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meroe
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posted August 14, 2014 06:34 PM |
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Yes and what did I just say in that comment you quotes. That real woman don't give a monkeys about cartoon characters.
However, those male adonis types you seen in your games and comic's are drawn by men. You have missed the point, like you always do Fred. 
And males is hardly going to kick up a stink about a cartoon adonis who makes males look superhuman and godlike, are they. Partly because, up until very recently men were rarely defined by how they looked. Of course now, some women are expecting well defined muscles etc and will not become involved with a guy unless he fits her physical preferences. Ooh what a turn around.
Maybe your attitude would be different if say, we had a veritable glut of woman produced fantasy comics and games that trivialized men and only used them as eye candy, but whilst at the same time have men portrayed with such over exaggerated parts? And when we held a comic con or convention, you guys have to dress up like sexualized characters for us to paw and lust over like rabid sexed up hamsters?
This is what all men look like, according to male artists:-
However, notice that the male member is not shown.
A female character, that the artist has attempted to base on a more 'normal' female physicality:-
But of course we all know that women soldiers etc, wear bikini's and ripped stripper tights.
These pictures are relatively vanilla compared to most. So enjoy 
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bloodsucker
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posted August 14, 2014 06:47 PM |
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fred79 said:
i never hear mention of the same sexism that is being used on the male counterparts.
Sorry, Fred but Meroe is right.
First, there are feminist nazis that complain about those idealized male figures, namely cause they perpetuate a stereotype.
Second this characthers are used to attract men not women. Look at new Hercules movie, do u think it is targeted to young girls?
Even if there are women who like extremely muscled man, guys like Dwayne, Schwarzenegger and Stalonne made their fortunes by selling identification to other strait men, not sex to women.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 14, 2014 06:48 PM |
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This is what all men look like, according to male artists:-
Wrong, that's what a sexylicious godlike man looks like in another man's eyes. Don't dare imply that the artists considers all man to rank equally in physique and stature.
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meroe
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posted August 14, 2014 06:50 PM |
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Edited by meroe at 18:51, 14 Aug 2014.
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Yeah, but it still man on man love and appreciation Tsar. 
I mean Jin Kazama - his biceps are bigger than his head. 
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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fred79
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posted August 14, 2014 06:57 PM |
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meroe said:
You have missed the point, like you always do Fred.
i didn't read most of the post. i quoted the whole thing because i was too lazy to be specific. and, i only get that "you miss the point" crap from people who miss mine, meroe. it's a two-way street.
it is not due to a lack of understanding on my part, it is due to a lack of caring. i understand that there are problems on both sides just fine.
what's all of ya'll's excuse? my guess is, the lack of understanding your opponents pov.
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DagothGares
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posted August 14, 2014 07:00 PM |
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The difference is that idealised men are portrayed as aspirational, while women are portrayed as object. You want to be tough like Jin Kazama and you want to HAVE [insert sexualised woman from fighting game/ comic/ anywhere else]. Don't tell me someone aspires to be this.
The most recent Tomb Raider at least makes an effort by saying: "Yeah, she's pretty hot, but she's also got a list of positive qualities. She's really good at recuperating form being beaten up. Ohhh! We didn't say that!"
Fighting games are a good example I think where most women are fetish material (Cammy and Juri Han are good examples. They are sexy and Cammy wears an outfit that's more about revealing her body than anything. Juri is sexual and fetishistic as well in the way she acts.) and where most men are beefy tough guys who are cool.
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meroe
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posted August 14, 2014 07:02 PM |
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Edited by meroe at 19:04, 14 Aug 2014.
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To have a lack of understanding of the oppositions pov means you cannot discuss anything with them because you are ignorant - hence JEmo's predicament.
Fred79 "i didn't read most of the post. i quoted the whole thing because i was too lazy to be specific. and, i only get that "you miss the point" crap from people who miss mine, meroe. it's a two-way street."
These are your words, you didn't read my post yet still quoted it and I am the one who missed the point ??? What? 
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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fred79
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posted August 14, 2014 07:12 PM |
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DagothGares said:
Fighting games are a good example I think where most women are fetish material (Cammy and Juri Han are good examples. They are sexy and Cammy wears an outfit that's more about revealing her body than anything. Juri is sexual and fetishistic as well in the way she acts.) and where most men are beefy tough guys who are cool.
and many fighting games come from Japanese culture. take a look at the culture, and you'll understand why certain things are as they are. it is a sexually depraved culture. they sell used "schoolgirl" panties in VENDING MACHINES, ffs.
they're so far ahead of the rest of the world, sexually. i yearn to visit Japan and taste of their wares. 
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meroe
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posted August 14, 2014 07:13 PM |
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Oh FFS Fred *facepalm*
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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fred79
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posted August 14, 2014 07:26 PM |
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meroe said:
To have a lack of understanding of the oppositions pov means you cannot discuss anything with them because you are ignorant - hence JEmo's predicament.
Fred79 "i didn't read most of the post. i quoted the whole thing because i was too lazy to be specific. and, i only get that "you miss the point" crap from people who miss mine, meroe. it's a two-way street."
These are your words, you didn't read my post yet still quoted it and I am the one who missed the point ??? What?
that's my point. you(not only you, though) don't understand j-mo's pov. he HAS brought up valid points before. those points were overlooked, and spat on by his "opposition"(for lack of a better term. i am tired, so i am seeing things in combative terms ).
when i tried showing both him and everyone against him that there were good points on both sides, i was attacked by jj, who sides against him. do you not see the irrational nature in which this topic is being discussed? on BOTH sides? facts and statistics mean nothing, when those spouting them are attacking someone personally, when that person refutes statistics.
take for example, when you watch the news. lots of horrible stuff going on in the world, right? or so the media would have you believe. you step outside your front door, and you hear nothing but birds. no gunshots, nobody screaming, etc. "where is all this stuff i'm hearing about"?
my point is, you have to look at everything from a distance, so that you can see it better. the media, or "statistics"(that anyone could make up, ffs) will do what it can to tell you something different from what you see every day. and using statistics to attack someone, seems to be the VERY REASON these statistics were made. really, what other use do they serve, but to further divide people?
speaking of "dividing", look at what's happening in the media, over the cop shooting a kid.
it seems like, those with the "information", only want to divide people, instead of come together.
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meroe
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posted August 14, 2014 07:49 PM |
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What pov of JEMo's? What are you talking about. I've address them all, ad nauseam. As has Artu, JJ, Steyn, DG, Bloodsucker et al. JEmo is the one who refused to believe the truth. Please what are you talking about? Are you saying that JEmo's female hatred is justified? Even though its based in a fantasyland mostly.
Please state what valid points JEmo's has that you think have been overlooked by everyone else? Please, because that fact that you wrote that is astounding. I really don't think you understand the argument here at all. Its just gone over your head.
And now I am guessing you will again accuse me of being overly emotional. Especially when it was you and your emotions that derailed the feminism thread while we had to stop the discussion to personally assure you that no one was attacking you personally or calling you an oppressor personally. But lets silence the female by calling her emotional and unable to control her emotions. I wish we had a facepalm smiley.
The only valid point he brought up was that there have been some men who have be discriminated in the family courts. Everything has been a damn nonsense, and nothing based it reality.
Your examples here are also nothing compared to what JEmo spouts continuously. And it just goes to prove why sitting on the fence means you haven't a clue.
Your whole post misses the discussion by miles.
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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fred79
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posted August 14, 2014 08:07 PM |
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meroe said:
What pov of JEMo's? What are you talking about. I've address them all, ad nauseam. As has Artu, JJ, Steyn, DG, Bloodsucker et al. JEmo is the one who refused to believe the truth. Please what are you talking about? Are you saying that JEmo's female hatred is justified? Even though its based in a fantasyland mostly.
Please state what valid points JEmo's has that you think have been overlooked by everyone else? Please, because that fact that you wrote that is astounding. I really don't think you understand the argument here at all. Its just gone over your head.
And now I am guessing you will again accuse me of being overly emotional. Especially when it was you and your emotions that derailed the feminism thread while we had to stop the discussion to personally assure you that no one was attacking you personally or calling you an oppressor personally. But lets silence the female by calling her emotional and unable to control her emotions. I wish we had a facepalm smiley.
The only valid point he brought up was that there have been some men who have be discriminated in the family courts. Everything has been a damn nonsense, and nothing based it reality.
Your examples here are also nothing compared to what JEmo spouts continuously. And it just goes to prove why sitting on the fence means you haven't a clue.
Your whole post misses the discussion by miles.
"Please what are you talking about?"
damnit, you're going to make me look up what he said that made sense? you don't take my word for it?
seriously though, it was one of the many periods where he was angrily being attacked from "da pack". the things he said, that i caught, agreed with(because they were true), and used to form an opinion on him; were lost on(nearly) everyone, because they were only seeing red.
no, i'm not going to go back through all that, just to verify what i read that was true. that's why i don't like the osm; if someone wants to convince someone else, they have to jump through hoops to do it, even when the very point they were making was lost in a previous argument. if someone else wants to go back and find what i was talking about, have fun. i won't waste my time. nothing personal. like i said, i don't care all that much. i'll give minimum effort, if i feel like it. but my energy has run out.
anything i point out will only be refuted anyway(and more often than not, ridiculously, on any topic), which will continue an arguement that i have no emotional investment in.
but i will do this, i will read the rest of the post i quoted, and respond to it. how's that? 
ok. i never said that jmo was justified in anything. he HAS brought up valid points, though(those that i'm not going to bother pointing out, because they were missed the first time by pretty much everybody).
ok. nothing has gone over my head. i've read pretty much all i care to read, and this discussion will go nowhere.
wow. the rest was not nice either. how am i NOT supposed to see this as an emotional attack, meroe?
but whatever. i'm done here. visiting the osm or serious subjects that everyone seems to know the answer to, is like being attacked by howler monkeys flinging ****.
why should i debase myself? why should i bother? is it going to change any outcome?
not in the least.
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meroe
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posted August 14, 2014 08:27 PM |
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You still have not told us what these 'facts' where. Because everyone who has commented on regarding JEmo's 'facts' have proved them 100% to be lies.
I believe you became involved because you thought you saw one guy against a gang. You were not interested in whether this guy brought condemnation upon himself, you just wanted to help stick up for the 'little guy'. And then you got drawn into a discussion that was probably uncomfortable for you. You didn't want to take sides, so you tried to placate what you saw as hatred, (which was in fact exasperation) by going down the 'lets all be friends' route.
And yes JJ did explode at you. (Although I guess when a guy gets emotional that isn't a gender issue). He was justifiably annoyed.
Strangely enough this scenario proves that sitting in on the fence or being in the middle of the road, on issues is actually quite like being in the firing line.
You agreeing with JEmo on fathers right discrimination within the family was right. As most of us agree, actually. But rather than stating that was what you agreed with him on, you arbitrarily stated that you agreed with a lot of his views. Yet you do not know what they were. Unfortunately you have taken the side of a guy who does not appear to live in the real world. And he has annoyed many many people. Not just on this board, but the Heroes boards too. So by not take too much notice, you have inadvertently done yourself an injustice.
And by me saying that by sitting on the fence means you don't have a clue of the real argument, is in no way emotional. Your emotional response to it, however, is.
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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Zenofex
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posted August 14, 2014 08:40 PM |
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The difference is that idealised men are portrayed as aspirational, while women are portrayed as object.
Following that logic, female models portray themselves as objects because they pretty often look like the "objects" which you are referring to in their photo sessions. I'd say there is a simpler explanation for this, more biological and less philosophical.
By the way, many girls would prefer to have the ass from the picture, if not necessarily in the ridiculous outfit.
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fred79
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posted August 14, 2014 09:18 PM |
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@ meroe: there were more points that i agreed with him on, and that he was right in, than one. there were points, that i read, before jj gave me his usual attitude, and after that. like i said, i'm not pointing them out. you are clearly not going to see what i was getting at. this argument is being recycled from a previous one.
and, i don't care if i'm a target by not "siding" with anyone(in case you haven't noticed, everyone gets targeted in most conversations here, in one way or another, for what they believe, what they post, etc). those throwing insults at someone who ISN'T biased, though, have the horrible mirror-reality to face, not me. so i don't worry about how my perspective will be viewed. i'm perfectly comfortable.
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DagothGares
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posted August 14, 2014 09:37 PM |
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Following that logic, female models portray themselves as objects
Duh, they even paint themselves.
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Zenofex
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posted August 14, 2014 10:58 PM |
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I think you understand very well what I mean, don't try to play smartass.
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fred79
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posted August 14, 2014 11:09 PM |
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yeah, that's my job.
(inb4 "no, you're the dumbass." )
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DagothGares
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posted August 15, 2014 12:38 AM |
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Zenofex said:
I think you understand very well what I mean, don't try to play smartass.
I mean to say it's not a very lofty aspiration to be a victoria's secret model. And both men and women have the "oh, boy, I'd sure like to look really hot for the opposite gender," but men portrayed that way are "cool" and women portrayed that way are ... Not, if you know what I mean (yeah, they're hot!).
I don't mean to be sex-negative, in this thread. I recognise both guys and gals wanna look very pretty and sexy. It's just that I know girls that get somewhat uncomfortable when they try to get into certain games in the way that women are presented in them and I'm pretty sure it has to do with the fact that often guys are presented as cool aspirational characters (or interesting or funny characters) while women are objects of... cheesecake/ desire/ waifu-material.
I've never heard of a guy getting uncomfortable from seeing the portrayal of their gender in a game is my point and I've provided a pretty grounded argument for it.
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meroe
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posted August 15, 2014 01:25 AM |
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Oh beautifully put DG. *applauds*
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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