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MrDragon
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posted November 08, 2010 08:54 AM |
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I definitely think the new, new faction are the Naga by now.
I do not think they will have 2 towns in one expansion (sylvan + dungeon).
I am leaning towards Sylvan as the fourth faction now as they traditionally are very different from Inferno etc (Sylvan are fast etc).
1. They would be unique with their fast playstyle.
2. I would Love to see a HoMM without elves.
3. They have not mentioned the Elves so it would certainly be a surprise to some.
4. The Silver Cities is already said to be the home of the Necros. Would be weird to have two factions saying Silver Cities.
5. The Wood elves actually do something during this time and would fit so well with an expansion with Dark elves, Underground creatures and Faceless Ones.
6. Finally, I think they fit more to Autumn plains (I still think there will be trees...) than Academy who live in a desert.
Completely agree, except with point 2.
I would also like to add:
7. Faction diversity, Academy is like the "good twin brother" of Necropolis, whilst Sylvan has no such analog amongst the three revealed.
8. Perfect way to introduce Dungeon in a later expansion when we're already acquainted with their lesser kin, instead of giving us a double whammy of elves in a single expansion leaving little screen time for anything different and varied for the people who don't appreciate elves so much.
9. Academy could then come in in the same expansion as a good aligned counter balance for some campaign angle diversity.
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DarkLord
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posted November 08, 2010 04:44 PM |
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I definitely think the new, new faction are the Naga by now.
I do not think they will have 2 towns in one expansion (sylvan + dungeon).
I am leaning towards Sylvan as the fourth faction now as they traditionally are very different from Inferno etc (Sylvan are fast etc).
1. They would be unique with their fast playstyle.
2. I would Love to see a HoMM without elves.
3. They have not mentioned the Elves so it would certainly be a surprise to some.
4. The Silver Cities is already said to be the home of the Necros. Would be weird to have two factions saying Silver Cities.
5. The Wood elves actually do something during this time and would fit so well with an expansion with Dark elves, Underground creatures and Faceless Ones.
6. Finally, I think they fit more to Autumn plains (I still think there will be trees...) than Academy who live in a desert.
Completely agree, except with point 2.
I would also like to add:
7. Faction diversity, Academy is like the "good twin brother" of Necropolis, whilst Sylvan has no such analog amongst the three revealed.
8. Perfect way to introduce Dungeon in a later expansion when we're already acquainted with their lesser kin, instead of giving us a double whammy of elves in a single expansion leaving little screen time for anything different and varied for the people who don't appreciate elves so much.
9. Academy could then come in in the same expansion as a good aligned counter balance for some campaign angle diversity.
I would say for a point 2:
I would Hate to see HoMM without Nature alligned faction,
and in the same time would Love to see less Elves not like HoMM5
for a point 6:
will be disappointing for me to see disciples3-like autumn-elves, but i guess you are right. even fits in a timeline (elves were living in autumn planes, then fire burns down elven capital, the mother of trees is consumed by fire, so elves moved to deep forest bla bla etc.)
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Danny
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posted November 08, 2010 08:44 PM |
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I agree that the biggest argument against Academy is the Silver Cities redundancy, it also collides with the terrain division. And personally at this point I feel it would be too predictable to announce Academy, 4 months after the first 3 factions. Still feeling that Stronghold has a possibility due to gameplay purposes and it would be a "shock factor" considering practically everyone expects wizards or elves.
If Elves got the autumn thingy, it would still be less of a rip off than the Warhammer Dark Elves in H5. It also doesn't seem that D3 made a substantial impact so the average player won't even notice the similarity.
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Elvin
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posted November 08, 2010 10:19 PM |
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Seriously guys you think anyone considers the Silver cities redundancy when creating a game? 
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veco
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posted November 08, 2010 10:22 PM |
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you big tease
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MrDragon
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posted November 08, 2010 10:52 PM |
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Edited by MrDragon at 22:54, 08 Nov 2010.
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HoMMI
Well something's gotte give, out of the 4 original factions only one has been revealed out of 5.
With 2 empty slots left and 1 of those being new, that leaves just 1 of the four classics to crawl back in.
HoMMII
Then from the expanded 6, still only 2 in the 3.
HoMMIII
Then from the expanded 8 (not counting conflux), we finally reached 3 out of 3.
Going by seniority:
Sorceress/Rampart/Sylvan, Warlock/Dungeon, Barbarian/Stronghold got equal shots at it.
After them Academy.
After Academy comes Fortress (HoMMIII)
After Fortress (HoMMIII) comes Fortress (HoMMV)
And Conflux just doesn't count, everybody knows that was a last minute town thrown together on the spot from the backlash the Forge was causing.
So yeah, at least 2 of the original 4 are getting axed for the initial release, possibly 3.
Kinda lost my train of thought here, something about redundancy...
Ah yes, well, that means if they are willing to cut that deep, to be honest, any faction's got nearly an equal shot at that 4th slot.
Some got a TINY advantage though, and I'd say the one with the biggest TINY advantage is Sorceress/Rampart/Sylvan for many reasons I already stated once before.
It's got my bet, but I'm not willing to make a serious gamble based on that.
Despite the fact that I'd prefer Dungeon(pre-HoMMV) or Stronghold or Academy.
In that order.
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Cepheus
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posted November 08, 2010 11:33 PM |
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Keep in mind the existence of both jungle and water terrains - don't take anything for granted.  And of course the underground.
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xerox
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posted November 09, 2010 04:26 PM |
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If Naga will be race then I doubt very much they will have their towns floating on the sea. Ugh, the Naga maps would be horrible!
No thanks, jungle is fine for Naga.
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phinex
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posted November 09, 2010 05:57 PM |
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From the trailer it can be seem that jungle is for naga.
As for undergroud,imo possibly a misleading trick,it just to distinguish the maps which have two layers(surface and underground).
At last,we got the plain of autumn,according to storyline of h5,orc lives in plain of Rannar which located in east of the griffin empire(falcon empire in h6).
So I guess the 4th faction is stronghold.
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MrDragon
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posted November 09, 2010 06:05 PM |
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I would like to remind everybody that the Naga faction is a theory.
Nothing has been proven.
We have a lot of hints and clues pointing in that direction, but I wouldn't be so certain.
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DarkLord
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posted November 09, 2010 06:13 PM |
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If not Naga then who??? ...Faceless???
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MrDragon
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posted November 09, 2010 07:10 PM |
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Maybe, maybe something we're completely unaware of.
The map of Ashan might be bigger then we've seen, heck even the parts we've seen on the map have not all been explored.
We have no idea if, or how many other creatures and cultures are out there.
I mean I'm a strong advocate of the Naga theory, but we really shouldn't draw conclusions at this stage.
A lot can happen.
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DarkLord
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posted November 09, 2010 07:21 PM |
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From the trailer it can be seem that jungle is for naga.
As for undergroud,imo possibly a misleading trick,it just to distinguish the maps which have two layers(surface and underground).
At last,we got the plain of autumn,according to storyline of h5,orc lives in plain of Rannar which located in east of the griffin empire(falcon empire in h6).
So I guess the 4th faction is stronghold.
Ohh please Not Stronghold!!! Don't like their "Hack and Slash" style
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Danny
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posted November 09, 2010 08:57 PM |
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From the trailer it can be seem that jungle is for naga.
As for undergroud,imo possibly a misleading trick,it just to distinguish the maps which have two layers(surface and underground).
At last,we got the plain of autumn,according to storyline of h5,orc lives in plain of Rannar which located in east of the griffin empire(falcon empire in h6).
So I guess the 4th faction is stronghold.
It IS misleading, the boss is confirmed to be Necropolis related. The scenery around her in the underground is most likely a one-off thing.
Agree with the Stronghold reasoning, I also think it's a lot easier to revamp it than the wizards. Not to mention that relegating Stronghold to an expansion faction once again would be silly, people wouldn't get excited for it, while if it's the other 3 "classic" factions promised for an expansion then it would get more attention.
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Hakkology
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posted November 10, 2010 12:18 AM |
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There is no naga race, Naga are just creatures that are used by wizards in most occasions ( H3 and H4 ).
If naga are the new "faction" like dumb units ( naga warriors ) or such things, it would be a huge dissappointment and heroes 6 would be another game of the "not included" part of my collection.
Maybe a race that uses Nagas, The Faceless is a good name i suppose, original and different from the wizards, which would rule out the need for Academy and we can all vote for Sylvan at that point.
Imo .
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Lichking012
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posted November 10, 2010 01:39 AM |
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There is no naga race, Naga are just creatures that are used by wizards in most occasions ( H3 and H4 ).
If naga are the new "faction" like dumb units ( naga warriors ) or such things, it would be a huge dissappointment and heroes 6 would be another game of the "not included" part of my collection.
Maybe a race that uses Nagas, The Faceless is a good name i suppose, original and different from the wizards, which would rule out the need for Academy and we can all vote for Sylvan at that point.
Imo .
Well Naga's are a race in heroes 5 lore. I think that a faction with them as the primary unit would be a plus. Although I do think that in a Naga faction there should be two naga units at the most. I think that lizardmen and MIGHTY GORGONS (with their ungodly ability please) would be plenty fitting in a Naga faction along with perhaps medusas harpies and some other H3 dungeon misfits. When I think Naga faction I think more of a serpentine/reptilian faction that has somewhat of an alignment to water more than anything else. I don't think of a town with Naga warriors, Naga Mages, Naga generals, Naga Bowmen. That's just lame.
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Nelgirith
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posted November 10, 2010 09:26 AM |
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There is no naga race, Naga are just creatures that are used by wizards in most occasions ( H3 and H4 ).
If naga are the new "faction" like dumb units ( naga warriors ) or such things, it would be a huge dissappointment and heroes 6 would be another game of the "not included" part of my collection.
Maybe a race that uses Nagas, The Faceless is a good name i suppose, original and different from the wizards, which would rule out the need for Academy and we can all vote for Sylvan at that point.
Imo .
As LichKing012 said, Nagas ARE one of the 6 races created by the Elemental Dragons :
- Elrath (Light) = Angels
- Sylath/Ylath (Air) = Humans
- Malassa (Shadow) = Faceless
- Sylanna (Earth) = Sylvan elves
- Arkath (Fire) = Dwarves
- Shalassa (Water) = Nagas
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xerox
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posted November 10, 2010 01:59 PM |
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I think we will see Faceless as a top unit in an expansion town that resembles the traditional H3 dungeon but with a FEW dark elves.
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Hakkology
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posted November 10, 2010 03:35 PM |
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I'm sorry, dont know much about the H5 lore, i didn't know that still i don't like the idea of a race being named as "Naga". However, a reptilian race including the naga would make sense but it'd be cool to see Naga's with the wizards you know .
They were my favourite units in H3 ( mostly prefered genies in H4 ) so my vote was on the "Tower" despite the tomatoes and naga love. Been playing H4 for a while really missed the old art style  .
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mytheroes
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posted November 10, 2010 03:43 PM |
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I'm sorry, dont know much about the H5 lore, i didn't know that still i don't like the idea of a race being named as "Naga". However, a reptilian race including the naga would make sense but it'd be cool to see Naga's with the wizards you know .
They were my favourite units in H3 ( mostly prefered genies in H4 ) so my vote was on the "Tower" despite the tomatoes and naga love. Been playing H4 for a while really missed the old art style .
Naga and tomatoes are for the 5th faction which is brand new. The 4th faction is an old faction.
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