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Kimarous
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posted August 07, 2015 08:38 PM |
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I don't really count "fictitious names to fictitious things" to be "made-up words." If something exists, it needs a name, and to ensure it isn't confused with something else, it NEEDS a name that doesn't exist yet. Something like "lembas" has an entirely original word, while something like "Shadowsteel" merges two existing words to serve as a specific descriptor.
I just don't think "this hammer is made of somithium" is comparable to "I was tumegulating with her."
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted August 07, 2015 08:55 PM |
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the graph is from a sarcastic web comic and I don't think the point is literally too many made up words equals a crap story, the point is simply don't overdo it, if you ever watched the movie John Carter of Mars you'll know what I mean, all that banter about the Jedek of the Tharks on Barsoom is impenetrable lol
just expressing as a member of the audience that I preferred the old approach of applying both reality and fantasy if you want an engaging "pick up and play" mythos for a strategy game, everyone knows exactly what mercury and sulfur are, everyone knows what a golem or a lich is, I have no idea what shadowsteel is or a strider is and have a bit of a hard time caring in the long run lol
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted August 07, 2015 08:58 PM |
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Although i like the strider and souless, i think that an extra set of limbs, preferably coming from its waist to remind more of an insect and probably scyths instead of actual palms.
But as a unit it fits Ashan dungeon more than manticore and shadow unicorn. A manticore was a wierd addition to dungeon from the start as i cannot imagine these beings living so deep underground. They are part lion/human/scorpion/bat so at most they could live in shallow caves and not deep underfround.
As for Shadow unicorns... the idea still comes as too alien for me...
Now mesusa has dissapointed me the most... not in terms of design as a unit but because it is a copy of pearl priestess... i kinda expected some more differentiation from the core units of sanctuary rather than a recoloration and minor tweaks... but at least she looks kinda decent. to be honest goving her a set of wings wouldnt hurt either.
Now the minotaurs... base is a redhead now, but the upgrade is very grey and black... i can understant the base being a cow-like model and the upgrade a bull-like-model but still i find it too monocolored...
All in all dungeon elite tier is good as overall. my only concern is that there is not much differentiatiom between base and upgrade form to distinctly distinguish the units on the adventure or battle map
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted August 07, 2015 09:02 PM |
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alcibiades said:
Elvin said:
3lion said:
Minastir said:
Strider - very mixed feeling about it, even though it fits dungeon as a puppet of faceless it lacks something, idk maybe with some weapon or another set of arms, it's just right now it doesn't seems like a elite creature
I believe that the point is to make it a little bit mysterious.
Also a little bit stupid. Disappointed, the unit had so much potential and they went with creepy mime.
I disagree. No matter whether you go with "mysterious" or "creepy", this is a generic creature which comes across as a filler, even if you manage to give it a look to convey one feeling or another. If you want a "creepy" atmosphere in the line-up, find an actually creature in some mythology/fairytale/fantasy universe that is actually creepy. Same if it's mysterious that you want. Making up random creatures and putting them instead of established creatures just makes people frustrated.
Actualy Alcibiades, i think the inspiration for Strider comes from urban lore and ia about the shady man or those long monsters seen climbing buildings with long legs and hands. or even from the shadows from jap folklore as seen in spirited away. So it is not to say that this unit is entirely without lore behind it if we search a bit more. Now it depends on how it moves. if it moves in a disturbing jap horror movie monster/ghost way it will add that creepy look and feel
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alexine
Known Hero
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posted August 07, 2015 09:19 PM |
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I hoped for strider to be a monster and not another humanoid  
Anyway do you think we will get new gameplay videos ? I cant find anything so far 
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted August 07, 2015 09:31 PM |
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Personally I had no doubt about it being humanoid though it looks slightly less disappointing than I thought which is good I suppose. Happy that the minotaur was not bathed in purple paint this time.
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted August 07, 2015 09:33 PM |
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Kimarous said:
I don't really count "fictitious names to fictitious things" to be "made-up words." If something exists, it needs a name, and to ensure it isn't confused with something else, it NEEDS a name that doesn't exist yet. Something like "lembas" has an entirely original word, while something like "Shadowsteel" merges two existing words to serve as a specific descriptor.
That's the problem with new resources. We have Shadowsteel and Dragonsteel - player always will remember second part of word: -steel and will be confused with both these resources.
Dragonblood Crystals are at least easy to remember - they are crystals after all, who care if dragon or natural?
Starsilver - same, it's silver.
Flamegold - gold (OK, we have already gold in game  ).
Even I don't remember all these name. For me Starsilver always will be meteorite, nothing more, and Moonsilk is just Spider silk (I never can't remmeber "moon" part).
Problem is not to find new names for resources in game - the problem always was to find names, which are easy to remember and not to be confused one with another. That's why Sulfur, Mercury, Gems and Crystals are better then 2x somesteel, somesilver and somecrystals.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted August 07, 2015 09:37 PM |
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Also do not forget the wonderful month names such as spider queen I sure hope we do not find those on game.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted August 07, 2015 09:40 PM |
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Why were the resources changed in the first place? there is literally no good reason for it.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted August 07, 2015 09:43 PM |
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To add lore ambiance unnecessary lore ambiance, but hey this is Ashan we have to be immersed or we will never ask for more.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted August 07, 2015 09:45 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
Why were the resources changed in the first place? there is literally no good reason for it.
because Erwin lol
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Vitirr
Known Hero
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posted August 07, 2015 09:52 PM |
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Actual inspiration for faceless and strider?
Seems like someone at Ubi really liked that film.
It is quite dissapointing also that both strider and faceless are so similar visually and there was no mention about it during the vote. Knowing it how many users would have voted differently?
By the way the matador is just awesome 
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Shiro
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 07, 2015 10:33 PM |
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Hello
It's my first post on this forum( I was a lurker for about 600 pages of this topic right now).
I just wanted to share my thoughts about design of the game.
I will start with factions
legend: 1/5 terrible 2/5 unsatisfying 3/5 could be better 4/5 okay 5/5 great ung-unupgraded upg-upgraded
THE GRADES ARE REFERING ONLY TO DESIGN NOT ABILLITIES
Haven
Crossbowman ung 3/5 upg 3/5 too much armor decent ability
Sentinel ung 3/5 upg 3/5 again too much armor useful ability
dire wolf ung 4,5/5 upg 4,5/5 the new griffin overally I really like it(not sure what the second ability means) I don't like the red eyes
Guardian ung 1/5 upg 2/5 the abillities are good though preffered the Templar this girls look weaker than core creatures
Cavalier ung 3/5 upg 4/5 the unupgraded has too much armor decent abilities
Chaplain ung 4.5/5 upg 4/5 I ilke it mostly becaus it's not overdesigned don't like the abilities(devs bring back spellbooks!)
Landsknecht This one is tough for me because I don't know what the growth rate will be if it's the same as the angel I simply don't like the idea of human being better fighter than angel
ung 3.5/5 upg 3.5/5 tha rate would be higher if it won't compare with other champion creatures could have more intresting abilities
Seraph ung 3.5/5 upg 3.5/5 again too much armor quite normal abilities for an angel
Townscreen after upgrades 4/5
Academy
Cabir ung 3.5/5 upg 3.5/5 Love it but why is it sooooo big I think it should be gremlin size not dragon decent abillity
Gargoyle ung 3/5 upg 3/5 nothing special should have more abbilities right now it's boring
Golem ung 4.5/5 upg 5/5 I think the new golem looks simply great but it could have one more abbility for example some magic immunity
Djinn ung 4/5 upg 4/5 I don't like the abillities again miss the spellcasters
Rakshasa ung 5/5 upg 5/5 looks better than the h5(my favourite heroes game) decent abbilities but quite boring
Apprentice ung 4.5/5 upg 5/5 again WE NEED SPELLBOOKS without them the unit will be super boring
Arcane Eagle ung 4/5 upg 4.5/5 don't like the stars around them right now but from what I remeber this are going to be corrected right? Interesting abilities we will see if it how usefull are them.
Colosus ung 3.5/5 upg 4/5 I prefered the old design of unit boring abbilities there should at least one more interesting ability
Townscreen I can live with it 4/5
Necropolis
I will only rate new units (lich vampire) the old were jus terible
Skeleton ung 4.5/5 upg 1/5 The upgrade has spikes weird armor and weird weapons hate it I don't mind it has no abilities dor me this one creature is supposed to be weak(but it should have very big growth rate)
Ghost ung 3/5 upg 2/5 I don't like them too blury boring ability(h5 ability was a lot better)
Spiders 4/5 3.5/5 I know you will hate me but as a units this are quite well made upgrade has some weird colors But overally is decent
Ability could be more interesting(or simply add one more ability)
Vampire ung 4.5/5 upg 4.7/5 Love them I wolud like them to look a litlle bit more like Nosferatu or other beasts. I like the abilities(but my dream is to see them tranform to bats and have flying ability)
Lich ung 5/5 upg 4.5/5 Just not the biggest fan of upgrade armor abillities again spellbooks...
Lamasu ung 1/5 upg 1/5 I like the concept but this look sooooo bad also hate the ability
Grim Rider ung 5/5 upg 5/5 WOW WOW WOW also great ability
Bone Dragon ung 2/5 upg 1.5/5 doesn't look like bone dragon at all decent abilities
Townscreen 1/5 I don't know where to start spiderlegs the building placement Why is it so empty half of the city inside is empty.
Stronghold
Brute ung 4/5 upg 4/5 simply ok
Harpy ung 4/5 upg 4.5/5 classic abilities new design which is solid
gnoll ung 4/5 upg 3.7/5 would preffer some othe helmet not sure about ability
centaur ung 3/5 upg 3/5 that bikini... aibilities are ok
wyvern ung 2/5 upg 2/5 This unitg here is a reat idea but why does it look like a chicken seriously... classic abilities
Basilisk ung 4.5/5 upg 4.5/5 would preffer other armor rest is great I like the abilities
Cyclops ung 3/5 upg 4/5 I am not sure about the fiery eye ability (In heroes 5 it was weird)
Behemoth ung 5/5 upg 5/5 again unit which for me has perfect design I don't know what to think about jumping ability
Townscreen 4.5/5 Very good the champion buildings should be placed better
Sylvan
Firstly too much girls... that looks a bit like fairies town not elves town.
Hunter ung 4.5/5 upg 4.5/5 classical ability
Dryad ung 4.5/5 upg 4.5/5 don't like the abilities without treants this units will be terrible
Pixie ung 4/5 upg 4.6/5 look difrent i like it Why two spirits in one town I can't understand some of the voters abilities should be more interesting
druid ung 3/5 upg 3.5/5 boring unit next female spellbooks...
doe/deer ung 5/5 upg 5/5 suprisingle for me this are great both capture the magical forest atmosphere average abilities could be better but also could be worse
blade dancer ung 3/5 upg 4/5 Why this indian look ? But i like it's quite simple design. average abilities
Dragon ung 4.5/5 2/5 What happend to his face!? ok abilities
Treant ung 4.7/5 4/5 From what I remember the blue light is going to be fixed if it will the rate will be probaby somwhere near 4.7 with dryads this unit can be quite interesting but I have mixed feelings about shooting ability
Townscreen 4.7/5 The best townscreen right now the building placement could be better
Overall about game.
Skill system looks like upgraded h3 system which is not bad(but h5 system was better)
I don't like ashan factions enroth were simply more interesting.
I don't understand why there are so many overdesigned creatures.
I don't like the idea of 2d townscreens 3d are better also I wolud preffer more realistic towns style than this "cartoonish".
Also miss the old initiative system(this one from h5).
Uff that was a lot of writing
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted August 07, 2015 10:58 PM |
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I like Strider. It looks a little bit freaky and I like it. Medusa is Coral Priestess with tweaked colours - that was unexpected. They look fine. Minotaurs look cool, especially the upgrade.
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malax83
Famous Hero
Game ranger, HotA Player
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posted August 08, 2015 12:05 AM |
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After the shock of the soulless...
NWC can return in his own tomb.
RiP.
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malax83
Famous Hero
Game ranger, HotA Player
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posted August 08, 2015 12:09 AM |
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No seriously why is there a sexual pervert in the dungeon line up ?
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Sempai
Known Hero
Ubi is love
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posted August 08, 2015 12:24 AM |
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Edited by Sempai at 00:27, 08 Aug 2015.
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Moshi's daily routine manuals on SC
1. Check for Senpai comments. Delete each third.
2. Check for Galaad's comments. Delete everything. Suspend.
3. Answer to other random guys with random questions with "ok I will pass it to the team".
4. Never pass it to the team.
5. Check if Sempai is using nicknames in comments. Delete all of them.
6. Ask Sempai to refrain from using nicknames in his messages because other will have to retaliate.
7. Add few days on Galaad's suspension.
8. Ask to keep atmosphere friendly.
9. Never delete russian threads with thousands of comments about daily deeds and dating chats.
10. Ask to keep atmosphere friendly.
11. Search for a word "gay". Delete. Gays are offensive. Shouldn't be on SC.
12. Ask people to refrain from offtopic comments.
13. Don't delete long offtopic threads which annoy.
14. Delete Sempai's comments about spiders.
15. Delete all comments about spiders.
16. Delete all new Galaad's comments.
17. Add 1 week to Galaad's suspension.
18. Delete new Erwinner's arts about Erwin.
19. Ask to keep atmosphere friendly.
20. Check for new Galaad's fake accounts.
21. Ask Galaad to refrain from personal attacks on mediczero.
22. Add few more days on Galaad's main account suspension.
23. Check if the atmosphere is friendly.
24. Check if Senpai is breaking the rules. If no, delete every third comment.
25. Answer on questions of users illusively. Use "Maybe, let's wait and see, possible, perhaps, some day".
26. Ignore Senpai's butthurt.
27. Never respond to Sempai.
28. Never explain reasons of your actions.
29. Check if there are other guys discussing older chapters.
30. Ask them to refrain from offtopic and start to discuss new awesome screenshots in a current thread.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted August 08, 2015 12:29 AM |
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Sounds like someone is getting a big paycheck to do these things.
malax83 said:
No seriously why is there a sexual pervert in the dungeon line up ?
Nobody knows. Many expected a bug-like appearance. Like it was promised.
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted August 08, 2015 01:01 AM |
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malax83 said:
No seriously why is there a sexual pervert in the dungeon line up ?
If you think that looks like a sexual pervert, I question what you've been looking up...
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted August 08, 2015 01:09 AM |
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Kimarous said:
If you think that looks like a sexual pervert, I question what you've been looking up...
I'd say Anime
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