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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted September 09, 2015 11:18 AM |
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merenefere1282 said:
Marzhin said:
I'd rather focus on adding new things ^^
Maybe you can also add mobile units feature from H4?
That would require extensive coding, so no, that is beyond the scope of this project.
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted September 09, 2015 11:20 AM |
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EnergyZ said:
There is a problem. Anyone who has played H4 campaigns knows well how long the writing is. Not saying the length of the text is the problem, but how will it be recreated in here?
We have text boxes in H7 too, you know 
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 09, 2015 11:23 AM |
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kiryu133 said:
They're design decisions Based on lore rather than design decisions based on making interesting gameplay, which is what at least I (and I believe many others) are against. We want lore to be a result of gameplay, not gameplay to be a result of Lore.
Ugh.. Sweety no one put a gun on anyone's head to base the those designs on lore. Someone decided to do that. Someone decided to make gameplay a result of the lore. Whatever the lore! Lore is not the problem here. Why are you people so hellbent to demonize ashan? Damn H6...
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 09, 2015 11:40 AM |
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here's the question of the year: rather than customizing Heroes 7 to do what it wasn't built to do, why not create these, long unfinished and forgotten about Heroes 4 scripts, as Heroes 4 campaigns? lol
also how do us lowly peasants get in touch with Terry Ray? is it possible to ask him some questions about his story and say thank you? lol
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 09, 2015 11:43 AM |
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What the hell are you all talking about?
Lore dictating 7 magic schools, is one thing.
Not being able to make that part work, is another one completely.
HoMM 4 and Heroes on BF proved, you can make the impossible work.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 09, 2015 12:12 PM |
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It cannot work for what it's presented to be. Sure, you can twist 7 elements into 4 magic schools or whatever, but that's just not how it is, is it?
At any rate, lore doesn't help at all, it's just a hurdle for gameplay.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted September 09, 2015 12:25 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 12:25, 09 Sep 2015.
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I wouldn't really call lore much of a hindrance.
Plenty of lore has been retconned already.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 09, 2015 12:30 PM |
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Not for gameplay, only for creativity.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 09, 2015 12:34 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 12:35, 09 Sep 2015.
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Avirosb said:
I wouldn't really call lore much of a hindrance.
Plenty of lore has been retconned already.
Okay, lol.
"In the world of Ashan, there are 4 magic schools: Light, Dark, Destructive and Summoning" -> changes to 7 magic schools
Nice retcon brah.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted September 09, 2015 12:35 PM |
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Edited by jhb at 12:39, 09 Sep 2015.
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@JollyJoker
oh, I agree with you there. 3, 4, 5, 7 or 9 schools, the main difference is prob the effort you'll have to put there.
My only point on this subject is that I think they chose 7, because they thought/decided it was cooler for the game.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted September 09, 2015 12:43 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 12:45, 09 Sep 2015.
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Stevie said:
Okay, lol.
"In the world of Ashan, there are 4 magic schools: Light, Dark, Destructive and Summoning" -> changes to 7 magic schools
Nice retcon brah.
What if...there were 7 magic schools the whole time  
The people living during H5 just got their facts wrong, that's right, H6 and 7 takes place before H5 after all 
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 09, 2015 12:44 PM |
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lore isn't a hindrance, lore on its own is just lore, it's just there, take it or leave it lol
the problem is Erwin's introduced decision to turn lore into "Universe Commandments" and enforced "guidelines", either by command or by selective suggestion, which is the most moronic approach when you design a turn-based strategy game with a legacy lol
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 09, 2015 12:49 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 12:50, 09 Sep 2015.
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"There are seven types of resources in the world of Ashan. They are Wood, Ore, Gold, Gems, Crystals, Sulfur and Mercury. Your hero can collect them during his travels."
Brilliant and critically acclaimed retcon followed, lol.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Doomhammer
Known Hero
Smasher of pasties
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posted September 09, 2015 12:54 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
EnergyZ said:
There is a problem. Anyone who has played H4 campaigns knows well how long the writing is. Not saying the length of the text is the problem, but how will it be recreated in here?
In-engine cutscenes, duh 
Yeah, but I think there are some limitations to it. Imagine Milton being beaten up by Worton or the brawl of Waerjak and Wulgar in a tavern.
I just feel portraying it in cutscenes would just lose a bit of its charm, rather than written up.
Totally agree The written story in the campaign's of Heroes 4 is what made me love it. Cutscenes can not recreate that kind of charm.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted September 09, 2015 01:05 PM |
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@Stevie
One of my favourite retcons:
Quote:
Vengeful spirits from a forgotten age, the Rakshasas have lingered on the fringes of Ashan for millennia. Thirsty for revenge, these creatures have been rediscovered by Wizard travellers who - after many unsuccessful attempts - managed to summon and control them efficiently. The Rakshasa Rani are an imposing force on the battlefield, intimidating the enemy with their multi-armed, lion-headed bodies and wickedly sharpened blades. So fearful are their attacks that the enemy is unable to retaliate against them.
And now, they are beastman
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 09, 2015 01:05 PM |
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Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
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posted September 09, 2015 01:09 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
@Stevie
One of my favourite retcons:
Quote:
Vengeful spirits from a forgotten age, the Rakshasas have lingered on the fringes of Ashan for millennia. Thirsty for revenge, these creatures have been rediscovered by Wizard travellers who - after many unsuccessful attempts - managed to summon and control them efficiently. The Rakshasa Rani are an imposing force on the battlefield, intimidating the enemy with their multi-armed, lion-headed bodies and wickedly sharpened blades. So fearful are their attacks that the enemy is unable to retaliate against them.
And now, they are beastman
Honestly, reading this makes me feel like H5's Ashan was better (at the exception of the campaigns.) it feels more like a completely fantastical universe, while the new ones are too embedded into this dragon messy affair.
Oh well, Griffin Eternal I guess?
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Noli offendere Patriam Agathae quia ultrix iniuriarum est.
ANTUDO
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 09, 2015 01:13 PM |
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Neraus said:
Honestly, reading this makes me feel like H5's Ashan was better (at the exception of the campaigns.)
I agree with this, and I consider H5 Ashan to be awful already, so that tells a lot about this setting. IMO we had three games set there, and seeing how Ashan is generally received by most, a new setting wouldn't hurt, on the contrary.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 09, 2015 01:15 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 13:16, 09 Sep 2015.
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frostymuaddib said:
@Stevie
One of my favourite retcons:
Quote:
Vengeful spirits from a forgotten age, the Rakshasas have lingered on the fringes of Ashan for millennia. Thirsty for revenge, these creatures have been rediscovered by Wizard travellers who - after many unsuccessful attempts - managed to summon and control them efficiently. The Rakshasa Rani are an imposing force on the battlefield, intimidating the enemy with their multi-armed, lion-headed bodies and wickedly sharpened blades. So fearful are their attacks that the enemy is unable to retaliate against them.
And now, they are beastman
Oh, let's not even mention the half demon / beastment retcons with the Orcs and Academy creatures. Or the three moons in Ashan causing Week ofs. But those were not as badly influential on gameplay as magic and resources.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted September 09, 2015 01:16 PM |
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GRIFFIN ETERNAL
*Casts implosion*
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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