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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted August 06, 2015 03:58 PM |
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Edited by kiryu133 at 15:59, 06 Aug 2015.
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At least the Stalker/tracker are wearing clothes.
The only unit i like (fckn elves) is the trog and they're kinda cool. upg is a bit weird but nothing too bad. Assassin/shade are frickin dumb though but Stalker/tracker are awright.
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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alexine
Known Hero
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posted August 06, 2015 03:59 PM |
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Well they are different models yes but the color sheme and spikes are same 
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leiah2
Known Hero
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posted August 06, 2015 04:01 PM |
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Edited by leiah2 at 16:13, 06 Aug 2015.
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articun said:
Don't forget that although basic units, Dark elves are few and prefer to attack from the sidelines instead of up front, so it doesn't seem off if they have good armor and detailed. It just adds to their vanity and their scarce numbers. After all, these are considered the elite warriors of their race, so they wouldn;t go to battle with as less protection as they can...
No no no, not less armor, just that it does not have to be so over the top with expensive things that don't add any sort of advantage, good quality armor is not something bad. For example the Tracker, if you fixed the shoulders looking like spikes, less spikes on the crossbow,
a cloak that is not ripped to shreds, fix the boob plate and maybe take away some more bling, they would be perfect to me. And yeah they like to attack from the sidelines and where their enemies can't see them, but the more bling and shiny golden and silver details they have it's easier to spot them. Vanity is not a reason to lose effectiveness in combat. Also, where in the lore does it say that they are vain? Probably missed that  .
The reason I am against boob plate is this.
Let’s start with some relevant history: armor was uncomfortable, guys. It was heavy, hot or cold depending on the weather, and it made you sweat. To negate some of its more uncomfortable effects, all armored soldiers wore padded gambesons and the like. Once this padding was added, the shape of the wearer was practically neutralized. So the need for special boob-shaped armor is already suspect at best.
Now we’ll apply some science!
Let’s begin by stating the simple purpose of plate armor—to deflect blows from weaponry. Assuming that you are avoiding the blow of a sword, your armor should be designed so that the blade glances off your body, away from your chest. If your armor is breast-shaped, you are in fact increasing the likelihood that a blade blow will slide inward, toward the center of your chest, the very place you are trying to keep safe.
But that’s not all! Let’s say you even fall onto your boob-conscious armor. The divet separating each breast will dig into your chest, doing you injury. It might even break your breastbone. With a strong enough blow to the chest, it could fracture your sternum entirely, destroying your heart and lungs, instantly killing you. It is literally a death trap—you are wearing armor that acts as a perpetual spear directed at some of your most vulnerable body parts. It’s just not smart.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted August 06, 2015 04:02 PM |
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I wonder if trogs are large cores? The concept arts are good and while the tracker looks like Diablo 3 DH, you could also say that the demon hunter looks similar to Altair or Ezio, which came out before d3 
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted August 06, 2015 04:05 PM |
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I agree with what you say about the blink and the details that are not needed. I don't know if there is something in the Ashan lore about vanity in Dark elves, i was speaking about the Dark elven society in general where the females are mostly vain and self centered.
The spikes in the tracker are indeed unnecessary as hell both on her armor and also on the crossbow, but what to do...
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted August 06, 2015 04:07 PM |
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leiah2 said:
No no no, not less armor, just that it does not have to be so over the top with expensive things that don't add any sort of advantage, good quality armor is not something bad. For example the Tracker, if you fixed the shoulders, less spikes on the crossbow,
a cloak that is not ripped to shreds, fix the boob plate and maybe take away some more bling, they would be perfect to me. And yeah they like to attack from the sidelines and where their enemies can't see them, but the more bling and shiny golden and silver details they have it's easier to spot them. Vanity si not a reason to lose effectiveness in combat. Also, where in the lore does it say that they are vain? Probably missed that .
On the other hand.. they live centuries... What are they suppose do in all that time.. Blinging up your boobplates whyle your poison gets done or whyle your trog slave cuts the roots of a treant sounds like a good use of time.
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leiah2
Known Hero
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posted August 06, 2015 04:07 PM |
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articun said:
I agree with what you say about the blink and the details that are not needed. I don't know if there is something in the Ashan lore about vanity in Dark elves, i was speaking about the Dark elven society in general where the females are mostly vain and self centered.
The spikes in the tracker are indeed unnecessary as hell both on her armor and also on the crossbow, but what to do...
Yeah, it could have been a lot worse though  It could have been this (facepalm)
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted August 06, 2015 04:08 PM |
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Overdecorating isn't bad only from a visual standpoint, but they also affect efficiency. Adding pointless details like spikes also increase the number of polygons on the models ( triangles since they are used in a game). More polygons=more time needed for rendering=higher requirements=worse performance. Of course those are optimized for the game, but still, I've seen plenty of useless details pointlessly increasing the number of polygons. I will upload an example shortly to see what I'm talking about
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3lion
Known Hero
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posted August 06, 2015 04:17 PM |
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I can't help it but... I see this
I'm SO SORRY for this... It can't be unseen.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted August 06, 2015 04:20 PM |
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leiah2 said:
Now we’ll apply some science!
Let’s begin by stating the simple purpose of plate armor—to deflect blows from weaponry. Assuming that you are avoiding the blow of a sword, your armor should be designed so that the blade glances off your body, away from your chest. If your armor is breast-shaped, you are in fact increasing the likelihood that a blade blow will slide inward, toward the center of your chest, the very place you are trying to keep safe.
But that’s not all! Let’s say you even fall onto your boob-conscious armor. The divet separating each breast will dig into your chest, doing you injury. It might even break your breastbone. With a strong enough blow to the chest, it could fracture your sternum entirely, destroying your heart and lungs, instantly killing you. It is literally a death trap—you are wearing armor that acts as a perpetual spear directed at some of your most vulnerable body parts. It’s just not smart.
Objection TIME!!! Let us school and rant
I know it s not a common knowledge but plate armor was never worn directly on the skin, or even common clothes, It protects well from slashes and minor blunt shoots like stone, but it never stopped the energy so yea, you would not get a cut or a bruise but your bones would be a nice collection of organic inner shrapnels anyway.
Under the plate, or even chain or scale, another layer of thickly woven fabric would be worn, usually consisting of several lairs sewed together. These could be very hard, sometimes protecting more then the steal armor itself. if you would have a boob-plate armor (and there were such) and you would fall, the underlying layer of fabric would stop the steal from piercing your body. You would still most likely loose your breath or get a bone fracture, if the fall would be strong enough, but it would not pierce you.
It is more likely that you would cut your own head with your helmet then to pierce your chest with a boob-plate :-P
P.s. you rarely aim at armor, Leags, arms, head neck, those are your targets.
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted August 06, 2015 04:21 PM |
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3lion said:
I can't help it but... I see this
(image)
I'm SO SORRY for this... It can't be unseen.
You just exposed Dungeon's secret faction ability 
I like the Core units, but there's one thing I have to say about Stalker/Tracker. They look so pale, undead-pale. Imo, it looks like they were on the road to Necropolis but took a wrong turn, ending up in Dungeon instead .
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted August 06, 2015 04:22 PM |
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Hopefully we'll get the rest of the line up tmwr. They're just concept arts and we already know what half the champions look like.
About the pale stalkers...they live underground 
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 06, 2015 04:22 PM |
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The_green_drag said:
I wonder if trogs are large cores? The concept arts are good and while the tracker looks like Diablo 3 DH, you could also say that the demon hunter looks similar to Altair or Ezio, which came out before d3
IIRC in beta files troglodyte was "small" creature, all core was small
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted August 06, 2015 04:27 PM |
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The_green_drag said:
Hopefully we'll get the rest of the line up tmwr. They're just concept arts and we already know what half the champions look like.
About the pale stalkers...they live underground
If you check the portraits of H6's Dark Elf heroes (Yrris or Raelag for example), you'll see that their faces aren't as white-pink as the Strider. They have a purplish hue to it. Portrait 1 (scroll down) and here is Yrris. See what I mean? I think the Stalker is a bit...too white. If I may say it that way ...
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted August 06, 2015 04:30 PM |
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I see what you mean, but it's just concept arts
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted August 06, 2015 04:31 PM |
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The_green_drag said:
I see what you mean, but it's just concept arts
Could be, but the "Work in Progress" banner is not present, so maybe these artworks (or at least the 2D versions we see here) are already close to final, or already final .
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properkheldar
Famous Hero
Keeper of books
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posted August 06, 2015 04:35 PM |
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Core is nice and all, like the assasins (they were cool in H6, and the "hat" is hair).
The chtonians dissapoint me though. Trogs are cool, nice colouring. I was hoping that the upgrade would expand on this. Add mushrooms, moss etc with more vibrant colours. Maybe a spear, some "ragtag" armour or something. The gray caveshark doesnt work for me, looks a bit bland and strange. Oh well, hoping for the medusa now!
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"Man spends his life in reasoning on the past, in complaining of the present, in fearing future."
- Antoine Rivarol
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leiah2
Known Hero
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posted August 06, 2015 04:36 PM |
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Edited by leiah2 at 16:50, 06 Aug 2015.
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Dave_Jame said:
Objection TIME!!! Let us school and rant
I know it s not a common knowledge but plate armor was never worn directly on the skin, or even common clothes, It protects well from slashes and minor blunt shoots like stone, but it never stopped the energy so yea, you would not get a cut or a bruise but your bones would be a nice collection of organic inner shrapnels anyway.
Under the plate, or even chain or scale, another layer of thickly woven fabric would be worn, usually consisting of several lairs sewed together. These could be very hard, sometimes protecting more then the steal armor itself. if you would have a boob-plate armor (and there were such) and you would fall, the underlying layer of fabric would stop the steal from piercing your body. You would still most likely loose your breath or get a bone fracture, if the fall would be strong enough, but it would not pierce you.
It is more likely that you would cut your own head with your helmet then to pierce your chest with a boob-plate :-P
P.s. you rarely aim at armor, Legs, arms, head neck, those are your targets.
Obviously you did not understand what I meant, read all of it and you will see that I already mentioned things like having fabric under the armor (padded gambesons). I never said they would wear it directly onto the skin... Another thing I never said was that they would get cuts or that the armor would cut into the skin, I stated that it would dig into the chest and cause injury, I did not specifically point out that it was internal injuries but I thought I had made that clear on other parts, like you know fracturing your sternum. And this was about boob plates, not helmets.
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MiniaAr
Hired Hero
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posted August 06, 2015 04:40 PM |
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Lurker would have been much better as a core shooter, 2 dark elves aren't appealing. 
I like troggs a lot though
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leiah2
Known Hero
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posted August 06, 2015 04:53 PM |
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Edited by leiah2 at 16:55, 06 Aug 2015.
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Here is a more in-depth explanation as to why boob plates are bad.
It's purposely over-emphasized (the shape of the two spheres in the armor) so you can really think about this.
Look at the shape of the blue cups and the green line, think about the form of that on some beautiful ornate plate armor. A female warrior is charging into battle. In the midst of this, she trips! Or is pushed over, or takes a blow to the chest! So long as the force is on the front of her torso it really doesn’t matter for the conclusion:
She feels a sharp pain in her chest and hears the cracking of bone! Oh no, what’s gone wrong? Well she doesn’t have time to think about that, because she is now dead.
Her sternum just fractured, take another look at that green line, that’s where all of the pressure from any front impact is going to go because of the shape of the two blue cups made for her breasts. The rest of the armor slides around your body, but because of the two cups for breasts that are often made in fantasy female armors, the pressure point is directly on the sternum. The breasts are not going to stop the force of you falling onto them, and because of that the metal is going to push in and bash you in the sternum.
What does a fractured sternum do? Why it goes right into your heart and lungs of course.
It is usually possible to bind the breasts when fighting if they really are far too large to fit into regular looking armor (there’s padding anyway), but most women can actually fit into a similarly sized male counterpart’s armor quite easily. Even if that’s the case, the armor can be made to have a curve to it without putting all of the pressure in one area, which was actually a style of armor for quite some time.
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