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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted November 09, 2015 04:36 PM |
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There was yelling, but it was pointless. And I'm not sure that there will be next time.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted November 09, 2015 04:36 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
The_green_drag said:
The lack of variety is just catching up. And there are but a handful of skrimish maps and only 3 large ones....
They didn't learn anything from H6. It also had very few maps, and in the end they added campaign maps as skirmish ones in 50 shades of purple expansion, which was just lol.
And I hear that RMG in H7 just sucks. Also, not to mention idiotic AI, that just dumbs the game even more. I mean, you got patch 1.4.1, and there is still stupid AI and Out of Sync bug...
The worse thing is that community was talking, no yelling, about these issues since the beta, and it was ignored.
I will disagree with you this time. Sure, H7 is far from perfect just now. But Ubilimbic is trying. Although their way of listening to community and feedback is very strange and questionable, releasing The road ahead article and colour saturation improved gave me new hope for this game.
Sure the release was a disaster, and I will definitely not defend Ubi for this, it is unacceptable and I will not preorder next time (as well as many other people because we are not stupid, we learn from our faults). But it happened and we have no way how to take it back. The only thing we can do right now is to wait for following dozens of patches and write our feedback (which can be forgotten or not, but it is a hope). And finally, if especially technical problems like AI, crashing and optimalization for not so powerful computers is fixed, this game has a big chance to be very good. Many good decisions were done compared to H6.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 09, 2015 04:47 PM |
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Antalyan said:
And finally, if especially technical problems like AI, crashing and optimalization for not so powerful computers is fixed, this game has a big chance to be very good. Many good decisions were done compared to H6.
Which are?
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted November 09, 2015 04:48 PM |
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Antalyan said:
I will disagree with you this time. Sure, H7 is far from perfect just now. But Ubilimbic is trying.
it's too little too late, the game's reception is already a big smelly stain on the franchise and bad press is very hard to overcome for a niche series,
the damage is already done and worth writing off no matter how they try after the fact, even if they've learned every lesson under the sun lol
Antalyan said:
Sure the release was a disaster, and I will definitely not defend Ubi for this, it is unacceptable and I will not preorder next time (as well as many other people because we are not stupid, we learn from our faults).
Heroes 7 is next time lol
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted November 09, 2015 04:54 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Antalyan said:
And finally, if especially technical problems like AI, crashing and optimalization for not so powerful computers is fixed, this game has a big chance to be very good. Many good decisions were done compared to H6.
Which are?
Several examples:
- more resources
- no town conversion
- better town portaling
- less repetitive missions
- better skillsystem (in this point you might disagree, but I insist on the fact that H6 system was much worse than H7 one. Of course, H5 system is still the best).
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted November 09, 2015 04:56 PM |
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Antalyan said:
Sure the release was a disaster, and I will definitely not defend Ubi for this, it is unacceptable and I will not preorder next time (as well as many other people because we are not stupid, we learn from our faults).
Heroes 7 is next time lol
I have not preordered H6... one of the few I guess
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted November 09, 2015 05:05 PM |
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Antalyan said:
I have not preordered H6... one of the few I guess
you still had the benefit of everyone else's hard-gained experience, I mean even before the first H7 "beta" the writing was on the wall lol
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted November 09, 2015 05:09 PM |
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Antalyan said:
releasing The road ahead article and colour saturation improved gave me new hope for this game.
In case you haven't noticed yet the whole Shadow Council is only a marketing tool which sole purpose is to build hype, since 99% of the feedback given down there got ignored.
Let me just ask you, how many times did the blog gave you hope only to crush it later?
Antalyan said:
Many good decisions were done compared to H6.
Oh you mean the failed attempt to re-implement what should have had never been removed in the first place or the removal of stuff no one asked for?
Besides, Heroes 6 is not a good reference anyway, something being better than it doesn't mean it's good.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted November 09, 2015 05:12 PM |
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verriker said:
Antalyan said:
I have not preordered H6... one of the few I guess
you still had the benefit of everyone else's hard-gained experience, I mean even before the first H7 "beta" the writing was on the wall lol
I was very naive to believe the H6 was an exception of bad development and the game quality immediately after the release was caused by Black Hole colaps...
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted November 09, 2015 05:17 PM |
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In case you haven't noticed yet the whole Shadow Council is only a marketing tool which sole purpose is to build hype, since 99% of the feedback given down there got ignored.
Let me just ask you, how many times did the blog gave you hope only to crush it later?
That's true, many times. But it cannot steal me the hope, especially when nothing more left.
Antalyan said:
Many good decisions were done compared to H6.
Oh you mean the failed attempt to re-implement what should have had never been removed in the first place or the removal of stuff no one asked for?
Besides, Heroes 6 is not a good reference anyway, something being better than it doesn't mean it's good.
H6 is not a good reference, as well as H4, no doubt about it.
But thanks to that, H7 will probably become the third best Heroes, if Ubilimbic keeps their promises, then maybe even better (really low chance, though).
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted November 09, 2015 05:21 PM |
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Antalyan said:
I will disagree with you this time.
Fair enough 
Antalyan said:
Sure, H7 is far from perfect just now. But Ubilimbic is trying. Although their way of listening to community and feedback is very strange and questionable, releasing The road ahead article and colour saturation improved gave me new hope for this game.
As Verriker already said, damage is done. And there were ways to avoid that by listening the feedback. And, yes, Limbic is trying (not Ubi, though  ) and in a way, I feel sorry for them. But still, stupid AI and multiplayer not working in 7th installment of the game? I mean, they had six previous games, both good and bad, to learn from and what did they do? They took H6 (the worst game in the series, not counting H7, imo) as inspiration for everything. The only thing that they took from H5 was skillwheel. But how? They just noticed that it is shaped as a wheel, and said: 'ok, make H6-based skill system, but shape it as a wheel'. Really?
Antalyan said:
Sure the release was a disaster, and I will definitely not defend Ubi for this, it is unacceptable and I will not preorder next time (as well as many other people because we are not stupid, we learn from our faults). But it happened and we have no way how to take it back. The only thing we can do right now is to wait for following dozens of patches and write our feedback (which can be forgotten or not, but it is a hope).
This is the story from H6 all over again...
Antalyan said:
And finally, if especially technical problems like AI, crashing and optimalization for not so powerful computers is fixed, this game has a big chance to be very good.
I can't agree that it can be good, casue I'm subjective. I don't like it's core elements, that won't change. AI needs complete revamp, I think Heroes 1 had better combat AI! As for optimization, I do not think that there is a problem with slow computers only. I have a strong machine, and I remember H7 beta... It was slow as ****. I guess it is in better state now, but people are still complaining. And I do not expect to need the best computer to play TBS.
Antalyan said:
But thanks to that, H7 will probably become the third best Heroes, if Ubilimbic keeps their promises, then maybe even better (really low chance, though).
Somehow, I do not see H7 beating H2, H3 or H5...
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 09, 2015 06:01 PM |
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted November 09, 2015 06:18 PM |
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Stevie said:
Why are we still arguing over what is obviously a failed game?
Ashan never fails lol
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted November 09, 2015 06:21 PM |
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Datapack said:
Stevie said:
Why are we still arguing over what is obviously a failed game?
Ashan never fails lol
Ashan undying!
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted November 09, 2015 09:13 PM |
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In my memory the biggest problem with the heroes 6 release was the complete lack of support and patches. Sure the game was a wreck on release, but unlike h7 the few patches took ages and communication was nihil. A buggy release like that of h7 is annoying, but at least there is much patch support and decent communication of what is happening. With h6 you just got a game that didn't work and the only commubication was the message that laptops weren't supported.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted November 09, 2015 09:26 PM |
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I recall having patches that broke my game I ended up with nvidia bug that prevented me to start the game
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted November 09, 2015 10:11 PM |
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H6 had like one patch (1.2) for the first 5 or 6 months of the game (due to BlackHole bankruptcy), H7 has been much better in that front.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted November 09, 2015 10:20 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
H6 had like one patch (1.2) for the first 5 or 6 months of the game (due to BlackHole bankruptcy), H7 has been much better in that front.
Thanks for that info. TBH, I forgot how patching of H6 went. I just remember that some of the patches that came after that one broke the game for me.
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Pitlord
Known Hero
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posted November 09, 2015 10:23 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
H6 had like one patch (1.2) for the first 5 or 6 months of the game (due to BlackHole bankruptcy), H7 has been much better in that front.
but h6 had a better ai at release AND a working multiplayer
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted November 09, 2015 10:28 PM |
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ye it had but now H7 AI is better at least vs neutrals.
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