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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 18, 2012 08:05 PM |
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and minotaur are elites!
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Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
sovereign.
- John Stuart Mill
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted December 18, 2012 08:05 PM |
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It's OK war some people just do not read what was posted befor :-)
But Vindicator gave me a cool idea in a different topic. That would really make this faction unique
What if the Female magic heroes were based on the Shadow sorceress artwork, and the male were actually Faceless
I know it is extremly unlikely, but it would be cool.
We never had official info that the faceless is a unit, and the second form could aswell be a Blood/tear reputation form :-P.
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I'm just a Mirror of your self.
We see, we look, we gather, we store, we teach.
We are many, and you can be one of us.
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foxxxer
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted December 18, 2012 08:08 PM |
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As I keep telling you people. That is a Shadow Sorcerer. Those are heroes.
It looks more like a sorceress than a sorcerer to me 
You keep telling according to Compendium or what?
If it's according to Compendium then pops up the question: will we have whole hero class consisting only females?
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted December 18, 2012 08:19 PM |
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Yeah, that is according to the Compendium. And when one refers to a group that consists of both sexes, the group uses the male conjugation.
Besides, so far, we've never conjugated a hero's title according to their gender. We've always called a female shaman a shaman, not a shamaness. We've not called a female monk a nun. We've not called a female knight a knightess. Why start now.
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Vote El Presidente! Or Else!
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted December 18, 2012 08:41 PM |
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And Foxxxer
It's also according to the official franchise website www.mightandmagic.com .
Look at it, under factions, Dungeon, iconic hero.
You used the artwork from the page directly.
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I'm just a Mirror of your self.
We see, we look, we gather, we store, we teach.
We are many, and you can be one of us.
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Anna
Adventuring Hero
Dazzling Light Incarnation
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posted December 19, 2012 12:47 AM |
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Edited by Anna at 00:48, 19 Dec 2012.
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So I guess this is the core – Minotaur, Stalker and Lurker?
What is the Stalker? I don't recall seeing art on such unit.
For me "2 dark elves + 5 monsters" means:
1. Blood Maiden
2. ... (2nd elf probably)
3. Lurker
4. Minotaur
5. Manticore
6. ... (4th monster probably)
7. Faceless
But what could 2 and 6 be?
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Miru
Supreme Hero
A leaf in the river of time
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posted December 19, 2012 03:48 AM |
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I don't like this tentacle thing. It better not be replacing hydra, you certainly couldn't have this, a hydra, and beholders.
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I wish I were employed by a stupendous paragraph, with capitalized English words and expressions.
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Vindicator
Supreme Hero
Right Back Extraordinaire
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posted December 19, 2012 04:04 AM |
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I don't like this tentacle thing. It better not be replacing hydra, you certainly couldn't have this, a hydra, and beholders.
Seems like this is the beholder to me...
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted December 19, 2012 05:27 AM |
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So I guess this is the core – Minotaur, Stalker and Lurker?
What is the Stalker? I don't recall seeing art on such unit.
For me "2 dark elves + 5 monsters" means:
1. Blood Maiden
2. ... (2nd elf probably)
3. Lurker
4. Minotaur
5. Manticore
6. ... (4th monster probably)
7. Faceless
But what could 2 and 6 be?
The stalker is the blood maiden. The only truly unknown unit is the 2nd elf (who will probably be a crosbowman anyway). That and how will the black dragon be integrated
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted December 19, 2012 09:40 AM |
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I don't like this tentacle thing. It better not be replacing hydra, you certainly couldn't have this, a hydra, and beholders.
Seems like this is the beholder to me...
Beholder! definitely!
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Anna
Adventuring Hero
Dazzling Light Incarnation
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posted December 19, 2012 10:24 AM |
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The stalker is the blood maiden. The only truly unknown unit is the 2nd elf (who will probably be a crosbowman anyway). That and how will the black dragon be integrated
I don't think the black dragon will make it to the unit roster. None of the other races have dragon champions so I don't expect one from Dungeon either. Besides the faceless would make better champions as they should be relatively equal (in terms of power) to Haven's Seraphs. That means that we are missing 1 core or elite monster.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted December 19, 2012 11:14 AM |
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What if the Female magic heroes were based on the Shadow sorceress artwork, and the male were actually Faceless
But if they were faceless they would not have urm... faces So all hire-able heroes would have the same portraits...
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted December 19, 2012 11:29 AM |
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The stalker is the blood maiden. The only truly unknown unit is the 2nd elf (who will probably be a crosbowman anyway). That and how will the black dragon be integrated
I don't think the black dragon will make it to the unit roster. None of the other races have dragon champions so I don't expect one from Dungeon either. Besides the faceless would make better champions as they should be relatively equal (in terms of power) to Haven's Seraphs. That means that we are missing 1 core or elite monster.
Sanctuary has Kirins as champions.
which is a "wingless" dragon!
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted December 19, 2012 12:12 PM |
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Sanctuary has Kirins as champions.
which is a "wingless" dragon!
Wrong.. it may look like what we europiens imagine under a chinies dragon but the creature it self has its own myth.
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I'm just a Mirror of your self.
We see, we look, we gather, we store, we teach.
We are many, and you can be one of us.
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SepSpring
Known Hero
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posted December 19, 2012 12:26 PM |
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Sanctuary has Kirins as champions.
which is a "wingless" dragon!
But originally they are mythical Japanese unicorns. Kirins from "Heroes VI" also have a horn. And its body is stylized in such way in order to make it closer to the eastern culture and water environment.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted December 19, 2012 01:41 PM |
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ok my bad!
Kirins are not dragons (even though they look alike, at least for me)
but HoMM game without dragons seems just a "little strange" for me!
i know they are now bosses, (even Gods), but u cant even play them.. thats a pity
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted December 19, 2012 03:15 PM |
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Nobody said Eruina was an only child.
No, but I'm pretty sure that Raelag is not her kid
Edit: Oh, i've been reading some stuff. Yeah Raelag was probably something like the H6 inferno heroes, not proper demons. So yeah it could be
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The stalker is the blood maiden. The only truly unknown unit is the 2nd elf (who will probably be a crosbowman anyway). That and how will the black dragon be integrated
I don't think the black dragon will make it to the unit roster. None of the other races have dragon champions so I don't expect one from Dungeon either. Besides the faceless would make better champions as they should be relatively equal (in terms of power) to Haven's Seraphs. That means that we are missing 1 core or elite monster.
Since they said that "there wouldn't be dungeon without black dragons" and that they can make a unit that is a black dragon in all but name.
Besides, unless that's the grail building or general decoration, the two Dungeon town concepts we have seen have a Dragon Spire-like building
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GunFred
Supreme Hero
Sexy Manticore
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posted December 19, 2012 07:23 PM |
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I know that Black Dragons have a huge fanbase here but I really do not want them in Dungeon. Hydras would make perfect dungeon champions and I do not want Faceless in the Dungeon line up because the dark elves already got elves and dwarves as nemesises. The light vs darkness battle should stay between the faceless and angels. Not between humans and dark elves. Also, Celestials are only minor angels at best right? So dungeon can not have true faceless without being OP or faceless suck compared to angels.
I do admit that there is a serious lack of dragons though. But I want my dragons to be divided among the elements or of a neutral element. It would make sense for dragons to be OP neutral creatures with like 1000 HP while not being bosses. But for one or two factions to have monopoly on dragons makes no sense when all the gods are dragons themselves.
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Anna
Adventuring Hero
Dazzling Light Incarnation
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posted December 19, 2012 09:17 PM |
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I do admit that there is a serious lack of dragons though. But I want my dragons to be divided among the elements or of a neutral element. It would make sense for dragons to be OP neutral creatures with like 1000 HP while not being bosses. But for one or two factions to have monopoly on dragons makes no sense when all the gods are dragons themselves.
One way to include them and at the same time avoid them being overpowered balancing their power to that of the other champions is to get in some lesser version of what we imagine a dragon can be. For Dungeon that would be a black dragon-like creature we can call black drake, or black wyvern... There you have it, it looks like a dragon (even if a bit smaller), has a bad breath much like a dragon, descends from Malassa... All happy 
Still I'd get the faceless, cause I consider them to be a more original concept than dragons.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted December 19, 2012 09:33 PM |
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What I would really like to see in an "Ashan" Heroes game are the Dragon Gods themselves. Those could at least make an appearance (I really like their concept art), and it would be even better if they would be bosses, or even as playable units (like the Pit Lord Boss)! Or they could make recruit-able version of them (avatars or something like that) as neutral units (kinda like Azure etc in Heroes 3). This would be like killing two birds with one stone: fans would get their dragons, and other people who don't like the concept of dragons in city unit line-ups would also be happy.
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