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The problem therein lies that you need to indoctrinate young men from a very early age to be dumb enough to do something like that, which is a lot of work. Japanese culture has a long & proud history of people being dicksuckers towards authority.
Well, too hard language. But particularly I agreed. Sometimes it is helpful (in terms of war), sometimes it is not...
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Of course the USSR has lots of soldiers do suicidal things too, but that's because they were sometimes as afraid of the guns behind them as they were of the ones in front of them.
Well, SU now has a powerful professional modern military stuff. But looking on their external politics, I may think that the such traditions is still persist...
Well, as russians saying "nasthupath' nha the ghe grablee", which is means, doing the same mistakes as in the past. Or perhaps I watching too much of hollywood films  .
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No, it is not. If the everyone in the high population density modern city will have and hold a gun, even a civilian gun, that will be a MADNESS, As I said before. Any simple "situation" on the
street can easily be turned into a bloody-hell Honduras' carnage with a dozens of victims..
You are talking about utopia, mr phe.
if people could defend themselves with guns without this silly law conduct, lawyers, courts, police and prisons etc..there would be no criminals and no bad governments... much less policemen would
be needed...
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In the Guinea or Somalia - perhaps you are particularly right, but in this case you also need something long-range (mortar, or at least, large-cal. mounted machinegun), and company with you, that
is helps, grenade launchers and grenades - by default, and obviously a truck, in the other cases, you will be an easy target and even the typo assault rifles may not save you. Oops, I have forgot about the most important weapon, without it, the all above mentioned stuff will be useless - the LUCK . Yeah, a bad joke.. I know.
But not in the US, or the other rich countries. In the rich countries all this stuff is useless. And pray to the all gods, mr phe, that this situation will be the same in the future. (of course, if you are in the rich and stable country )
as we see army, police, secret services, politicians and all other state officials are not able to save people from criminals, disaters, collissions, mistreating by mind control and deaths caused by other country activity...and maintanance of all these state officials, army and police costs a lot of money...
every gun matters...luck and morale either...
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mr phe.. the Human Brain is a very difficult to explore.. Obviously, to perform such action you need to know a fundamentals and total structure of the brain (as I know, it is enigma for modern science even nowadays). Even in this case, I think you may need a very powerful, a very well directed, and preciously source of EM-stuff. I have doubts that it is so easy as you are talking.
And hell I have doubts that this stuff can be successfully applied to the large masses of peoples...
In general, I have a huge skepticism about your words, mr phe.
as I already mentioned not everything what is known to modern science is known to everybody...
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Whahahhaha. I am sorry. First-off, it is a very bad idea to attack the any military vehicle with a truck and gasoline... Much more better idea, will be at least a 40 pounds of even hand-made
explosive . About a tanks - The tanks, is usually come in the package with the angry guys that holds a heavy metal guns, that can easily stop the any civilian vehicle not by "shooting at tyres" .
I am joking.
Mr phe, you have forget about a a crucial difference between archaic stuff of war, and modern.. The knifes, sticks, etc little bit different by terms of "easy to use", and so-called "effectiveness", to be more preciously - how it's lethal, in this case.
If everyone will have a gun, mr phe, rouge guys will obviously holds the guns too, and they will start shoot first, usually from the ambush (like you perhaps, saw in the hollywood movies about
Somalia), and then, they will gather the guns and the money from the agonizing in the horrific suffering bodies. . .
swarm of TNT loaded cars, trucks and vest-bearers, hand-granade-cluster-bearers can be effective against group of tanks...
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If you want to allow in the high density modern cities to hold a weapon for everyone, you also need to allow the personal body armor for everyday, Something like that.
rogue guys are small minority (worst part of "society")...only silly law regulation, bad practice of Justice, to little punishments, lack of self-defence right, keep them alive... rest of people doesn't want this parasites...if people have guns criminals die quickly...
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Damn son.. I have forgot, the bad rouges can use the small amount of explosive, a skilled marksman or a large cal. firearm to get you down. In this case we need something like that, to get through a problem district at night, with a "niggas"
all these weapons can be used against crimianls...if not killed by people will be killed by efficient state force...
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If most of peoples on the streets of the huge rich country cities, will have guns, this is obviously will kill/wound MUCH more innocent peoples than all terrorist attack through history of mankind,
for a very short time..
And in the end, this peoples will deny the weapon, by themselves, and return to the normal state... .
people don't have weapons so we have bad governments and criminals...millions of people died in earthquakes, catastrophes, car collisions, plane crashes and because of criminals...
if people had weapons we wouldn't have all of these...
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Mr phe, you can imaging much more, I have no doubts, but you see the history is full of evidiece of the mass-shooting in the schools of US, for an example, with a simple pistol, with a large amount
of dead/wound. Can you provide me with an example of the such success with the kids, that using gasoline or a truck in the school?
Again, the assault rifle is not a poor pistol...
shootings are usually done by adults...for sure there was a lot of murders without use of guns in schools...
there was Texan Chainsaw massacre...it was not school but there were no guns needed to do this massacre...
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Mr phe, are you from the Mars? Just go in the any of the poor "problem" countries, where is the MILITARY firearms laid in the almost every house (usually with the grenades, grenade launchers
included, etc) and enjoy your "how things must to be". But I have feelings, that you will change your mind after a very short time...
they are too poor to have guns...most of poor ones have machetes there...
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there was Texan Chainsaw massacre...it was not school but there were no guns needed to do this massacre...
that was only a series of movies. the closest that movie came to real life(besides the cartel videos out now), was ed gein; a serial killer that was one of the main inspirations for the movie. and mr. gein was hardly up for a massacre. he mostly dealt with corpses.
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posted January 13, 2017 09:27 AM |
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afraid of the guns behind them as they were of the ones in front of them.
Most of the time the machineguns in the back we're solely for keeping the ussr prisoner battalions in check.
that said, the commissars, or politruki, sometimes were grade A morons. One good example is rushing their men(an entire platoon sometimes) into a pillbox with two krauts and an MG, instead of flanking it.
A lot of politruki ended up dead from the bullets of their own men.
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if people could defend themselves with guns without this silly law conduct, lawyers, courts, police and prisons etc..there would be no criminals and no bad governments... much less policemen would
be needed...
Yeah.. will be brainless utopia, you are right. But more likely will be the life conditions like in the Somalia. You are mistaken , mr phe, two different time periods - "US Wild West Western times" with low density of population, and archaic firearms, and the modern high density, urbanized populations . . .
Besides, mr phe, as you may know, the modern military firearm can be used not only for a defense, but for the successful offense...
HOW can you protect himself, with mega cool assault rifle, if you are walking with it through park, and being attacked from the ambush? Do you think rouges will risk by their lives, and attack you in open with a knife? Or they being aware that you have a gun, just shoot you down first, and then gather goods? Just tell me mr phe. 
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as we see army, police, secret services, politicians and all other state officials are not able to save people from criminals, disaters, collissions, mistreating by mind control and deaths caused by other country activity...and maintanance of all these state officials, army and police costs a lot of money...
every gun matters...luck and morale either...
Disneyland it is ...
Mr phe, can you "intercept" a modern Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile that holds 50 megaton presents for your town, and in addition a hell bucket of anti-interception systems on board, can you do it with your gun? Can 20 millions civilians in the modern city, equipped with the modern firearm something do against that?
I have doubts about such cases...
But the politic-stuff, mentioned by you secret-services and the professional, well-equipped army can. The end of story.
Civilian guy with a gun, even almost useless against rouge ambush, what you, mr phe, talking about other countries and natural disasters... ? This is ridiculous.
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as I already mentioned not everything what is known to modern science is known to everybody...
Of course, not everyone will make public their exploration. But I see another tendencies, when almost everyone who have a zero knowledge in the subject, trying to posses his/her dreams as no doubts truth without the any frigging single clue....
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swarm of TNT loaded cars, trucks and vest-bearers, hand-granade-cluster-bearers can be effective against group of tanks..
*facepalm*
I will try imagine this horrific picture...  . Besides, tnt-exposive stuff, this usually a manufactured modern military explosives. And not a gasoline and trucks . In addition you are forgot about ambush. and remote-detonated explosives, anti-tank mine stuff, etc..
But the stuff like that, is a far beyond by effectiveness from the "gasoline, farm tractors with kids" . And indeed in some situations, such stuff can do a serious damage to almost the any of land units.
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rogue guys are small minority (worst part of "society")...only silly law regulation, bad practice of Justice, to little punishments, lack of self-defence right, keep them alive... rest of people doesn't want this parasites...if people have guns criminals die quickly...
This is an insanity.
How can you distinguish a "normal" guy from a criminal? Common rouge from a serial killer, or a maniac-raper? The firearms by itself provoke humans to use it, as you may know. Civilians with a guns, will start shooting by any reason, or even without it. As it happens right now in the poor problem countries. This is will be the one of the worst of your nightmares, mr phe. And criminals will quickly adapt to such situation, because for criminal its a whole life, and for the office worker, it is not.
I can say even more, the criminals in such situation will easily defeat your "larger" part of society, as it happened in the many regions of Africa.
And in this case, your "larger part of society" will need for a protection by a professional regular army, and the police departments, which will deny weapons for a civilians by a single moment, for the obvious reasons . . ., and your utopia will drastically ends, left beside an ocean of the blood. This is my prediction.
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all these weapons can be used against crimianls...if not killed by people will be killed by efficient state force..
Nonsense.
phe said:
people don't have weapons so we have bad governments and criminals...millions of people died in earthquakes, catastrophes, car collisions, plane crashes and because of criminals...
if people had weapons we wouldn't have all of these...
Insane dreams it is.
Firearms will not protect you from the any of such stuff, they are useless in this cases. But a spreading of the military firearms through of the civilian peoples will lead to the drastically results, with horrific amount of victims, this is like a law of nature of human society, but not your utopia, mr phe.
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shootings are usually done by adults...for sure there was a lot of murders without use of guns in schools...
there was Texan Chainsaw massacre...it was not school but there were no guns needed to do this massacre...
Nonsense.
In the countries where, most of civilians have a military weapons, shooting usually has been done by kids, and they are the first victims of that. This is because the mind of kids is growth and more unstable than an adults, this is nature, but the adults that growing in conditions have very unstable minds too . A bad joke..
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they are too poor to have guns...most of poor ones have machetes there...
Whahahha,
This is because in that place is no serious military conflicts (as it usually happens in the poor-problem regions), mr phe, military conflicts usually lefts unreal amount of weapons for infantry, of the any kinds, that is truly enough to arm even a poorest guys with the AK-rifles.... 1 AK rifle with the ammo on 2-5 poor even homeless kids, it is a normal . Yeah,, a bad humor..
P.S. Mr phe, if you think that in your country the police departments, the army, the secret-services, at all is ineffective - Just try to help to reform it! But not to create a radical ucreateable in the real world utopia.
i.e. if you think that in police and politic stuff working a corruptive guys that harming the citizens of your country, and you have no doubts clues about that (not only your imagination and emotions) - just kill them, and deploy a normal guys Yeah it is more hard to do, than type, but still - I am joking, do not listen stupid frostysh  .
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Yeah.. will be brainless utopia, you are right. But more likely will be the life conditions like in the Somalia. You are mistaken , mr phe, two different time periods - "US Wild West Western times" with low density of population, and archaic firearms, and the modern high density, urbanized populations . . .
Besides, mr phe, as you may know, the modern military firearm can be used not only for a defense, but for the successful offense...
HOW can you protect himself, with mega cool assault rifle, if you are walking with it through park, and being attacked from the ambush? Do you think rouges will risk by their lives, and attack you in open with a knife? Or they being aware that you have a gun, just shoot you down first, and then gather goods? Just tell me mr phe.
my automatic gun can be activated in fraction of second...propability of my self-defence with automatic gun is higher than without it...my secutity drones can take them out easily...when I press button on my security panel in my pocket addctional public drones circling above town will be on place in couple of seconds...if everybody has a gun they would have died before in similar cases...
people who are likely to be ambushed usually avoid public places...nowadays police and army don't grand them security too...
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Mr phe, can you "intercept" a modern Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile that holds 50 megaton presents for your town, and in addition a hell bucket of anti-interception systems on board, can you do it with your gun? Can 20 millions civilians in the modern city, equipped with the modern firearm something do against that?
I have doubts about such cases...
But the politic-stuff, mentioned by you secret-services and the professional, well-equipped army can. The end of story.
Civilian guy with a gun, even almost useless against rouge ambush, what you, mr phe, talking about other countries and natural disasters... ? This is ridiculous.
with several turbo-laser defence cannons or antigravity crafts intercepting it wouldn't be problematic...
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Of course, not everyone will make public their exploration. But I see another tendencies, when almost everyone who have a zero knowledge in the subject, trying to posses his/her dreams as no doubts truth without the any frigging single clue....
many people died in atomic explosions without knowing it even exist...maybe they had seen nuclear blast or mushroom just before guessing that it must have been some kind of bomb...
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I will try imagine this horrific picture... . Besides, tnt-exposive stuff, this usually a manufactured modern military explosives. And not a gasoline and trucks . In addition you are forgot about ambush. and remote-detonated explosives, anti-tank mine stuff, etc..
But the stuff like that, is a far beyond by effectiveness from the "gasoline, farm tractors with kids" . And indeed in some situations, such stuff can do a serious damage to almost the any of land units.
yeah I forgot about booby traps hidden in ground(remotly detonated)...big holes-traps for tanks could be effective nowadays...doesn't need exposives...
a lot of explosives including TNT is easy to made...they don't have to be so modern and expensive...
in woods and build-up areas use of tractors, cars and trucks would be more effective...
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This is an insanity.
How can you distinguish a "normal" guy from a criminal? Common rouge from a serial killer, or a maniac-raper? The firearms by itself provoke humans to use it, as you may know. Civilians with a
guns, will start shooting by any reason, or even without it. As it happens right now in the poor problem countries. This is will be the one of the worst of your nightmares, mr phe. And criminals
will quickly adapt to such situation, because for criminal its a whole life, and for the office worker, it is not.
I can say even more, the criminals in such situation will easily defeat your "larger" part of society, as it happened in the many regions of Africa.
And in this case, your "larger part of society" will need for a protection by a professional regular army, and the police departments, which will deny weapons for a civilians by a single moment, for the obvious reasons . . ., and your utopia will drastically ends, left beside an ocean of the blood. This is my prediction.
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Firearms will not protect you from the any of such stuff, they are useless in this cases. But a spreading of the military firearms through of the civilian peoples will lead to the drastically
results, with horrific amount of victims, this is like a law of nature of human society, but not your utopia, mr phe.
the countries where, most of civilians have a military weapons, shooting usually has been done by kids, and they are the first victims of that. This is because the mind of kids is growth and more unstable than an adults, this is nature, but the adults that growing in conditions have very unstable minds too . A bad joke..
usually these assulting ones are criminals...if we identify criminals they would be taken by drones or by special uniform people...
people can use machetes or knives instead of guns...no big diffrence...guns are more fair...you can easily withstand much larger enemy without years of training in body-building or martial arts...
we pay a lot for army and police we don't have protection...they are corrupted and inefficient...often with some relation with criminals...no good control over them...
ocean of blood of criminals...
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Whahahha,
This is because in that place is no serious military conflicts (as it usually happens in the poor-problem regions), mr phe, military conflicts usually lefts unreal amount of weapons for infantry,
of the any kinds, that is truly enough to arm even a poorest guys with the AK-rifles.... 1 AK rifle with the ammo on 2-5 poor even homeless kids, it is a normal . Yeah,, a bad humor..
P.S. Mr phe, if you think that in your country the police departments, the army, the secret-services, at all is ineffective - Just try to help to reform it! But not to create a radical uncreateable in the real world utopia.
i.e. if you think that in police and politic stuff working a corruptive guys that harming the citizens of your country, and you have no doubts clues about that (not only your imagination and
emotions) - just kill them, and deploy a normal guys Yeah it is more hard to do, than type, but still - I am joking, do not listen stupid frostysh .
for sure not a single kid was a victim of violence without use of gun anywhere...
reforming it is like reforming communist party...we know it all works very bad...it's better to fire them and hand criminals within them and start much smaller state security services anew, just to be sure not having old pathologies... they are trade union and they create dangers to keep people in fear and to justify their existence....
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posted January 13, 2017 03:07 PM |
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frostysh said:
The firearms by itself provoke humans to use it, as you may know.
i've had guns since i turned 21. i'm nearly 38, and they've never provoked me to use them in a negative manner. the only thing i've killed with them, were one deer. and that was for food. and that goes for everyone in my entire family. the only killing they do with their firearms, are for hunting.
you're just a troll, plain and simple. kip had you pegged since you started posting, and still people are falling for your snow. because the mods think you are actually spouting your opinion, they don't snow with you. if i were a mod, you'd be silenced repeatedly until you contributed something other than asshat provocations. you flat-out argue with everyone, and when you're not arguing(claiming people's responses are nonsense or insane REPEATEDLY), you claim you don't understand them. which shows your intent. because you cannot argue with someone if you do not understand them.
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posted January 13, 2017 04:42 PM |
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fred79 said:
frostysh said:
The firearms by itself provoke humans to use it, as you may know.
i've had guns since i turned 21. i'm nearly 38, and they've never provoked me to use them in a negative manner. the only thing i've killed with them, were one deer. and that was for food. and that goes for everyone in my entire family. the only killing they do with their firearms, are for hunting.
you're just a troll, plain and simple. kip had you pegged since you started posting, and still people are falling for your snow. because the mods think you are actually spouting your opinion, they don't snow with you. if i were a mod, you'd be silenced repeatedly until you contributed something other than asshat provocations. you flat-out argue with everyone, and when you're not arguing(claiming people's responses are nonsense or insane REPEATEDLY), you claim you don't understand them. which shows your intent. because you cannot argue with someone if you do not understand them.
Indeed. He knows little to nothing. and when cornered with arguments he brushes it off as nonsense.
Keep in mind, this is the same guy that believes that nose shape of a villain in a video game can cause a violent wave of antisemitism and create the 4th reich.
As well as the fact that comedy films of Leonid Gaiday represent trully what life was like in the USSR.
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posted January 13, 2017 05:00 PM |
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i haven't read a lot of his posts. i try not to. but sometimes our paths cross, and i'm sitting here reading straight tripe, meant only to provoke. i highly doubt he believes the bullsnow he posts, at all.
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posted January 13, 2017 10:02 PM |
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my automatic gun can be activated in fraction of second...propability of my self-defence with automatic gun is higher than without it...my secutity drones can take them out easily...when I press button on my security panel in my pocket addctional public drones circling above town will be on place in couple of seconds...if everybody has a gun they would have died before in similar cases...
people who are likely to be ambushed usually avoid public places...nowadays police and army don't grand them security too...
Nah.
If everyone civilian will have a gun, a military firearms for an example, the rouges will do like they do in the poor and unstable regions of Africa. They will shoot in the back, mr phe, and the end of story. If you will be in company with other guys, they will start shooting, and throwing grenades in your side, and then they scream "Give up or die!", well if someone will be still in conscious... Like a soldiers at war.
To survive in this utopia, civilians in your country have a two variants, made an professional army, and restrict weapon use in the region that they control. Or become a criminal gangs.
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with several turbo-laser defence cannons or antigravity crafts intercepting it wouldn't be problematic...
to made this "turbo-lasers" mr phe, you need a professional army, military sci-research centers, a powerful economics, mentioned by yourself secret-service, and well controlled stable situation in the country, which is required a good police departments and stuff.
And pray to the all gods, that opposing country will not predict or/and discover your defense system, and made a successful counter-measure on their rockets... .
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many people died in atomic explosions without knowing it even exist...maybe they had seen nuclear blast or mushroom just before guessing that it must have been some kind of bomb...
God bless their poor souls (I am actually something near to the atheist.) But thus peoples did not talked a fairy tales about the nuclear weapons and promoting its like a no doubts truth, too
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a lot of explosives including TNT is easy to made...they don't have to be so modern and expensive...
No, it is not.
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in woods and build-up areas use of tractors, cars and trucks would be more effective...
Will be more effective in what? In the suicidal attack with bombs on board, well maybe. But very soon, any army will adopt to that tactics, and made effective counter measures.
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usually these assulting ones are criminals...if we identify criminals they would be taken by drones or by special uniform people...
people can use machetes or knives instead of guns...no big diffrence...guns are more fair...you can easily withstand much larger enemy without years of training in body-building or martial arts...
ocean of blood of criminals...
Nah. It is nonsense.
The criminals is usually very hard to be distinguished from the normal peoples, of course in the regions where no efficient law ordering system exist (such as Somalia), criminals does not hide themselves, they are very well organized, like an army. And they have almost all standard military equipment, because they usually fight between themselves, somekind "Only strong gangs will survive".
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for sure not a single kid was a victim of violence without use of gun anywhere...
reforming it is like reforming communist party...we know it all works very bad...it's better to fire them and hand criminals within them and start much smaller state security services anew, just to be sure not having old pathologies... they are trade union and they create dangers to keep people in fear and to justify their existence....
There is different kinds of reforms, with a different amount of victims and effectiveness, but I see not other way, of course, if you do not want to bring a hell-chaos and nightmare in the country.
A crucial difference between, "two kids have a fist fight, and their parent has been called into a school by a police officer", and "two children have a fistfight on some junkyard in the Africa, and then one of them, took his AK-rifle, and killed a whole family of his/her enemy", a very crucial difference mr phe.
Mr phe, your recipe leads to an utopia, which is unreachable in the real world. Will be only chaos, civil war, and ocean of blood. Like it usually happens in such cases through a history.
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i've had guns since i turned 21. i'm nearly 38, and they've never provoked me to use them in a negative manner. the only thing i've killed with them, were one deer. and that was for food. and that goes for everyone in my entire family. the only killing they do with their firearms, are for hunting.
Mr fred79, as you may see, the main point is discussion not about a hunters, and their weapon use. But about a "warfare the armed with a military firearms civilians against the criminals, in the modern high density population, urbanized countries".
And I will repeat myself, the weapons is provoking to use it, this is a fact, a law of the nature, if you want.
Of course if the weapons is laying under layer of dust in some storage, this is little bit easier case, as I said before, the almost only one purpose of the weapons for a civilians in the rich countries, is the fun, but when the weapons holding by a many civilians on the street, this is a truly another...
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Keep in mind, this is the same guy that believes that nose shape of a villain in a video game can cause a violent wave of antisemitism and create the 4th reich.
This is a lie.
I said that I have spotted a propaganda content in the PC-game, which was typical well-directed mythology. But I have said nothing like that - about a 4th reichs or such stuff.
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As well as the fact that comedy films of Leonid Gaiday represent trully what life was like in the USSR.
This is a lie too.
I have said that this particular film is a typo propaganda of SU. mr kipshasz said that it is a satire to a life stuff in SU, but of course that was a nonsense, I have easily proved it, even without a deep analysis that I cannot make.
Mr kipshasz, I have said to you a many times, do not disturb me with your "ideas". AS I can see, you are talking a lie not to me, or a users of this forum, but to yourself. This is a typo stuff of the mass-control ideologies, lie-lie-lie-lie over a lie and for the lie.
As I can see, the followers of such ideologies straight on this path...
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How much a guy can antagonize others is beyond me.
Anyway, what do you think of this? Sounds like something the terrorists would grab their hands onto, for one may conceal it quite well and start rampaging all out.
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posted January 13, 2017 10:23 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
Anyway, what do you think of this? Sounds like something the terrorists would grab their hands onto, for one may conceal it quite well and start rampaging all out.
lol, how are you going to rampage with a 2-shot derringer? shoot a gas tank and hope for explosion? real life isn't the movies. blowing up gas tanks with gunfire has already been disproven on mythbusters. 
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posted January 13, 2017 10:55 PM |
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fred79 said:
EnergyZ said:
Anyway, what do you think of this? Sounds like something the terrorists would grab their hands onto, for one may conceal it quite well and start rampaging all out.
lol, how are you going to rampage with a 2-shot derringer? shoot a gas tank and hope for explosion? real life isn't the movies. blowing up gas tanks with gunfire has already been disproven on mythbusters.
Keep in mind Fredmuffin that the western europe with it's tolerance for rapefugees got burnt grievously several times, and are basically "sitting on needles". That must be the cause of such paranoia.
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posted January 14, 2017 01:55 AM |
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maybe those terrorists are really fast reloaders? like, benny-hill-chase-scene fast?
i can imagine the benny-hill-chase-scene music during an attack, now.
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posted January 14, 2017 10:07 AM |
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Edited by phe at 11:26, 14 Jan 2017.
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Regarding to ambush in park...
I'm able to look around, grab and prepare gun when I see danger. All other people in the park are able to do the same. My bodyguards and drones usually look in every direction. All we are able to shhot and throw granades into rogues...but this is just criminal fantasy...Because all criminals died long time ago in first day when my drones were activated and got lists of criminals...rest of them died in internal gangs fights or killed by ordinary armed people when rogus tried to rob them...
We can easily recognize criminal in the moment they commit crime trying to rob, abuse or kill ordinary people...it's much easier since we have all these video recording stuff...
To get turbo-lasers I need just to order them in company which produce lasers. It could be any of these electronic or industrial stuff producers...
Sometimes there is no more counter measures and weapons or tactics is obsolete...
We don't have so many of these shootings concerning children fights. They could be the same with machetes and fuel...
Not everybody in Somalia has a gun as he should....they lack good and honest government to support good ones....so they should get help from abroad in it and get knowledge what to do to solve their problems...
Now we have criminal armies all over the world which support criminals and doing their shady businesses instead of protecting people...
There is always risk of clashes during political changes...sometimes they are significant sometimes not...sometimes last long sometimes short...all these compromitated politicians, state officials, army, police, secret serviced will not survive long if we indicate their crimes, corruption and negligence...
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posted January 16, 2017 01:02 PM |
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phe said:
I'm able to look around, grab and prepare gun when I see danger. All other people in the park are able to do the same. My bodyguards and drones usually look in every direction. All we are able to shhot and throw granades into rogues...but this is just criminal fantasy...Because all criminals died long time ago in first day when my drones were activated and got lists of criminals...rest of them died in internal gangs fights or killed by ordinary armed people when rogus tried to rob them...
Nah.
The aim of a casual robbery: to steal the goods, to use the victim for sex slavery (usually if it is a female kid, female, etc), to use the victim as a slave on some work, for recruiting a new member to the gang purposes, sell victim's bodies on the transplantation stuff in the rich countries, and so on...
but NOT to kill. In the most cases, for the rouges the dead bodies of their victims will bring a much less profit.
The attack: usually rouges planned their attacks before, or at least making a spontaneous attacks on the territory that under their control.
So the most probably situation when the civilian is armed like a soldier - a few rouges kill / horrifically cripple this civilian from the ambush, to avoid being cripple or killed, because for now they have no advantage such as they had against unarmed civilian, so they will not risk by their lives, this is obviously, and then they will steal his/hear weapons and goods. The end of story.
phe said:
We can easily recognize criminal in the moment they commit crime trying to rob, abuse or kill ordinary people...it's much easier since we have all these video recording stuff...
Mr phe, in your utopia will be no more good video-recording systems on the street, due to the chaos disorder and continuous small military conflicts.... You are mistaken .
phe said:
To get turbo-lasers I need just to order them in company which produce lasers. It could be any of these electronic or industrial stuff producers...
Nah.
The opponent country will send their agendas, and if will be required, a regular army or something like that, to this company, to steal all of their technologies and to destroy the all of your utopia hopes. . Whahahhaaaaaaaaaa. I am sorry.
phe said:
Sometimes there is no more counter measures and weapons or tactics is obsolete...
Whahah.
Sometimes utopias cannot survive through the history of the real world, or to be effective . And if the measures is exist, you can always try to find a counter-measures, for an example, the lasers have poor effectiveness in the bad weather, or dusty medium, in the addition to that, nuclear-explosive deriving stuff, such bombers or rockets have a decays, from the beginning of the times.
I can recommend to you a very good (the hollywood with the all of it's disadvantages ) movie about that - "Fail Safe" (1964 A.D.), and "Fail Safe" (2000AD)
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We don't have so many of these shootings concerning children fights. They could be the same with machetes and fuel...
Nope.
If the kid came to kill the family of his/her child-enemy with the only machete and gasoline, I have doubts about success of that. AK rifle will be much more effective in this case.
But if this kid were so lucky, and he/she have something like that:
In this case, you need just stand, not far from and not to close from a house, in which gathered the family of your enemy (usually in the problem regions, the houses of peoples that living there, is not so huge), the perfect time will be night, when the family will sleep, aim into door or a window, push the trigger, and then finish them with you AK rifle, or a machete, or a gasoline, or you can use mentioned by you, mr phe, farm tractor . I think if this kid will be lucky, in the all of this cases, he/she will face no serious retaliation Whahhaha...
phe said:
Not everybody in Somalia has a gun as he should....they lack good and honest government to support good ones....so they should get help from abroad in it and get knowledge what to do to solve their problems...
Now we have criminal armies all over the world which support criminals and doing their shady businesses instead of protecting people...
Nah.
In the most of regions, such Somali of Africa, there is no police, no law (well some laws of deployed by gangs, and criminal-like organization of exist). Usually conflict has been resolved with help of grenades and bullets. So yeah, almost anyone there have a gun in his/her house, usually the assault rifle, to be more preciously - AK.
phe said:
There is always risk of clashes during political changes...sometimes they are significant sometimes not...sometimes last long sometimes short...all these compromitated politicians, state officials, army, police, secret serviced will not survive long if we indicate their crimes, corruption and negligence...
A nonsense,
You are coming out from your utopia with a full-armed "civilian-infantry against the crimes", mr phe, and now you are starting to talk in terms of effectiveness of the some particular law-ordering system, or the army, or the secret-services, Which a truly different case.
But in this case, all is much more difficult to understand, the low effectiveness of the army that must protect, the citizens of your country, the secret-service and politicians , that must do the similar stuff, can be caused by a lot of factors, this is including a prehistory, a geopolitics situation, etc.
But of course, I have doubts that the solution you must search in the "full-armed" utopia...
Well, I think will be good to post a links to images, that demonstrates what a modern firearms and explosives can do with a high density populated area, for a very short time.
Well I think it is a Syria, long time ago, for now there is much more worst, I guess
A nice Disneyland, with the allgoods for kids .
This is mr phe, what happens if the kids have a guns, but not a machetes and farm tractors .
If you think that your civilians will do not face same fate, I can assure you peoples usually supporting a military conflict leading by a most ridiculous and insane ideas .
Well, if they have not desire to do so, someone from the outside, that have a single care about this idiotic ideas, and about a peoples that plagued by that, can easily help to this peoples to start and continue a war , as it happened many times through a history of human civilization .
P.S. I am sorry, that I am laughting from your, hmm, from your model of the society, mr phe, but it is hard for myself to hold on an emotions (I am a very sensitive guy).  lol...
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posted January 16, 2017 02:17 PM |
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Fed up with your smelling diapers
Frostych.
You do know, I guess, how much you are utterly annoying to everyone in this forum. Believe me when I say I'm not against trolling, far from that, but you'll still want to admit that there are different ways to do it, some trolling being outright golden and preserved by the moderators themselves, and some kind of trash-trolling usually ending up sentenced. Troll intelligently or don't at all.
Your posting style, in addition to being retina-raping since you write awfully long posts totally unreadable for a synesthetic like me, where all colors are just mixing and waving leaving me unable to distinguish meanings and emotions, contains intox, false information, bad grammar, incomprehensible sentences, and are as I and other members see it aimed at getting on people's nerves getting them making fools of themselves in a pathetic and counterproductive manner.
I take some of my precious time -as all members' is- to point that out in a hope that no other will ever have to lose anymore in responding to your posts which are, from my point of view, unworthy of any answer. I know what I say is harsh but it's the merit to be true.
Trash-trolling about guns, love, your Tor project or I don't know is something, putting pics of my Syrian brothers alongside with this smiley (), many laughs, many low-grade sarcasm is another thing : an insult. All you're achieving is showing the extent of the syphilis that's eating you brain after it finished your nerve system, making you appear like a true psychopath, posting unneeded, unnecessary, unwanted, cheap@$$ breeze blocks walls.
I hereby ask you to reconsider all the things you're posting, especially out of the wastelands, cause the way you're acting goes against the very original spirit of this forum creation and existence. I'm certain when Valeriy created it, that it was to gather people from all origins, ethnies, countries, religions, political beliefs, sexual orientations or preferences, languages, cultures and anthropological characteristics, to promote debate, exchange of ideas, tightening ties between strangers, giving birth to friendships, allowing freely speaking and giving everyone's opinion in a respectable way in a friendly platform, reunited by the love of a great game that none of us really forgot even after stopping playing it for years. Basically sharing humans values that are the same were you born in the thriving West, in the tormented Arabia, in the dancing Pampa or like Forfy from the depths of Asia.
If you deem yourself unable of reviewing the way you are posting and basically acting and exchanging with people, try at least to stick in the wastelands, avoiding putting pics of troubled people and their children in distress, then commenting with your wrongly used smileys, laughs and black poo humour that I sincerely can't stand still to.
Al Hud-Hud Al Hazin.
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fred79
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posted January 16, 2017 02:18 PM |
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somebody should teach those kids how to hold rifles. you never hold the magazine, because you wear the mag well or the mags loose when firing. and a loose mag will end up jamming a round. easy way of getting killed in a firefight.
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posted January 16, 2017 02:45 PM |
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Edited by phe at 15:00, 16 Jan 2017.
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No one will leave kids and females unattended if danger exists...no one will go alone if danger exist...by ambush it is easy to recognize by others so cruminals would need to cripple all people in the area and all others who would come for assist when shooting starts...how many of these criminals can survive?
Sport cameras, driveway recorders are very popular all over the world...also common cellular phones with cameras...they are even easier to get than guns...not even really needed...jusr help...
This bully-rogue country doesnt need to know about my order...some countries produced atomic bombs without permission of others...
A country in which if not my own dont have to talk with agendas...this coutry could deter other armies from interference or attack...and all other countries in the world which dislike the bully-rogue country can reveal its crimes and dirty secrets then...
Laser cannons can be installed on aircrafts or antigravity cratfts which fly above clouds...antigravity crafts as ICBM intercepting crafts would be even cheaper, easier and more effective, wheater invulnerable...
Setting fire at house with gasoline at night is not difficult...slying survivors with flame-thrower and machetes is propably not so complicated too...gives similar results to AK shootings...
Army, police, secret services, politicians dont solve problems but create them if they are less needed or some businessrs can be done on it...
Utopias cannot survove, bully-rogue countries often collapse to as evil and bsd functioning inside and outside...but I dont talk about utopias but down-to-earth and up-to-space countries of strong economy,good living conditions with eradicted criminality by guns pf people and by efficient goverment...
I doubt that most people of Somalia have guns...
Look at pictures of tsunami results (Sumatra 2004 and Japan), earthquakes on Haiti 2010 and Italy 2016...or on your sent pictures ro see what armies, services, politicians and lobbies of main powers mainly USA led to...
In many countries people carry guns and there is not a lot shootings...if people didnt carry guns there there would be flood of criminality .. Now we have idiogic ideas, and all these conficts and disastets... Thing that it can work good is utopia...
I'm laughing at you...tolerating all of these...
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posted January 16, 2017 03:33 PM |
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Edited by frostysh at 15:45, 16 Jan 2017.
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To mr AlHazin,
AlHazin said:
You do know, I guess, how much you are utterly annoying to everyone in this forum. Believe me when I say I'm not against trolling, far from that, but you'll still want to admit that there are different ways to do it, some trolling being outright golden and preserved by the moderators themselves, and some kind of trash-trolling usually ending up sentenced. Troll intelligently or don't at all.
Your posting style, in addition to being retina-raping since you write awfully long posts totally unreadable for a synesthetic like me, where all colors are just mixing and waving leaving me unable to distinguish meanings and emotions, contains intox, false information, bad grammar, incomprehensible sentences, and are as I and other members see it aimed at getting on people's nerves getting them making fools of themselves in a pathetic and counterproductive manner.
1) So, are you concluded, that I am annoying to the everyone on this forum? Well, I guess you have a telepathy abilities, or something like that, to predict opinion of the every human being that reading this forum... ? Or you, mr AlHazin, just make your own opinion, maybe this is also the opinion of some well-oriented ideologically users of this forum, that you may know, played its role, and then you just extrapolated this opinion to the whole auditory? Is it possible? . The end of story.
2) Well, I guess my grammar is not so bad, at least I can easily read that has been written by myself. I will improve it in the future, but I am sorry for now.
3) A false information? And you are sure about that? Can you prove that fact that I am using in my post, or the thoughts is false? Oh you cannot? No further questions...
Well, I was a witness of a very truth and facts, that some users of this forum trying to explain me... there is Some examples:
--- A very nice, and nature future of mankind, that with no doubts will happens - all pure nations will be separated by their own historical areas, there is will be a nationalism-paradise.
- A very true, information, indeed .
--- We are in the degradation state! As showed to us, a frigging dantinst in the beginning of the 20th century AD, so called modern civilization degradating! Especially in the huge cities, look a this cool rural are guys of the past, of this healthy tribes, etc... The fluoridation of water! Life in the feral nature rules and bla-bla-bla.
- A very good example of the true information too, as remembered.
--- There is no genocide of Armenian peopels in the Ottoman Empire on the beginning of the 20th century AD, there is "hard measures, deportation". Oh stop... there is a genocide, but it was not systematic a well-planned. bla-bla-bla.
- Well, comparing to the previous two, this guy at least provider some interesting information to read for myself.
--- And now. Lets arm the frigging civilians, the everyone! Then will come a happy life without a criminals, that will be killed with no mercy with this civilians. We no need the army, the politicans, the secret-services, only the armed civilians.
- This is very good true information,
I just wonder, why you did lost, and have no comments, about that mr AlHazin. But you said that my information, that denying the all above mentioned "things> is false.
AlHazin said:
I take some of my precious time -as all members' is- to point that out in a hope that no other will ever have to lose anymore in responding to your posts which are, from my point of view, unworthy of any answer. I know what I say is harsh but it's the merit to be true.
1) Thank you, for your precious time.
2) Users of this forum, is free to decide, comment my posts, or not, this is their own decision. The end of story.
AlHazin said:
Trash-trolling about guns, love, your Tor project or I don't know is something, putting pics of my Syrian brothers alongside with this smiley (), many laughs, many low-grade sarcasm is another thing : an insult. All you're achieving is showing the extent of the syphilis that's eating you brain after it finished your nerve system, making you appear like a true psychopath, posting unneeded, unnecessary, unwanted, cheap@$$ breeze blocks walls.
1) I have appologiesing, if my posts made an insult to you, mr AlHazin, directly, or to your "Syrian brothers". And I have a very sorrow feelings about problem regions, and peoples that has a bad luck to live there... About the situation in the Syria, I think the peoples there deserve for much better life, without of all of this hell, wars, etc, unfortunately, I guess, this easier to say, but not to made...
Well, this is all my bad dark humor, but you can think about that from the another point of view - if someone from the rich country, will spot this pictures, of the everyday life in Syria, or in the other problem regions, and then compare it to their everyday life, which a quite different... Perhaps they will think about this, ant least for a moment.
In this case, may happens that less amount of peoples in the Earth will have no care about problems of Syria, and so on. So, from this point I have even helped to your "Syrian brothers". what do you think about that? Or you are prefer the, hmm, a very common and popular natio-ideas that sounds like this "they are not from our pure tribe/nation, not like us, so ... about them!", or commy' method, which is quite similar
AlHazin said:
I hereby ask you to reconsider all the things you're posting, especially out of the wastelands, cause the way you're acting goes against the very original spirit of this forum creation and existence. I'm certain when Valeriy created it, that it was to gather people from all origins, ethnies, countries, religions, political beliefs, sexual orientations or preferences, languages, cultures and anthropological characteristics, to promote debate, exchange of ideas, tightening ties between strangers, giving birth to friendships, allowing freely speaking and giving everyone's opinion in a respectable way in a friendly platform, reunited by the love of a great game that none of us really forgot even after stopping playing it for years. Basically sharing humans values that are the same were you born in the thriving West, in the tormented Arabia, in the dancing Pampa or like Forfy from the depths of Asia.
1) Yeah, I remembering, the birth of friendship, on this friendly platform in the topic about some ter. attack, where guys promoting that wee need to dismiss this impotent european politics, and make a holy total war against the all of this muslims, which is have a plan - through a ter. attacks conquer the world.
But, I still can't remember your comments, mr AlHAzin, about a friendship and stuff in that topic... a weird it is. .
2) Mr AlHazin, for myself indeed does no matter, where peoples born, or who was their ancestors, I just, do not care. And I can share my observation, a life experiance, somekind.
"The all of peoples is the same. The only their choice is making them different. - frostysh, 2017 A.D."
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fred79 said:
somebody should teach those kids how to hold rifles. you never hold the magazine, because you wear the mag well or the mags loose when firing. and a loose mag will end up jamming a round. easy way of getting killed in a firefight.
Well ... , yeah... .
I have a wonderful idea, mr fred79. You need to go in the Syria, and teach this n00bs how to proper hold the AK-rifles. I have no doubts your precious experience will be a very useful there...
I am joking, do not accept its to serious, like the previous user.
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