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Aculias
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posted January 27, 2012 03:58 AM |
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Then this thread would make 0 sense.
People need to know the truth & the least HC can do is stay true to it's nature & keep the truth.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted January 27, 2012 04:01 AM |
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Lol? Seriously Acu, a small warning on Dukes thread is all he meant. This thread is here to confirm suspicions and not a land-mark for years to come.  .
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Mytical
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posted January 27, 2012 06:46 AM |
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I believe you are wrong about it being the easy path. For the moderators, the easy path would be to stand back..and issue a penalty and be done with it. To sweep it all under the bridge, let by gones be bygones..and move on. That is the easy thing to do. Penalties bring enough drama, let alone something like this. So it is easy just to shake your head sadly..and walk away.
While I understand the why, it does not excuse what was done. I was not fully here, have been barely able to do the duties in the Glade, one of the easiest forums to Moderate. I do not know the full details, but I do know one thing.
No decision like this is easy. It would be obvious that there would be some would would disagree, and some who would demand answers. It would have been so easy to sweep it under the rug and forget about it. This was not the decision that was made however. I stand behind the decision, and know that the moderators we have would not make it lightly.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted January 27, 2012 07:17 AM |
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It depends on whether you're refering to the tasks complexity or the emotional and morals behind the options.
It's easier to put a bullet through a criminals head than arrest him. (complexity and energy cost wise) But your not going to do it, because it's rules/not right/ et cetera.
A simple penalization believe it or not, is infact the harder option.  (though I never suggested this option)
As I told you easier does not equal to easy. (it's my bad for writing it wrong, I apologise for the confusion )
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Aculias
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posted January 27, 2012 09:12 AM |
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Bad or not, it is bad business if a mod goes in customizing someones thread or replies.
Bad idea, people should know exactly what was said & what is going on. It is like changing up someone's truth & no one knowing.
No matter who Duke is or was, no one should have the right to alter a thread or reply.
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posted January 27, 2012 09:18 AM |
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A mod edit noob  not a thread/post alteration/deletion (like a bad language mod edit, a little warning at the bottom)
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Aculias
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posted January 27, 2012 10:42 AM |
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BAH, you reread his whacky reply. He does not even mention mod editing a certain post.
He just RAMBLES ON about changing the thread or reply.
You make more sense then he ever tries to do.
Whenever i see him type, I always think about what he does with his fingers
He makes about as less sense as Duke even going this far.
Still a bad idea.
People should see how it detailed originally.
Ohforchristsakes still believes he is telling the truth, so it still makes his remark hypocritical.
Just saying then doing.
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posted January 27, 2012 10:49 AM |
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BAH, you reread his whacky reply.
Tsar got it right, acu. It's not about deleting history, it's about warning people. It's not this thread, it's the thread in the tavern (which you were told more than once).
My apology for not being able to formulate myself in a way you'd not misunderstand.
Btw. it has nothing about truth or being wrong, acu and salamandre. I don't think I'm speaking the truth when I make a suggestion and I understand and fully accept my suggestion might not be accepted. I just think the least that could be done would be a reply from a mod who have the ability to make said change.
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A simple penalization believe it or not, is infact the harder option. (though I never suggested this option)
Would in my opinon, also make a lot more sense. If we keep on throwing out the trash prematurely, we'll end up being out of food.
Beside, we don't even know if Mentat was Duke, we only have IP's for that. Which is a weak evidence considering how the internet is applied these days.
For all we know, Mentat could have been Duke's friend who kept his account alive on other homepages and never thought about informing us, because to her we're an entirely different world who's nothing to do with said homepages (and she would be right).
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THEN AGAIN YOUR THE ONLY ONE WHO BELIEVES DUKE, SO THIS MAKES YOUR IDEA IRRELEVANT!
I hope it won't be a surprise that I can empathise with people feeling betrayed due to having invested an enormeous amount of feelings into someone who they now percieve as a sad "douce" despite not agreeing with their perception. And that I can imagine if the regular user will have this perception, future regular users who've yet not read the thread and might read it, will most likely share the same perception and therefore the same emotional unpleasentry.
So despite I actually still doesn't believe in the mod conclusion (which is not the same as believing in duke, thank you very much), my motives for the suggestion was about potential new peoples feelings and not about what is "truth" regarding Duke_Falcon and Mentat.
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With all respect, Mytical, that's an insult to a vast majority of humans.
We have all made stupid things in our lives. What Duke did was quite minor to say.. making someone quit their abroad education because of bullying. I'm sorry if this comment about your past might upset you in some way, I just think a lot of comments in this thread makes Duke worse than he is. I understand why Selcy is upset and I understand why acu may be upset, but some comments by the average user, I think is over the limit. Yes we were fooled, but I can't help but like the idea that this is better than the alternative. Quoting Jaba:
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What's best, that our beloved friend Duke is going to leave us because of some bloody cancer, or that Duke is a douce that just thinks he can toys with us, for fun or for attention.
My conclusion was that he'd be better of as a douce, so yay for that. :/
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posted January 27, 2012 11:47 AM |
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Acu, this is what would be changed:
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BLA BLA BLA CANCER BLA BLA NOBLE BLA BLA FIGHT ON!!
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Mod edit: this story was a troll attempt. See this thread for details. / Mod squad.
BLA BLA BLA CANCER BLA BLA NOBLE BLA BLA FIGHT ON!!
History is not changed in the slightest. Nothing is removed.
It's a simple warning to make sure that this story doesn't make any more people feel sympathy or pain because of this man's hoax.
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No matter who Duke is or was, no one should have the right to alter a thread or reply.
That's what mods are for man, deal with it. If a reply is considered CoC breaking it may very well be moderated.
Though I know you're like "I SHOULD GET TO SAY WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT LIKE IN THE GOOD OL' DAYS" so I understand why you don't like mods tampering too much ^^
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Aculias
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posted January 27, 2012 03:39 PM |
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Oh ok. Funny how I understood Adrius & Tsar but not Ohfy lol.
That seems reasonable.
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OhforfSake
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posted January 27, 2012 03:50 PM |
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Funny how I understood Adrius & Tsar but not Ohfy lol.
Considering the past, I'm not that surprised.
Anyway, I don't say it's your fault. I have re-read what I wrote and I see I don't actually explicit say what kind of change I imagine, only implicit through the description of what I think would be a good idea to avoid.
As such it's mainly a failure on my part, a lack of ability to formulate myself precise and clear.
Though you also have a partial responsibility on the matter since you made a lot of assumptions, like it has happened in the past, which regarded my personal motives more than the actual text. Assumptions such as I were interested in votes or that I were even interested in any kind of reply from anyone else than a tavern mod.
So all in all, I think we both, as in you and me, acu, could learn from this. Though I would not be surprised if neither of us learns anything regarding this unfortunate and unnecessary "circus" we seem to repeat.
I'm still anticipating a reply from a tavern mod, btw.
I guess a reply was too much to expect.
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Aculias
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posted January 30, 2012 08:24 PM |
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Are we still on this 
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posted January 30, 2012 08:39 PM |
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The issue has been taken care of. Duke is Mentat, all questions answered.
I, for one, believe the ModSquad was right to discuss with members. That would allow the members to give input, making a stronger community.
I also will call duke falcon Mentat of a Troll forever on.
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Mytical
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posted January 31, 2012 01:05 AM |
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OhforfSake I realize I have not been here much and not keeping up with things..so please refresh my memory on what a tavern moderator is supposed to reply to?
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OhforfSake
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posted January 31, 2012 01:50 PM |
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If I may, then I suggest changing the thread title and/or the initial post of Duke's thread.
I'm considering that new users who're not aware of the dilemma who might happen to read the thread through various different paths and therefore goes through an emotional rollercoaster just to in the end find out (or when they might try to reply) that the thread has been closed and it was all (maybe) fake.
With change I mean adding a short and highlighted text which explains the believed thread problematic.
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Lexxan
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posted January 31, 2012 02:16 PM |
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OhforfSake I realize I have not been here much and not keeping up with things..so please refresh my memory on what a tavern moderator is supposed to reply to?
spoiler: he wants a qp for his page-long ramblings.
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posted January 31, 2012 02:20 PM |
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Many people say same thing. Then when Valeryi made the april joke and removed all qp, it was a storm all inside. Almost everyone went nuts. Remember father?
That thread should be stickied, is still around?
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Lexxan
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posted January 31, 2012 03:49 PM |
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lol sure as HELL I remember that. I'm pretty certain everyone else present at the time does too.
And it wasn't at all funny. The internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS and QPs are no exception. Nah! 
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Aculias
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posted January 31, 2012 05:07 PM |
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That was pretty funny & to everyone who took it that serious makes it more funnier lol.
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posted January 31, 2012 11:46 PM |
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It's funny looking back on it, but not funny at the time.
(and I'd know because I was part of something similar on a different forum.)
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