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Danny
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posted September 29, 2010 11:23 AM |
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Btw the poll may be incomplete.
Because Stronghold is missing? 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 29, 2010 11:37 AM |
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Or dwarves. I'm not implying either will be in but both are important races in Ashan. Also the fact that a duke's son/daughter will lead a faction does not necessarily mean they have to be native to it.
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Dexter
Known Hero
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posted September 29, 2010 12:33 PM |
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First off, not sure why Dark Elves and Dungeon are separate since in Ashan they're one and the same faction. Especially since we lack the ones we've already seen, just like Elvin mentioned, Fortress and Stronghold.
And repeating myself again, if I were to place my bets on any faction, I'd say Stronghold. Perfectly fits the timeline, would certainly deserve some spotlight, and it would give the developers great possibilities for completely new creatures.
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted September 29, 2010 01:47 PM |
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Agreed, Stronghold might be the faction where it's the easiest to create new units and make the faction different enough from the rest.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted September 29, 2010 07:42 PM |
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It could be Academy because relations between the 2 factions are good, also both human and good alignments.
It could be elves because in general they get along, and in general in fantasy games they tend to be allies.
It could be dwarves - same reasons. e.g. Duncan from the Falcon Duchy is a good friend and ally to Wulfstan of the Winterwind clan.
It could be orcs - nah, I don't think so, if a human would try to help the orcs cause it would have been mentioned in their history and tales of heroes of old like in the chronicles of Ashan piece about them.
It could be dark elves - I just don't think so. In my opinion of the 5 remaining factions from heroes 5 this one has the smallest chance of being the 4th faction.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 29, 2010 07:50 PM |
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From what I would guess, Stronghold seems less likely than Academy and Sylvan because it was not even an original faction in Heroes 5, and it seemed in the lore, Orcs were hardly gathered as a faction at that time. Thus, having them as a faction 400 years prior to H5 doesn't seem like the obvious choice - but then, they have been making some bends to history already.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 29, 2010 08:05 PM |
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Timeline says the orc crusades ended sixty years before the beginning of H6. That plenty of time for the orcs to settle down and organize their society.
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alcibiades
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 29, 2010 08:25 PM |
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Oh ok, my mistake then.
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Jackson
Known Hero
Random Spirit Lover
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posted September 30, 2010 01:27 AM |
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I believe they did say each faction has a unique terrain assigned to it, so no sharing, and Academy in the wasteland would be too weird. The wasteland is not desert-like, it was seen in those pdfs and the town screen replacement image.
Really? I tried to double-check before posting that, but all I found was the list of terrains and nothing else. And I did not and still have not seen the wasteland, so my bad there.
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First off, not sure why Dark Elves and Dungeon are separate since in Ashan they're one and the same faction. Especially since we lack the ones we've already seen, just like Elvin mentioned, Fortress and Stronghold.
And repeating myself again, if I were to place my bets on any faction, I'd say Stronghold. Perfectly fits the timeline, would certainly deserve some spotlight, and it would give the developers great possibilities for completely new creatures.
I'm sorry. I didn't remember that in H5 the dark elves and the dungeon are the same, because in all honesty, even though I've looked up the factions in the past I've never actually played H5. In my mind when I think of the dungeon I think of H3's dungeon where there are absolutely no dark elves.
The reason I didn't include the stronghold or the fortress was because in the other threads they were barely mentioned. Everyone was arguing for either the Academy or Sylvan really. I'm sorry for that as well, I wish I could add them to the poll now. : (
I, personally, don't believe Stronghold will be it, or Fortress. Sylvan and Academy seem to be stronger fan-favorites and to have neither would be shocking. The other thread where nearly everyone is arguing for Sylvan and Academy is my proof. Most people seem to have trouble imagining a Heroes game without Elves, Titans, or Black Dragons. (I do realize they could add one or two of these in an expansion later on, but still.)
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chimthegrim
Adventuring Hero
That guy ...
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posted September 30, 2010 07:38 AM |
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I, personally, don't believe Stronghold will be it, or Fortress. Sylvan and Academy seem to be stronger fan-favorites and to have neither would be shocking. The other thread where nearly everyone is arguing for Sylvan and Academy is my proof. Most people seem to have trouble imagining a Heroes game without Elves, Titans, or Black Dragons. (I do realize they could add one or two of these in an expansion later on, but still.)
I'm pretty surprised they are only putting 5 factions into the game. I thought for sure at least 7 was standard. I mean, if Naval can do it, then can't Blackhole?
Stronghold is the basic might castle that I really love. Also, castles like academy and sylvan (rampart) almost have to be in the game. So it seems to me the list will be like this:
-Haven
-Sylvan
-Inferno
-Necropolis
-Academy
--This is the only list that makes sense to me. If they stray out of that list, it really seems like they would be shooting themselves in the foot.
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted September 30, 2010 12:06 PM |
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I wouldn't put too much faith into fan favs and stuff like that. The developers made it clear they are aiming for having 5 completely different factions and having almost half of the units changed or re-imagined. If they listened to "it's not Heroes without black dragons or titans", they can easily end up struggling with changing Academy or Dungeon. I can see them preferring to have their own vision and going with factions they can make fresh.
Even if Stronghold was not in the original H5, it's still based on one of the 4 original factions from H1 and has been used as the prominent non-magic faction. It's also a faction where they can change the units more easily (they keep Centaurs and Orcs but the rest is new) since beast men is a bigger pile, whereas I think it's more difficult with Fortress or Dungeon where everything has to be dwarf or dark elf related.
If it's not in the original H6, the same arguments can be used for being an easily conceivable expansion addition.
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emilsn
Legendary Hero
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posted September 30, 2010 03:40 PM |
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Probably not another evil faction  but a "good" faction
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OmegaDestroyer
Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
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posted September 30, 2010 04:26 PM |
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It will be Elves. Always with the damn elves.
Odd I'm complaining about that seeing as how Blood Bowl: Legendary Edition will have 4 elf teams and that doesn't bother me. That's only because they are nice and squishy, perfect for a Chaos Warrior to tear limb from limb.
I think it will come down to:
Haven, Sylvan, Infero, Necropolis, and Dungeon. That way they'd still have 3 out of the original 4 kingdoms. Just wouldn't be HOMM without Black Dragons.
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted September 30, 2010 05:21 PM |
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4th could be academy so sylvan and dark elf come with an "elf" expansion.
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted September 30, 2010 06:02 PM |
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-Haven
-Sylvan
-Inferno
-Necropolis
-Academy
Except that they've promised us 1 new faction in vanilla, so Either Academy or Sylvan is going to have to wait till an expansion.
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted September 30, 2010 06:26 PM |
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Edited by MrDragon at 18:27, 30 Sep 2010.
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Little bit off topic:
I think the least essential faction that will most likely not be returning any time soon is H5 "Fortress".
They were not well liked* and included very little creature variety.
Dwarf, Dwarf, Dwarf on Bear, Dwarf, Dwarf, really big Dwarf, sad excuse for a Dragon.
6 out of 7 creatures are Dwarves or some variation of them.
85.7% of the faction was a short hairy (awesome) Viking/Scotsman.
No no matter how awesome Dwarves are, that's just not right.
(*Correct me if I'm horribly mistaking here and there is a giant H5 Fortress fanbase, if this is the case I apologize and will withdraw this statement as soon as you notify me.)
My predictions at the moment, is, boldly enough, 2 races per expansion.
Note that this is my PREDICTION, not my WISH.
HoMMVI Vanilla:
Haven (leaning might)
Inferno (leaning might)
Necropolis (leaning magic)
Sylvan (leaning magic)
-Sanctuary- (Naga, H3 Fortress and possibly some orient) (balanced)
HoMMVI Exp1:
Stronghold (heavy might)
Academy (heavy magic) (WITH TITAN, will appear on the box art.)
HoMMVI Exp2:
Dungeon (heavy magic) (WITH BLACK DRAGON, will be the posterboy for the expansion.)
-Something new- (leaning might)
Warning this prediction might change drastically based on gameplay provided by the 5 starting factions, story developments during the game, creatures including within the game, etc etc.
But this is my prediction, for now.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 30, 2010 07:24 PM |
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I doubt titans and black dragons won't be in H6 vanilla
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Fool
Hired Hero
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posted September 30, 2010 08:58 PM |
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Edited by Fool at 21:04, 30 Sep 2010.
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I doubt titans and black dragons won't be in H6 vanilla
One of them will have to go. Academy and Dungeon can't both be added, since one of the factions is completely new.
(An Academy vs. Stronghold expansion would be pretty interesting, though. Perhaps the Silver Cities declare war on the orcs when they reveal themselves, and try to recapture them? Or maybe a prequel to the prequel set during the orc crusades?)
Anyway, I'm not entirely sure what the fourth faction will be, but I do doubt they'd add Slyvan without adding Dungeon as well, so I'm going with Academy. (Stronghold is also a possibility, but I'm in favor of the "2 good, 2 evil, one neutral" theory so I don't think it's likely)
I agree that Slyvan and Dungeon are likely to be added in an expansion, since the fact that the elven catastrophe happens a mere two years after HoMM6 is highly suspicious.
Edit: Something just occurred to me. Supporters of the "2 good, 2 evil, one neutral" theory seem to assume that the new faction will be the neutral one. What if they're the "good" faction, and the returning faction is neutral? Admittedly there isn't much to work with there (HoMM3 Stronghold, Fortress, and Conflux are the only possibilities, and somehow I doubt any of them will appear), but it's still possible.
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted September 30, 2010 09:32 PM |
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I doubt titans and black dragons won't be in H6 vanilla
One of them will have to go. Academy and Dungeon can't both be added, since one of the factions is completely new.
(An Academy vs. Stronghold expansion would be pretty interesting, though. Perhaps the Silver Cities declare war on the orcs when they reveal themselves, and try to recapture them? Or maybe a prequel to the prequel set during the orc crusades?)
Anyway, I'm not entirely sure what the fourth faction will be, but I do doubt they'd add Slyvan without adding Dungeon as well, so I'm going with Academy. (Stronghold is also a possibility, but I'm in favor of the "2 good, 2 evil, one neutral" theory so I don't think it's likely)
I agree that Slyvan and Dungeon are likely to be added in an expansion, since the fact that the elven catastrophe happens a mere two years after HoMM6 is highly suspicious.
Edit: Something just occurred to me. Supporters of the "2 good, 2 evil, one neutral" theory seem to assume that the new faction will be the neutral one. What if they're the "good" faction, and the returning faction is neutral? Admittedly there isn't much to work with there (HoMM3 Stronghold, Fortress, and Conflux are the only possibilities, and somehow I doubt any of them will appear), but it's still possible.
Well, Dungeon has a shot at being helmed by the Faceless, suppose the Dungeon hierarchy already was in place and the Dark Elves acted merely as proxies for the secretive faceless?
That could explain an older dungeon without elves. (and thus 66.6% more awesome.)
And yes, while it is ENTIRELY possible and in fact one of the arguments for Stronghold as 4th, the current dominant theory for the 5th faction is Naga/Sanctuary which strike me as Neutral.
I considered this myself, in fact, the naga faction might even be good.
On the other hand, the faction alignment ratio might not skew that way at all, especially considering that in the story, whilst Necromancy is DARK MAGIC *spooky lightning with organ cord* in Asha, necromancers have repeatedly been cast as good guys or merely morally ambiguous.
Heck maybe on the alignment scale you could say Necro's are neutral and we're getting a good an an evil race.
Which frees up Dungeon as potential 4th.
And then there's the chance that our 5th predictions are COMPLETELY off-target, which lets face it.. is VERY possible.
Speculation will remain speculation, but I'll stick to my prediction for now.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 01, 2010 12:40 AM |
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Edited by Fauch at 00:41, 01 Oct 2010.
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I actually imagine black dragon to be the strongest creature (like in H4 vanilla) and neutral. bone dragon could be neutral too and stronger than in H3 and H5
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