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posted July 07, 2016 05:19 PM |
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lol at alien-like arguments. Of course Clinton doesn't need this money, is the Saudis who need to give it to Clinton.
Of course Saudis bribe every one and I am not even shocked by that, this is business and influence XXI century style.
But when you genuinely claim "Trump  Hillary  " and we speak here about US presidency, which can also translate as "how will next US politics in middle east look alike", I don't think is a minor detail that Saudis put in one of the candidates billions of dollars.
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posted July 07, 2016 05:26 PM |
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She just branded Saudi Arabia and Quatar as countries who fund terrosrism. Officially, in a speech.
Salamandre, I have no idea why you insist on this biassed bullcrap withch-hunt nonsense. It's in stark contrast to facts, as opposedto all allegations, presumptions, claims and nonsense brought up for very specific reasons by political opponents.
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posted July 07, 2016 05:31 PM |
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Because IS Hillar branding the tolerance hammer. It's Hillary who finger points at Trump for Racism. When you wear white clothes, don't put a black hat if you want to look angel alike.
I mean previous post or so uses "charity and Saudi Arabia" in same sentence, are you serious? Do you know how is life in Saudi Arabia?
This is Hitler funding Wiesenthal foundation.
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It is still live. Comey has made a pretty fair attempt at making their decision not to prosecute, impartial. The members of this committee often times display professionalism and capable minds.. I am surprised.
Hilary is not off the hook but will probably not be charged criminally. Comey said basically that this level of carelessness should result in some disciplinary action ranging between suspension, to losing clearance, to losing office, no matter who they are. No double standards there.
It has also been made entirely clear that Hillary lied publicly for over a year about this, on a number of occasions and about different aspects in the email situation. Not even the democrats fully endorseing her contest that stone fact.
This email situation is not the only situation she is facing either.
(side note: her server was less secure than a gmail account)
(side note: they are now making it clear that she lied under oath during the bengazi case. Three times.)
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Hillary is on camera lying under oath to Congress. Three times. FBI said they did not investigate that because nobody asked them to. Congress has now asked them to.
But she won't be charged. She was not charged for mishandling classified material even though she clearly had criminal intent. If anyone does not believe criminal intent they have to believe she was grossly negligent or a moron. The FBI directly basically said she is a moron. "Not as sophisticated as some people believe" he said.
The fix is in.
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posted July 07, 2016 10:43 PM |
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Old people aren't in touch with technology. Clinton's an old great grandma pretty much.
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posted July 08, 2016 03:52 AM |
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Ebonheart said:
And what if it would be true? That foul play has been done and for example bribes passed between hands, what would your opinion be then?
That there would be a stronger case for charges.
But if you do want bluntness: this is all immaterial. A grandma that screwed up with emails isn't a security threat in the way Trump is simply for believing what he does. Elodin or Celfious could be absolutely right about everything and I'd still find her far less hazardous. An anti-free trade, antagonizing president will get people killed: American soldiers, civilians, foreigners.
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posted July 08, 2016 05:45 AM |
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I have a good job. I have access to questionable foods that are potentially healthy in at least most ways, I can wash my hands in water probably more than 95% sanitary.
I question many things from the need to consume fluoride into our blood stream to protect our enamel, to the umbrella of blame laid upon whites, Muslims / (Middle Easterns), and Americans as a whole.. If I were selfish I could smell the flowers on a dew frosted morning, feed the birds and care less about the fracking and wars. Take advantage of this land of opportunity many others in the world do not have without a second thought.
While I pretty much give up for reasons not again mentioned, I still care. But I will be finishing out a degree in water resources. Pretty sure in 10 years a lot more will be studying that, but by then I will ahve the experience. And I want to help the environment so win / win kind of.
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posted July 08, 2016 05:46 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
That there would be a stronger case for charges.
But if you do want bluntness: this is all immaterial. A grandma that screwed up with emails isn't a security threat in the way Trump is simply for believing what he does. Elodin or Celfious could be absolutely right about everything and I'd still find her far less hazardous. An anti-free trade, antagonizing president will get people killed: American soldiers, civilians, foreigners.
With all due respect BB, you have no idea what Trump will actually do or say once he sits there and you have nothing that can prove he will do something just because he says so, but you know exactly what Hillary will do. I say, until I actually see what Trump does id say he should have his chance. After all he is one of the few politicians realising the real problems with immigration, unemployment and debt.
Hillary on the other has been in the office for many years and done next to nothing of what she promised, some promises were even ignored and the opposite done. She has shown she cannot live up to what she promises and most importantly, that she's not the one in charge but rather some shady cabal of lobbyists that you place your trust in by voting for her.
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posted July 08, 2016 07:31 AM |
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you have no idea what Trump will actually do or say once he sits there and you have nothing that can prove he will do something just because he says so
A very strange way to defend someone!
But BB is right, Trump is unacceptable on a very different level than Hillary Clinton even if she used unsecured e-mail. I'm really having a hard time understanding people here, doing the "both candidates are very bad, of course" introduction out of common courtesy, and then entering post after post defending, excusing or normalizing Trump. If sentiments of anti-immigration clouds your judgement this much, that you put yourself in a pro-Trump position even tactically, then both U.S. and Europe are having real identity crisis indeed but one about the identity of the locals, not the immigrants.
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posted July 08, 2016 08:08 AM |
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Actually, the worst thing to say for a politician. And, yeah, BB got the gist of it. If you can chose between a crook and an uncalculable egomaniac with delusions of grandeur for the job of most powerful executive politician in the world, you pick the crook. Easy one.
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posted July 08, 2016 08:41 AM |
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it'd be so much easier, if no one at all voted. i really, REALLY would like to see solidarity, in something like this.
the american people need to forget all the things that seperate one another, and join together as one; just to defeat this snowing STILLBIRTH of an election. NEITHER of these candidates should have EVER made it as far as they have. NONE of them, in fact.
but then, based on the common human being, NOBODY should be "in charge"(even as just a puppet). it's bad enough having this many idiots on the planet, without having any of these rotten mothersnowers IN CHARGE of anything. 
i keep saying that i have no hope for humanity, but i've surpassed even that. how is it possible to surpass 0, and have NEGATIVE hope? 
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posted July 08, 2016 09:01 AM |
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artu said:
A very strange way to defend someone!
If it's strange for you to not judge someone before they have tested, then I really wonder how the culture in Turkey works Artu. = /
artu said:
But BB is right, Trump is unacceptable on a very different level than Hillary Clinton even if she used unsecured e-mail.
What makes Trump so unacceptable I wonder?
artu said:
I'm really having a hard time understanding people here, doing the "both candidates are very bad, of course" introduction out of common courtesy, and then entering post after post defending, excusing or normalizing Trump.
The same can be said for Hillary and at least on my part, I do believe that none of them are "President material" but the fact remains that these are the two candidates to choose from.
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If sentiments of anti-immigration clouds your judgement this much, that you put yourself in a pro-Trump position even tactically, then both U.S. and Europe are having real identity crisis indeed but one about the identity of the locals, not the immigrants.
Artu, it is difficult to explain this because it's something that needs to be experienced. I can bring up horrific examples from Sweden that are the results of our immigration policy, but then I will do so in private with you because some of these examples are so heartcutting I do not believe they have a place on the forums (and I tend to be a very solid freespeaker).
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posted July 08, 2016 09:54 AM |
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If it's strange for you to not judge someone before they have tested, then I really wonder how the culture in Turkey works Artu. = /
That's not what you did, saying "you have nothing that can prove he will do something just because he says so" isn't to be not prejudiced against someone until they are tested, it's literally saying that their word means nothing and they can't be trusted about what they promise. You test someone by expecting them to KEEP the promise, not the other way around, it's a pretty basic concept in every culture!
Speaking of... Not every disagreement is cultural you know, just the other day I've read you in a H3 thread "wondering if it's a cultural difference" because you didn't agree with someone about Dungeon being better than some other town. Lol. You see, it is your own mindset that ties everything to cultural difference, JJ is from Germany and he also said something similar about your comment, why don't you dig for any cultural difference there?
What makes Trump so bad (and much worse than Hillary) had been repeatedly explained in this thread and others, by many people including myself. If you don't see it, you don't see it.
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posted July 08, 2016 09:58 AM |
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What makes Trump so unacceptable I wonder?
He's a populist of the worst kind, playing with fears and offering ridiculous solutions which he's unlikely to even implement (not that he'll achieve something positive if he does). His level of ignorance seems to rival that of Bush Junior - which is quite an achievement really - and his focus is on antagonising certain social groups rather than seeking to resolve the issues with them. People like him are great at dividing the society and if he's elected that will send a dangerous message to the groups he's speaking against.
That said, the "lesser evil" logic does not apply here and auto-sellecting Hillary just because Trump is terrible would only be a proof that the US political system is utterly ****ed up and what's more, that people are actually content with that.
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posted July 08, 2016 10:26 AM |
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And as I said, there are two more candidates to choose from, if the main parties offer unacceptable choices.
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posted July 08, 2016 10:27 AM |
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Btw, we know it's not gonna happen but what does happen if no one votes at all? What is the law on that?
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posted July 08, 2016 10:54 AM |
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Ebonheart said:
Artu, it is difficult to explain this because it's something that needs to be experienced.
Bingo. Tired a bit about artu from Turkey, constant lesson giver to millions of voters from thousands of miles away. Brexit, far right meteoric ascension, Trump phenomenon, you denounce each while ignoring that all three are the connecting dots of the same pain and distress: people, all around the world, are waking up and realize they CAN actually uncrown the long time destructive, arrogant, contemptuous and dominant class. They realize that, when united, their voices, for once, they matter and can make a difference, despite all daily hammered righteous prognostics and litanies. Is about rejecting the long time liars who undoubtedly proved they can't be trusted and that they have no solution to common life problems, but instead they keep and will always keep enriching the same oligarchs then themselves. Is not about Trump over Hillary, or UK over Europe, or national identity over diversity, is about retrieving the freedom of OWN choice, long time denied and misguided, is about rejecting the scornful media dogmatic influence and constant brain wash, is about showing them that a boiling point has been reached and that bubbles will hurt them at first. We face an unprecedented challenge, where the long time accumulated pressure can only release or explode, it will not anymore remain at acceptable levels. The traditional parties must definitely and radically change their approach and proposed solutions, or they will not survive this time.
If you didn't live in EU or US, the last 15-20 years -and observed everything that made their greatness gradually and inexorably fade away, then no, you can't get it as the unprecedented historical phenomenon it represents. You were shocked they call Brexit "Independence day", you are clearly out of touch. This time, to understand, one must live it.
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posted July 08, 2016 11:20 AM |
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Nice rhetoric Sal, someone listening to you may get the impression that a communist revolution is just about to take place. However, I don't think it's only artu from Turkey "teaching lessons" who's not so enthusiastic about Brexit or Trump, (just like it isn't only Sal from France teaching BB from US why Trump triumphs), but many of the local millions who vote against them as well. Or you know, it was actually a man of English origin who was laughing his ass off about the "independence day" analogy on Brexit.
And the part about the oligarchs becomes especially rich when Trump himself is one of them, this kind of populism doesn't turn him into "a man of the people." So, it's really hard to process all of this as some kind of "good ol' simple people taking back their simple lives" situation. It would also be nice to remember that the dominating elite that you complain about votes for conservative Republicans in the U.S., not the liberal Democrats. I wonder why is that..
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posted July 08, 2016 11:20 AM |
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Bullcrap. It's about feeding fears, fears of a fast-changing society following economy in going global. With you, it's muslimphobia, also based on fear. With brexit, it's not muslim-phobia, but Eastern-Europe-EU-member-UK-mover-phobia - which incidentally is the thing in other Western EU countries as well, Eastern European gangs of car thieves, burglars, human trafficking for the sex business and so on.
But that is a problem of law enforcement agencies not working together properly,
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