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Valen-Teen
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posted October 01, 2010 01:06 AM |
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In my opinion there will be Academy  as 4th faction.
I think so cause it can be opposition to Necromancers, cause we have already 2 evil factions and 2 might-oriented races, cause there is jungle terrain (which changes to desert). Also I wish add-on with Elves vs. Dark elves =)
Hmm...
If it`s Academy, it needs to think about creatures: we know that there will be djinnes in line-up. What about new creatures - I can see Rocs, Spirits, Wisps, White tigers or even Panthers! Titan can be champion and maybe there`ll be Black dragons as neutral creature? ;-)
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Aosaw
Promising
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Author of Nonreal Fiction
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posted October 01, 2010 03:09 AM |
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We should also entertain the possibility that, by "original", they mean that the faction has a different kind of leader at its helm.
The Dungeon might be headed by the Faceless, with dark elves acting as pawns. That would be an "original" faction, even though it is essentially the same dungeon we've seen since H1. That would also allow them to have an Elves vs. Elves sort of confrontation.
But I don't think it's going to happen like that. I think Black Hole actually has a better head on their shoulders, and they know that when they say "original faction", the fans are going to expect something entirely new, and will negatively react to the revelation that this "new" faction is in fact a retooled old faction.
...Yes, I realize I just talked myself in a circle...
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted October 01, 2010 07:34 AM |
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N-uh uh. New means new.
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blizz
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posted October 02, 2010 11:50 AM |
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Edited by blizz at 11:51, 02 Oct 2010.
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N-uh uh. New means new.
If the 5th faction is entirely new then it cant be naga based because naga isnt new creature to hom&m. right?
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted October 02, 2010 11:59 AM |
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Except that Nagas never actually appeared in H5, so they'd still count as new.
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted October 02, 2010 12:06 PM |
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Except that Nagas never actually appeared in H5, so they'd still count as new.
This relates to all heroes games not only 5 as far as i know 
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Dexter
Known Hero
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posted October 02, 2010 12:09 PM |
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Except that Nagas never actually appeared in H5, so they'd still count as new.
This relates to all heroes games not only 5 as far as i know
First off, a Naga faction has never appeared in any previous Heroes game, so looking at the situation from this point of view, it might be considered a new one.
Second, Heroes V is the only game you may trully take into account at this point, since in Heroes I to IV we had a totally different world, and we got rid of it with the new installment.
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odium
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posted October 02, 2010 08:39 PM |
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Edited by odium at 21:28, 02 Oct 2010.
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"A legendary Archangel General, killed during the war of the Elder races, is resurrected. Under the cover of preparations for the upcoming Demon invasion, he plots to recover his powers and take control of Ashan while eradicating his ancient enemies."
Who were the angels' ancient enemies? The faceless. So for sure we will have some Angels (Heaven) vs Faceless (in the form of creature or boss) confrontation. With whom are the Faceless (the ones that are still alive) allied? Looking at the timeline we see this: "540 YSD: War of the bitter ashes; the creation of the Dark Elves etc". So in my opinion the 4th faction will be Dungeon and perhaps The Faceless will be a creature in the Dungeon lineup (although I'm still debating with myself over this since I cannot see the Black Dragons not being part of the Dungeon lineup).
For sure one of the expansions will deal with the Day of the Tears of Fire and the death of Tuidhana so elves will make an apperance as a sixth race.
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I've just watched the latest interview with Evolution and Erwen LeBreton and he said that Heroes 6 will be "more sexy". As far as I remember the sexy part in Heroes 5 was more related to Dark Elves (Dungeon) than any other race. Of course Nagas might be sexy as well... 
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"there is another hero called Crag Hack in the Might & Magic role-playing games who is actually a Dwarf. And there is also a hero called Crag Hack on the world of Ashan, you might meet him some day…". It seems that the dwarves will also make an apperance in an expansion.
"And rumor has it than there is also a hero called Solmyr on the world of Ashan…" So Academy will be in as well in an expansion.
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted October 02, 2010 09:28 PM |
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I'd agree that some manner of tree-shagging pixies is a safe bet 
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted October 03, 2010 02:44 AM |
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I see nothing sexy about a dendrofilian pixie. The Blood Fury and Shadow Witch on the other hand...
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted October 03, 2010 08:45 AM |
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Edited by MrDragon at 08:45, 03 Oct 2010.
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"A legendary Archangel General, killed during the war of the Elder races, is resurrected. Under the cover of preparations for the upcoming Demon invasion, he plots to recover his powers and take control of Ashan while eradicating his ancient enemies."
Who were the angels' ancient enemies? The faceless. So for sure we will have some Angels (Heaven) vs Faceless (in the form of creature or boss) confrontation. With whom are the Faceless (the ones that are still alive) allied? Looking at the timeline we see this: "540 YSD: War of the bitter ashes; the creation of the Dark Elves etc". So in my opinion the 4th faction will be Dungeon and perhaps The Faceless will be a creature in the Dungeon lineup (although I'm still debating with myself over this since I cannot see the Black Dragons not being part of the Dungeon lineup).
Very distinct possibility.
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I've just watched the latest interview with Evolution and Erwen LeBreton and he said that Heroes 6 will be "more sexy". As far as I remember the sexy part in Heroes 5 was more related to Dark Elves (Dungeon) than any other race. Of course Nagas might be sexy as well...
They are probably referring to higher quality graphics in a more evocative style then Heroes V.
Not to making certain female characters in the game even more scantily clad and curvy.
(I think the Dungeon Shadow Matriarch was a bit over the top, can't really take her seriously, the Shadow Witch and Mistress both wore at least enough clothes (the mistress barely though.))
Don't get me wrong, I like a little eye-candy, but not that blatant.
A little subtlety would be nice.
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"there is another hero called Crag Hack in the Might & Magic role-playing games who is actually a Dwarf. And there is also a hero called Crag Hack on the world of Ashan, you might meet him some day…". It seems that the dwarves will also make an apperance in an expansion.
So possibility that they bring back Crag Hack the Barbarian is significantly higher then Crag Hack the Dwarf.
Crag Hack the Barbarian is a iconic hero of the series, the dwarf was a minor character of the Might and Magic RPGs.
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"And rumor has it than there is also a hero called Solmyr on the world of Ashan…" So Academy will be in as well in an expansion.
Seems likely, yeah.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted October 03, 2010 08:55 AM |
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Interesting hints there, I agree that's about Academy and Stronghold. So does that mean Academy and Stronghold is 4th and 5th faction, or does it mean they will be expansions and Sylvan and Sanctuary (Naga) are 4th and 5th faction?
Confusion is spreading.
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odium
Known Hero
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posted October 03, 2010 11:44 AM |
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Edited by odium at 11:51, 03 Oct 2010.
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So possibility that they bring back Crag Hack the Barbarian is significantly higher then Crag Hack the Dwarf.
Crag Hack the Barbarian is a iconic hero of the series, the dwarf was a minor character of the Might and Magic RPGs.
True, but as far as I see it, they can only put Crag Hack in Stronghold(Orcs) or Fortress(Dwarves). Even though the ideals of Stronghold match 100% with Crag Hack the iconic hero, the fact that it is an orc nation makes it hardly a choice. Then we have the dwarves which are also warrior like people. So maybe we won't have the old Crag Hack (which in any case would be impossible since we have different world wrt to Heroes1-4) but we could get someone which will have the same spirit as Crag Hack (in "another continuum" as they say ). Moreover the name itself does not have an orcish sonority (which is klingonian like) but matches sonority of dwarves faction (scandinavian, northern).
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Interesting hints there, I agree that's about Academy and Stronghold. So does that mean Academy and Stronghold is 4th and 5th faction, or does it mean they will be expansions and Sylvan and Sanctuary (Naga) are 4th and 5th faction?
Confusion is spreading.
well not really. In my opinion things are pretty clear. Naga will be the new faction (water/jungle faction). There is a bit of doubt regarding the 4th faction. However if they touch the Faceless anywhere in the plot than 100% it has to be Dungeon (dark elves). Otherwise it will be the elves. There will be 2 add-ons and at least one will add more than 1 faction. Academy will be in an add-on for sure (Solymir hint). Elves will be in as well (or dungeon if they put elves in vanilla since for sure the plot will include the Day of the Tears of Fire). And then we will also have Dwarves (Crag Hack hint as well as a possible subplot with confrontation and beginning of hatred between dwarves and dark elves). I think the orcs will be left out since I don't see how they can add them in the plot.
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted October 03, 2010 04:17 PM |
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I'd say Academy. It's relatively good-aligned faction and with it Inferno and Necropolis will be balanced, it is a faction that can easily be led by a human from one of the Griffin Duchies, we know that there will be a blue phoenix in the game and this is Academy creature in Clash of Heroes from what I've seen (I haven't played this... thing myself), it's important for the storyline and finally but most importantly - I WANT it to be Academy, because I'm sick and tired of the pointy-eared alternatives. 
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MattII
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posted October 03, 2010 04:54 PM |
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well not really. In my opinion things are pretty clear. Naga will be the new faction (water/jungle faction).
Actually, there is no proof of this whatsoever, it just happens to be (to most people) the most probably choice based on the fact that we have some concept art left over from the last game.
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However if they touch the Faceless anywhere in the plot than 100% it has to be Dungeon (dark elves).
Except the DE are still above ground at the moment according to the timeline, so Dungeon is a possibility, but that doesn't necessarily mean we'll be seeing the Dark Elves in it.
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Otherwise it will be the elves.
Again, there's no proof, which means it could as easily be Academy.
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...and at least one will add more than 1 faction.
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Academy will be in an add-on for sure (Solymir hint).
If it's not in vanilla.
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted October 03, 2010 05:33 PM |
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Well if info on m&m wiki is correct about nagas then they are disciples of Shalassa (dragon of water). At the end of the gameplay video of adventure map u can see a water dragon cutscene. That is a pretty good hint imo.
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Warlord
Famous Hero
Lord of Image Spam
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posted October 03, 2010 05:48 PM |
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Well if info on m&m wiki is correct about nagas then they are disciples of Shalassa (dragon of water). At the end of the gameplay video of adventure map u can see a water dragon cutscene. That is a pretty good hint imo.
That's a boss. It doesn't have to be related to Naga.
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Danny
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posted October 03, 2010 05:50 PM |
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Well if info on m&m wiki is correct about nagas then they are disciples of Shalassa (dragon of water). At the end of the gameplay video of adventure map u can see a water dragon cutscene. That is a pretty good hint imo.
That, and those snake symbols on the walls in the demo. And it's all set in the jungle terrain...
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted October 03, 2010 05:51 PM |
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Well if info on m&m wiki is correct about nagas then they are disciples of Shalassa (dragon of water). At the end of the gameplay video of adventure map u can see a water dragon cutscene. That is a pretty good hint imo.
Hey, I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's not certain.
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odium
Known Hero
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posted October 03, 2010 06:19 PM |
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Edited by odium at 18:30, 03 Oct 2010.
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Except the DE are still above ground at the moment according to the timeline, so Dungeon is a possibility, but that doesn't necessarily mean we'll be seeing the Dark Elves in it.
I guess you are right here that they are not underground until they get exiled. However, this does not change too much in my line of thoughts. I would expect that they have been changed following the pact with Malassa. So, in my opinion the dark elves (dungeon), living probably at that time both underground and above ground, still have the highest probability of being the 4th faction due to Faceless being part of the plot.
Another quite probable option would be the fact that Tuidhana's elves (which btw following the pact are now called dark elves) did not change apart from the name. And they will change only when they get exiled. In my opinion this is valid as well but I like it less. I mean they are called dark elves but they still look like normal elves... Not to mention the fact that unless a significant change in the faction has occured they will have a hard time explaining how the hell did Tuidhana's elves manage to get both humans and Irollan elves out from her territory when before they were getting their @66 kicked.
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Actually, there is no proof of this whatsoever
Again, there's no proof,
Proof?
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If there were proofs than we would have nothing to discuss because things would be clear. At the moment we have some pieces of the puzzle and to this extent some things are more probable than others but nothing is for sure. For instance the idea that nagas would be the new faction: it's not a fact but it's a hell lot more probable than any other ideas.
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