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Did Adam and Eve existed actually? Or were they the only humans at first or there were more? If you read the Bible - so yes, they are the only humans at first.
But then. They had sons only. So how they managed to have offspring?
1) From Eve (Ya, LOL, since the Christianity officially is against the incest of course);
2) A friend of mine who knowing a lot about Christianity told me on the same question, that as we all know, according to the Christianity holy books and the Church women are not humans, and only males are humans basiclly. So maybe Adam and Eve had female offspring too, but since females are not men, they were not recorded in the Bible. So mothers of the son's children were maybe their own sisters (again - incest);
3) Since we all know from the biology, and THIS IS PROVEN, offspring that is result of incest may be born dead in many cases or with many genetic diseases and etc. Also impotent in many cases. And this mean generations of children born after incest sexual acts. How the mankind even survived? So maybe there is 3th possibility - God created more men and women, not only two;
4) Adam and Eve never existed;
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posted February 23, 2011 02:40 PM |
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Do Christians believe in the existance of Pangea?
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posted February 23, 2011 04:13 PM |
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So I can basically conclude that we agree on most major aspects of humanity, religion, and psychology.
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Of course humans made religion. However, another good example would be the road codex. If you see a driver going 200km/h on a road limited to 40km/h, is it because codex sucks, or is it because the driver deliberately chose to ignore the law?
It is both. many codexes, especially in countries like Polska, are put into practice to drain money from common citizens that have never done and probably never will commit a serious crime. In the case you gave, however, it is still the driver's fault, despite the ridiculously low speed limit. While driving at, say, 60km/h or even 80km/h with a limit of 40, it isn't so bad, because he just wants to get there on time and doesn't pose a bigger threat to anyone...driving an enormous 200km/h is ridiculously too fast, and insecure to everyone around and himself. A limit of 40km/h is quite understandable in areas like villages etc. with a lot of housing and curly roads.
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many people bring up crusades as the point against Christianity. A valid one, but(...)
As I mentioned before, I gave this as an examplery OBSERVATION, NOT an ARGUMENT...or a counterargument to what Elodin said about atheists, but I still wouldn't use this as an argument.
We agree on everything as I can see, but realise this:
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the whole idea of religion - this particular - is NOT to kill.
Who cares about the "idea" and "morals" of religion, if it's creators' and worshippers' actions are completely ADVERSE?
Religion is like a law, that neither it's creators, nor most followers practically follow. I mean beneficial laws and morals, nonsense and idiotic threats like burning in hell for missing church on Sunday aside...What I am saying, religion is absolutely unnecessary, because with people it will never work out anyways, and having it in practice, you get worthless institutions like the church, Vatican etc. that drain money from societies and give shi* nothing in return, all "in the name of god".  Do you understand what I mean?
Not even mentioning my strong disbelief in god and afterlife, I would even be tolerant towards religion, if it was consequently criticised and penalised openly for flaws and exploition.
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The problem with religion - along with everything else that can be used to justify our actions - is that it's too easily twisted to suit one's opinions.
Exactly  . And this simply explains the motives of creating all religions in the first place - so the people in charge, would remain in it, dominate over the society in a dictator-like way, keep the hordes of "believers" under control and PAYING, both for their "sins" and as obligatory payments for the friggin church etc, and slaughter all atheists (read: those who oppose that dictatorship).
@Mytical
That was an interesting cliche analytical comment without actual analysing, please read my comments again, and you'll see that my "atheist" responses are nothing like what you described in the "plan" 
OF COURSE ADAM AND EVE NEVER EXISTED, HUMANS EVOLVED FROM OTHER PRIMATES, MOST OF THE TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE ARE EXTREMELY ILLOGICAL BULL.
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Do Christians believe in the existance of Pangea?
Evidently not. Seeing how their little "holy book" makes them deny the undisputable evidence of evolution and pretty much all facts about the world, I doubt those worshippers believe in Pangea...
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posted February 23, 2011 04:43 PM |
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The problem with religion - along with everything else that can be used to justify our actions - is that it's too easily twisted to suit one's opinions. We don't need to look far - see Elodin.He has a shotgun at home and is ready to kill a trespasser.
Sorry, but you are making false statements about me. I will kill to protect my family but for simple tresspassing, no.
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When asked about it, he will give you a Biblical quote that in his eyes makes it just and morally ok - in mine doesn't.
Lying about someone is immoral.
Jesus told his disciples to buy a sword when going into hostile territory. Therefore self-defense is allowed by Jesus. I could care less if self-defense is not allowed by you.
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Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
The commandment of God is not to murder. It is not not ever to kill.
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No, the Christian side is "Here are the actual verses. They say exactly opposite of what you claim the Bible teaches." And there are plenty of examples of that in this thread alone. Anti-theists don't think lying is wrong and enjoy lying about religion.
The anti-theits present lies about what the Bible says. I quote the Bible. I present facts, they present fiction. Simple as that.
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Did Adam and Eve existed actually? Or were they the only humans at first or there were more? If you read the Bible - so yes, they are the only humans at first
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Yep Since you know what the Bible said, why do you ask?
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But then. They had sons only. So how they managed to have offspring?
No, somebody lied to you. You should try reading the Bible yourself. Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters. Point out that verse to whoever lied to you and ask them to stop spreading lies.
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Gen 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
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1) From Eve (Ya, LOL, since the Christianity officially is against the incest of course);
Marriage between brother and sister were not wrong in the beginning. There was no commandment against it until the Mosaic law. And obviously the first brothers and had to marry the first sisters.
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2) A friend of mine who knowing a lot about Christianity told me on the same question, that as we all know, according to the Christianity holy books and the Church women are not humans, and only males are humans basiclly.
Your friend lied to you.
The Bible says that mankind is male and female. The Bible does say that women are not human.
There is no denominaton I taht says women are not human. It seems your friend tells you lots of lies. That is very typical of anti-theists though.
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Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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3) Since we all know from the biology, and THIS IS PROVEN, offspring that is result of incest may be born dead in many cases or with many genetic diseases and etc. Also impotent in many cases. And this mean generations of children born after incest sexual acts. How the mankind even survived? So maybe there is 3th possibility - God created more men and women, not only two;
Sorry, but the world was differnet in the beginning. After mankind fell he became subject to corruption and genetic mutations n man began to occur.
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4) Adam and Eve never existed;
Thank you for your statment of faith. But I don't agree with your dogma and you can offer no proof that Adam and Eve did not exist.
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posted February 23, 2011 05:34 PM |
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DISCLAIMER: Any biblical quotes from Elodin are not arguments, because that book was written by humans, and can be ignored.
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Yep Since you know what the Bible said, why do you ask?
haha, this made my day. Thank you.
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No, somebody lied to you.
No, somebody lied to you, telling you the Bible isn't an ordinary book composed by extreeemely bored apostles.
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And obviously the first brothers and had to marry the first sisters.
In that case they would all be born deformed.
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but the world was differnet in the beginning.
No it wasn't.
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After mankind fell
Mankind never fell. They were always as pathetic as they are now.
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Thank you for your statment of faith. But I don't agree with your dogma and you can offer no proof that Adam and Eve did not exist.
Erm, yes I can:
1)Humans don't appear out of thin air.
2)A species doesn't start from a single pair of specimens, but through evolution.
3)Even if this religious nonsense was true, their offspring would be deformed.
4)How do you think black people, asians, and white all come from a single pair of people of only one skin carnation?
Finally, I suggest an ordinary science book for you during occasional pauses at absorbing biblical fantasy.
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posted February 23, 2011 05:45 PM |
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Hahahaha, this is hilarious.
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You aren't really even arguing with each other.
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posted February 23, 2011 05:50 PM |
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Hahahaha, this is hilarious.
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You aren't really even arguing with each other.
Surely you cannot read my posts and then aim this comment at me My definition of an argument is both sides giving arguments: Me: logical and scientisifc explanations, Elodin: an endless avalanche of worthless biblical quotes.
Adrius I am very interested in your position in this, willing to share your views apart from laughing at us? 
All I am doing is saying how the Bible is unreliable and made up. Self defense from nonsense, really...
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posted February 23, 2011 06:03 PM |
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Adrius I am very interested in your position in this, willing to share your views apart from laughing at us?
Well to me that's the only sane thing to do, but alright.
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Me: logical and scientisifc explanations, Elodin: an endless avalanche of worthless biblical quotes.
I find it hard to tell your "observations" apart from your arguments but... I'll try.
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No, somebody lied to you, telling you the Bible isn't an ordinary book composed by extreeemely bored apostles.
You hanged with 'dem apostles? Youz like ancient bro, kepper of zeh ancient knowledge!
Funny, I can't think of any real way of knowing whether it was of divine origin or not. You're just stating your belief here, or you found some way to invent a time capsule.
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No it wasn't.
Again, this time capsule of yours sounds quite nifty. Mind if I borrow it?
Just a statement again. Apples are blue btw.
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Mankind never fell. They were always as pathetic as they are now.
Whoop de doo, some angst too. You ever tried piloting a mecha? I mean, you've got all the qualities.
Anyway, it's just a statement. I'm sure you got some scientific proof, but it can't really dispute the bible's tales in any way.
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Erm, yes I can:
1)Humans don't appear out of thin air.
2)A species doesn't start from a single pair of specimens, but through evolution.
3)Even if this religious nonsense was true, their offspring would be deformed.
4)How do you think black people, asians, and white all come from a single pair of people of only one skin carnation?
1) Just because we haven't found a way to conjure people outta thin air it ain't possible?
2) But maybe evolution is a creation of God?
3) Yeah it seems that way now, but maybe not back then?
4) GOD MAGIC!
See you can't argue against the bible with this. It's pointless.
And neither can Elodin argue against you.
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posted February 23, 2011 06:06 PM |
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3)Even if this religious nonsense was true, their offspring would be deformed.
4)How do you think black people, asians, and white all come from a single pair of people of only one skin carnation?
3) A there would be no reason for them to be deformed and B, how do you know we aren't?
4)Evolution?
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posted February 23, 2011 06:18 PM |
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well, I'm just gonna quote "Alice in wonderland" and prove you all wrong
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Not everyone wants to know the truth, which is evident by reading the threads on this board. A person who does not want truth will be fed with all the delusion he can eat.
a person who wants the truth too, often. actually, they are most likely the people who according to you don't want to know the truth, right?
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He is not going to make you worship him. Feel free to go to hell if that is your desire.
I think I saw it in some gangsters movies. feel free to not talk and die if that is your desire. then you can't blame stalin or hitler when their police would arrest "non-believers"
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HUMANS - are beings naturally stripped of morals, that even though are following the law etc. for the society to function, are at heart, just brutal animals that put their own benefit as top priority and virtually don't care for others (most, not everyone)
well, actually, many people created laws to ensure they get benefits over other people and can keep them.
I know people who thinks laws are good will argue that humans are fondamentally egoistic and brutal and that laws are necessary to restrain their instinct.
but maybe there were originally only few wicked people (mentally ill maybe) who thought they were better than other men and came with all kind of theories to justify you have to fight to prove yourself and all?
it is kinda hard to say people are fundamentally egoistic, where in schools all over the world, children are taught to be competitive, fight against each other (not physically of course)
and why would they even need to teach us how to be egoist if we fundamentally were?
it seems to me their strategy is actually divide to conquer
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posted February 23, 2011 06:20 PM |
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Sorry, but the world was differnet in the beginning. After mankind fell he became subject to corruption and genetic mutations n man began to occur.
And why it happens to animals too. It doesn't matter if the parents are from the "mankind" or animals, the generation result of incest is going to be born deformed. So there was individually falling of every animal kind? Animals are sinners as well? Animals were also subject to corruption? It happens to all known sort of animals. So it doesn't matter if they were blessed or something. Having sexual intercourse with your relatives is à perversion and a normal psychically man does not feel sexual attraction to his close relatives. And even if he ever did - the offspring is going to be deformed. But tell me why it happens to animals too. There was falling of their kinds too? Why it happens to them as well.
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4) Adam and Eve never existed;
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Thank you for your statment of faith. But I don't agree with your dogma and you can offer no proof that Adam and Eve did not exist.
And you can do proof that if their sons had sex with their sisters the offspring was not deformed, but normal?
My proof is that it was always like this =>their grandchildren were deformed => mankind can not survive this way.
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4)How do you think black people, asians, and white all come from a single pair of people of only one skin carnation?
Because other races were unknown for the jews you know.
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Hahahaha, this is hilarious.
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You aren't really even arguing with each other.
But it's the greatest OSM discussion ever, please, no more off topics. It's a moderators note.
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posted February 23, 2011 07:05 PM |
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Funny, I can't think of any real way of knowing whether it was of divine origin or not.
The fact that something being "divine" is fantasy? Just like the belief Mary was "divinely inseminated", nonsense. And the best and most frustrating thing is, if dumb theists realised that is a load of impossible bull, they'd become atheists. But they believe in paranormal activity, no more true than Santa or Easter Bunny...
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You're just stating your belief here, or you found some way to invent a time capsule.
Yes, never said I wasn't...
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Again, this time capsule of yours sounds quite nifty. Mind if I borrow it?
No, but you are free to borrow my science and geography book, it's amazing
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4) GOD MAGIC!
...nuff said...
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well, I'm just gonna quote "Alice in wonderland" and prove you all wrong
 Please do, that fairytale is at least interesting as opposed to the Bible.
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it is kinda hard to say people are fundamentally egoistic, where in schools all over the world, children are taught to be competitive, fight against each other (not physically of course)
and why would they even need to teach us how to be egoist if we fundamentally were?
 Schools? They are more concerned and absorbed with anti-bullying and non-smoking policies last time I visited mine. Besides, little kids (3-5 year old for instance) don't know what sharing, compassion, being sorry, and actually doing good to others instead of just receiving all the time are. You have to teach your little kid to share toys with others, not insult everyone they don't like, punch everyone they don't like, apologise for wrongdoing, understand other humans have feelings too, etc. If you didn't teach/forbid a baby to do those things, they would naturally grow up to be inconsiderate, egoistic, and brutal neanderthals.
Now I am exaggerating here, but just so you see my point .
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Because other races were unknown for the jews you know.
haha, exactly
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And you can do proof that if their sons had sex with their sisters the offspring was not deformed, but normal?
I think I'll eat my own face if Elodin throws a Bible quote that explains this
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posted February 23, 2011 10:29 PM |
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The fact that something being "divine" is fantasy?
That is not a fact imo.
Honestly, I think you're restraining yourself by dividing things into absolute truths and absolute falseness.
There's so much more awesomeness in walking the middle line, and questioning everything in search for deeper knowledge 
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Yes, never said I wasn't...
But how is one to argue when there are no arguments to be found?
Shouting YES and NO at each other is just pointless. We can do it forever.
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No, but you are free to borrow my science and geography book, it's amazing
Nah keep your bible
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...nuff said...
This is not my belief btw (though I do not deny the possiblity of a God), I am merely trying to point out the futility of arguing against religion in that way.
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posted February 24, 2011 12:34 AM |
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...nuff said...
This is not my belief btw (though I do not deny the possiblity of a God), I am merely trying to point out the futility of arguing against religion in that way.
From the sideline I guess I disagree.
It is ironically the most logical way of figthing of religion, because the ones who are just "There is a god and he cares, and it comforts me", are not on the fundamentalist train towards hell, hence biblequoting and weird logic.
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posted February 24, 2011 01:21 AM |
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Schools? They are more concerned and absorbed with anti-bullying and non-smoking policies last time I visited mine.
but you are only 16. at this stage, competition isn't too bad.
of course, I don't know how it is where you live, but I've seen several emissions about hyper elitist schools that taught you to be greedy to crush all the others. but anyway, that's the point of school in general (well, maybe not before highschool, when most puppils don't seem too serious about it) is to help you find a work, in other words, to make sure no one gets that job instead of you.
tell me that people don't have egoist motivations to work. how many of them do it because they really want to contribute to the society?
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Besides, little kids (3-5 year old for instance) don't know what sharing, compassion, being sorry, and actually doing good to others instead of just receiving all the time are. You have to teach your little kid to share toys with others, not insult everyone they don't like, punch everyone they don't like, apologise for wrongdoing, understand other humans have feelings too, etc.
are you often in contacts with little kids? I can say that my sister who is 11 used to be less insolent and more polite. without saying that people are born as angels and taught to become demon, we could suppose we are fundamentally like animals. I don't see animals mass murdering each others because they are of a different race, claiming properties of vaste areas where they would never ever go or destroying vast amount of lands so that they can make a profit from it. maybe they have no laws, but they aren't as wicked as us.
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If you didn't teach/forbid a baby to do those things, they would naturally grow up to be inconsiderate, egoistic, and brutal neanderthals.
how do you know that neanderthals were brutal, egoistic and inconsiderate?
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posted February 24, 2011 05:40 AM |
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And why it happens to animals too.
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Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
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Having sexual intercourse with your relatives is à perversion and a normal psychically man does not feel sexual attraction to his close relatives. And even if he ever did - the offspring is going to be deformed.
You seem to be ignorant of the fact that the first human brothers had to reproduce with sisters evern if evolution is true.
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Because other races were unknown for the jews you know.
Wow, someone sure lied to you. Even a casual reading of the Bible will show you that the Jews knew about people in othe parts of the world. My question is why you would believe such a liar when it is obvious that the Jews knew at least about the other people around them.
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But it's the greatest OSM discussion ever, please, no more off topics.
It is more like anti-theists making a lot of false claims about what the Bible says and me proving their statements false. That is hardly a discussion and it is frankly boring to continue to responsd to obvioua lies rather than honest question.
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The fact that something being "divine" is fantasy? Just like the belief Mary was "divinely inseminated", nonsense. And the best and most frustrating thing is, if dumb theists realised that is a load of impossible bull, they'd become atheists. But they believe in paranormal activity, no more true than Santa or Easter Bunny...
You are qute the religious atheist, with all your statements of faith.
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posted February 24, 2011 06:15 AM |
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*Ahem*... /topic, but did you know that Atheism is considered a religion, by definition?
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A set of beliefs and moral codes, usually dictated by a God, Gods or other supreme force that one cannot prove to be real.
So... Yeah. Atheism is a set of beliefs that someone makes After that have personally read and analyzed every religion that they can find and then decide that this religion business doesn't make sense/ isn't real based on what makes sense for them to believe in. Generally, and ironically enough, the atheist will hold to a set of morals that is defined by an established religion.
Paradox? No. Hypocrisy? Yes.
Atheists generally believe in science. Then you get those nutjobs who believe in nothing and think that there is no point to anything because the world will blow up under your feet in a second because nothing is what it seems/ constant. These nutjobs are the real atheists.
Anyway, I'll let Elodin get back to his crusade to convert you heathens by force.
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posted February 24, 2011 09:37 AM |
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Since we can't prove the non existence of God without using anything else other than our common sense, then we're talking about belief when we say that he doesn't exist. We can't say that "we know that God doesn't exist" but that "we believe that God doesn't exist". From that point of view, atheism is also based on faith but so be it.
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posted February 24, 2011 11:26 AM |
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Shouting YES and NO at each other is just pointless. We can do it forever.
NO! (see what I did there )
No but on a serious note, shouting NO to fantasy and nonsense bullcrap is nothing bad...are you gonna criticise me for shouting NO to someone's claims of Santa or the Easter Bunny...or the Monster under my bed? 
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but you are only 16. at this stage, competition isn't too bad.
How about drugs, sex, bullying, and alcohol? Most teenagers are highly demoralised WITH attempts to teach them right and with policies in place.
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are you often in contacts with little kids?
At the present moment a few, but I can very clearly and precisely remember my own experiences with them in kindergarten - primary evidence
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how do you know that neanderthals were brutal, egoistic and inconsiderate?
No, I didn't assign those personalities to them, I said: brutal, egoistic, inconsiderate AND unintelligent (comparison to Neanderthals) I know intelligence is genetic and pretty much doesn't change during lifetime, but I was more referring to knowledge.
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You seem to be ignorant of the fact that the first human brothers had to reproduce with sisters evern if evolution is true.
Erm, no. Evolution IS true, and they didn't, because in evolution there are no "first brothers and sisters", you are still thinking in terms of your magical forest with talking snakes and apples, buy a science book, I'm begging you.
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Wow, someone sure lied to you. Even a casual reading of the Bible will show you that the Jews knew about people in othe parts of the world. My question is why you would believe such a liar when it is obvious that the Jews knew at least about the other people around them.
Wow, You misinterpreted. He was just (correctly) implying that Jews only made the Bible up based on the world AROUND them. Sure, they knew the Egyptians, Romans etc. but surely never came to contact with races of the Far East, Eskimos, Native Americans, Native Australians, areas of today's Russia etc.
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It is more like anti-theists making a lot of false claims about what the Bible says and me proving their statements false. That is hardly a discussion and it is frankly boring to continue to responsd to obvioua lies rather than honest question.
This made my day, again thankyou. You have proven NONE of my statements false. And whatever the quotes from the Bible are, they are no arguments, from the Bible after all.
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You are qute the religious atheist, with all your statements of faith.
Oh I'm sorry, I forgot that the Easter Bunny, Santa, and magical In Vitro for Mary were all true! I bow down to the bible's teachings, lol.
And, Elodin, are you denying the fact that sexual intercourse, or artificial insemination (not invented in those times anyway) is necessary for conception and pregnancy? YES? I am really willing to lend you my science books because you need them.
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*Ahem*... /topic, but did you know that Atheism is considered a religion, by definition?
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Did you realise you have problems with comprehending short text? Even your definition says "dictated by a GOD, GODS, OR OTHER SUPREME FORCE THAT ONE CANNOT PROVE TO BE REAL."
My beliefs are dictated by NO ONE. AND can be proven to be real (at least most, because some disagree that no afterlife can be proven)
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Paradox? No. Hypocrisy? Yes.
Hypocrisy? Yes. In what you've posted.
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So... Yeah. Atheism is a set of beliefs that someone makes After that have personally read and analyzed every religion that they can find and then decide that this religion business doesn't make sense/ isn't real based on what makes sense for them to believe in. Generally, and ironically enough, the atheist will hold to a set of morals that is defined by an established religion.
1)Not all atheists are the same.
2)Set of morals established by religion? WHAT?
3)My beliefs are dictated by no one.
4)I have been an atheist since I was born, never believed in the religious fairytales (my family's mostly Catholic)
5)Erm, no. I never engulfed myself into any religious teachings (and don't intend to), apart from Catholic, because it's compulsory at school.
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Edited by VokialBG at 14:00, 24 Feb 2011.
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And why it happens to animals too.
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Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
So, basiclly, animals get corrupted just as humans? I'm asking you "how"? Animals can't think like us, animals kill in order to survive, that the way live. The stronger eat the smaller and etc...
So how animals got sinners.
Do animals also go to hell? Do they have souls? If yes killing a animal is a sin, just like killing a man. So, if we read this: "the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God", we can say - yes, if "the creature shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God", and if it can do it - it has a soul. It CAN NOT BE CORRUPTED IF SOULLESS => animals do have souls according to the Bible and also they are also children of God => killing an animal is a sin => jews were killing goats as sacrifice to their God => it's a paradox.
Also, since animals do have souls => they can do sins => they go to hell => it's a paradox.
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Having sexual intercourse with your relatives is à perversion and a normal psychically man does not feel sexual attraction to his close relatives. And even if he ever did - the offspring is going to be deformed.
You seem to be ignorant of the fact that the first human brothers had to reproduce with sisters evern if evolution is true.
No they do not. Evolution doesn't affect only one pear of creatures and their offspring but all the creatures from one geographic area. There can be thousands of creatures there => it's not necessity to have sex with your sister/brother. So if there were only Adam and Eve:
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Having sexual intercourse with your relatives is à perversion and a normal psychically man does not feel sexual attraction to his close relatives. And even if he ever did - the offspring is going to be deformed. Same happens with all the animals.
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Because other races were unknown for the jews you know.
Wow, someone sure lied to you. Even a casual reading of the Bible will show you that the Jews knew about people in othe parts of the world. My question is why you would believe such a liar when it is obvious that the Jews knew at least about the other people around them.
No one lied to me, I get to the conclusion myself. Jew do know people around them, but not races - read what SkrentyzMienty posted about this, I'm using the same argument here.
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1) Marry and Joseph were married. Why was she still... untouched? There was first wedding night custom during this times, after it the bride must show the bloody bedsheets to hers and her husbands relatives to proof that she was a virgin before the wedding.
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