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posted August 18, 2012 08:54 AM |
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Hmm, not everybody [...] has as much time as Jews for people.
What do you have time for? What's more important to you than people?
About Jews on this forum not posting the enticement news, first of all to be fair it wasn't the Jews that started the talk about terrorism on this forum. I just responded to what others began saying against Israel. You want to talk about the death of Iranian scientists? Let's talk about the death of Iranian scientists. Mossad is indeed a government agency, however, there is no proof that it carried out any of the assassinations in Iran. Now, you might say that it is clear to everyone who is behind that, to which I would retort that in Israel it is clear to everyone who is behind the bus bombing in Bulgaria. The thing is, Israel may "scream" that Iran is to blame and that some action should be taken, but unlike some other people, it does not take any action without proof of guilt.
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posted August 18, 2012 11:04 AM |
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Oh you see, but it DOES. Iran & Nukes is such a topic.
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posted August 18, 2012 05:02 PM |
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Explain please. What legal action does Israel take against Iran?
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posted August 18, 2012 09:27 PM |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_sanctions
Read.
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posted August 18, 2012 09:43 PM |
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No thanks, I don't accept references as viable arguments. If you have a point, I would ask you to say it yourself instead of sending me to look for it in a wiki article.
Oh, just for the fun of it, I searched the article for the word "Israel" and the only instance of it that was there had nothing to do with using the sanctions on Iran.
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posted August 18, 2012 10:42 PM |
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So who has a lot of the US reins? Jews.
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posted August 19, 2012 04:10 PM |
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Edited by smithey at 18:02, 19 Aug 2012.
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EDIT: God has commanded to conquer Palestine, later God rejects Israel. Jews bought many Palestine land lots, etc. If Iran attacked, it is not the end marker. Bible prophecy the end of Babylon. One of the left and right religion, and others continue to attack the right religious groups.
Painted in green is a region called Palestine, it was never a palestinian country, it was under ottoman empire before Britts and jews... USA/Australia/almost every other country around the globe was not under its current "owner"...
Iran is dangerous, not coz Iran is dangerous but coz its leader is a fanatic, when a leader says "Im willing to sacrifice millions of muslims to wipe Israel out" then it means he's got issues, I dont think someone like that should have a nuke, and I dont even get what you all even talking about, if Iran nukes Israel, Israel will nuke Iran and we have a nuclear war on our hands which means the entire world is snowed..
And the whole genocide - palestine connection is snowing ridiculous, over the past 60 years less than 50k palestinians were killed, again 50k !!!! over the past 5 years 500k Africans were killed in Darfur, you do the math yourself, however I dont hear about any muslims going all crazy in France/UK/USA/pick a country about the genocide of African muslims, and we're talkin about rape camps, and thousands killed daily !!!! Nobody gives a damn about black muslims, but hey if a few palestinians die everybody in the world is talking about it...
Does Israel mess up a lot ? Hell yes it does, I have many issues with how they take care of things but lets all take things in some perspective, Russia kills 200k people in less than a month and nobody aint saying a damn thing, I mean come on, Israel is the most dangerous country in the world ? you really that scared of Israel ? a small ass country with 7mil people... give me a break...
Conflicts are messy and complicated, it is the universal truth for all conflicts, everywhere, Israel makes a lot of mistakes but before you go all high and mighty why dont you figure out a proper solution for the conflict, one that will actually not involve kicking palestinians or Israelis into the sea, and let us hear about it, if you have none, stop talkin out of your asses coz lets face it you keep talking about the so called "western" propaganda when in fact you are extremely biased with another form of propaganda yourselves....
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posted August 19, 2012 04:16 PM |
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@del_diablo I would appreciate it if you stopped making unsupported and frankly racist accusations. It is important to distinguish between Jews and Israelis/Zionists.
Whether Iran is developing nuclear weapons or not, there is insufficient evidence to say either way. However, Ahmadinejad's recent comments certainly aren't helping sway me to the idea that Iran's nuclear technology is for peaceful purposes.
The only solution I see at the moment is a two-state one. What forms that takes, who knows. Although I see it as unlikely whilst Hamas is still in power in Gaza. With the Palestinians divided in two different factions (one party widely considered a terrorist organization,) each with separate a agenda, the prospects are not looking good.
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posted August 19, 2012 05:40 PM |
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Israel makes a lot of mistakes but before you go all high and mighty why dont you figure out a proper solution for the conflict
Thank you for that bit, smithey. Really, from the bottom of my heart, thank you.
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posted August 19, 2012 05:52 PM |
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Heh Smithey, the solution is stopping colonization and giving back all land acquired in war, but everyone in the area suddenly becomes deaf when talking about this. So stop telling there is no solution, there is one and only one, Israel must back off prior to talk because is grabbing too much.
Why Israel should keep that land, did USSR and US keep parts of Germany after ww2?
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posted August 19, 2012 06:00 PM |
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Heh Smithey, the solution is stopping colonization and giving back all land acquired in war, but everyone in the area suddenly becomes deaf when talking about this. So stop telling there is no solution, there is one and only one, Israel must back off prior to talk because is grabbing too much.
Why Israel should keep that land, did USSR and US keep parts of Germany after ww2?
You're not providing a solution, you're preaching in slogans that have zero to no meaning, what is the solution right now ? Thats what was asked here, Is your solution to send all the jews back to Germany/Poland/Russia/Morocco ? Is that considered a proper solution in your eyes ? Are we sending Australians and Americans back to UK ?
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posted August 19, 2012 06:10 PM |
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Isn't the very establishment of Israel the giving back of war gains?
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Are we sending Australians and Americans back to UK?
Couldn't hurt to try. 
The first thing to do when trying to find a solution to a conflict, is to find the "problem".
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posted August 19, 2012 06:44 PM |
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Edited by Ghost at 18:47, 19 Aug 2012.
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Not an end. Jews believe in the promised land. Means paradise.
EDIT: Continues to enlarge! You do not expect that it would end in 2050.
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posted August 19, 2012 06:52 PM |
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Well, they may look "slogans" in your eyes but is simply what every civilized country on earth told Israel to do through useless resolutions, while he does not listen. Even Obama asked the return to old borders, which means much.
In fact there is hypocrisy all along: jews keep saying they are willing peace while doing all to kill the process. I don't know why you feel other people should sympathize with Israel, I see not a single country except US agreeing with its behavior. And by your logic, Israel also should not be a state neither. Palestine wasn't a country, Israel neither. So why one ok and the other not ok?
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posted August 19, 2012 06:56 PM |
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Why do you say that Israel is one killing the peace process? Netanyahu already agreed to a two state solution. Years ago. He also uses every opportunity he has to invite Mahmoud Abbas to negotiate. So, why is Israel the one standing in the way of what you're saying?
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posted August 19, 2012 06:57 PM |
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posted August 19, 2012 07:23 PM |
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Well, they may look "slogans" in your eyes but is simply what every civilized country on earth told Israel to do through useless resolutions, while he does not listen. Even Obama asked the return to old borders, which means much.
In fact there is hypocrisy all along: jews keep saying they are willing peace while doing all to kill the process. I don't know why you feel other people should sympathize with Israel, I see not a single country except US agreeing with its behavior. And by your logic, Israel also should not be a state neither. Palestine wasn't a country, Israel neither. So why one ok and the other not ok?
I've already told you, give me a solution that can work in a logical manner, not some magic genie in a bottle solution, logical solution..
Facts as of now are,
1. Israel is a small country
2. 6-7mil jews
3. 1mil palestinians
Your solution is to split the pie (Israel) in a manner in which 1mil palestinians get 60% of the territory and 6-7mil are left with 40% of the territory ? Is it a logical solution in your eyes ?
Forget about the whole colonization BS for a sec or what you think is fair or not, what do we do with 3-4mil jews who no longer have homes ? who will take them ? Germany ? France ? USA ? Palestine ? How do you give away cities anyhow ?
As I have said, give me a proper solution if you're so damn smart, what you're saying is excuse my French simply dumb, coz it solves nothing, you're like, give them back the territory on which you have cities, and where you have lived for 50 years... come on now, use some common sense 
Ps- Not telling you nor anyone else to sympathize with Israel, why would I its your choice to think whatever, you can hate jews/muslims/christians its none of my business, But you should avoid using "hypocrisy" in a sentence, if you're so called sympathizing with palestinians and at the same time hating on muslims more than any other member on this forum....just saying it makes no sense...
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posted August 19, 2012 07:25 PM |
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Again, Israel is not only ready to stop it, it wants to especially if it brings peace. But one sided decisions, from any side, will not bring to a real solution. A dialogue is necessary and I don't think that Israel is one stopping it.
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posted August 19, 2012 07:30 PM |
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@Smithey, if you actually read the topic, you'll see some suggestions for a resolution. Of course nobody here is going to resolve the problem with a magic wand but like I said previously - everybody who just cries "it's not that simple" and says nothing essential is just as useless as the people who are discussing the thing for the sake of discussion. If you just want to pose, you already did it.
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posted August 19, 2012 08:03 PM |
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Smithey, frankly I don't get what you are trying to say. All we know is that since 1955 there are 65+ condemn resolutions by UN targeting Israel, each one implying Israel is opposed to peace process. UN represents a lot of independent countries, thus everyone who will give the anti-semitic (again) argument is laughable. It may sound to you dumb to give back territories but this is how peace works. You can 't grab someone's house then genuinely ask "can we be friends".
My personal belief is that Israel does not want peace. It manipulates the retarded arabs, getting them at the point where they offer constantly more pretexts to grab even more land. Within belief that Allah will solve everything, they simply do not get in their buried brain that they have to rally politically other countries to their cause instead of launching home made rockets against Israel bushes.
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