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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 08, 2015 01:16 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 01:16, 08 Aug 2015.
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Buhaha! Two re-used models (well they gave Minotaur "the pose" to "hide" the fact that it's a re-used H6 model) and an unoriginal pervert unit (and another humanoid to boot!). Some line-up this is...
But seriously, those must be the worse line-ups in the series history. Why are so many units humanoid = boring? Even H1 had more diversity per town...
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted August 08, 2015 01:21 AM |
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kiryu133 said:
Kimarous said:
If you think that looks like a sexual pervert, I question what you've been looking up... 
I'd say Anime
Can't be that. It's not a dirty old man, obese guy, or underage boy.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted August 08, 2015 01:22 AM |
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medusa as a spellcasting creature is not welcome for me since we allready have elites as mage creatures in academy, haven, necro and sylvan.. its like an obligatory thing to have a mage creature as elite in all faction line-ups.. a little change wouldnt hurt, diversity matters... i hope she have unique abilities at least.
i hope that slenderman is inhumanly tall so it may look slightly different then regulardark elven units, because, after all, its a humanoid creature..
minotaur is 10/10. it became flawless with latest design.
big number of humanoid creatures, thats also worriying. with absence of evil eye/manticore, this ashan dungeon became less beast-like.. reminds me of h5 dungeon line up which i hate... well at least it doesnt have some stupid dinosaur riders and nymphomaniac elves.
recolored h6 dungeon line-up seems much better then this.
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted August 08, 2015 01:24 AM |
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cleglaw said:
i hope that slenderman is inhumanly tall so it may look slightly different then regulardark elven units, because, after all, its a humanoid creature.
It's supposedly a multi-tile model, so I'm guessing it's a big one. 
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted August 08, 2015 01:27 AM |
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Kimarous said:
cleglaw said:
i hope that slenderman is inhumanly tall so it may look slightly different then regulardark elven units, because, after all, its a humanoid creature.
It's supposedly a multi-tile model, so I'm guessing it's a big one.
glad to hear that! i ll also wait to see animation, if it also turns out as i expect -like a creepy puppet- then i may really like it.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted August 08, 2015 01:28 AM |
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People here need to get out more. You did the headcount wrong tho.
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WhiteFang
Hired Hero
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posted August 08, 2015 06:37 AM |
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ThatRedSarah said:
What have they done to my dungeon  
Im am not happy at all.....
Soulless
Here we go..... I hate him He is not scary at all. Just really annoying! Like a stupid mime with hes invisible walls. He doesnt fit the line up at all. I cant believe they created something like that in the first place. I am so frustrated at the moment.... I hate him! I want my Manticore!!
Overall conclusion:
...so bad.... my enthusiasm towards H7 has suffered a major hit 
I can't agree more. Seriously. What the **** is wrong with Limbic and Ubisoft? When I saw that horrendous emerald dragon few weeks ago, I thought there could be no other unit worse than that in the entire Heroes series.
Then we get this ridiculously absurd humanoid creature with the mask of faceless. Wow, just wow. I am speechless. Strider / Soulless is just so awful that I simply can't tolerate its presence.
Dungeon has always been my favorite faction from Heroes 1, but Ubi/Limbic just ruined Dungeon by simply adding one creature that is really absurd and beyond horrendous.
In fact, if I end up playing dungeon campagin, I am not going to even recruit this creature. I will just play without this non-sense unit.I simply can't tolerate this creature in dungeon army.
I really don't understand why we couldn't have manticore or even nightmares instead of this horrible strider. In fact, if Ubi/Limbic really wanted to use that "mask of faceless" again, why couldn't they just simply recyle Faceless in Heroes 6? At least, they were ok.
By far, the worst creature and the worst design in the entire Heores series. To me, dungeon filled with purple all over the place is 1000 times better than dungeon with this absurd and out of place creature.
Thanks Ubi/Limbic. If your goal was to let down Dungeon/Sylvan fans, you have succeeded enormously...at least in my case.
Those two factions used to be my favorite factions by far, but thanks to your work, I guess I will play stronghold and necropolis in Heroes 7.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted August 08, 2015 07:08 AM |
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Above post is perfect example how people on HC react. Sentences like this are most amusing part:
WhiteFang said:
... but Ubi/Limbic just ruined Dungeon by simply adding one creature ...
Lol. Spoken like true fan.
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted August 08, 2015 07:10 AM |
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Raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted August 08, 2015 08:45 AM |
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I personally don't mind the Soulless. It is better than I was afraid it would be and I prefer it to the faceless themselves. I don't care for the base but the upgrade's warped, flowing design easily distinguishes it from any Academy creations, I don't even think it looks like a construct.
But overall I was a bit disappointed by the elites.
My favorite mythological unit is by far the minotaur and I was excited to see what it would be like in this game, and while I am really glad they got rid of the purple it is still a shame that they are reusing the old model.
The medusa is a bit boring and I would have liked it if they had stuck more to the art they showed with the bow and rattlesnake lower body.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted August 08, 2015 10:10 AM |
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articun said:
Actualy Alcibiades, i think the inspiration for Strider comes from urban lore and ia about the shady man or those long monsters seen climbing buildings with long legs and hands. or even from the shadows from jap folklore as seen in spirited away. So it is not to say that this unit is entirely without lore behind it if we search a bit more. Now it depends on how it moves. if it moves in a disturbing jap horror movie monster/ghost way it will add that creepy look and feel
I fully agree about the likeness to the shadow/faceless in Spirited Away, I used that same association back when Heroes 6 Faceless was introduced, and I actually think Heroes 6 Faceless was a good addition to the series because they did have those roots and at the same time filled an important space in Ashan lore (like that or not), namely as one of the original core races along with the Angels. Which all the more emphasizes the pointlesness of the Strider: Because now we actually did have a perfectly good creature drawing on those roots and already established in game lore and previous game chapters - so why is it we now need a new creature that at one hand fills the same spot yet at the same time makes things even more convoluted and stretching the endless web of Ashan lore even thinner?
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted August 08, 2015 11:02 AM |
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alcibiades said:
I fully agree about the likeness to the shadow/faceless in Spirited Away, I used that same association back when Heroes 6 Faceless was introduced, and I actually think Heroes 6 Faceless was a good addition to the series because they did have those roots and at the same time filled an important space in Ashan lore (like that or not), namely as one of the original core races along with the Angels. Which all the more emphasizes the pointlesness of the Strider: Because now we actually did have a perfectly good creature drawing on those roots and already established in game lore and previous game chapters - so why is it we now need a new creature that at one hand fills the same spot yet at the same time makes things even more convoluted and stretching the endless web of Ashan lore even thinner?
Faceless are a good addition, but their position in Elite tier makes no sense since they're supposed to be a dying race like the angels. Why would a dying race with the power to control other beings throw themselves directly into the fray? Fighting through proxies like the Striders/Soulless makes perfect sense. It's not "stretching the lore thinner", it's "filling plotholes".
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted August 08, 2015 11:11 AM |
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WhiteFang said:
In fact, if I end up playing dungeon campagin, I am not going to even recruit this creature. I will just play without this non-sense unit.I simply can't tolerate this creature in dungeon army.
I really don't understand why we couldn't have manticore or even nightmares instead of this horrible strider. In fact, if Ubi/Limbic really wanted to use that "mask of faceless" again, why couldn't they just simply recyle Faceless in Heroes 6? At least, they were ok.
By far, the worst creature and the worst design in the entire Heores series. To me, dungeon filled with purple all over the place is 1000 times better than dungeon with this absurd and out of place creature.
1. You never know, the objective might be to recruit soulless.
2. That was the proposed line-up. I agree, we have voiced our matters during and after the voting the manticore and lurker have to be added. Even faceless, as you say, could've been added.
3. Now, don't you be tempting Ubi to make the wrong decision. Color coding was bad, especially with that excess of purple.
Kimarous said:
Fighting through proxies like the Striders/Soulless makes perfect sense. It's not "stretching the lore thinner", it's "filling plotholes".
Didn't they say soulless are constructs made of shadowsteel, which is basically faceless blood or something?
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted August 08, 2015 11:30 AM |
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While i do like the Soulless/strider i can agree the spot should've been filled with something with an actual base in pop-culture/mythology. This isn't really it.
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted August 08, 2015 11:36 AM |
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@Kimarous yeah, that's a good point.
It's interesting, I remember back in the votings, I voted for the first lineup mostly because it was a big no for striders, didn't like the idea of constructs at that time. And nightmares could be fitting, although faceless in elite tier was a big flaw, imo (they could have exchanged positions with hydra).
But anyway, I've changed my mind a bit about these constructs, I think they can be a good unit. Since dungeon is getting an otherworldly alien touch, I think striders can represent these twisted bizarre automatons, the madness of the abyss. Instead of representing brute force like most of bulky constructs, it is that creepy, mysterious, unthinkable thing. Good animations can help a lot here. It's definitely distinguishable from academy constructs (as Reanus noted above).
Minastir said:
yup 2x2, beta:
Good pic, so 60hp, I wonder if it's supposed to be our average elite (lvl 5 unit) or level 4 elite.
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Zeki
Supreme Hero
sup
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posted August 08, 2015 11:52 AM |
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Minastir said:
@Zeki You have actually played the duel, how big strider was, compared to other creatures ?
They are very tall. Maybe tallest creature that was available there. Also, as it's arms are almost as long as it's legs they take up spme space aswell. About the animation it's a very thin border between creepy like in a horror movie and looking ridiculously stupid and im not sure to what side it tends to more..
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted August 08, 2015 12:06 PM |
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Kimarous said:
alcibiades said:
I fully agree about the likeness to the shadow/faceless in Spirited Away, I used that same association back when Heroes 6 Faceless was introduced, and I actually think Heroes 6 Faceless was a good addition to the series because they did have those roots and at the same time filled an important space in Ashan lore (like that or not), namely as one of the original core races along with the Angels. Which all the more emphasizes the pointlesness of the Strider: Because now we actually did have a perfectly good creature drawing on those roots and already established in game lore and previous game chapters - so why is it we now need a new creature that at one hand fills the same spot yet at the same time makes things even more convoluted and stretching the endless web of Ashan lore even thinner?
Faceless are a good addition, but their position in Elite tier makes no sense since they're supposed to be a dying race like the angels. Why would a dying race with the power to control other beings throw themselves directly into the fray? Fighting through proxies like the Striders/Soulless makes perfect sense. It's not "stretching the lore thinner", it's "filling plotholes".
Indeed, I never liked the Faceless as Elite, I always wanted them as Champions. If I could make a Dungeon line-up, I'd probably go for:
Core:
Troglodyte
Assassin
Shadow Witch/Medusa or Evil Eye
Elite:
Minotaur
Manticore
Hydra
Champion:
Black Dragon
Faceless
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 08, 2015 12:14 PM |
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I always considered h6 medusa model to be very good. The new colors don't look as good IMO. First form has great lower body in terms of color, but I dislike the top coloring(did she kill 3 faceless just to get their masks to her staff btw?) The upgrade would've looked a lot better with black snakes/hair and overall darker colors(no need for the little extra decorations either really)
Strider...(sighs...) Unit that seems completely out of place... Anywhere... Don't like the design at all personally. If the upgrade didn't have broader torso and sharper claws I would say it looks like the beta version and the basic form the final version being so "neat and polished". Nightmare sounds like such a great unit at the moment to replace this and so would manticore. Faceless was always kinda neutral unit to me(didn't really like or dislike), probably most negative thing about it to me was that it was dark-elemental essentially with mask and extra ability in h6.
Basic form of minotaur looks nice(was good in h6 too). Upgrade I would prefer as black, get rid of spikes in the blade with no function(aside stopping blade from sinking to the enemy as well as it should...!). Also doesn't need other ornaments like to weapon and pieces of armor/belt(I would hardly think these creatures care about stuff like that...) Ohh yeah and hate the nose-ring. It looks absolutely ridiculous and if you know what they are really for you would realize it probably wouldn't work too well on humanoid bull that has an axe
Don't like dungeon overall so far.
Troglo is out of place alien
Assassin just looks freakish(hated the model in h6 too and they made it possibly even worse!)
Stalker cheap copy of d3 Vala
Medusa another h6 copy with worse coloring, but it was good model at least
Strider... Just awful..
Minotaur looks overall pretty good(always hated it as unit in the series and wanted to kick it out of dungeon!)
Hydra basic form looked good in concept, but 2nd form is again another alien...
Black dragon I already fear that they will re-use the h6 model which was worst in the series.
Overall I have very little hopes for the faction/game in the initial state. Maybe they will looks good in the game as 3d-models, but I highly doubt that since usually their concepts were much better than the actual 3d-models
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Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
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posted August 08, 2015 12:26 PM |
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Aha! The revenge of Daemons!
I knew already Dungeon would feel bad, and my suspicions were true after all!
After I figure out the exact procedure to adapt 3d models for HVII though, I'll replace the Strider with something I have in mind, at least we can try to salvage this mess...
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ANTUDO
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keldaur
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 08, 2015 12:41 PM |
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I like the artwork from the models presented. The strider seems weird, but much better than the faceless withouth those wings.
Now let's see how the game actually works which is far way more important for me than disliking one unit artwork.
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