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posted August 07, 2014 05:58 PM |
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Edited by artu at 18:00, 07 Aug 2014.
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Tsar said:
Perhaps nations/societies should be reduced to smaller independent communities where it's made up of people with whom you largely share your values.
There's no need for that since nobody forces a woman to be a feminist if she wants to lead a traditional way of life, you can not atomize society into little artificial communes according to every single disagreement. Who will decide which ones will live where, who will be willing to leave their hometown? Besides, those units will be absorbed by bigger ones. A constitution protecting everybody's elemental rights and functioning as a bond and umbrella is a much more practical and realistic solution.
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posted August 07, 2014 05:58 PM |
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Tsar-Ivor said:
Perhaps nations/societies should be reduced to smaller independent communities where it's made up of people with whom you largely share your values.
there'd be a lot more war that way, for sure. or at least, battles. 
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posted August 07, 2014 06:13 PM |
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Edited by smithey at 18:15, 07 Aug 2014.
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LOL, super hard LOL...
Emo, what planet are you living on bro ? Is It maybe an island ruled by Wonder woman ?
Every 20 seconds a woman gets raped in USA alone, chances are 50% of women in your life got sexually harassed during one period or another.
Avg men gets paid more
In top 500 there are maybe 2 female CEO's, maybe
If you have sex with 10 girls in a month you're a player
If a girl does the same she's a snow....
Women are not equals, not yet, as this is a Man's Man's Man's World !!!
I would never switch place with a woman, if you say you would, you're either a retard or a liar.
Current power rankings in the world as we know it, are
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Minority female
If you dont see it, you're blind or stuck under a rock somewhere, coz I cant recall the last time I've read so much nonsense in one thread (VW included)....
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posted August 07, 2014 06:55 PM |
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fred79 said:
Tsar-Ivor said:
Perhaps nations/societies should be reduced to smaller independent communities where it's made up of people with whom you largely share your values.
there'd be a lot more war that way, for sure. or at least, battles.
And the superior would prevail. Far more humane solution than corralling people of every creed, morals and religion under a single set of rules, and without their consent bind them to it under threat of punishment.
In the general direction of artu
And every little disagreement would be sorted out according to that "communes" set of laws, communes wouldn't necessarily be small, 50,000 capita would adequately provide a legitimate government. I am not a certified society planner, so you are gravely mistaken if you wish me to plan and present the intricacies of a broad murky idea. The prevailing fact is, our modern society is shambles, it has pitiful legitimacy, but prevails because it's so big and so entrenched most would rather ignore politics and live a life of an acceptable amount of comfort than pursue the dream of a perfect system. 65% turn-out for general election is enough to bring me to tears, evidence enough that people can't even be bothered to vote every 4 years, most prevailing reason given is that votes don't matter.
The point I was making is that women's role in modern society is poorly established/non existent, and this needs to be rectified.
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artu
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posted August 07, 2014 07:20 PM |
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Edited by artu at 19:22, 07 Aug 2014.
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First of all, there are no blocks of people who agree on every idea and value, the sociological variation of things is much more complicated, not all feminists or christians or liberals agree on everything and what a society should be. There are crossing paths. Nobody is forcing you into any religion or morality code, you are only expected not to force them on other individuals. In the case of feminism, you are expected not to impose your traditional patriarchy on women who dont want that sort of life, any woman who wishes to be a submissive houswife, still easily can.
It's not like you bind them under tyranny, you govern them by a common ground, if there is no more common ground at all anymore, societies divide anyway, it happens. And there are already tribes or mountain people etc etc who live by their own traditional set of rules, you dont have to fantasize about it. Their level of civilization is not something to dream about though, is it? What are they able to finance, what is their range of education and research? Even nation states unite under bigger structures nowadays.
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posted August 07, 2014 08:09 PM |
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posted August 08, 2014 12:54 PM |
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What planet are you living in artu? I've seen so many feminists shaming women NOT to become a housewife, but rather focus on her career.
There's a movement called "Women Against Feminism" and how did some feminists react? They mock them.
I've been bringing up anti feminist women to forums that has a lot of feminists and they have been very hostile to these women. One was a Jenna Marbles fan at first and I've given proof that Jenna Marbles despise feminism and then there was a change of heart. She called Jenna Marbles an idiot.
@smithey
Obviously, you haven't been reading this thread. You're probably a troll but in case you're not, let me enlighten you.
- pay gap has been debunked over and over again
- there is NO glass ceiling
- there are more male victims than females if you count prison rape
- men and women are both likely to suffer from domestic violence but there are a lot of women's shelter and none for men. Some people attempted to open a man's shelter but feminists stopped them
- a man who is a virgin is called loser while a woman is praised for it.
- a man only has one right a woman hasn't (and it's not even serious) while a woman has many rights a man hasn't (and yes, all of them are serious)
and so many more
- I can bring up how men paid their rights to vote with blood, while women's was handed to them on a silver platter
- men are disadvantaged in family courts
- a woman can easily file false rape allegations even without proof. She can ruin a man's life at her whim
- men are likely to be victims of murder
and so many more
I don't want to waste my time explaining these to a troll but if you prove that you're not or someone else wants me to explain a little further then I would gladly do so.
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posted August 08, 2014 01:22 PM |
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- I can bring up how men paid their rights to vote with blood, while women's was handed to them on a silver platter
- men are disadvantaged in family courts
Yeah here in England the courts heavily favor mothers, I mean mothers get the kids even if they're suicidal drug addicts, regardless if the father has the ability and the willingness to take custody. At times even when the woman is incapacitated from her drug use the family courts consider temporary adoption before allowing the capable willing father to care for them. (personal experience, had to be the guardian in the end, on three separate occasions, to avoid the kiddiwinks from going to foster care)
We do have a pressure group Fathers 4 Justice that was pretty popular a while ago, but seem to have lost some steam.
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Successive governments have deliberately removed the need for a father legally, emotionally and biologically through legislation. We now have a generation of socially engineered fatherless families. After the death penalty, the removal of children from their parents is the most draconian action the state can take.
The 1989 Children Act abolished “The rule of law that a father is the natural guardian of his legitimate child” and replaced the “archaic” concept of guardianship with a loosely defined collection of rights under “parental responsibility”. PR was awarded automatically to mothers, but fathers only acquired it dependent on their relationship with the mother.
Fathers have no legal right in law to see their children. The Government states that ‘it does not believe that a legal presumption to contact would be helpful’.
This position was reiterated again in 2001 by the Chairman of the Family Justice Review whose conclusion was that fathers have no rights and should have no rights. Family Justice Review, 2011.
Fathers only have a right to apply to a court to see their children after separation.
Fathers have been denied a legal presumption to ‘shared’ or ‘equal’ parenting which would ensure they had the same rights as mothers.
A father’s only legal responsibility is to provide financial support for their children, not emotional.
In 2008 The Labour Government introduced the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act which removed the ‘need for a father’ and changed it to the need for ‘supportive parenting’.
There is more legislation protecting animals, than there is protecting fathers.
93.1% of broken families are headed by a single mother (Office for National Statistics, 2012).
“How can any reasonable minded person really accept that over 90% of fathers are unfit to share in the parenting of their children?”
I can't verify all the legislation claims since I studied criminal and law of tort, but they seem sound and the claims seem consistent with my findings.
Just supporting JE's point with some evidence.
Here's the site in case you want a read, though as I said that what I've read seems sound, I still recommend you take what you read with a pinch of salt, it's a pressure group and exaggeration is known to be the bread and butter of their persuasive tactics. (then again they each vary)
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posted August 08, 2014 01:38 PM |
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Edited by artu at 14:25, 08 Aug 2014.
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So now, you imitate Smithey's reaction to you, against me, Jemo. How cute. My reply to Tsar was within the context of changing the regime and no, most feminists don't do that, only radical feminists shun housewives.
To prefer to live as a housewife and to start an organization called "Women against Feminism" is not analogous. One is about your own life and no one else's business while the other is a political strike, of course, they will strike back.
Also, maybe, it is you who doesn't read your own thread (oh wait, you declared that you don't and just breeze through) because Meroe already explained to you how infinitely moronic it is to bring prison-rape as a case against feminism when it is men raping men and they only do it because there are no women around to begin with, your draft argument had been ripped into pieces even just a page ago by DG, anecdotal cases of false accusations etc have nothing to do with the balance of power between genders, and the pay gap hasn't been debunked over and over, you are under the false impression that it had been because you fail to comprehend when an argument is debunked or not, you are incapable of making the distinction between a legit "debunk" and blatant logical fallacy.
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posted August 08, 2014 03:23 PM |
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Edited by smithey at 15:30, 08 Aug 2014.
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@JeremiahEmo
You're delusional or reading some anti feminist propaganda
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- pay gap has been debunked over and over again
I myself (while studying) did two papers on pay gaps and found this (statistically significant conclusion): white male earns more than minority male, who earns more than a white female who earns more than a minority female (In USA alone)
Here's a quick google search producing a link where you can literally check the gap in each and every state.
all states gap
Obviously, you're more than welcome to look scientific researches up on the subject as well, this is not news, never was
Here's the current list of female CEO's in top 500 companies
That's 24/500, should I do the math for you as well or is it a lost cause since 5% will probably sound equal in your brain ?
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Now, let me just point out the obvious, this is USA alone !!!
USA is not the world, entire western world isnt even one third of the entire human population, in China female babies still get the axe, in S.Africa "aids is still cured by raping a virgin", in most of the world, women are far from being equal to men, in some places they dont even have the right to vote..
Check the statistics, and let me know how many women are head of state in their countries (% wise), when you do so, keep in mind that there are more females in the world than males (right now). Im betting on world population (53% women, 47% men), heads of states (2% women, 98% men)...
Prove me wrong, and show me the equality
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there is NO glass ceiling
Sure thing, have a scientific research proving so ? statistic significance ? Enlighten us
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- there are more male victims than females if you count prison rape
Prison rapes ? Criminals represent one group, a small group of the population and an extremely violent one.
Are you seriously taking prisoners/criminals as a study group for the regular population ? LOL hard
Additional things:
1. Number wise indeed there are much less prison (male) rapes than regular (female) rapes outside the prison (in the "free world") as the prison population is aprox 0.007% of the population in the states (but numbers arent really your thing Im guessing)
2. Prison rape = male on male violence, free world rape = male on female violence, see the difference ?
Answer me this, are you scared you will get raped if you go to the local store at 2am ?
I'm not, I do it all the time, I take into consideration robbery but not rape. Women on the other hand do, no woman in her right mind would walk down the street alone after dark, coz that's their reality that possibility exists in their world always !!!
Heck I get pissed at my gf when she tells me she went for a run after dark...
I'm truly sorry for you, if you're living with the constant fear of being raped though..
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- men and women are both likely to suffer from domestic violence but there are a lot of women's shelter and none for men. Some people attempted to open a man's shelter but feminists stopped them
First of all, you are correct, both genders suffer from domestic violence, severity of the violence is different for genders as we (men) are much stronger pysically (I think you can agree with that).
Second of all, there are a lot of feminist groups, some of them radicals, to put them all in the same box is just silly, and I would gladly read about who stopped men's shelter from being opened, link ?
Last and not the least, let me say this again, on what planet are you living bro ? There are shelters for men, there is a help-line as well, what are you talking about ? Obviously, they still need work and the main focus is on women, but its not true that men cant get help with that topic..
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- a man who is a virgin is called loser while a woman is praised for it.
Are you even using the logical side of your brain or are words just coming out on their own ?
Newsflash bro, SEX IS FUN !!!!!!
If you're a guy and a virgin, society is calling you a loser, what does that mean ? ITS ENCOURAGING YOU TO HAVE SEX aka to have FUN !!! The msg doesnt register with you does it ?
If you're a girl and a virgin, society is praising you, what does that mean ? ITS ENCOURAGING YOU TO NOT HAVE SEX aka to NOT have FUN !!!
You think society is discriminating men by encouraging us to have fun while telling girls not to do so, by repressing them and convincing them fun is meant for guys and not girls ?
Interesting concept, your brain works in mysterious ways, how old are you bro ?
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- a man only has one right a woman hasn't (and it's not even serious) while a woman has many rights a man hasn't (and yes, all of them are serious)
Of course they do, due to biological differences, I wouldnt want to carry a child for 9 months, would you ?
Let me ask you this again, would you take all their "amazing" privilages/rights and change places with a woman, coz as a rational human being, I would never do that, nor would I change places with anyone who isnt a white man as I am.
and so many more
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- I can bring up how men paid their rights to vote with blood, while women's was handed to them on a silver platter
On a silver platter ? It was ? Like how we handed black people the right to vote, true true, way too easy, equality, silly concept
I must say its rather amusing, that in 2014 people think one must "earn through blood" their right to vote, as opposed to having one simply for being born.
Women have opposed us throughout history for way too long, heck, forcing us to bruise our clubs before carrying them to the caves, costing us 2 goats, teasing us into raping them, forcing us to burn them alive for witchcraft, and finally, tricking us into giving them the right to vote, we slipped up so bad, Im ashamed of being called a man, we are so weak....
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- men are disadvantaged in family courts
The only thing you've ever said that makes sense, job well done
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- a woman can easily file false rape allegations even without proof. She can ruin a man's life at her whim
True, but then again aren't vicious rumors enough to ruin ones reputation regardless of which gender is spreading them ?
BTW, you do realize that only 40% of the rapes get reported, that 10% of actual rapes make it to court and that only like 2% get convicted right ? Basically should you decide to rape a girl tomorrow, chances are you wont even get reported and even if you do chances of you being actually convicted are just 2%, rape is the safest crime you can commit man, as sad as it sounds...
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- men are likely to be victims of murder
True, but do you know why ?
1/10 convicts is a woman, so obviously if majority of violent offenders are males, rate of male victims will be much higher as most violence is male on male (gangs). Should you however check the stats of men murdered by women when compared to stats of women murdered by men, you would be shocked to discover that females are more likely to be victims.
Gang related homicide = male victims in 9.5/10 cases
Domestic/sex related homicide = female victim in 8/10 cases
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I don't want to waste my time explaining these to a troll but if you prove that you're not or someone else wants me to explain a little further then I would gladly do so.
Dude, you are the troll in here, you're not explaining anything but instead preaching, spitting your opinions which in 90% of the time are not even remotely close to the truth or the reality of the world we're living in.
Where are you from anyhow and have you ever travelled to anywhere ? Furthermore, do you ever have conversations with women that aren't radical feminists and do you ever bother actually listening to them or is your only interaction with them arguments based on your narrow minded pov ?
You sound bitter, like you hate women, and seriously bro, you have no reason to, I mean its kinda ironic coz the girls you dislike so much (feminists) are actually rather bitter coz of their "place" in the society.
White male is still on top, has been there since 15th century
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posted August 08, 2014 03:37 PM |
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artu said:
1. Pay gap has actually been debunked over and over again but I'd gladly debunk it again for you.
First of all, gender pay gap is computed by the average earnings of men and the average earnings of women. Nothing else. It doesn't include position, experience, how well a man or a woman is doing on a certain job, number of overtimes, number of time at work and so on.
Tell me, if worker A has more experience and works more than worker B, why on earth would you pay worker A the same salary as worker B?
Just for additional info, there's a law called the Equal Pay Act that prevents employers from paying men and women differently on the basis of discrimination.
2. I think Tsar has done a pretty good job in opposing your opinion on the draft. By the way, I was targeting America.
But anyway, since you put it that way, saying men were never oppressed based on being the disposable gender because some men weren't is like saying women were never oppressed based on domestic violence and rape because some women were born in a wealthy, loving family and had a loving husband. You know what I mean?
If women were clearcut, a sole oppressed gender like how I think you're implying it, then history would go like this: women were supposed to die in war and still not allowed to vote.
Historically, men and women were oppressed, just on different means. Men has more responsibility and gain benefits from it while women doesn't have that much responsibility while having less benefits.
And might I add, some feminists has always wanted women to have less responsibility (e.g. if both a man and a woman gets drunk and have sex, both willingly, only the man is responsible drunk rape).
Regarding Ancient Romans and Greeks paying the rights to vote with blood, I'm not gonna touch that because I'm not familiar with that part of their society but in America, that's the case.
Most men, those who are not wealthy enough paid their rights to vote with blood.
Yes, there are some men who didn't but that was the system at that time. Only the rich and powerful were allowed to vote. You can't say everything is cancelled out just because there are a few people who didn't.
3. Actually, regardless of what the reason is or who the perpetrators are, you still can't deny that more men get raped.
I don't get your logic. You are trying to undermine what these men has gone through because it was another man that raped them. Bottomline is, men still go through the same kind of trauma and experience a woman does. They're still being forced to have sex with someone they don't want to. We're looking at the victims, not the perpetrators.
4. Wait, are you saying that false rape accusations, and getting her way with minimal to no evidence is not a female privilege? Can you explain a little further?
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posted August 08, 2014 04:14 PM |
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Edited by artu at 01:18, 09 Aug 2014.
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1- Except the fact that, because of their gender women with same experience cant promote to higher paying positions. Just a tiny little gap in your equation. Of course, you reply to that by saying "well, maybe all the men in those situations are all smarter and really more successfull!" How realistic and insightful!
2- You present utter non-sense again. All Tsar said about the subject of draft was:
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Women weren't allowed to fight, and to vote, and to do a great many things because at the time it was an accepted conclusion that it wasn't a woman's place to do so, and women in the majority not only accepted it, but lived to uphold it and the morals on which it was based.
That is a social/historical observation and a correct one. In fact, it is an observation shared by feminists and that's what they react to! Most women of that period interiorized their position, that doesnt make it less oppressive, only proves how normative it was. Many slaves also interiorized their position and when asked if they would want to be free citizens, they replied no. Does that make slavery okay?
However, all of this has nothing to do with your argument of "men fought in wars to get the vote and women didn't, therefore, it was not discriminative for only men to vote" at all, that argument had been flushed down the toilet by so many posters, so many times, on so many levels, you keeping on bringing it up only proves that you are indeed a dedicated troll.
3- NO. Rape is a crime, feminist or not, nobody is denying that. But the probability of rape and how patriarchy relates it to women acting suggestive or unchaste, in other words, "asking for it" is another issue. So, males with criminal behavior raping EACH OTHER in prison does not relate to why feminism handles rape as a subject beyond criminal behavior.
4- A false accusation is a crime, not a privilege. A privilege is something that is handed out to you, not something you can get away with. Saying women can get away with false accusations of rape is like saying men can get away with robbery more because they can run faster! It has nothing to do with discrimination or normative inequality. Females are not excused if they falsely accuse someone of rape, if they get caught, they are punished for it.
Besides, even if all of the things above weren't true and you actually did have some valid point, would that change the bigger picture that world is basically very patriarchal, no! It would have only meant you were cherry-picking, but it seems you cant even manage to cherry-pick properly.
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posted August 08, 2014 04:24 PM |
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@smithey
Pay Gap
1. Yes and when you read for those factors it again destroys itself. If you read the report it states what people have said all along.
Here are lines from their own report which destroy their own claims.
Women are more likely than men to major in fields like education and the social sciences, which typically lead to lower-paying jobs.
Occupational factors also drive differences in pay. Although the choice of major is related to occupation, the relationship is not strict. For example, male engineering majors are more likely than their female counterparts to work as engineers after graduation. Women are more likely than men to work in business support and administrative
assistance occupations and as teachers, social services professionals, and nurses and other health care providers one year after college graduation. Men are more likely than women to work in business and management occupations, computer and physical science occupations, and as engineers. Jobs primarily held by men tend to pay
more than jobs primarily held by women.
Differences in the number of hours worked also affect earnings and contribute to the pay gap. One year out of college, women in full-time jobs reported working 43 hours per week on average, and men in full-time jobs reported working an average of 45 hours per week. Economic sector is another part of the equation. Men were more likely than women to work in higher-paying sectors of the economy.
Negotiating a salary can make a difference in earnings, and men are more likely than women to negotiate their salaries.
In one point they try to mitigate for people working the same number of hours but lack going into other factors such as time on the job, work experience and other factors about the individuals that might cause a difference in pay. Not all people have the same resumes and this is a factor that is commonly ignored. They only went after similar factors and didn't touch on the fact that different degrees from different schools can cause a pay gap if one school has provided good workers to a company. Did the men intern at the job while in college. I can take factors to the point of the color of clothing the person wore on the day they interviewed and it will still mean no difference.
as for the rest, I'm gonna address it later. My eyes hurt too much to continue since I've been on the computer for 4 hours straight. 
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posted August 08, 2014 05:40 PM |
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Edited by artu at 17:42, 08 Aug 2014.
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Did you even read the link?
The report controls for occupation, major, hours worked, parenthood, and many other factors to reveal that college-educated women working full time were paid an unexplained 7% less than their male counterparts were paid one year after graduation. To clarify, this analysis looks at men and women who have made the same educational and occupational choices and still finds a gap.
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The Senate is expected to vote on the Paycheck Fairness Act on or around Equal Pay Day. As Sleeman said, “I know that women alone cannot close the gender pay gap. We need policymakers to do their part.” And as their constituents, it’s our job to demand that they do so. Now is the time for our paychecks and our national policies to catch up to the 21st century. We’ll leave the Mad Men era to television.
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posted August 08, 2014 05:42 PM |
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Edited by smithey at 17:43, 08 Aug 2014.
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JeremiahEmo said:
@smithey
Pay Gap
1. Yes and when you read for those factors it again destroys itself. If you read the report it states what people have said all along.
Here are lines from their own report which destroy their own claims.
Women are more likely than men to major in fields like education and the social sciences, which typically lead to lower-paying jobs.
Occupational factors also drive differences in pay. Although the choice of major is related to occupation, the relationship is not strict. For example, male engineering majors are more likely than their female counterparts to work as engineers after graduation. Women are more likely than men to work in business support and administrative
assistance occupations and as teachers, social services professionals, and nurses and other health care providers one year after college graduation. Men are more likely than women to work in business and management occupations, computer and physical science occupations, and as engineers. Jobs primarily held by men tend to pay
more than jobs primarily held by women.
Differences in the number of hours worked also affect earnings and contribute to the pay gap. One year out of college, women in full-time jobs reported working 43 hours per week on average, and men in full-time jobs reported working an average of 45 hours per week. Economic sector is another part of the equation. Men were more likely than women to work in higher-paying sectors of the economy.
Negotiating a salary can make a difference in earnings, and men are more likely than women to negotiate their salaries.
In one point they try to mitigate for people working the same number of hours but lack going into other factors such as time on the job, work experience and other factors about the individuals that might cause a difference in pay. Not all people have the same resumes and this is a factor that is commonly ignored. They only went after similar factors and didn't touch on the fact that different degrees from different schools can cause a pay gap if one school has provided good workers to a company. Did the men intern at the job while in college. I can take factors to the point of the color of clothing the person wore on the day they interviewed and it will still mean no difference.
as for the rest, I'm gonna address it later. My eyes hurt too much to continue since I've been on the computer for 4 hours straight.
You're missing the points:
1. They still make less money than us, when holding our positions.
2. Concept of female oriented and male oriented jobs is the oppression I'm talking about.
Society as you know it, has been made by white males for white males, minorities and women had no say in it, they were considered ignorant and inferior, incapable of rational thinking (bold part is what was actually the state of mind and literally said in many books in the 15th century when "human rights" were first discussed).
Highly paid jobs are male oriented jobs, and not by mistake, that's what they were created to be by default, every child is born to think that a nanny (who is trusted with the thing we hold dearest - our children) is less important than some analyst running excel sheets all day long, as is the teacher who is supposed to educate our children or the nurse who can either save or kill us.
Top paying jobs are made for white males and only in the past 20 years, minorities and females are starting to enter them.
what you dont seem to understand is that had it been women who had the power when societies "were created" top paying jobs would probably be female oriented jobs, and the same rule applies to minorities if they were the ones doing the legislation.
As of today, top jobs are still held by mainly white males, as of today, legislation of laws is still done by that same group and as of today, equality for all still isnt present, we've done a long way towards it but we're still far from reaching equality.
Society teaches different things girls and boys, society and norms within it (which we find reasonable as we never knew anything else) were biased and pro white males from the get go as they were created by white males for white males aka the only type capable of thinking rationally.
Im not saying our society has it wrong, Im not saying our society would be better had someone other than a white male been its architect, but I am saying I am glad I was born a white male and I wouldnt change places with anyone, coz unlike you I understand its all catering to us.
And all the rights we're giving them still dont make them to be an attractive replacement.
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posted August 08, 2014 05:48 PM |
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These two seem to contradict Smithey, here you sound not in approval of the status quo:
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As of today, top jobs are still held by mainly white males, as of today, legislation of laws is still done by that same group and as of today, equality for all still isnt present, we've done a long way towards it but we're still far from reaching equality.
Here, you sound approving:
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I'm not saying our society has it wrong, I'm not saying our society would be better had someone other than a white male been its architect, but I am saying I am glad I was born a white male and I wouldnt change places with anyone, coz unlike you I understand its all catering to us.
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posted August 09, 2014 01:09 AM |
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BTW, you do realize that only 40% of the rapes get reported, that 10% of actual rapes make it to court and that only like 2% get convicted right ? Basically should you decide to rape a girl tomorrow, chances are you wont even get reported and even if you do chances of you being actually convicted are just 2%, rape is the safest crime you can commit man, as sad as it sounds...
We're a bit past this, but rape is very hard to prove in court (if it ever makes it that far) since it usually boils down one person's word against another, which is not enough to prove beyond all reasonable doubt. If the woman does not immediately report it, showers or bathes then most the evidence would be likely be lost, plus consent need not even be verbal or intended, (lol) so if a guy genuinely believes and has reasonable basis to assume consent (and truly believes so, even though you didn't) then the man would lack objective/subjective mens rea. (objective is the reasonable, subjective is what the man thought at the time) Only men can rape in the UK, as rape requires penetration, a woman on woman/man using a dildo for example would be something like sexual assault, (not sure what it would be, but defo not rape) but not rape I know that for certain, so if a woman ties you down and rides you then at best she is liable for false imprisonment, and sexual assault it seems as well.
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2- You present utter non-sense again. All Tsar said about the subject of draft was:
That quote you picked out wasn't about the draft! What the hell>?!
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Modern armies are more about strength of will, rather than strength of the arm, besides with enough training and determination a woman could reach the same combat efficiency as any man (albeit would require more time and energy to reach it). A good soldier is one who follows orders, (which is simple at hindsight, but incorporates every situation, a soldier doesn't have the full picture, s/he is a tool, a means to an end, one which is rarely disclosed, so has to lock up morality without a real justification) and not one that can punch the hardest.
Or so I've been led to believe.
This combined with what I've said in the conscription thread might be what you're looking for, idk. What I basically said that women need to train harder in order to reach the combat ability of their peers in the opposite gender, but I did note that "punching" the hardest, running the fastest isn't what soldiering is, it's following orders, and having the ability to carry out said orders.
Then again JE might be referring solely to the "Conscription" thread, that's the only place I've talked about the draft.
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posted August 09, 2014 01:21 AM |
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"Women weren't allowed to fight" was the only thing that can be related to why they weren't drafted, he said you made a point about the draft and I assumed it was this one, is there another post that you specifically talk about the the draft that I skipped?
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posted August 09, 2014 01:27 AM |
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Actually no, you're probably right that is what he was referring to.
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posted August 09, 2014 03:33 AM |
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These two seem to contradict Smithey, here you sound not in approval of the status quo:
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As of today, top jobs are still held by mainly white males, as of today, legislation of laws is still done by that same group and as of today, equality for all still isnt present, we've done a long way towards it but we're still far from reaching equality.
That sentence is just me stating the objective truth of most thinking men regarding the society we're a part of, some of them choose to deny/ignore it coz believing in the idea is much nicer than facing the cold reality.
It's not me inventing the wheel, it's just me stating what most people know is true, it's like racism, each and every one of us is racist to some extent however most of us wont admit it.
I'm racist to some extent yet at the same time I believe in equality of all people. As weird as it might sound to you, those two are not contradicting as one of them is a natural response to differences while the other one is a choice that derives from ones ideology.
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Here, you sound approving:
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I'm not saying our society has it wrong, I'm not saying our society would be better had someone other than a white male been its architect, but I am saying I am glad I was born a white male and I wouldnt change places with anyone, coz unlike you I understand its all catering to us.
That sentence is stating
1. Society I live in is the only one I'm familiar with, I can only speculate as to whether it is superior or inferior to the society we could of have been a part of, if minority/female were its architect.
2. Our society caters to white males, I am a white male, it would be hypocritical of me to say I'm not glad I am the same type which is supposed to be on top of the food chain.
TL DR - Our society hasnt reached "equality for all" status. Would things be better if it weren't white man's world ? I dont know, but as a white man I'd be lying if I were to say I'd gladly live in the alternative reality, especially since I understand human nature a little bit. Not contradicting things IMO
@Tsar, I think its indeed a sexual assault in most western countries as man is the one penetrating, it's her body that's being violated physically speaking. We need to get "excited" so we could perform, messed up part would be that they ignore the use of chemicals which help getting us "excited"
Dildo attack (not to be confused with shark attack) is probably considered nonconsensual sodomy or sexual battery...
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