpected attacks. They have no time to be an effective secret-services, to protect your own technologies or to steal some other. And so on.
This is I called - the Evolution of the Human Society What will be in the future, who knows. But I have doubts about, this is will be something like you describing, mr phe . . .
phe said:
people know who they are... just to kill them quick..where are these efficient secret services of USA and SU/Russia?
if people will see good will to eliminate criminality once for all they will testify...but it's not even necessary nowadays...
Yeah, for sure, if you are walking through a street of the New York City, you can see a many peoples that you know And when the most of the will be equipped with a firearms - yaike!
About where is all of this secret-services, perhaps they have forgot to inform you, mr phe, about their locations, you should remember them to do that 
phe said:
most of people don't see most dangerous criminals...almost every man met some criminals in its life...worst ones usually have criminal record and are easily to trace...lack of good will, corruption etc..that's why they exist...
The criminal record, that has been done by a professional police . I just wonder, what your armed mob, will do without it.
As I said, the reformation and "upgrade" of the police and army and stuff, this is the allowing to the all civilians to hold a guns, a truly another story.
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region by region, district by district one by one good authorities should be reestablished, criminals killed even if many, good solutions implemented, showing other regions that it works, gradualy moving to other districts doing the same...
I think this will so easy to done, if the most civilians will have a firearms. Well, to "reestablish" the government in this case, you will need a help of the army, abd you need to be ready for a civil war .
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I doubt if they all have guns...guns are expensive...
Well, not so expensive. In the places where the conflicts appeared, the AK-rifles is a common, as the "Smarphones" in the rich countries. In addition to that, there is a lot of weapons that cost - zero cash, and waiting to be picked by someone .
phe said:
some people have guns there...not everyone...but if they don't have guns they have machetes...there is no difference...other factors determine their poverty...
I can imagine a country with all these military weapons everywhere and nothing bad happens...several universal anti-tank, anti-aircraft cheap cannons which could be an artillery as well would be deterring asset...
Of what you are talkin about? Do you know what will be if this cannon will "work" on the street of New York, with a large amount of peoples? Even if they will in the body armors or not... The will be a Kenya/Sudan like massacre.
Do you think this cannons will help to defend the peoples against modern aircraft/rocket stuff? - Whahahahah . The weapons like that, will do the same as it doing right now in the Africa - its will kill/cripple peoples. That because such weapon is mad not for "everyday happy life".
Of course the poverty and stuff is not because there is a lot of guns. But the numbers of victim is large, because peoples using not a machete and spears like in the ancient time, but a modern firearms. And do not even try to deny that. Modern firearms is a FAR more dangerous than any archaic knifes and stuff.
phe said:
police ability to distingush criminal from other is the same like mob member...
ability to kill criminal in self-defence is enough to eradicate criminality...
partisans managed many times to fight against stronger enemy...killing many enemies, destroying tanks, shooting down helis and aicrafts...with antigravity crafts destroying of any enemy stuff is possible...
armed people are good to deter aggression...so what if we have expensive and corrupted army which lacks bullet after couple of weeks of war because of bad preparation, corruption etc...people with large own arsenals of guns are cheaper and will resist longer...
Well, why even all this police studying for so long, and reading all this smarty book, and catching all this criminals... hmm. I just wonder why the evolution of the human society created police as effective anti-criminal stuff from the ancient times when a casual mob member can do the same . Perhaps it is somekind of a parallel reality .
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German State Police officer in Hamburg, with the rank of Polizeihauptmeister mit Zulage (Confirmed Police Sergeant Major) - Police
Well the point is next - the almost all stuff with police, army and stuff that you can see in the world, mr phe, is a result of the painful and hell bloody evolution of the human society. But not a result of you imagination work...
And ability to be killed by a criminal, that will do not want to risk his/her life by attacking a still alive target that equipped with a gun...
The partisans - When your country will be a ruined dumpster, indeed there will be many anarchist and partisan-guerilla guys, that will fight each other but I have doubts that the army that cause it, will want to perform the land operations there . 100 years of partisan/anarchy chaos will make your country a super successful and effective .
You can make a retaliation, but OOPS! We have no regular army, to do that. only a frigging armed mob Whahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa a frigging Disneyland...
Again you are thinking like you are living in the 18-19th century AD, in addition you trying to predict such complicated things a war, and what will happens there with ammo and stuff. It is ridiculous. But one is clear. your armed mob, mr phe, is useless as a bloody hell itself
phe said:
I experience those things everyday...many people too...we can testify...
after some initial clues we can sometimes find out truth collecting evidences, asking other people about their experiences, investigate authorities of all countries under death penalty and
confiscation of property if it's true or not, etc...
Let President of USA swear: " I swear on existence of USA and on life of all adult people of USA that we have nothing in common with all these disasters, deaths etc"
Mr phe, all your "experience" is looks for myself, like a product of your everyday imagination. If think so, this is not automatically means true. Human experience is subjective, it is usually biased by their feelings emotions, desires, etc, and stuff.
So I am sorry but ahh I think - it is another religious like nonsense, without any frigging single proof.
You want for a president of US to swear in something , and you will believe in that. You are disappointing me, mr phe .
phe said:
I know only that North Korea and some other countries made A-bomb just from news...
No further questions.
phe said:
I am always objective in my testimonies...
Yeah, I may be wondered, If I will read something else .
phe said:
these technologies are so simple and such a secret like manufacturing every day use appliance...not always counter measures exist or could be researched...technologies change geopolitics diminishing power-states making them no much stronger than others...can't keep some secrets forever...
Mr phe, if the enemy will have organized regular army - your country will have nothing like that. If the enemy will have the same technologies, as yoru country, and the secret-service they will have, and you country will not. Then they will kill your country, if they want so. If they will made a new technologies, that will beat your technologies, you will be not able to expose them before its too late. The end of story.
Nah, mr phe, counter measures can be made against almsot anything. But I am agreed, to intercept modern ICBM by your "antigravity-mob" will be almost impossible, due to their defense/decays/stealth systems, even if you will bring up to the sky all frigging population . I am joking, but still .
phe said:
I can imagine computer program monitoring radar read-outs, initiating anti-missile automatic defence (cannons and antigravity interceptors), alarming millions of people who get into their antigravity crafts to intercept whats left...
"Nuck-nuck... Who's dare?! That is" - this word stuff, that has been said by one funny character from the Warhammer 40k .
The all stuff that you are introduced, is required for a service supply of the professional military-engineers, scientists, army. You also need operators, that will be ready 24/7, you also need a pilots, that will be well trained, and have a regular training, and so on. Civilians cannot perform this tasks, because they have they own life. Will be very bad fro you country, if 10 years of silence, and normal life - and the unexpected attack ... You civilian mob will be in panic, they will be not ready.
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Their secret service will research your defense abilities. They will neutralize, jamm, etc your computers. Their bombers and rockets will have a special equipment, that has designed to annihilate your mob on antigravity-things, before they can do any harm.
For an example, too poor for you, that you have no watch the "Fail Safe". The bombers-nuclear carries, there, have a special anti-fighters, anti-interceptors, and anti AA-rocket, nuclear warheads in addition to the many other defense/stealth systems. As you may know, the nuclear explosion in the atmosphere is deadly to the any kind of the flying devices, not only because of the pressure and the heat, but also because of EM-stuff, which is can easily jamm anything that have no protection, or to be so unlucky appeared too close to the center of explosions.
EM-waves is a more stable (long range) than a pressure waves in the atmosphere, so even not a very powerful explosion in the upper atmosphere, can make almost all unprotected electronic devices at the VERY large territory on the surface of Earth, to die... The more close you are to the zero-point, the powerful effect you will face due to the law of squares. Believe to me, your mob on antigravity craft, will be very close, due to the targeting systems of the enemy warheads .
In the end, they will just evaporate surface of your country with the millions of the Matter/Anti-matter warheads (if we are talkin about antygravity crafts, why not Matter/Atni-matter stuff! Let's Rock! B....! ) - Which is cannot be intercepted, even by entire human population on the "antigravity-things" WHAHAHAHaaaaaaaahhhhhhha.  I am sorry.
phe said:
if animals are able to get water, people are able to the same...no one holds whole river or lake...
Whhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhha. I am sorry... *facepalm*
phe said:
antigravity craft will be as common as having a car...mounting cannons or 100kg or heavier bomb on it seems easy...no guarantee that army will have much better weapon...so by useless army will be unnecessary and unjustified...
Mr phe, for now there is alot of cars. What a difference a civilian car from a military tank?
  
The similar differences will be between your civilian antigravity things, and enemy country military antigravity-war-machines: antigravity crafts, tanks, rockets, even a rounds, etc..
In short, military stuff that tank have, is no need for the car in the everyday life, thanks to the all gods...
phe said:
army had always very bad opinion among Chinese people...Roman Empire didn't survive despite of having huge army...
This is only your speculations with history. Every government, through the all times have an army. Beginning from the tribal times. The tribes/governments/conglomerations etc that have no professional army, are not survived.
phe said:
we need to take control over them district by district bringing not democracy but prosperity and real justice...
Beginning to spread a madness and chaos of the civil war, yeah.
phe said:
they are pro- or neutral...
if everybody carries such a big gun I will be no diffrent than others...
Yeah, you will be no different than other targets in this madness . I will repeat again, guns on the streets is no need in the normal life.
phe said:
something like Stinger could be produced in many countries...if some people had had them in their gun depots before war they wouldn't have needed to be bought from USA...
You are do not realizeng how complicated this AA-systems, do you?
Mr phe, no one will sell to the export their secret military technologies and weapons.
phe said:
in woods, towns and ruins they could effectively fight with regular army...depends of numbers of both sides of course...
Yeah, the ruins that will left from your country with armed mob as army, after the initial attack, The landing operation may happens in future, if it will be necessary, or may not happens. But you see mr phe, the citizens of country will spent a few generation to rebuild it, and the enemy country, till that time will be in the peace, progress, and development . As russins saying - "Lamat', ne stroeet'" Which is means, "to broke", it is not the same, as "to build".
phe said:
German and Japan Cities, Warsaw and some Soviet cities and some others were almost completly destroyed...in good economy it takes 10-20 years to rebuild...
few cities to rebuild by the help of the entire countries, and in the peace conditions. Imagine a different situation, can you?
P.S. Darn me, I feel so sleepy.
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frostysh said:
I can assure you, mr phe that in the 350 millions of peoples will be alot of dishonest. So, ahh, ow this honest guys with guns will distinguish the dishonest ones. with the guns too, this is
obviously, on the street? I think you will need a brain scanning of someking and a psychological tests too
easy to identify because of their dishonesty and crimes make harm to others who complain on them...
criminals usaully have criminal record...many people know who is dishonest... dishonest/criminal people are not organized or just small number of them are organized and easy to defeat whatever
seperate or together...criminals are often conflicted each other within...there is not so many of them because they live on expense of others and honest people have to work...criminals made harm to many honst people who would take revenge...criminals will not stand long in open conflict with label of Scourge...
brain scanning can be helpful in some cases...
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This is a fantastic stories, not because it is impossible. But because the particular mr phe, have a zero clues about that. I almost assure in this. Mr phe, your imagination is the one thing, and the real world can be a truly another.
I am aware of it since 2005 and know some...I have a lot of own experince...
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Ridiculous.
I can make an example of the Beslan incident - this is a very good example what modern weapon can do. Do you think if all that guys have a knifes and wooden sticks, do you think they have any chances to rich such numbers of victims?
these terrorists could have killed the same amount of victims if all they had had Mothers of Satan gasoline barrels and machetes by explosion of gas from cookers...
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Another example, that has been done by a normal civilian, at least indistinguishable from the criminals by the outlook. Sandy Hook Shooting .
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he became distinguishaed when opened fire...some from the rest of people there should have shot him dead...
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About a knifes and kids: Mr phe, did you killed at least one single animal with a knife in you
life? Probably not, because in the other case, you will not say such nonsense. This is not so simple as you think. And this is truly hard to kill few peoples for a kid with knife. But not with a modern firearms.
I didn't..however I participated several times in farm pigs' slaughtering...awful and stinky...
it was more than 25 years ago when I was a kid...more than half of my life I don't eat meat it's now 20 years...killing animal or human is not so easy but not so hard...depends on size..is it free or bounded...killing captured harmless kid with knife or machete by souless murder seems not difficult for him...
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And the country with a chaos, and a madness on the street with a kids that not going in the any schools but that have guns.
With large population, the most of peoples cannot be studied at home, because their parents on the "jobs and perspective business" as you said, and they have no time for that. School is the most efficient way, that is developed at this moment to solve such problems. And this is working way, and approved way, but not your imagination, mr phe. With the all respect, of course.
I agreed that in some countries the level of propaganda in the school is a truly hardcore.
most efficient way is home-schooling...enchanced with some good stuff and methods...schools are no needed for it...kids stay at home with mother or grandparents not on the streets...
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Mr phe, I said you have saw no single criminal in you life. I almost assure about that. The conspiracy, the hiding is the first thing of the all criminals. For an exception for a gangs in the poor regions, they is no need to hide, because they have the field artillery , and they more looks like the army, than a gangs.
Regardless of the reasons, that leading for a people to become a criminals, you will be no able to distinguish them, just by outlook on the street. You are talkin about a Disneyland mr phe.
I saw propably only tiny not significant ones...but all we saw dangerous criminals in tv...
if all people have guns and self-defence right they wouldn't exist...
gangs look like army, army looks like gang..we don't need them both...both have similar features...live on expense of others...gangs by robbery, slavery, human trafficing, armies by being supprorted from taxes which consume great part of our job...so they both seem like each other ...having similar sexual activities...
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mr phe, please, go in you closest office of the military, and spent there some time, and ask them about explanation for you...
I don't think I would get proper explanation...it would be often talk similar to talk with gang member...
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The is no difference between armed mob, as a target, and not armed with firearms mob, as a target. In the both cases, the unexpected attack, or the attack from the ambush will be incredibly successful. Perhaps if the mob will also be wear in the body armor, well in this case you need the explosive, or a large cal. because you will be not able to successfully attack such mob with a single little gun. The most of the people will obtain only not a lethal wound in the legs and arms (well wounds in the legs by modern firearms is a pretty lethal, in some cases too, it is has been confirmed by a many times, but still - in torso it is much more worst.).
But as I said, in the case of the armed mob, the number of victims will be more more, due to the chaos shooting that will began, soon after first man will fall.
similar carnage could be result of use of many other weapons knifes, machetes, baseball clubs, stones, gasoline bottles etc...however didn't happen so far...
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Seems serve, maybe, perhaps, and so on - the all of this is a theories mr phe, and the only theories. The actual reality is unknown to us. So please, do not forgot about that.
In the addition to that, you cannot even prove your model about what is happens. And you trying to predict What will be if ... - this is ridiculous.
we have many clues...we can be more cautious and suspicious...we can make investigations...
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If the peoples will have a guns, they first need to find this terrorist and criminals, which is almost impossible without a police and a secret-services. In addition, the peoples is need for help of the regular army to confiscate all this guns, and turn life into a normal stable state, from a chaos and anarchy
we can identify criminal and terrorist in the moment of commiting crime and kill them just after...
police and secret services don't give as security against terrorism...whatsmore they create it...isn't ISIS and others made by CIA?
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Nope.
Successful corporation is need for a help of the many analytic center, and main control center which will collect all data, and than made a most effective decisions. This is impossible to be done by one man. You can imagine a large-powerful states, as a company of that kind, I think this will be a good approximation.
Look about that in the pedophilia-like anime "Evangelion" .
good state doesn't need to do all these researches...good economy and living conditions makes many nowadays proplems non-existing...eradication of criminality makes many nowadays problems
non-existing...some care of enironment...judging conflicts...
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That because, in the rich countries with a large cities the weapons is forbidden on the streets.
And hell exists a lot of the other restrictions. Gasoline mr phe, is a close range low effectiveness weapon, comparing to the assault rifle. If you are do not believe to me, try to use gasoline bottles so-called Molotov-Cocktail The end of story.
guns should be allowed on the streets...criminals would not survive long time...
gasoline bottles used in ambush in large numbers can do hell...if someone will mount
flamethrower on his cart or car and go to crowded place...
imagine kidnapped fire truck of fire brigade using gasoline instead of water in mounted water cannon on top...
imagine detonation of gasoline carring truck in crowdy places...
sometimes gasoline is more effective than assult rifles...
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If you have not saw about everyday shootings and deaths in the Africa, in your news channel, this is not means that they do not exists.
we don't see everyday violence without use of guns too..it wouldn't be so if everybdy had guns...
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Do you remember the "Western movies", you can imagine the same but with the assault rifles and artillery - this is a not very fine picture, but this is a reality of the many regions of the African Continent today...
I can imagine that...criminals would not surive long time...artillery is used there only where war is..I haven't heard about single use of artillery in criminal fight...anyway no big diffrence...machetes seem worse...
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A very good example of how civilians with the same armenent as the criminals is voulnerable - it is a hollywood movie, "Once Upon Time In The West", on the beginning of the film, I do not want too much spoil, there is scene where civilinas that have a lot of firearms, rifles, sidearms, knifes, etc. And they attacked by a professional criminals, the life o which is a criminal life.
This is the result.
don't forget it's Hollywood movie...
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The criminals usually planning their attacks, they counting the defensive and offensive capabilities of the target, if they will feel some danger for their life - they will kill without mercy, well, sometimes they kill without mercy just for fun .
getting killed and no mercy too...
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Well, taking into account, some of your other model, I will better do pay a many attention on this naive prediction . With the all respect, mr phe.
prooved...real life estimations...worked and will work...
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In the Disneyland, maybe. But not in the real world, drones and stuff - is a very complicated
devices, to build, to service, etc. They required for a hell bucket of professional guys.
computers are complicated too...it's not military who build them...
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As the army? With a war machines? Perhaps then they can survive, but this will be a regular army then, in the other cases they will be just a poor target.
it would be pointless to implement armless drones and uniformed people...not have to be regular army...only called when needed...deactivated or doing other jobs in everyday life...not many
regulars...
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ou see mister phe, why the army and police is so effective to keep the order? Because they have a power .
they are ineffective as criminals and terroists still exist...
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If the criminals, even very-very want, they can do nothin against the army or a special forces.
Of course in the normal states. But not in the Somalia, for an example.
they can neither do anything against any organized group of armed people...
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Civilians have they own works, they own life, they have no time to be an effective anti-crime
force. To be an effective, 24/7 ready army that can protect the country from an unexpected attacks. They have no time to be an effective secret-services, to protect your own technologies or to steal some other. And so on.
This is I called - the Evolution of the Human Society What will be in the future, who knows.
But I have doubts about, this is will be something like you describing, mr phe . .
armed civilians should be reserves to police and army...
there is not such danger as sudden aggression...proccess of monitoring if attack comes could automatized...
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Yeah, for sure, if you are walking through a street of the New York City, you can see a many peoples that you know And when the most of the will be equipped with a firearms - yaike!
and there will be not such situation that baseball-armed niggas chasing people on one of main streets 11pm or in tube...
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About where is all of this secret-services, perhaps they have forgot to inform you, mr phe, about their locations, you should remember them to do that
years of negligance...crime likers....
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The criminal record, that has been done by a professional police . I just wonder, what your armed mob, will do without it.
As I said, the reformation and "upgrade" of the police and army and stuff, this is the allowing to the all civilians to hold a guns, a truly another story.
armed civilians is chepest and the best way to get rid of criminals and to deter aggression of other country...
criminals would have rightaway execution instead of next note in criminal records...
professional police would be propably required but maybe 10% of what is now when we eradicate criminality...so not much interest in police to fight crime seriously...
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I think this will so easy to done, if the most civilians will have a firearms. Well, to
"reestablish" the government in this case, you will need a help of the army, abd you need to be ready for a civil war
temporary army of armed honest civilians...civil war could be the same between army divisions...as it was many times in Roman Empire..recently in Turkey 2-days' civil war...
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Well, not so expensive. In the places where the conflicts appeared, the AK-rifles is a common, as the "Smarphones" in the rich countries. In addition to that, there is a lot of weapons that cost - zero cash, and waiting to be picked by someone
I doubt if there is so many of guns...people sell them for food propably...
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Of what you are talkin about? Do you know what will be if this cannon will "work" on the street of New York, with a large amount of peoples? Even if they will in the body armors or not... The will be a Kenya/Sudan like massacre.
no one notice cannnons towed on the street of New York...everybody there has big garage to hold there several cannons...somehow we had massacre in WTC there anyway...jet fuel was used...much bigger than in Kenya/Somalia..done by secret services...
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Do you think this cannons will help to defend the peoples against modern aircraft/rocket stuff?
- Whahahahah . The weapons like that, will do the same as it doing right now in the Africa - its will kill/cripple peoples. That because such weapon is mad not for "everyday happy life".
against infantry, tanks, helis, low and medium altitude aircraft strikes...
having antigravity crafts we can destroy even starships...
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Of course the poverty and stuff is not because there is a lot of guns. But the numbers of victim is large, because peoples using not a machete and spears like in the ancient time, but a modern
firearms. And do not even try to deny that. Modern firearms is a FAR more dangerous than any archaic knifes and stuff.
there were massacres in Africa with use of machetes not so long ago...
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Well, why even all this police studying for so long, and reading all this smarty book, and catching all this criminals... hmm. I just wonder why the evolution of the human society created police as effective anti-criminal stuff from the ancient times when a casual mob member can do the same . Perhaps it is somekind of a parallel reality .
too much studing, too little action...
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Well the point is next - the almost all stuff with police, army and stuff that you can see in the world, mr phe, is a result of the painful and hell bloody evolution of the human society.
But not a result of you imagination work...
regression not progress in many crucial aspects...some good solution are forgotten...
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And ability to be killed by a criminal, that will do not want to risk his/her life by attacking a still alive target that equipped with a gun...
if we all had guns ..criminals would less often risk if existed at all...
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The partisans - When your country will be a ruined dumpster, indeed there will be many anarchist and partisan-guerilla guys, that will fight each other but I have doubts that the army that cause it, will want to perform the land operations there . 100 years of partisan/anarchy
chaos will make your country a super successful and effective .
You can make a retaliation, but OOPS! We have no regular army, to do that. only a frigging armed mob Whahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa a frigging Disneyland...
Again you are thinking like you are living in the 18-19th century AD, in addition you trying to predict such complicated things a war, and what will happens there with ammo and stuff. It is ridiculous. But one is clear. your armed mob, mr phe, is useless as a bloody hell itself
there could be also fights of army divisons...could last long too...civil war in Korea and China have been lasting for more than 60 years...armies on both sides...
somtimes chaos could be more deterrant than corrupted army...
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Mr phe, all your "experience" is looks for myself, like a product of your everyday imagination.
If think so, this is not automatically means true. Human experience is subjective, it is usually biased by their feelings emotions, desires, etc, and stuff.
So I am sorry but ahh I think - it is another religious like nonsense, without any frigging single proof.
I assure it's true...can deliver many evidences...
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You want for a president of US to swear in something , and you will believe in that. You are disappointing me, mr phe
If he swearS it , I will not...but if we have great amount of Americans as hostages of these promise and significant bail will be paid...President, political parties, army, secret services,
all administration and all ithers who trust them and these hosteges to be executed and deprived of property if allegation turn out true...would be diffrence...
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Mr phe, if the enemy will have organized regular army - your country will have nothing like that. If the enemy will have the same technologies, as yoru country, and the secret-service they
will have, and you country will not.
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Then they will kill your country, if they want so. If they will made a new technologies, that will beat your technologies, you will be not able to expose them before its too late. The end of
story.
explain please...seems wishful thinking...
unless I will find the same or better technologies...
my snowry would not stand alone...there are some alliances...some other countries can attack agressor with modern weapons just because they are agressors...
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Nah, mr phe, counter measures can be made against almsot anything. But I am agreed, to intercept modern ICBM by your "antigravity-mob" will be almost impossible, due to their defense/decays/stealth systems, even if you will bring up to the sky all frigging population
. I am joking, but still .
antigravity mob would not be even necessary but proper amount of anti-missile fire from protecting cannons...no agressor's forces aren't limitless...
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The all stuff that you are introduced, is required for a service supply of the professional military-engineers, scientists, army. You also need operators, that will be ready 24/7, you also need a pilots, that will be well trained, and have a regular training, and so on. Civilians cannot perform this tasks, because they have they own life. Will be very bad fro you country, if 10 years of silence, and normal life - and the unexpected attack ... You civilian mob will be in panic, they will be not ready.
they are not civilians but they produce similar stuff every day in their companies...I need just to make order with all specifications...
monitoring defences could be easily automatized...
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Their secret service will research your defense abilities. They will neutralize, jamm, etc your computers. Their bombers and rockets will have a special equipment, that has designed to annihilate your mob on antigravity-things, before they can do any harm.
For an example, too poor for you, that you have no watch the "Fail Safe". The bombers-nuclear carries, there, have a special anti-fighters, anti-interceptors, and anti AA-rocket, nuclear
warheads in addition to the many other defense/stealth systems. As you may know, the nuclear explosion in the atmosphere is deadly to the any kind of the flying devices, not only because of the pressure and the heat, but also because of EM-stuff, which is can easily jamm anything that have no protection, or to be so unlucky appeared too close to the center of explosions.
EM-waves is a more stable (long range) than a pressure waves in the atmosphere, so even not a very powerful explosion in the upper atmosphere, can make almost all unprotected electronic devices at the VERY large territory on the surface of Earth, to die... The more close you are to the zero-point, the powerful effect you will face due to the law of squares. Believe to me, your mob on antigravity craft, will be very close, due to the targeting systems of the enemy
warheads .
In the end, they will just evaporate surface of your country with the millions of the Matter/Anti-matter warheads (if we are talkin about antygravity crafts, why not Matter/Atni-matter stuff! Let's Rock! B....! ) - Which is cannot be intercepted, even by entire human
population on the "antigravity-things" WHAHAHAHaaaaaaaahhhhhhha. I am sorry.
bombers and rockets would be earlier annihilated by defence cannons...there is anti-EM-screaming stuff too...they would need to use all his assault warheads power to defeat large numbers of
antigravity crafts which don't even need electronics...some of them can carry nuclear/antimatter warheads too to defeat swarm of ICBMs the rest of antigravity crafts could be decoys and intercept ICBM with cannons or collissions...
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Mr phe, for now there is alot of cars. What a difference a civilian car from a military tank?
The similar differences will be between your civilian antigravity things, and enemy country military antigravity-war-machines: antigravity crafts, tanks, rockets, even a rounds, etc..
antigravity crafts are weapons in itself..are they manned or not... high speed...collission course...
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This is only your speculations with history. Every government, through the all times have an army. Beginning from the tribal times. The tribes/governments/conglomerations etc that have no professional army, are not survived.
many of them having armies didn't survive...
some countries
don't have army...
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Beginning to spread a madness and chaos of the civil war, yeah.
spread of madness, chaos, poverty results from policy of current and former governments...
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Yeah, you will be no different than other targets in this madness . I will repeat again, guns on the streets is no need in the normal life.
for you is no need...
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You are do not realizeng how complicated this AA-systems, do you?
Mr phe, no one will sell to the export their secret military technologies and weapons.
some are complicated, some are not complicated...
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Yeah, the ruins that will left from your country with armed mob as army, after the initial attack, The landing operation may happens in future, if it will be necessary, or may not happens. But you see mr phe, the citizens of country will spent a few generation to rebuild it, and the enemy country, till that time will be in the peace, progress, and development . As russins saying - "Lamat', ne stroeet'" Which is means, "to broke", it is not the same, as "to build".
ruins can left from any country...
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few cities to rebuild by the help of the entire countries, and in the peace conditions. Imagine a different situation, can you?
help of other countries wasn't necessary...only good development condition required...
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I can assure you, mr phe that in the 350 millions of peoples will be alot of dishonest. So, ahh, ow this honest guys with guns will distinguish the dishonest ones. with the guns too, this is
obviously, on the street? I think you will need a brain scanning of someking and a psychological tests too
easy to identify because of their dishonesty and crimes make harm to others who complain on them...
criminals usaully have criminal record...many people know who is dishonest... dishonest/criminal people are not organized or just small number of them are organized and easy to defeat whatever
seperate or together...criminals are often conflicted each other within...there is not so many of them because they live on expense of others and honest people have to work...criminals made harm to many honst people who would take revenge...criminals will not stand long in open conflict with label of Scourge...
brain scanning can be helpful in some cases...
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This is a fantastic stories, not because it is impossible. But because the particular mr phe, have a zero clues about that. I almost assure in this. Mr phe, your imagination is the one thing, and the real world can be a truly another.
I am aware of it since 2005 and know some...I have a lot of own experince...
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Ridiculous.
I can make an example of the Beslan incident - this is a very good example what modern weapon can do. Do you think if all that guys have a knifes and wooden sticks, do you think they have any chances to rich such numbers of victims?
these terrorists could have killed the same amount of victims if all they had had Mothers of Satan gasoline barrels and machetes by explosion of gas from cookers...
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Another example, that has been done by a normal civilian, at least indistinguishable from the criminals by the outlook. Sandy Hook Shooting .
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he became distinguishaed when opened fire...some from the rest of people there should have shot him dead...
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About a knifes and kids: Mr phe, did you killed at least one single animal with a knife in you
life? Probably not, because in the other case, you will not say such nonsense. This is not so simple as you think. And this is truly hard to kill few peoples for a kid with knife. But not with a modern firearms.
I didn't..however I participated several times in farm pigs' slaughtering...awful and stinky...
it was more than 25 years ago when I was a kid...more than half of my life I don't eat meat it's now 20 years...killing animal or human is not so easy but not so hard...depends on size..is it free or bounded...killing captured harmless kid with knife or machete by souless murder seems not difficult for him...
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And the country with a chaos, and a madness on the street with a kids that not going in the any schools but that have guns.
With large population, the most of peoples cannot be studied at home, because their parents on the "jobs and perspective business" as you said, and they have no time for that. School is the most efficient way, that is developed at this moment to solve such problems. And this is working way, and approved way, but not your imagination, mr phe. With the all respect, of course.
I agreed that in some countries the level of propaganda in the school is a truly hardcore.
most efficient way is home-schooling...enchanced with some good stuff and methods...schools are no needed for it...kids stay at home with mother or grandparents not on the streets...
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Mr phe, I said you have saw no single criminal in you life. I almost assure about that. The conspiracy, the hiding is the first thing of the all criminals. For an exception for a gangs in the poor regions, they is no need to hide, because they have the field artillery , and they more looks like the army, than a gangs.
Regardless of the reasons, that leading for a people to become a criminals, you will be no able to distinguish them, just by outlook on the street. You are talkin about a Disneyland mr phe.
I saw propably only tiny not significant ones...but all we saw dangerous criminals in tv...
if all people have guns and self-defence right they wouldn't exist...
gangs look like army, army looks like gang..we don't need them both...both have similar features...live on expense of others...gangs by robbery, slavery, human trafficing, armies by being supprorted from taxes which consume great part of our job...so they both seem like each other ...having similar sexual activities...
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mr phe, please, go in you closest office of the military, and spent there some time, and ask them about explanation for you...
I don't think I would get proper explanation...it would be often talk similar to talk with gang member...
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The is no difference between armed mob, as a target, and not armed with firearms mob, as a target. In the both cases, the unexpected attack, or the attack from the ambush will be incredibly successful. Perhaps if the mob will also be wear in the body armor, well in this case you need the explosive, or a large cal. because you will be not able to successfully attack such mob with a single little gun. The most of the people will obtain only not a lethal wound in the legs and arms (well wounds in the legs by modern firearms is a pretty lethal, in some cases too, it is has been confirmed by a many times, but still - in torso it is much more worst.).
But as I said, in the case of the armed mob, the number of victims will be more more, due to the chaos shooting that will began, soon after first man will fall.
similar carnage could be result of use of many other weapons knifes, machetes, baseball clubs, stones, gasoline bottles etc...however didn't happen so far...
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Seems serve, maybe, perhaps, and so on - the all of this is a theories mr phe, and the only theories. The actual reality is unknown to us. So please, do not forgot about that.
In the addition to that, you cannot even prove your model about what is happens. And you trying to predict What will be if ... - this is ridiculous.
we have many clues...we can be more cautious and suspicious...we can make investigations...
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If the peoples will have a guns, they first need to find this terrorist and criminals, which is almost impossible without a police and a secret-services. In addition, the peoples is need for help of the regular army to confiscate all this guns, and turn life into a normal stable state, from a chaos and anarchy
we can identify criminal and terrorist in the moment of commiting crime and kill them just after...
police and secret services don't give as security against terrorism...whatsmore they create it...isn't ISIS and others made by CIA?
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Nope.
Successful corporation is need for a help of the many analytic center, and main control center which will collect all data, and than made a most effective decisions. This is impossible to be done by one man. You can imagine a large-powerful states, as a company of that kind, I think this will be a good approximation.
Look about that in the pedophilia-like anime "Evangelion" .
good state doesn't need to do all these researches...good economy and living conditions makes many nowadays proplems non-existing...eradication of criminality makes many nowadays problems
non-existing...some care of enironment...judging conflicts...
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That because, in the rich countries with a large cities the weapons is forbidden on the streets.
And hell exists a lot of the other restrictions. Gasoline mr phe, is a close range low effectiveness weapon, comparing to the assault rifle. If you are do not believe to me, try to use gasoline bottles so-called Molotov-Cocktail The end of story.
guns should be allowed on the streets...criminals would not survive long time...
gasoline bottles used in ambush in large numbers can do hell...if someone will mount
flamethrower on his cart or car and go to crowded place...
imagine kidnapped fire truck of fire brigade using gasoline instead of water in mounted water cannon on top...
imagine detonation of gasoline carring truck in crowdy places...
sometimes gasoline is more effective than assult rifles...
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If you have not saw about everyday shootings and deaths in the Africa, in your news channel, this is not means that they do not exists.
we don't see everyday violence without use of guns too..it wouldn't be so if everybdy had guns...
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Do you remember the "Western movies", you can imagine the same but with the assault rifles and artillery - this is a not very fine picture, but this is a reality of the many regions of the African Continent today...
I can imagine that...criminals would not surive long time...artillery is used there only where war is..I haven't heard about single use of artillery in criminal fight...anyway no big diffrence...machetes seem worse...
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A very good example of how civilians with the same armenent as the criminals is voulnerable - it is a hollywood movie, "Once Upon Time In The West", on the beginning of the film, I do not want too much spoil, there is scene where civilinas that have a lot of firearms, rifles, sidearms, knifes, etc. And they attacked by a professional criminals, the life o which is a criminal life.
This is the result.
don't forget it's Hollywood movie...
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The criminals usually planning their attacks, they counting the defensive and offensive capabilities of the target, if they will feel some danger for their life - they will kill without mercy, well, sometimes they kill without mercy just for fun .
getting killed and no mercy too...
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Well, taking into account, some of your other model, I will better do pay a many attention on this naive prediction . With the all respect, mr phe.
prooved...real life estimations...worked and will work...
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In the Disneyland, maybe. But not in the real world, drones and stuff - is a very complicated
devices, to build, to service, etc. They required for a hell bucket of professional guys.
computers are complicated too...it's not military who build them...
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As the army? With a war machines? Perhaps then they can survive, but this will be a regular army then, in the other cases they will be just a poor target.
it would be pointless to implement armless drones and uniformed people...not have to be regular army...only called when needed...deactivated or doing other jobs in everyday life...not many
regulars...
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ou see mister phe, why the army and police is so effective to keep the order? Because they have a power .
they are ineffective as criminals and terroists still exist...
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If the criminals, even very-very want, they can do nothin against the army or a special forces.
Of course in the normal states. But not in the Somalia, for an example.
they can neither do anything against any organized group of armed people...
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Civilians have they own works, they own life, they have no time to be an effective anti-crime force. To be an effective, 24/7 ready army that can protect the country from an unexpected attacks. They have no time to be an effective secret-services, to protect your own technologies or to steal some other. And so on.
This is I called - the Evolution of the Human Society What will be in the future, who knows.
But I have doubts about, this is will be something like you describing, mr phe . .
armed civilians should be reserves to police and army...
there is not such danger as sudden aggression...proccess of monitoring if attack comes could automatized...
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Yeah, for sure, if you are walking through a street of the New York City, you can see a many peoples that you know And when the most of the will be equipped with a firearms - yaike!
and there will be not such situation that baseball-armed niggas chasing people on one of main streets 11pm or in tube...
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About where is all of this secret-services, perhaps they have forgot to inform you, mr phe, about their locations, you should remember them to do that
years of negligance...crime likers....
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The criminal record, that has been done by a professional police . I just wonder, what your armed mob, will do without it.
As I said, the reformation and "upgrade" of the police and army and stuff, this is the allowing to the all civilians to hold a guns, a truly another story.
armed civilians is chepest and the best way to get rid of criminals and to deter aggression of other country...
criminals would have rightaway execution instead of next note in criminal records...
professional police would be propably required but maybe 10% of what is now when we eradicate criminality...so not much interest in police to fight crime seriously...
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I think this will so easy to done, if the most civilians will have a firearms. Well, to "reestablish" the government in this case, you will need a help of the army, abd you need to be ready for a civil war
temporary army of armed honest civilians...civil war could be the same between army divisions...as it was many times in Roman Empire..recently in Turkey 2-days' civil war...
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Well, not so expensive. In the places where the conflicts appeared, the AK-rifles is a common, as the "Smarphones" in the rich countries. In addition to that, there is a lot of weapons that cost - zero cash, and waiting to be picked by someone
I doubt if there is so many of guns...people sell them for food propably...
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Of what you are talkin about? Do you know what will be if this cannon will "work" on the street of New York, with a large amount of peoples? Even if they will in the body armors or not... The will be a Kenya/Sudan like massacre.
no one notice cannnons towed on the street of New York...everybody there has big garage to hold there several cannons...somehow we had massacre in WTC there anyway...jet fuel was used...much bigger than in Kenya/Somalia..done by secret services...
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Do you think this cannons will help to defend the peoples against modern aircraft/rocket stuff?
- Whahahahah . The weapons like that, will do the same as it doing right now in the Africa - its will kill/cripple peoples. That because such weapon is mad not for "everyday happy life".
against infantry, tanks, helis, low and medium altitude aircraft strikes...
having antigravity crafts we can destroy even starships...
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Of course the poverty and stuff is not because there is a lot of guns. But the numbers of victim is large, because peoples using not a machete and spears like in the ancient time, but a modern
firearms. And do not even try to deny that. Modern firearms is a FAR more dangerous than any archaic knifes and stuff.
there were massacres in Africa with use of machetes not so long ago...
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Well, why even all this police studying for so long, and reading all this smarty book, and catching all this criminals... hmm. I just wonder why the evolution of the human society created police as effective anti-criminal stuff from the ancient times when a casual mob member can do the same . Perhaps it is somekind of a parallel reality .
too much studing, too little action...
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Well the point is next - the almost all stuff with police, army and stuff that you can see in the world, mr phe, is a result of the painful and hell bloody evolution of the human society.
But not a result of you imagination work...
regression not progress in many crucial aspects...some good solution are forgotten...
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And ability to be killed by a criminal, that will do not want to risk his/her life by attacking a still alive target that equipped with a gun...
if we all had guns ..criminals would less often risk if existed at all...
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The partisans - When your country will be a ruined dumpster, indeed there will be many anarchist and partisan-guerilla guys, that will fight each other but I have doubts that the army that cause it, will want to perform the land operations there . 100 years of partisan/anarchy
chaos will make your country a super successful and effective .
You can make a retaliation, but OOPS! We have no regular army, to do that. only a frigging armed mob Whahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa a frigging Disneyland...
Again you are thinking like you are living in the 18-19th century AD, in addition you trying to predict such complicated things a war, and what will happens there with ammo and stuff. It is ridiculous. But one is clear. your armed mob, mr phe, is useless as a bloody hell itself
there could be also fights of army divisons...could last long too...civil war in Korea and China have been lasting for more than 60 years...armies on both sides...
somtimes chaos could be more deterrant than corrupted army...
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Mr phe, all your "experience" is looks for myself, like a product of your everyday imagination.
If think so, this is not automatically means true. Human experience is subjective, it is usually biased by their feelings emotions, desires, etc, and stuff.
So I am sorry but ahh I think - it is another religious like nonsense, without any frigging single proof.
I assure it's true...can deliver many evidences...
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You want for a president of US to swear in something , and you will believe in that. You are disappointing me, mr phe
If he swears it , I will not...but if we have great amount of Americans as hostages of these promise and significant bail will be paid...President, political parties, army, secret services,
all administration and all ithers who trust them and these hosteges to be executed and deprived of property if allegation turn out true...would be diffrence...
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Mr phe, if the enemy will have organized regular army - your country will have nothing like that. If the enemy will have the same technologies, as yoru country, and the secret-service they
will have, and you country will not.
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Then they will kill your country, if they want so. If they will made a new technologies, that will beat your technologies, you will be not able to expose them before its too late. The end of
story.
explain please...seems wishful thinking...
unless I will find the same or better technologies...
my snowry would not stand alone...there are some alliances...some other countries can attack agressor with modern weapons just because they are agressors...
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Nah, mr phe, counter measures can be made against almsot anything. But I am agreed, to intercept modern ICBM by your "antigravity-mob" will be almost impossible, due to their defense/decays/stealth systems, even if you will bring up to the sky all frigging population
. I am joking, but still .
antigravity mob would not be even necessary but proper amount of anti-missile fire from protecting cannons...no agressor's forces aren't limitless...
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The all stuff that you are introduced, is required for a service supply of the professional military-engineers, scientists, army. You also need operators, that will be ready 24/7, you also need a pilots, that will be well trained, and have a regular training, and so on. Civilians cannot perform this tasks, because they have they own life. Will be very bad fro you country, if 10 years of silence, and normal life - and the unexpected attack ... You civilian mob will be in panic, they will be not ready.
they are not civilians but they produce similar stuff every day in their companies...I need just to make order with all specifications...
monitoring defences could be easily automatized...
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Their secret service will research your defense abilities. They will neutralize, jamm, etc your computers. Their bombers and rockets will have a special equipment, that has designed to annihilate your mob on antigravity-things, before they can do any harm.
For an example, too poor for you, that you have no watch the "Fail Safe". The bombers-nuclear carries, there, have a special anti-fighters, anti-interceptors, and anti AA-rocket, nuclear
warheads in addition to the many other defense/stealth systems. As you may know, the nuclear explosion in the atmosphere is deadly to the any kind of the flying devices, not only because of the pressure and the heat, but also because of EM-stuff, which is can easily jamm anything that have no protection, or to be so unlucky appeared too close to the center of explosions.
EM-waves is a more stable (long range) than a pressure waves in the atmosphere, so even not a very powerful explosion in the upper atmosphere, can make almost all unprotected electronic devices at the VERY large territory on the surface of Earth, to die... The more close you are to the zero-point, the powerful effect you will face due to the law of squares. Believe to me, your mob on antigravity craft, will be very close, due to the targeting systems of the enemy
warheads .
In the end, they will just evaporate surface of your country with the millions of the Matter/Anti-matter warheads (if we are talkin about antygravity crafts, why not Matter/Atni-matter stuff! Let's Rock! B....! ) - Which is cannot be intercepted, even by entire human
population on the "antigravity-things" WHAHAHAHaaaaaaaahhhhhhha. I am sorry.
bombers and rockets would be earlier annihilated by defence cannons...there is anti-EM-screaming stuff too...they would need to use all his assault warheads power to defeat large numbers of
antigravity crafts which don't even need electronics...some of them can carry nuclear/antimatter warheads too to defeat swarm of ICBMs the rest of antigravity crafts could be decoys and intercept ICBM with cannons or collissions...
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Mr phe, for now there is alot of cars. What a difference a civilian car from a military tank?
The similar differences will be between your civilian antigravity things, and enemy country military antigravity-war-machines: antigravity crafts, tanks, rockets, even a rounds, etc..
antigravity crafts are weapons in itself..are they manned or not... high speed...collission course...
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This is only your speculations with history. Every government, through the all times have an army. Beginning from the tribal times. The tribes/governments/conglomerations etc that have no professional army, are not survived.
many of them having armies didn't survive...
some countriesdon't have army...
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Beginning to spread a madness and chaos of the civil war, yeah.
spread of madness, chaos, poverty results from policy of current and former governments...
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Yeah, you will be no different than other targets in this madness . I will repeat again, guns on the streets is no need in the normal life.
for you is no need to carry guns..for others it is a need...
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You are do not realizeng how complicated this AA-systems, do you?
Mr phe, no one will sell to the export their secret military technologies and weapons.
some are complicated, some are not complicated...
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Yeah, the ruins that will left from your country with armed mob as army, after the initial attack, The landing operation may happens in future, if it will be necessary, or may not happens. But you see mr phe, the citizens of country will spent a few generation to rebuild it, and the enemy country, till that time will be in the peace, progress, and development . As russins saying - "Lamat', ne stroeet'" Which is means, "to broke", it is not the same, as "to build".
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few cities to rebuild by the help of the entire countries, and in the peace conditions. Imagine a different situation, can you?
help of other countries wasn't necessary...only good development conditions required...
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easy to identify because of their dishonesty and crimes make harm to others who complain on them...
criminals usaully have criminal record...many people know who is dishonest... dishonest/criminal people are not organized or just small number of them are organized and easy to defeat whatever
seperate or together...criminals are often conflicted each other within...there is not so many of them because they live on expense of others and honest people have to work...criminals made harm to many honst people who would take revenge...criminals will not stand long in open conflict with label of Scourge...
brain scanning can be helpful in some cases...
IN your imaginary Disneyland - perhaps, but in the real world. Criminals is vary hard to be distinguished from the other civilians. They have no uniform, signs, or something like. Of course, for an exception, to the gangs in the poor rural problem areas of the Earth. Where they is no need to hide.
Criminals just masquerade themselves, then they will do their "dishonest acts" against your "honest peoples", they will left a small amount of traces, and no witnesses and then, after a few days, they will come to buy a PopCorn in the SuperMarket, as a normal peoples, a far from the place where they tortured and murdered some "honest" peoples to obtain their good. Many of the criminals even have a families. The end of story.
Yeah, I will see how you will make this "brain scanning" to expose a criminals in the 350 - millions population state, the stuff like that, can easily cause a revolt and a civil war...
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I am aware of it since 2005 and know some...I have a lot of own experince...
I can make a suggestions, that your "experience", mr phe, it is the same as "spiritual experience" of some peoples during their conversations with the angels, and gods, and stuff . I need facts , not you words mr phe. The end of story.
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these terrorists could have killed the same amount of victims if all they had had Mothers of Satan gasoline barrels and machetes by explosion of gas from cookers...
You sill do not realized, that if machetes and this gasoline stuff were so effective, than why regular armies is using the modern firearms and explosive?
I suggest to you mr, go in you closest army, and say to soldiers that they are fools, and using so ineffective weapons, and they must change it to the gasoline and stuff
Nah mr mr phe, you gasoline and machetes totally sux against even a single AK-rifle... In general, AK-rifle is more effective, more easy to use, and more lethal against humans than any gasoline bottles or a machetes. The end of story.
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he became distinguishaed when opened fire...some from the rest of people there should have shot him dead...
And this is your main problem, mr phe, you think about gunfight like it is came from the hollywood movies about Transformers
But the reality is much more difficult. If the guys staring shooting into a mob - it is too late already... Bullets a very quick, assault rifles can launch a very many bullets per second, and even a single bullet can kill or/and horribly cripple some peoples, so they will be no able to perform almost any action for some time... regardless if they have a firearms or not. That because the soldiers that was in the wars, and police so nervous. Because they know how dangerous the firearm is, and how life of the human can be easy takes off with it. But they will not have such fear to the machetes and gasoline .
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I didn't..however I participated several times in farm pigs' slaughtering...awful and stinky...
it was more than 25 years ago when I was a kid...more than half of my life I don't eat meat it's now 20 years...killing animal or human is not so easy but not so hard...depends on size..is it free or bounded...killing captured harmless kid with knife or machete by souless murder seems not difficult for him...
So you can easily imagine how the process of killing will be drastically easier with the assault rifle. You can kill/horribly cripple dozens of pigs from a ~50 meters with a modern assault rifle, for a very short time, even if you only few times holds the rifle in your life.
the pigs, civilians, civilian mob with guns - will be almost no difference for a bullets. It is impossible to be done with a knife, even for an adult, do not even talk about kids.
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most efficient way is home-schooling...enchanced with some good stuff and methods...schools are no needed for it...kids stay at home with mother or grandparents not on the streets...
Ahhh our great Disneyland .
Mr phe, do you think the grand'ancestors will have enough skill to give a normal education for a kid? Can they teach kids by a foreign language or a Geography, or Mathematics?
Do you think kids will state half of the day with their grands at home, as they staying half of the day in the schools? Are you sure about that?
What about kids, that have no grandies? Who will teach them?
Well, I hold myslef so hard to not unleash a bucket of sarcasm on you mr phe, but I hope you realized by yourself the fundamental lacks of your utopia...
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I saw propably only tiny not significant ones...but all we saw dangerous criminals in tv...
if all people have guns and self-defence right they wouldn't exist...
Nah, your country probably will not exist anymore, in the reality, only "on the paper", due to the chaos and civil war, that will be caused by that. But a gangs and criminal will be fine, there is a paradise for them, if anyone will be allowed to have and hold a guns.
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gangs look like army, army looks like gang..we don't need them both...both have similar features...live on expense of others...gangs by robbery, slavery, human trafficing, armies by being supprorted from taxes which consume great part of our job...so they both seem like each other ...having similar sexual activities...
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Well, some countries indeed have such problems, but the allowing of the gun to the everyone, is not a solution.
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I don't think I would get proper explanation...it would be often talk similar to talk with gang member...
Do not judge everyone by your expressions in the past.
The peoples made a different choices, even in the similar conditions, so they are different. But yeah, if in your country all is so bad, then your county military stuff will be bad too, this is obviously. Common soldiers - it is a civilians yesterday, and the civilians tomorrow. So if the society is highly criminalized, the army will be the same.
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similar carnage could be result of use of many other weapons knifes, machetes, baseball clubs, stones, gasoline bottles etc...however didn't happen so far...
Nope, some level of effectiveness and "easy to use" is unreachable for knifes, machetes and gasoline, and stuff, for a single man, in this case. But this high level is reachable with the modern firearms.
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we have many clues...we can be more cautious and suspicious...we can make investigations...
Okay, no problem, when you will find something real, but not your imagination. Just expose it, what a problems at all?
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we can identify criminal and terrorist in the moment of commiting crime and kill them just after...
police and secret services don't give as security against terrorism...whatsmore they create it...isn't ISIS and others made by CIA?
I will repeat, the criminals doing crimes, and they usually trying to be undetectable before and after.
If you will find a terrorist, during the attack - it is too late.
The criminal and terrorist is hard to be identified even by a professionals from the police. The mob with guns will be totally useless in this case.
Again you imagination, without any single frigging fact. This is boring me, mr phe. Frigging ISIS, with the same frigging success, can be created, by anyone that have a power Or it just can appear, because the amount of weapons that has been transported to the Africa and Middle East, is unreal... Who hell knows, what can appear in such instability Why this "yankee-guys"? That because you have a hallucination about that . If you have no facts - please, do not bother me with such stuff, because it is hard for myself, to answers without a lot of sarcasm
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good state doesn't need to do all these researches...good economy and living conditions makes many nowadays proplems non-existing...eradication of criminality makes many nowadays problems
non-existing...some care of enironment...judging conflicts...
Good state is does not to need all this researches? What? Well the state in the Disneyland, with this monarch Bugs Bunny, maybe.
But not in the real world. The almost all successful military technologies - is a result of such kind of researches.
Important decision in the company, cannot by done without help of the analytic centers, because in the other cases, you may a huge chance to fail.
As you may know, the all of the successful corporations, for an example:
   
All of this corporations is a very successful, and the all of them have a many analytic centers . . . So in general, if you want to be successful - you need the analytic centers, and main confirmation center, this is a minimum. And your mr phe, "monarchy" is a little bit sux The history already showed it.
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guns should be allowed on the streets...criminals would not survive long time...
In the your imaginary Disneyland, perhaps, but I have bring enough examples that easily brakes such utopias . No police. No army. Everyone allowed to have a gun - This is the paradise for a criminals!
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gasoline bottles used in ambush in large numbers can do hell...if someone will mount
Yeah, I will see how someone will throw this bottless against assault rifle . Mr phe, the assault rifle, from the ambush in the single number , can left much more victims, crying on the ground, by a much more smaller amount of time, from the much larger range than any bottle with a gasoline .
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flamethrower on his cart or car and go to crowded place...
imagine kidnapped fire truck of fire brigade using gasoline instead of water in mounted water cannon on top...
imagine detonation of gasoline carring truck in crowdy places...
sometimes gasoline is more effective than assault rifles...
Yeah .... Yeah, I am also imagine the idiots that will planing that, and if the guns is allowed, they will screw all this nonsense! pick up the single machinegun guys, and a few packs of AP-ammo! . And that will be far more easier, and with a far more effectiveness.
The frostysh, even being young when he passed through this mission of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 , have his own head and mind, so frostysh killed a zero civilians, even a special-forces that arrived (few sf guys where wounded), and this is on the maximum possible difficulty setting, and frostysh is a very proud about that . Whahahhaha .
Besides, is a very good example, you can imagine, mr phe, this mob with a guns, - the result will be the same. Even if you have a gun, mr phe, and you have no body armor, and someone close to you direct his/her machinegun in your side - it is too late already.. That because soldiers is feels so nervous when they see a man with a gun. And that because they have identification stuff, such as uniform, to not kill each other in the stress situations. A truly different from you mob with guns.
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we don't see everyday violence without use of guns too..it wouldn't be so if everybdy had guns...
This is simple - mdoern firearms is much more effective in case of violence. Why you do not see the everyday massacres with a grenades and AK-rifles in the Africa through you new-chennel, there is no one care. And there no one who is staying there to show it. The poor rural areas everyday hell, I can say no more.
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I can imagine that...criminals would not surive long time...artillery is used there only where war is..I haven't heard about single use of artillery in criminal fight...anyway no big diffrence...machetes seem worse...
Nah, artilerry using is common i the poor rural areas, there is a lot of small-med. cal field artillery, but some of this toys is much more expensive than AK. And forgot that artillery can do serious damage to the infrastructure itsles, this toys can create a panic, a chaos... What a wonderful picture will be for a the enemy country of yours, " The enemies ruining themselves " Whahha.
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Well, this is a circus, , of course such huge gang have even a tanks... But anyway, as an example.
Nah, machete sux by effectiveness even comparing to the poor sidearm pistol. Forgot about comparing artillery mr phe to it, this is even not a Disneyland anymore, this looks like .. nevermind
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don't forget it's Hollywood movie...
This movie is much mroe close to the reality, than anything that you mr phe, have said about guns. If look at beginning of this movie, you will see, how the civilian man with gun is vulnerable against ambush that created by a criminals, that using the same guns.
Civilian guys is living by his everyday life in the other cases, he will not be civilian anymore. The everyday life of criminals - is to rob, torture and to kill this civilian guys. So what happens when this two type of lifestyle is meeting. Usually bad thing happens, a very bad things. Even if a civilian will have a tank in his basement, this is will be useless when he will fall on the ground by second, with a bullet-hole in his torso...
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getting killed and no mercy too...
Yeah, but search you need locate them... And this case, you need a police. From the any points of view, your Disneyland mr phe, sux as hell .
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prooved...real life estimations...worked and will work...
Yeah. your model of society is a truly proven and exist as a result of the evolution in the rich countries
Mr phe, you thinking locally, I am sorry, but for myself it is looks like dreams of child . Imaginary world, with antigravity stuff and guns everywhere Jesus ... Christ I am sorry.
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computers are complicated too...it's not military who build them...
So young, so naive Whahaha.
Mr phe, even the Almighty Internet, that u are using right now, some time ago was a military program stuff Internet. For a computer that doing a military stuff, such as monitoring radar systems, satellites, you need a military personal that will be a service supply for that. . But of course, first you need a military scientist to create them, and then a secret-service to protect your technologies .
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it would be pointless to implement armless drones and uniformed people...not have to be regular army...only called when needed...deactivated or doing other jobs in everyday life...not many
regulars...
And who will fix this drones when they will broke, the thugs will hack them and use them in the their own goals? .
Called when they needed? When? For an assault rifle, is need a few seconds to kill/cripple a dozens of peoples. So more looks like, this drones will be just a body-transporters in the Disneyland
Whahahaha. Bugs Bunny, Micki-Mouse where are you, guys, wee need your help to fix this drones Whahahaha . I am sorry.
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they are ineffective as criminals and terroists still exist...
Your drones and antigravity mob with guns is looks much more better Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhha. I am sorry.
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they can neither do anything against any organized group of armed people...
Organized group of the peoples, armed with military stuff - is looks like an army.
They will need for a regular army-training to be effective. If you just arm the guys from the street, and make for them some mission, the will kill each other, or just run away with screams...
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armed civilians should be reserves to police and army...
Opps. For now we need a police and regular army. Wow! I thought the guys with antigravity crafts will no need the army and police. What happens mr phe, Omg Omg . Such reserve is called "national guard" in the US, for an example, or something like that. They are trained to be effective. But they are no like a mob with guns
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there is not such danger as sudden aggression...proccess of monitoring if attack comes could automatized...
I have no doubts, enemy antigravity-stealth bombers, with a full load, will warn your country before the attack.
And their secret-service, that will crack down all your "automatic defense computers" will warn you too, about that .
The is not danger as sudden aggression, mr phe, because the politicians and secret services exist... .
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and there will be not such situation that baseball-armed niggas chasing people on one of main streets 11pm or in tube...
Now, in the your chaos, with civil war state, will be no more basebal leages, and nigga will be armed with the machineguns, Cmon! .
I just wonder, what idiot will use machetes when he/she can obtain a machinegun .
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armed civilians is chepest and the best way to get rid of criminals and to deter aggression of other country...
criminals would have rightaway execution instead of next note in criminal records...
professional police would be propably required but maybe 10% of what is now when we eradicate criminality...so not much interest in police to fight crime seriously...
This is a recipe of madness and chaos, and civil war, mr phe. Or a Disneyland utopia.
This armed civilians will become a crime-guys by themselves. No one will control them, anyone, that have a gun, can kill someone and say - "that was criminal".
I just wonder, how, and when you, mr phe, came to this ... models?
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temporary army of armed honest civilians...civil war could be the same between army divisions...as it was many times in Roman Empire..recently in Turkey 2-days' civil war...
"Temporary army" and ahh, what if the criminals to feel a danger, just hide and restrict their "deeds" by some time . Mr phe, army is ineffective against criminals (but not in Somalia ), you need police.
Second off, this "honest peoples", how can you check that they "honest", perhaps the criminals pay to some of them, or scared some of them, etc.. You need a secret-service to check all of that .
Disneyland-Disneyland, our dear Disneyland again and again Whaaaaaaaaaahahah .
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I doubt if there is so many of guns...people sell them for food propably...
Yep. Or use it to obtain food/good from the other peoples, that is armed also. Or to make a food directly from the peoples, to be more preciously - from their bodies .
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no one notice cannnons towed on the street of New York...everybody there has big garage to hold there several cannons...somehow we had massacre in WTC there anyway...jet fuel was used...much bigger than in Kenya/Somalia..done by secret services...
The bigger number of victims than in Kenya/Somalia, are you frigging kidding me? Everyday hell in such countries, killed a millions of peoples trough a modern history... And attack on WTC appeared only once. 3,000 comparing to the 350 millions, it is not so many... I percents. The problem of such countries as Somalia/Kenya, that no one counts the victims in the poor rural areas, of the everyday hell..
Well, I remembering stuff that said one guy from UN mission, in some country, to public into news. She said that she is curing health in the mental hospital, after she was witness of buried alive dozens of kids. - As result of a common inter-gang conflict... The missions there, has been suspended... .
Well I am sorry, of course I have sorrow about all those peoples, but I just saying a facts.
Mr phe, such huge cal. cannons, this is even not a assault rifles... To allow such weapon in the 20 million city with a 15k / sq. km density of population. Well, what I can to say. Your Disneyland, mr phe, is becoming even more cool whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaah .
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against infantry, tanks, helis, low and medium altitude aircraft strikes...
having antigravity crafts we can destroy even starships...
Yeah, civilians will destroy a military war machines. Yeah. Like Buggs Bunny the rabbit, in the movie . But not in the real life mr phe.
Well, you can try to hit a modern aircraft, such as this one .
or like this one
What will happens if a dozens of high cal. cannons the operators of which will be a civilian mob, will be used against such modern weapons, as posted right above?
You civilian will not even realize what happens, they will just look on the body part and a "broken dolls" on the ground , and to the scorched cannons.
About a modern bombers, fighter, I do not want even talk.
The same will happens with your civilian guys on antigravity. The enemy war-machines of the regular army will squash them, will tear apart them, like a sheet paper. Then they will bring a hell itself to your country. And then they will return to home, lays in their beds, and living long and peaceful after their army service will end. Till that time, your country will a hell-hole for hundred of years. This will will probably happens in the real world, but not in your imaginary Disneyland, mr phe.
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there were massacres in Africa with use of machetes not so long ago...
This is a gang-style. To make a fear of them. If it is a serious "deal" they will use tanks .
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regression not progress in many crucial aspects...some good solution are forgotten...
As I see, your proposing a many good solutions .
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if we all had guns ..criminals would less often risk if existed at all...
Or they will just use land-mines, and cannons .
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there could be also fights of army divisons...could last long too...civil war in Korea and China have been lasting for more than 60 years...armies on both sides...
somtimes chaos could be more deterrant than corrupted army...
Mr phe, you are talkin so, because you never lived in such chaos .
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I assure it's true...can deliver many evidences...
What evidences mr phe? A words of yours? Yeah.. A words of the another peoples? Like about Resurrection fo the Holy Jesus Christ? There is a lot of evidence too .
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If he swearS it , I will not...but if we have great amount of Americans as hostages of these promise and significant bail will be paid...President, political parties, army, secret services,
all administration and all ithers who trust them and these hosteges to be executed and deprived of property if allegation turn out true...would be diffrence...
Nah .
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explain please...seems wishful thinking...
unless I will find the same or better technologies...
my snowry would not stand alone...there are some alliances...some other countries can attack agressor with modern weapons just because they are agressors...
I tired to repeat that for a modern weapon is need a modern regular army. A research centers to develop this weapons. For the aliances you need politic stuff, and a secret-service. If you will have nothing like that, your country will be just a poor pawn and victim.
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antigravity mob would not be even necessary but proper amount of anti-missile fire from protecting cannons...no agressor's forces aren't limitless...
Mr phe do you now, what means a decays? A splitting warheads? This is means you have a single target, after a few second you have a one thousand of the single targets that with a cosmic speed closing to their destinations.... The cities of your country, to make from this cities a junkyards.
What cannans, mr phe? You make me laugh
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they are not civilians but they produce similar stuff every day in their companies...I need just to make order with all specifications...
monitoring defences could be easily automatized...
What companies mr phe, that companies that will be "in serve" of the enemy secret service?
About automatization - do not say such nonsense, and better watch "Fail Safe" . But in the any cases you will need a regular army to do all of this operations.
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bombers and rockets would be earlier annihilated by defence cannons...there is anti-EM-screaming stuff too...they would need to use all his assault warheads power to defeat large numbers of
antigravity crafts which don't even need electronics...some of them can carry nuclear/antimatter warheads too to defeat swarm of ICBMs the rest of antigravity crafts could be decoys and intercept ICBM with cannons or collissions...
Wow... Amazing Disneyland..
Mr phe, giving to civilians the such powerful weapon as Matter/Anti-Matterr warhed, this will be the last mistake that your Disneyland will made. Your enemies after that is noo need to perform any action to defeat you, they just will watch the show - the burning horizon, the place, where your country was Whahhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Crafts without electronic stuff. Interesting how they can be controlled, and how they will aim their weapons into a millions of warheads/decays that closing with a cosmic speed to the destinations... Whooohoho.
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antigravity crafts are weapons in itself..are they manned or not... high speed...collission course...
Collision. course Mr phe do you realizing how difficult will be too hit warhead with such stuff? Especially without electronics Probably not, nevermind .... . Well, I will say for short - It is almost impossible. The end of story.
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many of them having armies didn't survive...
some countries
don't have army...
Whahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Their happy that a politicians and other services, of the OTHER countries that have an army is keeping this countries alive... A very powerful countries, indeed. Especially Marshal Islands, and such stuff.
phe said:
spread of madness, chaos, poverty results from policy of current and former governments..
350 millions peoples of the US will be disagree with you, because they have country that have one of the best life quality on the Earth.
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ruins can left from any country...
Nah, the country that have a huge professional regular army, secret-services, politic stuff, and 10 thousands of megaton warheads have a hell good chances to survive .
Because most of countries cannot do a serious harm to this country, but countries that can do serious harm, will fear retaliation. That's all.
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help of other countries wasn't necessary...only good development condition required...
Nah, first you will need to beg your enemy to cease fire . Because you see, the city that developed through a 100 years, can be destroyed in 30 seconds with a modern weapons.
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IN your imaginary Disneyland - perhaps, but in the real world. Criminals is vary hard to be distinguished from the other civilians. They have no uniform, signs, or something like. Of course, for an exception, to the gangs in the poor rural problem areas of the Earth. Where they is no need to hide.
Criminals just masquerade themselves, then they will do their "dishonest acts" against your "honest peoples", they will left a small amount of traces, and no witnesses and then, after a few days, they will come to buy a PopCorn in the SuperMarket, as a normal peoples, a far from the place where they tortured and murdered some "honest" peoples to obtain their good. Many of the criminals even have a families. The end of story.
of course honest people are unarmed; they were never before criminals, there is no video security systems; any suspected person after no circumstances can have mind scanned...
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Yeah, I will see how you will make this "brain scanning" to expose a criminals in the 350 - millions population state, the stuff like that, can easily cause a revolt and a civil war...
civil war in which all criminals will be killed...
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I can make a suggestions, that your "experience", mr phe, it is the same as "spiritual experience" of some peoples during their conversations with the angels, and gods, and stuff . I need facts , not you words mr phe. The end of story.
similar indeed...becuase many of these spiritual experinces were induced by mind control however by aliens...
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You sill do not realized, that if machetes and this gasoline stuff were so effective, than why regular armies is using the modern firearms and explosive?
I suggest to you mr, go in you closest army, and say to soldiers that they are fools, and using so ineffective weapons, and they must change it to the gasoline and stuff
gasoline is less convinient maybe but can cause similar effects or better in many situations...taking control of bunkers and buildings...
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Nah mr mr phe, you gasoline and machetes totally sux against even a single AK-rifle... In general, AK-rifle is more effective, more easy to use, and more lethal against humans than any gasoline bottles or a machetes. The end of story.
after several weeks of shooting when there is no more ammo machetes are more effective...
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nd this is your main problem, mr phe, you think about gunfight like it is came from the hollywood movies about Transformers
But the reality is much more difficult. If the guys staring shooting into a mob - it is too late already... Bullets a very quick, assault rifles can launch a very many bullets per second, and even a single bullet can kill or/and horribly cripple some peoples, so they will be no able to perform almost any action for some time... regardless if they have a firearms or not. That because the soldiers that was in the wars, and police so nervous. Because they know how dangerous the firearm is, and how life of the human can be easy takes off with it. But they will not have such fear to the machetes and gasoline .
some of mob members can survive by laying on the ground and return fire...
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So you can easily imagine how the process of killing will be drastically easier with the assault rifle. You can kill/horribly cripple dozens of pigs from a ~50 meters with a modern assault rifle, for a very short time, even if you only few times holds the rifle in your life.
the pigs, civilians, civilian mob with guns - will be almost no difference for a bullets. It is impossible to be done with a knife, even for an adult, do not even talk about kids.
quite the same by use of Mother of Satan, gasline, flamethrowers...
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Mr phe, do you think the grand'ancestors will have enough skill to give a normal education for a kid? Can they teach kids by a foreign language or a Geography, or Mathematics?
Do you think kids will state half of the day with their grands at home, as they staying half of the day in the schools? Are you sure about that?
What about kids, that have no grandies? Who will teach them?
Well, I hold myslef so hard to not unleash a bucket of sarcasm on you mr phe, but I hope you realized by yourself the fundamental lacks of your utopia...
if not I will teach them after work, weekends and vacations...they have PC some books, PC, free education programms, AI teachers in some future to learn from...there are also people who like to teach for free children in their free time...
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Nah, your country probably will not exist anymore, in the reality, only "on the paper", due to the chaos and civil war, that will be caused by that. But a gangs and criminal will be fine, there is a paradise for them, if anyone will be allowed to have and hold a guns.
there will be no more crminals if people have guns...
your country could be in chaos and civil wars too...teaching bad and giving no perspectives...all kids will have to attend public schools along with criminals...
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Common soldiers - it is a civilians yesterday, and the civilians tomorrow. So if the society is highly criminalized, the army will be the same.
somehow they seems below avarage of honesty, of diligence and of will to change job if necessary...
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Nope, some level of effectiveness and "easy to use" is unreachable for knifes, machetes and gasoline, and stuff, for a single man, in this case. But this high level is reachable with the modern firearms.
knives, machete , gasoline barrels in close combat, traps...gasoline bottles, flamethrowers in medium...specially made "fireworks" in medium and far distance...we can also use catapults with barrels of fuel on long range...;-)
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I will repeat, the criminals doing crimes, and they usually trying to be undetectable before and after.
they are often fail in it...commiting crime against somebody is always risk of self-defence, some witness help to victim or leave some witnesses, video recordings etc...
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If you will find a terrorist, during the attack - it is too late.
sometimes for vicims , sometimes for terrorists if people are armed... sometimes can notice some preparations...
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The criminal and terrorist is hard to be identified even by a professionals from the police. The mob with guns will be totally useless in this case.
Again you imagination, without any single frigging fact. This is boring me, mr phe. Frigging ISIS, with the same frigging success, can be created, by anyone that have a power Or it just can appear, because the amount of weapons that has been transported to the Africa and Middle East, is unreal... Who hell knows, what can appear in such instability Why this "yankee-guys"?
That because you have a hallucination about that . If you have no facts - please, do not bother me with such stuff, because it is hard for myself, to answers without a lot of sarcasm
you ignore common known facts as a fact that mind control is not a secret anymore...
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Good state is does not to need all this researches? What? Well the state in the Disneyland, with
this monarch Bugs Bunny, maybe.
But not in the real world. The almost all successful military technologies - is a result of such kind of researches.
Important decision in the company, cannot by done without help of the analytic centers, because in the other cases, you may a huge chance to fail.
As you may know, the all of the successful corporations, for an example:
All of this corporations is a very successful, and the all of them have a many analytic centers
. . . So in general, if you want to be successful - you need the analytic centers, and main confirmation center, this is a minimum. And your mr phe, "monarchy" is a little bit sux The history already showed it.
many countries don't do military researches and are doing pretty well having military stuff from broad or not...
democracy and armies and military rule usually sux...as we see nowadays...
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In the your imaginary Disneyland, perhaps, but I have bring enough examples that easily brakes such utopias . No police. No army. Everyone allowed to have a gun - This is the paradise for a criminals!
criminals would be quickly killed by ordinary people, drones, little police and little army...
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Yeah, I will see how someone will throw this bottless against assault rifle . Mr phe, the assault rifle, from the ambush in the single number , can left much more victims, crying on the ground, by a much more smaller amount of time, from the much larger range than any bottle with a gasoline .
word "ambush" is more danger than assault rifle..ambush with flamethrower or lot of gasoline bottles or detonation of barrel of gasoline is similar in danger...
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eah .... Yeah, I am also imagine the idiots that will planing that, and if the guns is allowed, they will screw all this nonsense! pick up the single machinegun guys, and a few packs of AP-ammo! . And that will be far more easier, and with a far more effectiveness.
proper guns are expensive and not always available...
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Besides, is a very good example, you can imagine, mr phe, this mob with a guns, - the result will be the same. Even if you have a gun, mr phe, and you have no body armor, and someone close to you direct his/her machinegun in your side - it is too late already.. That because soldiers is feels so nervous when they see a man with a gun. And that because they have identification stuff, such as uniform, to not kill each other in the stress situations. A truly different from you mob with guns.
soldiers get used to if everybody has gun...
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This is simple - mdoern firearms is much more effective in case of violence. Why you do not see the everyday massacres with a grenades and AK-rifles in the Africa through you new-chennel, there is no one care. And there no one who is staying there to show it. The poor rural areas everyday hell, I can say no more.
I see Mother of Satan and cars and trucks driven into crowd...planes full of people crashed by own pilots...
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Nah, artilerry using is common i the poor rural areas, there is a lot of small-med. cal field artillery, but some of this toys is much more expensive than AK. And forgot that artillery can do serious damage to the infrastructure itsles, this toys can create a panic, a chaos... What a wonderful picture will be for a the enemy country of yours, " The enemies ruining themselves "
Whahha.
any overuse of weapons whatever guns or artillery will be punished by death...
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Well, this is a circus, , of course such huge gang have even a tanks... But anyway, as an example.
Nah, machete sux by effectiveness even comparing to the poor sidearm pistol. Forgot about comparing artillery mr phe to it, this is even not a Disneyland anymore, this looks like ..
nevermind
people often rebel against bad gangs and governments...
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This movie is much mroe close to the reality, than anything that you mr phe, have said about guns. If look at beginning of this movie, you will see, how the civilian man with gun is vulnerable against ambush that created by a criminals, that using the same guns.
Civilian guys is living by his everyday life in the other cases, he will not be civilian anymore. The everyday life of criminals - is to rob, torture and to kill this civilian guys. So what happens when this two type of lifestyle is meeting. Usually bad thing happens, a very bad things. Even if a civilian will have a tank in his basement, this is will be useless when he will fall on the ground by second, with a bullet-hole in his torso...
many criminals were killed by civilians throuhout the history...propably ambushes on criminals set by honest people also happen...
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Yeah, but search you need locate them... And this case, you need a police. From the any points of view, your Disneyland mr phe, sux as hell .
people often know where the are and will find them with police or without...could be rewarded for it like on the "westerns", bounty hunters etc...
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Yeah. your model of society is a truly proven and exist as a result of the evolution in the rich countries
criminals were eradicated at leat two times in history...in China and Sweden...they were not so rich that time...criminals were plague...criminals are not doing pretty well on Taiwan and in Singapore where are quite strict punishments...
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Mr phe, you thinking locally, I am sorry, but for myself it is looks like dreams of child.
Imaginary world, with antigravity stuff and guns everywhere Jesus ... Christ I am sorry.
I think you are too young and not too good to be like this...
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Mr phe, even the Almighty Internet, that u are using right now, some time ago was a military program stuff Internet. For a computer that doing a military stuff, such as monitoring radar systems, satellites, you need a military personal that will be a service supply for that. . But of course, first you need a military scientist to create them, and then a secret-service to protect your technologies .
internet would be created anyway...not every technoloy we use was developed for military purpose...
we need regular manufacturers of similar civilian stuff to order it...we need one man to monitor all of these..could be head of the state, member of government...not really military...
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And who will fix this drones when they will broke, the thugs will hack them and use them in the their own goals? .
Called when they needed? When? For an assault rifle, is need a few seconds to kill/cripple a dozens of peoples. So more looks like, this drones will be just a body-transporters in the Disneyland
Whahahaha. Bugs Bunny, Micki-Mouse where are you, guys, wee need your help to fix this drones Whahahaha . I am sorry.
many kind of weapons theoreticaly could be stolen and used against former owner...for sure there are some securities to prevent hacking...
have you ever heard of services provided by manufacturer?...they can teach some civilian technicians from my country how to service these stuff...we can have some drons in reserve...
why drones should be used to be as transport for bodies of criminals? let vultures eat some...
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Organized group of the peoples, armed with military stuff - is looks like an army.
They will need for a regular army-training to be effective. If you just arm the guys from the street, and make for them some mission, the will kill each other, or just run away with screams...
if not many enemis they don't need to be trained...practise will make them effective...why should they kill each other...sometimes maybe it happens but it hppens in professional armies
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never said we don't need them at all but we need them in much very small numbers...to be replaced by new ones anyway...
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I have no doubts, enemy antigravity-stealth bombers, with a full load, will warn your country before the attack.
stealth isn't truly invisible just radius of seeing it is limited...initiating war create risk of retaliation and attack of other countries...similar stealth or not stealth antigravity bombers can attack invader's territory...
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And their secret-service, that will crack down all your "automatic defense computers" will warn you too, about that .
there is some screening against those tricks...if not they will be disabled anyway whatever army or automatons will protect a country...
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The is not danger as sudden aggression, mr phe, because the politicians and secret services exist... .
risk exist because of them...
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Now, in the your chaos, with civil war state, will be no more basebal leages, and nigga will be armed with the machineguns, Cmon! .
I just wonder, what idiot will use machetes when he/she can obtain a machinegun .
machinegun is more epensive and less available...and has disadvantage...need ammo...
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This is a recipe of madness and chaos, and civil war, mr phe. Or a Disneyland utopia.
This armed civilians will become a crime-guys by themselves. No one will control them, anyone,
that have a gun, can kill someone and say - "that was criminal".
I just wonder, how, and when you, mr phe, came to this ... models?
they can become but they will not...because they are honest...because being criminal is risky...because of mind-control...
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Temporary army" and ahh, what if the criminals to feel a danger, just hide and restrict their "deeds" by some time . Mr phe, army is ineffective against criminals (but not in Somalia ), you need police.
for some time we need some order forces there...it's extreme situation...we need punishment
instruments...but we don't need so many soldiers and police-officers forever...we need also good development conditions there...
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Second off, this "honest peoples", how can you check that they "honest", perhaps the criminals
pay to some of them, or scared some of them, etc.. You need a secret-service to check all of that
we need to check if there were some complains about them...
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Yeah, civilians will destroy a military war machines. Yeah. Like Buggs Bunny the rabbit, in the movie . But not in the real life mr phe.
depends on numbers, equipment, morale, luck etc...
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Well, you can try to hit a modern aircraft, such as this one .
can they survive hits from 20-100 mm shells? dispersed mob with such weapons can destroy these helis...
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The same will happens with your civilian guys on antigravity. The enemy war-machines of the regular army will squash them, will tear apart them, like a sheet paper. Then they will bring a hell itself to your country. And then they will return to home, lays in their beds, and living long and peaceful after their army service will end.
antigravity craft have high energy by its speed...even unarmed seems efective by collissions...
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If it is a serious "deal" they will use tanks
Or they will just use land-mines, and cannons
no gurantee of success in it...enemies can have this stuff too or have allies..
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you are talkin so, because you never lived in such chaos
doesn't matter...
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I tired to repeat that for a modern weapon is need a modern regular army. A research centers to develop this weapons. For the aliances you need politic stuff, and a secret-service. If you will have nothing like that, your country will be just a poor pawn and victim.
I tired to reapeat I can order it abroad...every country has politic stuff...secret service is not required for aliances...
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Mr phe do you now, what means a decays? A splitting warheads? This is means you have a single target, after a few second you have a one thousand of the single targets that with a cosmic speed closing to their destinations.... The cities of your country, to make from this cities a junkyards.
there is not so many decays...maybe several to one warhead...bringing them into space cost...and
it's nothing against defence cannons and swarm of antigravity inteeceptors...
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What cannans, mr phe? You make me laugh
something like this...
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What companies mr phe, that companies that will be "in serve" of the enemy secret service?
why should they? I would order only there where they don't serve to my enemy...
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About automatization - do not say such nonsense, and better watch "Fail Safe" . But in the any cases you will need a regular army to do all of this operations.
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Mr phe, giving to civilians the such powerful weapon as Matter/Anti-Matterr warhed, this will be the last mistake that your Disneyland will made. Your enemies after that is noo need to perform any action to defeat you, they just will watch the show - the burning horizon, the place, where your country was Whahhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa.
just in serious danger...
many Soviet suitcases with A-bomb inside were lost becasue they were in hands of professionals...
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Crafts without electronic stuff. Interesting how they can be controlled, and how they will aim their weapons into a millions of warheads/decays that closing with a cosmic speed to the destinations... Whooohoho.
manual control like in classic old fashioned aircrafts...eyes as detectors...or simple radars based on electron tubes...
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Collision. course Mr phe do you realizing how difficult will be too hit warhead with such stuff? Especially without electronics Probably not, nevermind .... . Well, I will say for short - It is almost impossible. The end of story.
shouldn't be so difficult...if miss try again...in not from front try from side or tale of ICBM...
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Their happy that a politicians and other services, of the OTHER countries that have an army is
keeping this countries alive... A very powerful countries, indeed. Especially Marshal Islands, and such stuff.
they keep theirself alive by theirselves not by othe countries...agressors aren't liked and usually have enemies...
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350 millions peoples of the US will be disagree with you, because they have country that have one of the best life quality on the Earth.
killing many people all-over the world, killing and misteating many US citizens even children,mind-control, making enemies, terrorists, sheer lies, taxes, schools, not implementing important new technologies, not so good living conditions, debts of te state can make them complain...
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Nah, the country that have a huge professional regular army, secret-services, politic stuff, and 10 thousands of megaton warheads have a hell good chances to survive .
Because most of countries cannot do a serious harm to this country, but countries that can do serious harm, will fear retaliation. That's all.
they can selfdestruct...weapons and warheads will become obsolete...because of stupidity, corruption, bad economy and bad living conditions there will be no money for new warheads...by technological changes they will not be so powerfull if every other country will be able to defend against it...
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phe said:
of course honest people are unarmed; they were never before criminals, there is no video security systems; any suspected person after no circumstances can have mind scanned...
MR phe, I showed to you a few times. That firearm will not protect civilians against criminals. Criminals will be well prepared, and civilians just living their own lives, as everyday. Even if civilians will have a tanks in the basements, this will not save them. And the police can protect or investigate and punish criminals, but not your imaginary brain-scanning, whom you will scan mr phe, if the bodies of civilian will laid in their house a half of day, and criminals till that time will be in the another city... The video-monitoring systems are wide-spread for today, and so what? Criminals are adopted.
phe said:
civil war in which all criminals will be killed...
Nope,
in such circumstances, the numbers of criminals will only rise, due to the difficult life conditions. You always forgetting that the criminals, or their supporters is a civilian peoples, actually.
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similar indeed...becuase many of these spiritual experinces were induced by mind control however by aliens...
The words, words, this wonderful words ...
I want to believe to you mr phe, but you see I need a facts not a fairy-tales Me sorry.
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gasoline is less convinient maybe but can cause similar effects or better in many situations...taking control of bunkers and buildings...
Ahha. in the other words - your gasoline is tight range of use tool, but the assault riffle is a wide-range tool, much more effective and deadly.
To be said, I see only one purpose of the Molotov-Cocktails - it is destroying of the civil vehicles . And I will not suggest to anyone use it against peoples or the modern military vehicles... The effectiveness in such cases will be fall drastically.
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after several weeks of shooting when there is no more ammo machetes are more effective..
Mr phe, in the military conflict through the world always is a lot of ammo. basic ammo is not much difficult to produce than machetes . 21th century - this is no joke baby!
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some of mob members can survive by laying on the ground and return fire...
yeah. I have no doubts. But first he/she is need to became like a dead, and then shoot in the back of this "dishonest mans", like a criminals and soldiers usually do . But more likely, if that survivors will be no soldier, he/she will be freezed for a long time by shock and his/her emotions, such as fear for his/her life , and that because will be no retaliation. Just a bucket of bodies, regardless if this bodies have a firearms or not. .
phe said:
quite the same by use of Mother of Satan, gasline, flamethrowers..
No one idiot will use such custom-made garbage if they will have a machineguns. As I said.
phe said:
if not I will teach them after work, weekends and vacations...they have PC some books, PC, free education programms, AI teachers in some future to learn from...there are also people who like to teach for free children in their free time...
Yeah, and then they will upgrade this technique like it already happens in the past - the will made a proffesional schools, when just one qualified teacher can teach a hundreds or a thousands of children, in the other cases you will have not enough teachers.
Besides, quality of the education of children that has been educated by a professional teachers and grannies will be, how it is to say, little bit different ...
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there will be no more crminals if people have guns...
your country could be in chaos and civil wars too...teaching bad and giving no perspectives...all kids will have to attend public schools along with criminals...
if not I will teach them after work, weekends and vacations...they have PC some books, PC, free education programms, AI teachers in some future to learn from...there are also people who like to teach for free children in their free time...
There will be no more country, only a name for that, the reality will be a chaos and anarchy when everyone can shoot anyone that he/she wants. As I said you thinking too locally, and you mr phe, have a hell no idea about a social habits of your "honest civilians" .
The country where I am located, will be in the chaos and a full-scale civil war, with the speed of sound if everyone will have a guns on the street. I can assure you in that.
"teaching bad", and I see how you proposing to "teach good" .
Mr phe, as for myself, in the school I was surrounded by a criminal-kids that sell/use a heavy drugs, rob/cripple peoples, fight on the knifes in the school, many of them already dead, etc, and all of this stuff. And so what? Me is not a criminal. Even more - I hate criminals. Well, I am lucky of course.
But I suggest to you mr phe, better to focus, your imagination, oops, I mean your models , on the quality of life and family-kiddo-psychological programs, that will help to eradicate a criminal habits in the children. And do not try to totally disband modern education system without a suitable alternative. I will repeat this crazy russians - "Lamat' ne stroeet'".
Of course AI-teachers is amazing future, but for now we have no effective implementation of such technologies on the global scale. When it happens, then we can speak. Till that - The end of story.
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somehow they seems below avarage of honesty, of diligence and of will to change job if necessary...
Well, I said it is only your subjective expression. You may try to find somebody normal in army, or you can try to serve by yourself there. This is brilliant idea mr phe
First off, you will scout the situation "from the inside".
Second off, you will obtain some expressions about how to proper shoot the mob of civilians that equipped with a guns .
I am a frigging genius! As always...
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knives, machete , gasoline barrels in close combat, traps...gasoline bottles, flamethrowers in medium...specially made "fireworks" in medium and far distance...we can also use catapults with barrels of fuel on long range...;-)
Or we can mount a huge cal., manufactured military toy, on the back of a truck, and that will replace the all your custom made garbage altogether, by far in the terms of effectiveness, and much more easier (of course if the guns were allowed) .
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they are often fail in it...commiting crime against somebody is always risk of self-defence, some witness help to victim or leave some witnesses, video recordings etc.
Criminals always count possibility of the self-defense, the because they carry a guns. They can show the guns to the civilians, that have no guns, rob them, and left them alive. If the criminals know that the civilians carry a guns too, the will kill them from the ambush/sneak attack, and take off what they want from bodies.
Even for the proffessional police is hard to locate criminals, after the crime, even if they have all this laboratories and stuff. For the n00b civilian mob, this is will be almost impossible.
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Ghoulish: The unknown suspects robbed the bank while wearing goblin masks and waving handguns
Not exactly criminal masterminds! Bungling bank robbers caught on camera after they took off goblin masks moments after heist
Not everyday the police is so lucky...
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sometimes for vicims , sometimes for terrorists if people are armed... sometimes can notice some preparations...
If the all peoples are armed, terr.-shooters is no need to hide anymore, they can walk into the kindersgarde or a hospital, holding a gun, and kill/cripple a few dozens of victims by a few seconds, before anyone could react... As I said, allowing guns in such way it is not only to risky it is a paradise for terrs. and crime-guys.
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you ignore common known facts as a fact that mind control is not a secret anymore...
I am usually ignoring "no doubts truth and facts" that someone trying to say through the almighty Internet, without any frigging single clue. It is like to read a Holy Book .
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many countries don't do military researches and are doing pretty well having military stuff from broad or not...
If some countries do not inform mister phe about their military researches, this is not means that this researches does not exist.
All this countries, that have a low military stuff, is the direct ally or protected by a powerful ones. Or this countries so weak, small, and nobody do not care for too much about them Is see no other way to survive.
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democracy and armies and military rule usually sux...as we see nowadays...
Your imaginary disneyland with the antigravity happy civilian mob, that will crash anything, and guns everywhere not sux, indeed .
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criminals would be quickly killed by ordinary people, drones, little police and little army...
Woow! Little police and the little army, this is the progress mr phe .
The problem, is that to distinguish the existing criminal or a future criminal from the mob of your "ordinary honest civilians" is not so easy. I think a good quality of life, good police, and strong army will do in this case more than all guns, and civilians in the world altogether .
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word "ambush" is more danger than assault rifle..ambush with flamethrower or lot of gasoline bottles or detonation of barrel of gasoline is similar in danger...
I suggest you to male an experiment, take a group of soldier. Place before them the weapon, your custom made garbage, and manufactured firearms and explosive for the ambush, yes the flamethrovers is also manufactured, such as this one soviet-toy, which a popular choice of someone, who have someone who can spent some resources, in the problem regions of the Earth:
And then you will see, what they will take. If the manufactured weapons will be available, no one idiot will use custom-made garbage. And modern manufactured weapons can totally satisfy any desire of peoples, just believe to me...
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proper guns are expensive and not always available...
They will be available if you will allow to care them for everyone, it is with no doubts. This is a low of commerce of somekind .
phe said:
soldiers get used to if everybody has gun...
I know soldier of two kind - gang soldier, and the army soldier. But the army soldier, grab with them the full modern military system and stuff . So mr phe, your utopia becoming is less like the utopia, at least in eyes of a particular, casual human - frostysh .
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I see Mother of Satan and cars and trucks driven into crowd...planes full of people crashed by own pilots...
Your lucky, that you have faced no carpet bombing runs or a nuclear explosions , or the other war-cahos which is have a totally devastating effect on the population.
For an example, usually in the Somalia "families", well, to be more preciously - the women, have a many children. But why the population of the Somalia so sux? Because of the poor quality of life, and war-chaos. To be clear - the peoples dying in the large numbers in the unspeakable suffering. That because US have 350 millions of peoples, and the problem countries have usually ~ 10 - 50 millions of peoples with a huge birth rate trough a half of century. .
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any overuse of weapons whatever guns or artillery will be punished by death...
Overuse? - I think you are mistaken in your imagination about modern artillery systems . The will be no overuse, this systems is need to be operated by a professionals with a good military education. And this system is not designed to avoid overuse - they designed to kill peoples in the large numbers, to make their cities like a dumpsters.
1, single "overuse" in the high density area - and viola, hundred of deaths.
Before someone another, again will use this allowed artillery, and then again, and the again. - Disneyland it so cool .
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people often rebel against bad gangs and governments...
Yes, and usually this peoples sponsored by some other government, or they are used like a pawns. And this is always means a chaos, the anarchy, huge level of crimes, war crimes, and oceans of blood. There is no exception in the history of mankind, and I have doubts that something will change in the nearest future.
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many criminals were killed by civilians throuhout the history...propably ambushes on criminals set by honest people also happen...
Yeah, and then the criminals will appear again, because they are part of society. Besides statistic of killed, on the side of your "honest civilians". Usually criminals are killed by another criminals or the police or the army .
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people often know where the are and will find them with police or without...could be rewarded for it like on the "westerns", bounty hunters etc...
Our dear Disneyland evolving .
If it may be so easy, there police may not exist, from the medieval times. Nah mr phe, the criminals is like to make a "tourney" only a fool idiots or a full-armed very well organized gangs repeatedly doing criminal stuff in the place were they lived.
Westerns were in times, without assault rifles and 15 k peoples / sq. km density of population, and there US have only few/tens of millions peoples, not a hundreds of millions. But yeah, such thing is common in the Somalia and such places, you are right , because police there is only the name. So if someone is want to revenge for his/her family that taken for the "body parts" , he/she acting alone, or pay to someone. - This is my imagination, and my Disneyland, mr phe whahahahahahaaaaa. .
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criminals were eradicated at leat two times in history...in China and Sweden...they were not so rich that time...criminals were plague...criminals are not doing pretty well on Taiwan and in Singapore where are quite strict punishments...
I have no doubts, that your was in the CPR and other mentioned countries, and look by yourself of the level of crimes there .
Mr phe, I do not know the precedents of the history, where criminals was eliminated by anything, armed mob - whahahhaha. Are frigging kidding me... Criminal habits, it is somekind of the uncutable habit of the any society In the some places, with a good quality of life, the level of that is low, in the some places with a low quality of life, the level of that is high. This is a law of nature, somekind.
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frostysh said:
Mr phe, you thinking locally, I am sorry, but for myself it is looks like dreams of child.
Imaginary world, with antigravity stuff and guns everywhere Jesus ... Christ I am sorry.
I think you are too young and not too good to be like this...
Sure .
phe said:
internet would be created anyway...not every technoloy we use was developed for military purpose...
phe said:
we need regular manufacturers of similar civilian stuff to order it...we need one man to monitor all of these..could be head of the state, member of government...not really military...
Yeah, 350 millions, with the all complexity of the mdoern society, with all of this external treats, and all of this snow monitored by a single man. A dreams, a sweet lands of wonders .
phe said:
many kind of weapons theoreticaly could be stolen and used against former owner...for sure there are some securities to prevent hacking...
Yeahhh, this securities are professionals, and they usually called - a secret-service
phe said:
have you ever heard of services provided by manufacturer?...they can teach some civilian technicians from my country how to service these stuff...we can have some drons in reserve.
Mr phe, I and you, heard a very little about a secret-service. Why? - Because they doing job fine .
Mr phe, educated civilians as a secret-service will be no more civilians, they will be s-s.
phe said:
why drones should be used to be as transport for bodies of criminals? let vultures eat some...
Yeayhh, because in your wonderland, will be a magic bullets and a shrapnel that will hit only a criminal guys
phe said:
if not many enemis they don't need to be trained...practise will make them effective...why should they kill each other...sometimes maybe it happens but it hppens in professional armies
too...
Mr phe, the anyone with a gun on the street it is a potential a very painful end of your life, regardless if you are armed or not. So anyone with a gun, is a potential enemy .
Why to shoot into each other? Well you should try yourself in such situations, for once, where the difference between a life and death is means ~1 second. You will be enjoyed . And then you will not ask such questions
phe said:
stealth isn't truly invisible just radius of seeing it is limited...initiating war create risk of retaliation and attack of other countries...similar stealth or not stealth antigravity bombers can attack invader's territory...
Mr phe, stealth, masking and decay technologies, as in the "Fail Safe" movie, is a counter-measures against a very good, organize defense, that is including a power scanning devices, satellites, and stuff..
If you think, that your mob of civilians will be able to do something against that, you are, hmm, well you spent too much time in the Disneyland .
Mr phe, to make a successful retaliation, your "antigravity" mob, must alive, and well organized, and well prepared, and they must be aware about a defense capabilities of the enemy, they must act very quick - in general, they must be the army . And technologies as a stealth, is a truly military research stuff. You will have no effective technologies of such kind, if you will have no prof. military system in your country.
Well I have predict how the enemy country will do, to avoid your "mob-retaliation".
First, they will have a good defenses, not the automatic dreams and drones nonsense as your country, But the combination of the professional army, 24/7 ready army and the cosmic/airforce/naval, and the most advanced military technologies this is including the scanning devices such as radars, and of course Artificial Intelligence stuff that will help.
They will be totally aware about your armed mob, defensive and offensive capabilities. Due to the existing of their secret-service.
Second off, they will made a sneak attack on your main cities, and other important targets, where for an example, is most of your armed mob located . Their secret-service will plant a nuclear explosive there, and detonate it in the proper time, to create initial chaos panic an nightmare. And they will do other measure to low your mob defense capabilities.
Third off - the bomber and rockets with a decays, stealth, false target and stuff will finish the job. That will kill almost ~90% percent of population of your country for a very short time. The lefts 10% will be no able to retaliate. They will have more important problems - to survive
Mr phe, to make simultaneous attack on aggressor, by a many countries, you need an allies, the geopolitics stuff, a secret-service and much more . Your armed mob, will have nothing like that. They will a poor a defenseless in the geopolitical arena.
phe said:
there is some screening against those tricks...if not they will be disabled anyway whatever army or automatons will protect a country...
I think, mr phe, that you likes to spoke about stuff, that you think you know much more better than a professional organization, such secret services the work of which is such stuff .
In short. You will need for such secret services to defend, in the other case - all your "automatic radars, drones and the other garbage will be useless" .
phe said:
risk exist because of them...
They are product of the evolution (well, the evolution that took not a very good way at all ), but if you have no alternative, for an exception of your Disneyland madness with a magic armed mob. Well, no further question then.
phe said:
machinegun is more epensive and less available...and has disadvantage...need ammo...
D: Of course, and do not forgot that such weapon in your "Disney-world" will be available, and second, do not forgot that even a single bullet from this "ammo" take off a few lives of a peoples...
phe said:
they can become but they will not...because they are honest...because being criminal is risky...because of mind-control...
And this will not happens, just because you are believe into .
phe said:
for some time we need some order forces there...it's extreme situation...we need punishment
instruments...but we don't need so many soldiers and police-officers forever...we need also good development conditions there...
And this is totally different from what you are said before. And this is cannot be implemented simultaneously with the weapon allowing stuff, that will create a chaos and a civil war like state.
phe said:
we need to check if there were some complains about them...
Yeah ... I can imagine. how effective "we" may be, in this case .
phe said:
depends on numbers, equipment, morale, luck etc...
Well, few billions of civilians on a single bomber equipped with a military nuclear explosive stuff, you may just drop their bodies from the sky, above that bomber, and try to squash it to the ground . The same trick you can make with a tank .
History have a good example of such tactics - SU in the War 2, ~30 millions of deaths... Comparing to the ~5 millions of the country the have a military presents in the many places, not only in SU.
SU military was named as a civilian forces - "Roboche-Krestiyanskaya Krasnaya Armeeya - RKK" Which is means word by word - "Workers' - Rural Farmers' Red Army", A good name for - the armed mob indeed[, you should thing about that, in your Disneyland, mr phe . I am sorry. . .
phe said:
can they survive hits from 20-100 mm shells? dispersed mob with such weapons can destroy these helis...
They cannot be hit by a a mob with that cannons
They moving to fast, too far, and too stealthy, they are caring too deadly and precisely weapon system, they also caring a full bucket of the passive/active scanners and stuff that can locate any even, a very well covered single human targets from a high altitude. To hit such targets with the above mentioned cannons, operating by your mob, you will need some incredibly luck or your common magic .
To hit such stuff you will need something like that:
Well, perhaps this toy is will be too much for such target. But who hell knows . Anyway, the rocket is usually more cheap, in resources to build, than the aircraft with a crew . Well then you may use something like that.
That will be perfect.
The above mentioned toys, have a complex of measures and counter measures to kill previous mentioned helix and guys that piloting them .
But not your mob with cannons .
phe said:
antigravity craft have high energy by its speed...even unarmed seems efective by collissions...
I just image a civilian traffic of this antigravity stuff, and when some this stuff will collide into a skyscraper Yeah ...
Mr phe, no matter what speed you have. You will be not able to hit the warhead. Without a proper, a very precision targeting system, that will have a measures against ICBM counter-measures . And do not forgot, that the human body cannot survive during a maneuvers on the high speed . In addition do not forgot that rockets usually more faster, than a manned craft, so if your atigravity stuff will be fast, enemy warheads will be faster, using the same or even advanced antigravity technologies .
phe said:
no gurantee of success in it...enemies can have this stuff too or have allies..
using of all this stuff in the large amount, it is called a war mr phe With the all of its disadvantages and chaos. .
phe said:
tired to reapeat I can order it abroad...every country has politic stuff...secret service is not required for aliances...
Wow, you are not denying the politc stuff totally This is progress, <imo> .
Well, and what you will do if your allies will betray you ? Because the enemy country secret negotiations? - As it happens many time through a history. I know what your country will do next - your country will die. To avoid that you need a secret service too.
phe said:
there is not so many decays...maybe several to one warhead...bringing them into space cost...and
I think you are overestimating the weight of of single false target, that will act on your radar as a real one , and you underestimating the capacity of the weapon system of the doomsday .
phe said:
it's nothing against defence cannons and swarm of antigravity inteeceptors...
In the magic Disneyland, perhaps, but not in the real world. And do not forgot about a swarm of tactical nuclear warhead with the antigravity stuff and well designed targeting military system, that created to kill your mob-swarm.
And then a question of a million dollars How many such tactical warheads can carry a single antigravity bomber? 20 tons, 40 tons, 100 tons? They obviously will be in much more larger number than your manned crafts
The enemy coutry will have a same cannons as you have, and even better, because if they will discover something they will hide and cover it until a time, with the help of their secret services.
phe said:
why should they? I would order only there where they don't serve to my enemy...
And how will you know about that? Mr phe, the SECRET service, not a PUBLIC service "Do not by the weapon technologies from this company, because they are already under our total control" whahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhha.
phe said:
just in serious danger...
many Soviet suitcases with A-bomb inside were lost becasue they were in hands of professionals...
Another fairy-tales without a single clue. Good strategy mr phe, , but not interesting for me.
About a Matter/Anti-matter warheads. - Take a ~ 0,050 kg of such stuff, and release it from its magnetic trap, in the any modern city, and viola
- A truly fail-safe weapons it will be in the future . I think all gods will give a bucket of wise to the military guys that will hold it.
phe said:
manual control like in classic old fashioned aircrafts...eyes as detectors...or simple radars based on electron tubes...
No further questions.
phe said:
shouldn't be so difficult...if miss try again...in not from front try from side or tale of ICBM...
Mr phe, not a missile itself falling, but a bucket of warheads and a decays... Each warhed have their own target and targeting system, and the other stuff. And this missiles will be no less fast than your antigravity things, this is obviously, Because, missiles is no need for the life-support stuff.
Mr phe, I have advised to you to watch a "Fail Safe" movie, better 1964 AD. There was some bomber fully loaded with 20 megaton bomb, and there was some bomber fully loaded with decays . The same may be with a ICBM.
That because ICBM is VERY hard to counter - this is a truly weapon of the doomsday .
phe said:
they keep theirself alive by theirselves not by othe countries...agressors aren't liked and usually have enemies...
You are truly optimistic mr phe, huuh, May be so .
phe said:
killing many people all-over the world
well indeed .
phe said:
killing and misteating many US citizens even children
Not a proven. just talks. Of course, i you have no mentioned the dead US soldiers in wars.
phe said:
mind-control
Yeah, and making the Santa-Claus too . I need a facts .
phe said:
terrorists
Bla-bla-bla without single proof.
phe said:
making enemies
The enemies does not require to be created, they can easily appear by themselves .
phe said:
sheer lies
phe said:
taxes
What an evil, indeed
phe said:
schools
What a horrific places, mr phe, why even such evil exist on the surface Earth . You must eliminate this evil schools! You must! For the kiddos, for the antigravity crafts . The all innocent souls (frostysh included of course), trust in you, mr phe!
phe said:
not implementing important new technologies
yeahh, such gun allowing for everyone, and superfast civilian antigravity craft to kill ICBM
phe said:
not so good living conditions, debts of te state can make them complain...
The world is realive mr phe, not so good living condition comparing to what? .
phe said:
they can selfdestruct...
Nah, fail-safe doctrine .
phe said:
.weapons and warheads will become obsolete...because of stupidity, corruption, bad economy and bad living conditions there will be no money for new warheads...by technological changes they will not be so powerfull if every other country will be able to defend against it...
I have doubts that a "warheads" and peoples that creating such stuff can be treated hardly by anything that you have said. Anyway, who is creating money? - The government. And a natural resources, and the potential of the society - well this is truly another case, and much more complicated. <imo>
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Ok, I've reached the breaking point here.
Frostysh: Your posting style is a persistent source of aggravation to other members, is frequently off-topic, inhibits open discussion, clutters threads with images and excessive quote wars, and in general makes my job far more difficult than it needs to be. Please read the FAQ about the rules in general and also the OSM posting guide, which can be found here. Please note that the overuse of derisive reactions to other members' posts is considered a form of provocation and insulting behavior, and may be punished.
This thread in particular has become virtually impossible for outsiders to read. It is little more than a quote match between you and Phe, and most of it is completely off the thread topic. If you want to have a line-by-line conversation with another member, please find an internet chatting service. These kinds of exclusive conversations do not belong at HC, or the OSM in particular.
I will re-open the thread, but please be aware that if you can't learn how to post in a positive way that is agreeable to other members, you will start finding yourself penalized according to the forum rules.
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Wow. The scrollbar on my phone is literally one millimeter thick from so much text on this page.
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posted January 24, 2017 02:08 PM |
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Well, short answer to this topic question from frostysh:
Yes, you should buy a gun, if you have the opportunity to do so.
But there is a simple rules, a "gun laws" somekind, <imo> .
1. The gun has been created to kill a humans.
to be more preciously, most of weapons are created to kill a humans in the most efficient way possible, it is a main purpose of existence of the most of weapons
2. The gun has no single care about who and why using it.
And of course, what a target of this gun..., like the most of weapon systems.
3. The gun provoking to use it, by itself.
Even if it laid deep in the safe storage under a feet-layer of dust, even if you are do not know about its existence near - in all this cases, the same - the weapon that has been created provoking to use it.
and 4.+ The main use of the modern firearms in the stable rich countries - just for fun.
P.S. About a modded-stuff, well indeed, when someone reads the name "Should I buy a gun", - I have doubts that this someone expect to see an antigravity civilian crafts against ICBM  . So if someone would have a desire to continue the conversation, I have created a topic in the off-topic thread. - The civilians + monarchy + antigravity crafts VS The modern government sytems
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posted January 24, 2017 03:43 PM |
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Corribus said:
This Connecticut home invasion story kind of has me freaked out. I just bought a new house, and I have a family. If someone broke into my home, I'd be pretty much screwed. I've been mulling over buying a gun for self defense. But I know nothing about guns, and I fear the cons might outweigh the pros. I wouldn't even know what kind to buy, where to store it, etc. I've mentioned it to my wife in passing but I think she thinks I'm not really serious. Anybody have any opinions on gun ownership?
It's been almost 7 years since the question, and couldn't find what you did in the middle of a sea of quotes. So, what did you do?
If I was to answer you back then, I would ponder the question: It is for defense, but do I know how to defend myself and my family with a gun? If the answer was NO, then I would not buy it.
Preferably, learning some self-defense art and working on your own nerves could be much more useful and much less dangerous, passively speaking, to your family.
On a side note, I still think that those who want to have a gun for self defense should be allowed to. In my country, it's forbidden, but nowadays bandits reign over everywhere because they know population is harmless. Not to mention the other kind of bandits wearing suits and cravats.
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