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meroe
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posted August 11, 2014 05:26 PM |
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Edited by meroe at 17:53, 11 Aug 2014.
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Yeah you've ignored my post because you cannot counter anything to what I have said and posted. Such a cop out. Instead you just continue on with the broken record, going back to the same skewed misogynistic information, and trying so damn hard to make it appear that your words and one sided information is in any way credible.
Its sad it truly is. Yes, you only reply to Smithey, because you cannot hold a light to anyone else's proof and arguments. You only reply to Smithey until he loses patience and starts to show you up for the closed minded bigot you are.
I glossed over your post, because I really do not need to read it. I've seen your comments again and again. Same lines, same absurdly incorrect analogies.
No one can see your arguments Emo, because they don't correspond to facts or reality. All your arguments are is androcentric driven hatred. And unfortunately for you, you cannot see this.
'What do we think about some feminist phrases' Hahaha seriously this is the tactic? Some woman said this and that ..... what proves that all women think or say this. Holy moly ...... are you ..... are you omnipotent?? Can you read minds!!!!  You know what goes on in the worlds population of women and can say with absolute knowledge that a couple of feminist speak for the entire female population??? Oh my goodness.
Tut tut .... double standards Emo. Wasn't it you who claimed I was speaking for population of HC before ???? Hmmm. However, the point appears to be lost on you when it comes to you cherry picking a few quotes huh. Psst, you're not very good at this game are you.
I mean lets not get into a couple of hundred years of men undermining women with such comments as "they have smaller brains", "its a well know fact that they get hysterical", "women cannot be logical".
But sshh now already, this is getting so pathetic.
Adrius a radical feminist - and now who is name calling?? As for me, I am an Egalitarian and is Adrius. Just because he like Artu, JJ, Smithey and many others here have proven, that well balanced, educated and realistic men can understand, agree with and support the need for equality, does not make someone a radical feminist. And just because we do not entertain your astounding ignorance on worldly matters and equality does not make us radical anything.
What is does make you, however, is ignorant. You are ignorant on too many subjects to attempt to provide a cogent argument regarding anything. And the fact that you still pathologically stick with female women-haters like Karen Straughan, who's only real backing is the AVFM and MRM buddies, proves it.
Ah and btw yes you have women who hate other women, just like you have men who hate other men. I have come into contact many times with both and minorities who have been racists against minorities. Individuals have these little quirks to their personalities.
Karen Straughan does not speak for women. Even egalitarians such as myself know what she is about.
Your ignorance shows in the fact that you claim to have ignored by post. Well that just proves that despite the fact that we are discussing sexism and feminism, you have refused to acknowledge a females pov and attempt to justify it by saying I am name calling, or I am being emotional or possibly hysterical. Hahahaha really really lame. PS. Congratulations for taking the cowards way out and proving my point. All it does however, is proves your agenda here on this board. It is one of attempting to spread hatred, gain members for your little circlejerk fests in MGTOW et al. And when the mods eventually work it out, they will do something about it.
The simple fact is that until you can address my post and the information within it, honestly - you just show your true colors. Stop ranting on about perceived discrimination in countries of which you know nothing. Stop opening the page, seeing a picture of man working and assuming that's how life is. That is so bizarre. So bizarre that anyone past the age of 10 would have such a mindset.
Please continue to post because the more you say and more repetitive you get, the more you prove us right.
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FYI - If I am such a radical feminist = man hating female, please tell me why I have picketed and marched for Fathers for Justice? (Egalitarian = equality for all (fairness).) While you are blaming feminism for all the worlds evils, maybe you should read up on the Fathers for Justice, harassment of Caroline Noakes. And how radicals within the Father's movement very nearly soured populace backing. I doubt you will do this, as you need to do a lot of research and its tied up in a lot of Governmental back tracking. But it shows that it doesn't take radical feminists to put a movement back.
You see its a shame that radicals infiltrate human rights movements. But unfortunately they do, and they can and often wreck things.
I would love to hear what physical supporting of minority groups you have taken part in, or are you just a sort of couch warrior?
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DagothGares
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posted August 11, 2014 06:17 PM |
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Also, I just like to add that society teaching women to not chase men while men chase women, wouldn’t that give power to the women? I mean, there are men who’s had trouble getting a girlfriend. I’ve seen a lot of male feminists, I’m not saying you are one but there are male feminists who only became a feminist because it’s the easiest road to a woman’s approval. Women can use their sexuality to manipulate a man.
I do sort of agree that it should be okay for a gal to ask a guy out. It's a bit of a weird stigma, but in my experience (keep in mind that I am incredibly handsome, so this may just be a thing specific to me) when you ask a girl out she was anticipating it anyway or hinting at it before. Sure, there are these weird people that ask strangers out (and somehow manage to pull that of), but the healthiest thing to do is just get with a girl you already know for a while and that you've developed an interest with for awhile now.
I think the stigma has something to do with culture (maybe biology/ evolution, but I wouldn't be able to pin it on anything):
- Assertiveness and confidence are typically masculine values, so if a man gets asked out it's a bit turned upside down and people don't like it and we're nothing if not social animals. (Plus, maybe the man doesn't feel like a man then or maybe the girl doesn't feel like he's a man, either way it's a cultural problem, learned behavior.)
I think the problem (of feeling frustrated with asking people out) comes when everyone thinks they can be that guy in the movies that can ask a stranger out. Just my two cents.
Also, I think calling someone close-minded because he doesn't watch videos of some guy on youtube is terribly close-minded. (Ha!)
However, I'm terribly close-minded. My girlfriend keeps telling me that I always think I'm right. But I think it'd be weird if I held an opinion that I thought was wrong, you know? But I don't see how that has anything to do with feminism.
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artu
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posted August 11, 2014 07:03 PM |
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DG said:
My girlfriend keeps telling me that I always think I'm right.
No worries there, that is universal.
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JeremiahEmo
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posted August 12, 2014 04:22 AM |
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I don't know what you're talking about Dagoth, a lot of girls ask me out. No, just kidding, yeah, I know what you're talking about. 
There are some girls who are very aggressive. One stranger randomly flirted with me while I was alone playing basketball. She sang love songs to me in a nearby karaoke bar. And no, she's not drunk. If that was any other guy, he'd be freaked out I think.
Yeah, I agree. It should be a social norm for girls to ask guys out or be as aggressive as guys in flirting with the opposite sex.
DagothGares said:
My girlfriend keeps telling me that I always think I'm right. But I think it'd be weird if I held an opinion that I thought was wrong, you know?
And yes, I can totally understand what you're talking about.
People like artu and Meroe keeps forcing me to agree with them even though I don't see it in the same way they do. Yes, I can empathize but the point of the matter is, historically, men had it worst than women.
It's probably because I'm good at putting myself on someone else's shoes.
For instance, if I was born say, somewhere in the middle ages or the renaissance, I'd rather be a woman than a man.
Let's just say, I'd be born in a rich family.
A man has more responsibility than a woman and he'd be the disposable sex. The only problem I will worry about is pleasing my father/husband (arrange marriage at most). Once I get at least my father's trust, if my husband turns out to be a wife beater, my dad will protect me.
You know? Denaerys Targaryen.
I don't buy this "women were generally battered. Men are generally batterers bs." Every old person I talk to says men loved their women.
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DagothGares
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posted August 12, 2014 05:00 AM |
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Weird that you mention Dany girl, since I think she's one of those people who has it pretty bad, despite that high position in power she has. Also, I don't think at all that any sex should aggressively flirt with the other. 
Since I think that's uncomfortable. There's a difference between being assertive (coming up for your own interests) and being aggressive (asserting your own interests without keeping other people's well-being in mind).
And I understand thinking you're right. I think you're wrong in a very aggressive way, however.
And I think you're underestimating how extremely boring being a woman in that period is. Either you're knitting all the time, learning to play the harp and quote some dead poets you don't care about to some man your dad picked for your or it's back-breaking labour under some man your dad picked for you. Both seem like kind of a raw deal. Rather be your own man and try to make something of yourself, which is an option not very much open for women.
I don't think you should put yourself in such a hypothetical submissive position, JE. But at least you have the luxury to come up with these hypothetical scenarios. If I was born in the 18th century I'd die to congenital heart disorder.
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JeremiahEmo
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posted August 12, 2014 05:39 AM |
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@meroe
1. Paul Elam and the MRA
Like I said before, I am NOT an MRA. I go to their website from time to time and challenge their views.
The difference between MRA and Feminists is that MRAs ARA NOT BIAS.
For instance, when Paul lost the debate to Matt Binder, many MRAs didn't want Paul to debate again.. ever. I agree with them, Matt crushed Paul in that debate. Feminists on the other hand will turn a blind eye on something and say one person made lies for statistics that they don't agree on. I saw that happen with Naomi Wolf vs Karen Straughan. Naomi's arguments were "oops, that doesn't serve our ideology, the whole argument is invalid".
Second, you can really see feminist's over-sensitivity by calling Paul a misogynist when he made an article about "Bash a Violent snow month".
Keyword there is "Violent snow". You're the one who says Violent snow = women. Are all women violent snowes? It's like saying "Bash a Violent douche month". All douches are guys but all guys are not douches. You know what I mean?
One thing I don't like about feminists is that you have to walk on eggshells with your word when talking to them. They ignore explanation. They get to overreaction right away. I did the same thing with the MRAs by making a thread "Do we still need the MRA?" and made an explanation. None of them got offended.
Also, when you shed Paul Elam on a negative light and highlighted he was male tells me how much of a man-hater you are.
2. Earl Silverman
Wait what? There's no mention that same rights were denied to women.
This is a very different story from what I heard from MRAs.
Also, the article is just trying to tarnish Silverman's reputation calling him incompetent without any explanation why.
Question is, is this site reliable?
And as you said, women can hate women, men can hate men. The article being written by a man doesn't mean anything. He could be a self-loathing man-hater.
3. Karen Straughan
Meroe said:
Karen Straughan is anti feminist and hates feminism, therefore, her arguments are invalid.
I could say the same thing that you are anti MRA and hates MRAs, therefore, your arguments are invalid.
4. Men Valuing Women's Lives over Their Own
What I mean by this is not literal, but rather society encouraging men to save a woman first, men last. Actually, it can be literal at some point.
Did you see one of Obama's commercial? I can't find it anymore though. What it contains is that Obama is telling men that when a woman is in trouble, you should jump in to save her even if she's a stranger. Basically, risk your life for her.
I'm sorry but unless a female stranger risks her life for me, I'm not gonna do the same for them (female strangers). I would probably do that 80 years ago but now, feminism has been demonizing men, calling all men rapist, men are batterers, etc, while ignoring all the good things men has done for them. What's worst is that society gives them a free pass. Sorry honey, you're on you're own now.
5. MGTOW
Let me educate you about the MGTOW.
First of all, MGTOW is not an organization or a movement like MRA and feminism. It's a choice of lifestyle.
Not all MGTOWs avoid women, some of them have girlfriends. It's just that they place women on a very low priority. One MGTOW, placed his girlfriend in 13th priority I think? He has many hobbies and he'd rather focus on that. Women are just free to tag along he says.
Some MGTOWs avoid women because divorce cases and family courts are heavily bias against men.
Other MGTOWs such as myself knows we are better off alone. I can get a woman if I want to. I am a fairly good-looking guy. I've had women flirt with me and another woman ask me to be her boyfriend but I declined. I am not needy of relationships. I'm a bros before hoes type of guy. I think with my brain, not my peen.
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bloodsucker
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posted August 12, 2014 12:38 PM |
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fred79
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posted August 12, 2014 12:43 PM |
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bloodsucker said:
Please, I don't want to be walking in the street and ear some cleaning lady commenting to her friend "Hey, nice peace of meat" or scream out loud "I would do u".
lol, if you see/hear/read those words from anybody, chances are, you're in the middle of a badly translated hentai or something.
and btw...
"Hey, nice peace of meat"...
that's what she said. 
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JeremiahEmo
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posted August 12, 2014 01:41 PM |
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putting words into my mouth, once again. As expected from feminists.
You know, this thread made me realize, I actually don't need to do anything to point out every bad thing feminists did. They will just dig their own grave.
As for me saying women should stay in the kitchen, can you give me the exact quote that I said that that's not a light-hearted joke?
@Dagoth
boring is your opinion. I can live with the boredom. I prefer that lifestyle than worrying about what to eat the next day or paying the rent next month. There are a lot of things you can do actually. Think of it as being a 7 year old kid. No responsibilities. The only thing you worry about if pleasing your man.
Being submissive can be a good thing if you're good at it you know.
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artu
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posted August 12, 2014 03:29 PM |
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Edited by artu at 15:32, 12 Aug 2014.
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It's quite ironic you talking about digging your own grave while on the other hand you say things like "being submissive can be a good thing if you're good at it you know." First of all, cleaning, cooking, taking care of the kids, doing the dishes, cleaning out the toilets etc and doing all of this in a time where no machinery and no modern hygiene chemicals existed is not zero responsibility. It's quite a day's work and it's repetitive, boring work. Second of all, the problem is that it was not their choice. It was not an option. Are you so lost in your BS that you make-up along the way to drip your own ego, that you end up believing it's the other people who can't see the reality here? Just look at the size of your own psychological iceberg that you keep crashing into: There is a FANTASY show, you even watch that show with a misogyny based perspective, then you try to use one of the characters as an example to support another fictional example, yet, you again arbitrarily made up to serve your purpose: "I'll be living in the Renaissance, I'll be among the rich (which is like 2 percent of the population), if my husband tries to beat me my father would protect me (he probably wouldn't because the moral conduct of that age would indicate that was not his place to do so), and I'll be happy to sit home all day because that can be a good thing. HAH, and women think they had it bad!" Can't you see, that is not just stupid but seriously sick?
Why doesn't your brain compute such a simple fact when everyone else's does; a man could be oppressed in the past because he was poor, because of his social class, political views, ethnicity but men were not oppressed because of their gender. There is no causality between the oppression and the gender, therefore, those oppressions were not fought through gender based activism but other corresponding movements like anti-racism, socialism etc. In the case of women though, whether you were a house-wife or a baroness you were considered inferior because of your gender and there was nothing you could do or decide to change that. So feminism evolved as a response accordingly. Today's world is a lot more advanced and preferable comparing it to those times but the cultural heritage basically remains the same almost everywhere. So, feminism still exists. Trying to reverse that bigger picture by giving anecdotal examples like "I can not hit a woman back" is just pathetic. In cases where there is real violence from a woman to a man, the law protects you, however the reality you conveniently choose to skip is this, extreme majority of women don't try to solve their problems by beating a men, ever. If they decide to do so, again, extreme majority of the very few ones who decide to do so wont have a physical advantage over the man and he'll be able to defend himself quite easily. The cases you talk about where men cant hit back are cases where young couples are kidding around with each other and stuff like that. And although I admit, that your girlfriend punching your shoulder, giggling along when you tell her to cut it out can be sometimes annoying in it's own way, it can hardly be categorized as systematical female oppression, can it?
It is also shameless, how you never even try to explain the dilemma that on one hand you say patriarchy is swell and on the other, you say there is no patriarchy it's all women's trick to stay lazy and hide the matriarchy. You really might try seeking professional help Jemo.
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DagothGares
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posted August 12, 2014 04:13 PM |
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Think of it as being a 7 year old kid.
Well, back then I had pokémon to forget how bad it is being a kid. They didn't have it back then.
No, but seriously, that's NEET reasoning there, man. Better to toil as a free man than to be a kid the rest of your life.
And, like, dude, Dany girl doesn't have a pleasant life. Let's forget about how everyone she likes sorta dies or disappears, everyone else she meets or is about to meet or have met threatens to rape her, rapes her or is about to rape her. Sure she has dragons, but I'd rather be a turnip farmer than her.
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meroe
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posted August 12, 2014 05:03 PM |
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Edited by meroe at 17:14, 12 Aug 2014.
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JEmo quote - "People like artu and Meroe keeps forcing me to agree with them even though I don't see it in the same way they do. Yes, I can empathize but the point of the matter is, historically, men had it worst than women.
It's probably because I'm good at putting myself on someone else's shoes.
For instance, if I was born say, somewhere in the middle ages or the renaissance, I'd rather be a woman than a man.
Let's just say, I'd be born in a rich family."
LMAO - no we are not trying to force you into anything. However, what we have done is constantly prove that you are wrong, misguided and blinkered. And as for empathizing - you haven't shown any of that either. And ooops what do I see here *tut tut* 'historically, men had it worse' - haha same broken record. Again you have proven yourself to be so ignorant of history. Please read again Artu's little quip about the rich in Renaissance times (being 2% of the population). Yeah right you would have fitted into that very small privileged group. And that proves a lot again, because by placing yourself in such a privileged position, you then totally ignore the wealth of history regarding male and female struggles during those times. Again you have chosen to close your eyes and come up with a fantasy JEmo parallel universe. So here is the promised disdain. (And you've earned it, by the barrel load).
I suggest you go back to school. You have the level of ignorance of a 5 year old. You appear to know absolutely nothing about anything. I don't know why I have this image of a young man from somewhere like Singapore or thereabouts, from a well to do family. Left to his own devices mostly, maybe because mom and dad work hard, are too busy with work or functions to pay you too much notice. Or maybe because they are disturbed by your thought processes and are a little unsure how to deal with it. Who knows, its just a guess. Ooh sounds like that Elliot Roger, the Isla Vista killer. Yes yes, he was a member of PUAHate and groups too. He made several claims, and poured his frustrations of not being able to get a girlfriend and being a virgin at 22 into his little Youtube rantings. He said many things regarding his hatred of women, because women were not having sex with him. He also said things that remind me of quotes from our JEmo here.
He posted things like "I'm 22 years old and I'm still a virgin. I've never even kissed a girl. I've been through college for two and a half years, more than that actually, and I'm still a virgin. It has been very torturous. College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. Within those years, I've had to rot in loneliness. It's not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me, but I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime, because... I don't know what you don't see in me. I'm the perfect guy and yet you throw yourselves at these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman."
He also quotes that he felt that women should not have the right to chose their own sexual partners. And even hated other men for having sex with women that he felt he should be having sex with.
Now I'm not claiming that you are exactly like poor Elliot at all, he was a rich, privileged kid, with a massively warped sense of entitlement. But his inability to comprehend reality is strikingly similar to yours. You know, not accepting reality and having to formulate your own type of parallel dimension in which you can fester your hatred.
And even though I have never watched Game of Thrones, I do happen to know that the character you mentioned, Daerys whatever. She was basically sold by her brother for an army and raped by her new husband. She had no choice. But hell that is fine by you apparently. Tut, Meroe of course it is, she is just a woman, they are meant to be raped, they only have pussy value. Doh, silly silly Meroe.
MRA's are not biased. Oh sorry I nearly pee'd myself laughing there. Yeah you tell yourself that. The rest of the population know full well that there are women haters and bias within MRA's all the time. You know, the radical ones. The one's who's views you take to heart as fact so much. Guys like Paul Elam who hates women so much he wants to beat us up all the time to vent his frustration. I am guessing his wife left him at some point before he started up A Voice for Men ??? But of course they are not biased at all, are they. Hell noes. Gosh sound make yourself sound so ignorant when you claim things like this.
No JEmo dear they are just as radical and women hating as the radical feminist movement are man-hating. But you choose not to see it that way because the reality means then you would have to try and take a more balanced approach to thinking. That makes you 100% biased.
And my links are just as reliable as your's my dear. What you think that The New York Times is feminist now? Gosh, is there no end to your paranoia?? Yes all my links are as justifiable and valid as your's. (You know Salon, We Hunted the Mammoth etc - just as valid as AVFM etc  ) I am guessing you won't get the heavy sarcasm there. No of course you won't. You can't. You are a radical misogynist. Balanced thinking is not possible.
And while you call me a man hater, I would like you to prove that please. Please do. And while you do that, because apparently when I point out that Paul Elam loves the idea of beating a women to a pulp because she has slapped you (a regular column he has in his publication as I stated before) - that makes me a man hater. Gosh! Horrible horrible man hater Meroe *slap slap slappy* Now now Meroe that isn't good enough let a big guy punch to into a pulp first. As is a man's rights, or at least a right we would like. I mean you weigh, what 108lbs roughly. A man of 210lbs should do it!!! And remember its for your own good girlie. And pardon any sexual satisfaction I get from giving you a good hiding.
Oh and that article of Silverman was not out to tarnish Silverman at all, and its interesting and harks back to your mindset that is how you perceive it. What it was doing was exploding the creepy way that AVFM was attempting to use Silverman's suicide as an attack against feminism.
But regardless of all this, you still are not getting my point are you. All these little articles and sites are set up by people with an agenda. And mostly none of them are well balanced. And if you continuously choose to believe in a one sided pov then that makes you a bigot. Can you get that at all??? I mean is there no comprehending that JEmo, for you? Hmm?
Unlike you, I am not a member of any of these sites/groups. I didn't even know they existed until I started looking into the things you were quoting as 'historical facts and proofs' lol. Then what I discovered is that your idea of historical facts or proof, is a anti equality site or some mad raver with a youtube account. Boy!!!  That's fact for ya! Mind blown at your level of comprehension.
So talking of invalid arguments. You have proven time and time and time again that you are not capable of rational thought. Hence your arguments are a nonsense and invalid. Mine are not just because I have brought information back to you. Duh.
And you are only prepared to take a woman/female seriously if she sacrifices her life for your's huh. Oh Lord give me strength. Oh dear, I am sorry I have started laughing. Boy! Wow. Well I will start off by just asking you to read up on the Sandy Hook massacre and how many female teachers sacrificed themselves for their little charges. Now this is just a tiny tiny example. You know JEmo, people have sacrificed themselves for loved ones throughout the centuries. Male and female. But truthfully when a woman has done it, it rarely gets mentioned. History will tell you (oops not your strong point) that women were often the offer of sacrifice. However, I see you choose not to mention that. But, hell with your level of ignorance you probably wouldn't know about it. Ignorance is not an excuse btw. Not to mention that the men sacrificing themselves to save their women has been blown out of a historic romantic mindset. I am not saying it doesn't happen. I know it does. I also know it goes both ways. I am not blinkered like you.
I will end with this however. No matter how hard you try to make yourself and your biased views credible, you fail because like quotes like this expose you for who you are - JEmo quote to Meroe - "I'm a bros before hoes type of guy". So all women are 'hoes' are they?
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Darn it, I'm not now having 'snow' turn up for the word I wish to use again and wreck my post like last time. So I am altering it.
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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meroe
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posted August 12, 2014 09:41 PM |
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Hey Bloodsucker, you missed a really good one
https://www.upworthy.com/most-of-these-people-do-the-right-thing-but-the-guys-at-the-end-i-wish-i-could-yell-at-them-4?c=reccon1
Sorry if my link doesn't work.
The french one was fantastic. Done really well and was just so true. In fact it made me feel quite angry watching it.
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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bloodsucker
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posted August 12, 2014 11:47 PM |
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JeremiahEmo said:
As for me saying women should stay in the kitchen, can you give me the exact quote that I said that that's not a light-hearted joke?
I'm sorry, u never said that. What you said in fact was that they are biologicaly doomed to s h i t-chat.
JeremiahEmo said:
Don't you find it strange that a lot of men choose the engineering and other object-related jobs while a lot of women choose social-related jobs? No, it's not strange, it's biological.
To Meroe, I didn't forgot, only for some reason I found it less interesting, maybe because I already belived that normal human beings don't let those things to hapen without steping up.
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JeremiahEmo
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posted August 13, 2014 11:40 AM |
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@Dagoth
Basically, there is no right or wrong answer. Everyone has their preference. I have a female friend who hates feminism because she's now forced to survive on her own. Please don't judge her, it's her preference.
And Dagoth, I don't think rape is as common as you think. Man, you need to stop listening to feminists and start thinking on your own. You seem like a decent, smart man. And believe me, I know a lot of women both in real life and the internet. By the way, they are not MRAs either.
No man I know wants to be labeled a rapist either.
@meroe
And what did Denaerys do? She made the best of her situation. She asked people how to please Kal Drogo and did just that. And wait, there's more. When the witch killed her husband and her son, she gets a free pass for some reason. I don't know, maybe because she's a woman? Just a guess but I can't think of any other reason why the witch killed everyone in her family but not her.
a woman's life will always be worth something. A man is just a utility. That's why I prefer a woman's life in the past because it is easier to control your emotions and adapt than go out there, make a name for yourself, then possibly create some enemies from people who wants to replace you.
I don't know how friggin hard is that to understand.
other things to note:
*obviously, you didn't read my post about Paul Elam. That hatred is already cloudeding judgement, unfortunately.
@Bloodsucker
can you explain to me how preferring social-related jobs is biologically doomed??
Like, wtf?
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posted August 13, 2014 02:06 PM |
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Basically, there is no right or wrong answer. Everyone has their preference. I have a female friend who hates feminism because she's now forced to survive on her own. Please don't judge her, it's her preference.
But that is wrong and parasitic and her parents most likely failed her. It's not about preference, it's about being a good person, JE.
And I'm taking about the fictional girl you referenced. I've seen both the show and the books and rape is one of the most central themes around the character (as is with every character in GoT, realy). This is not some lie or something, Everybody wants to or gets to rape that woman or at least gets away with threatening to do it.
EDIT: Oh, I see you're saying it's okay as long as you have the can-do spirit! Man, that doesn't make any sense!
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posted August 13, 2014 02:35 PM |
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JeremiahEmo said:
@Bloodsucker
can you explain to me how preferring social-related jobs is biologically doomed??
Like, wtf?
I don't know, it's you wgo say that. The reason why there are so many girls in social-related jobs is BIOLOGICAL. That's in your quote. I don't think that btw.
When someone says something of that kind I always remember that Ada Lovelace (considered the first computer programmer) was a hot girl while his father (Byron) was a poet.
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posted August 13, 2014 02:39 PM |
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a woman's life will always be worth something. A man is just a utility. That's why I prefer a woman's life in the past because it is easier to control your emotions and adapt than go out there, make a name for yourself, then possibly create some enemies from people who wants to replace you.
I don't know how friggin hard is that to understand.
It's very easy to understand, it is yet another comparison of logical fallacy. To go out there and make a name for yourself is something you choose, you can always choose to be a simple farmer or a shoemaker or whatever it is that you quietly do and nobody will mess with you. If you are an aristocrat landlord, you can choose not to get into the power game, trying to kill your rivals for more authority and live by the riches you inherited and probably, nobody will mess with you, again. So, you can choose to "live in the shadows like a woman" if you will. A woman couldn't choose the opposite however.
And it's quite absurd for you to talk about preferences when you say it's better to be a woman those days BECAUSE they had zero responsibility, oh, it's sweet like being a 7 year-old. Now, apart from the fact that it had been already explained to you that it's not zero responsibility and it was never so sweet as you disinform, why don't you try tasting your own medicine for a minute there? You say you are a "bros before hoe's" type of guy and that's your choice in life. Now, for a second there, imagine it was a woman's world we live in, and that choice was not up to you, your basic responsibilities were dictated to you by the society as pleasing your woman, if you didn't like the wife your mother chose for you, you could always "adapt" and make the best of things. And if you said that is not the life you prefer for yourself, some women replied "oh honey, we love you and this is better for you, we know what's good for you. JUST IMAGINE YOURSELF AS A SEVEN YEAR OLD."
It doesn't take much effort to do that, btw.
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And I'm taking about the fictional girl you referenced. I've seen both the show and the books and rape is one of the most central themes around the character (as is with every character in GoT, realy). This is not some lie or something, Everybody wants to or gets to rape that woman or at least gets away with threatening to do it.
You don't have to go as far as rape. Although she is the smarter and stronger character, her brother is given the claim to the throne. Everything only changes because this is fantasy and she turns out to be the chosen one that does not burn, the mother of dragons. If it was the real world, she'd be lost. It's like the worst example someone can pick to prove how women had it better. And to say the witch spared her because she was a woman, only proves the level of biased perspective and delusional state Jemo is in. She made a deal with the witch to bring her husband back to life, the witch kept that word but tricked her by hiding the fact that his husband will no longer be himself. She lost a baby in her womb and Jemo thinks that's G.M. giving her the treat and makes it sound like the witch went into their tent at night, slit the man and boy's throat in bed, yet spared her because she was a woman.
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posted August 13, 2014 04:20 PM |
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It was kind of a "haha, everyone you loved is dead." moment.
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posted August 13, 2014 10:46 PM |
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Ahh now JEmo in all his worldly knowledge goes back to belittling rape again. http://www.rccmsc.org/resources/get-the-facts.aspx and https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims There you go, can't get more balanced and honest facts on rape (in the US). Of course if you want a more world wide statistic they are out there and they make grisly reading.
I would also like to point out that the British site Rape Crisis (England and Wales) has its own section for male rape survivors. And a link to all manner of male only services for men/boys who have been victims. http://www.rapecrisis.org.uk/malerape2.php
In RapeCrisis publication they also have a myths section about rape and included was this:-
Myth Women cannot rape.
Fact The majority of sexual assaults and rapes are committed by men against women and children. Nonetheless, a small number of women do perpetrate sexual violence. Often women and children who've been sexually assaulted or abused by women, for example within their family or a same-sex relationship, are particularly fearful that they will not be believed, that their experiences won't be taken seriously or won't be considered 'as bad' as being raped by a man. This can make it difficult for these survivors to access services or justice.
Adult men are also raped and sexually assaulted. While Rape Crisis focuses particularly on the needs and rights of women and girls, and on providing specialist services within women-only safe spaces, we of course recognise that the impacts of sexual violence on the lives of men and boys are no less devastating and we believe all survivors of sexual violence deserve specialist support. Find more information for male survivors here.
(I have included this particular myth over the others, because I doubt JEmo even reads anything I link, because it would blow his nonsense out of the water proof wise, so I wanted him to see that even these so-called evil female run feminist help groups genuinely understand that rape affects both sexes and that both sexes need help).
So while the British site was less politically correct and mentioned perpetrators by sex, compared to the American RAINN (Rape/Abuse/Incest National Network) and Rape Crisis Center who did not. All these sites are credible and work closely with Government and police. So I feel more secure in believing their statistic's compared to AVFM, who considered the statistics to be 'Lies, damned lies and statistics' in a publication of theirs which included such enlightening comments like - 'the true statistics are at Angry Harry's' (another MRM site); 'I don't buy into any of the psychological drama women have invented around male-on-female rape. Men getting battered or raped by men is as a rule much, much more traumatic than women getting raped. Plus, given the prevailing false allegation epidemic, I don't care any more if women actually get raped or not.'; 'If you want to know, I do want to see lower punishment for most sexual crimes, although for tactical reasons, like all MRAs worthy of the name, I want women to be given a taste of their own medecine and to get the same sentences for equal crimes'; 'heterosexual rape = mitigated assault/ homosexual rape = aggravated assault'.
So yeah, most people are pretty much going to go with the police statistics rather than an angry dude with a woman-bashing website.
But seriously, shame on you JEmo. Trying to belittle and reduce rape as those its nothing more than a slap on the backside. Good grief you are ignorant and blinkered. Its shocking it truly is that a young guy such as yourself has such a hatefilled and warped outlook.
You are fortunate enough to never have experienced sexual violence. And because you don't appear to have developed an ounce of empathy, you view it as something that woman should get used to as it really isn't so bad. So what do you do. You refute the statistical evidence provided and rather believe a ranting sexist who happens to have his own domain name. Yet apparently everyone else can't think for themselves. LOL
Artu covered Daenys blah perfectly well. Yet I know you still cannot understand his points. A female character written by a male, for a fantasy book, in which the majority of the females within said fantasy all appear to be the victims of some sort of sexual violence, over and over again ... to you is a valid example of reality. So you would tell a rape victim, in her hospital bed after they had stitched her up, that she needs to stop feeling sorry for herself and be more like a fantasy character who gets raped and saved by her dragons.  Because all those women who suffer from panic attacks, depression and suicidal thoughts are just 'milking the rape' according to you and your MRA brethren.
And lets make this perfectly clear regarding your nonsense in why you would prefer a historical female life - you only have one scenario regarding this in your mind and it is one based in total fantasy. Its one where you would be born into a wealthy family, never forced into an arranged marriage, cherished by your father as an equal, not as a commodity and be left unmolested to gambol and jape around doing nothing but amusing yourself.
That is the dumbest pile of fantastical BS. But I get it. People have written pages explaining history and women's oppression in history, within the family, by the state, education, marriage, rights, property ad nauseam. But you simply will not acknowledge it. You are a pure negationist. You refuse to accept known history and attempt to distort it to further your own vile mindset.
In regards to people like Paul Elam, if you think that someone who constantly spouts that DV against women is justified and that there should be a 'Bash A violent B***h Month' or 'If you see Jezebel in the road, run the b***h down'.
And other charming Elam quotes like "I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women - to beat the living snow out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles".
And, "I will say this, though. To all the men out there that decided to say “Damn the consequences,” and fight back, you are heroes to the cause of equality; true feminists. And you are the honorary Kings of Bash a Violent B***h Month. You are living proof of just how hollow “don’t f**k with us,” rings from the mouths of bullies and hypocrites".
Just those quotes from the tiny article of 'run the b***h down month'.
And you accuse me of anger. Ha. I have never once talked about running a man down, or beating a man up, or harming a man physically. It is you who cannot see your own blinding anger and hatred. And yet because I call out Paul Elam for the violent misogynist he is, I am the hater/the feminist/the dyke/the b***h to be run down or beaten to a pulp.
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