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Valen-Teen
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posted February 10, 2016 11:25 AM |
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Oh! It's so wonderful news about skillwheel!
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JollyJoker
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 10, 2016 12:54 PM |
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gomaki said:
Articun said:
Gomaki did say that the skill improvement is a future project and in developement. If i recall correctly he did imply the first axeoth might not correlate with the skill improvements. But as i said, hopeful and wishful 
Skill improvement wont be with LT1. The development on the improved skill system however is moving along at a rapid pace of knots, I have it working internally and can play with it and we narrowing down with VIPs more and more how the system should be, which is great.
1.7 (lost tales patch) is soon BUT there is a delay by a couple of days from a last minute stupid bug that was found, fixed it and re-shipped a build to be tested again.
However a 'beta' build is potentially in the works and I might call up on some people here who have PM'd me to help test it in the not so distant future, but that's not confirmed, just the path I think we'll take.
I think, Limbic and Ubisoft owe me an apology. I've been right the whole time, and you could have saved yourself a lot of trouble, if you had paid more attention to what was said about it.
You could have the decency to admit it.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 10, 2016 01:02 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 13:02, 10 Feb 2016.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 10, 2016 01:06 PM |
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With the community neither, I was far from being the only one militating for the skill system among other things down the blog when still open, they could have just drop on the ego and listen to what it is homm fans actually want, before everything started to degenerate.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 10, 2016 01:24 PM |
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I'm not part anymore: I said, I'd take a break and come back when there would be anything meaningful to discuss again there, but then someone - probably Limbic, because it's their forum - revoked my access rights. Last autumn already.
Actually without anyone sending me any notification. Considering that it's actually Ubisoft who's doing all the stuff regarding invitation and NDA and so on, the situation is, that Ubisoft didn't revoke anything officially, but also quietly agreed revoking my access rights.
It's like with the game: I miss class here.
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted February 10, 2016 01:25 PM |
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Not trying to take sides here, but i kinda understand their logic. They wanted to make something of their own, since as a company they undertook this huge project. But this sometimes turns to hubris, especially when you have a long lasting tradition behind the title.
It is unaccepted that they didn;t listen to fans or the VIP members when they know what makes Heroes unique, but still, somehow i can't really blame them for trying to do something of their own in their vision to push the game forward. What i blame them for is for not spending some time playing the older games prior to Ubisoft to get a very good feel of what Heroes is all about. If they really did that, they could have had a better overall vision and direction.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 10, 2016 01:29 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 13:30, 10 Feb 2016.
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Articun said:
What i blame them for is for not spending some time playing the older games prior to Ubisoft to get a very good feel of what Heroes is all about. If they really did that, they could have had a better overall vision and direction.
They didn't, at least not in depth, so going for their own thing without sufficient knowledge and dismissing inputs from members like in this example JJ is nothing else but out of proportion ego and arrogance.
Even more infuriating when the game is being advertised as "made with and for the fans". They broke all records in terms of lies and sham with H7.
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted February 10, 2016 01:33 PM |
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In the end, it's not just saying "made with and for the fans", but also saying things like "bringing back the best Heroes has to offer" when it does not. Heroes as a title has a long history. Might and Magic:Heroes though, has only 1 title.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 10, 2016 03:45 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 15:47, 10 Feb 2016.
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JollyJoker said:
I'm not part anymore: I said, I'd take a break and come back when there would be anything meaningful to discuss again there, but then someone - probably Limbic, because it's their forum - revoked my access rights. Last autumn already.
Actually without anyone sending me any notification. Considering that it's actually Ubisoft who's doing all the stuff regarding invitation and NDA and so on, the situation is, that Ubisoft didn't revoke anything officially, but also quietly agreed revoking my access rights.
It's like with the game: I miss class here.
Appears to be your usual cloak and dagger shenanigans from Ubisoft and Limbic. These kind of plays behind the curtains hindered what little potential and resources H7 had. They're now telling us the VIP collaboration is going great, but they basically kicked you of all people out. What a way to inspire confidence in the upcoming patch 
At least there's one good thing in all this: you got off the sinking ship.
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The Young Traveler
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 10, 2016 04:27 PM |
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Pretty normal in politics. Imagine a king and a couple of advisors. King has an idea. Advisors wring their hands silently, one or two mouthing cautiously doubts amd concerns, one saying loudly, that the idea is crap, naming a couple of reasons - King will not be pleased, his idea is called crap, and he'll frown upon the loudmouth.
When it later turns out, the idea was crap indeed, King might take the opinion of the cautiously mouthing advisors into consideration, standing corrected - but of course he isn't too pleased about being exposed as having not that good an idea and seen it through, and the consequence is, the loudmouth will be roasted on a spit, and be it only to vent frustration about things having not worked out.
It seems it's always about egos as well, and I suppose mine was too big for the puny role that was left for us, while they didn't want to hear that they were blundering.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 10, 2016 05:34 PM |
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Seems like we are running in circles. Why would you gather all this people as "advisors" of sort for future games, but kick them when they're giving you useful advice long before the game is released?
Sad thing is, it's not quite the first time this happens.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted February 10, 2016 07:03 PM |
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gomaki said:
Articun said:
Gomaki did say that the skill improvement is a future project and in developement. If i recall correctly he did imply the first axeoth might not correlate with the skill improvements. But as i said, hopeful and wishful
Skill improvement wont be with LT1. The development on the improved skill system however is moving along at a rapid pace of knots, I have it working internally and can play with it and we narrowing down with VIPs more and more how the system should be, which is great.
1.7 (lost tales patch) is soon BUT there is a delay by a couple of days from a last minute stupid bug that was found, fixed it and re-shipped a build to be tested again.
However a 'beta' build is potentially in the works and I might call up on some people here who have PM'd me to help test it in the not so distant future, but that's not confirmed, just the path I think we'll take.
That's good to know but I am still more than convinced you should definitely implement it for campaigns and scenarios as the option too. Having different basic mechanics in campaigns and multiplayer cannot bring much good overall. It's like separating the part of the game. I think all the improvements should be done on whole game or they should not be done at all - and used in other games.
Btw. I would be glad if you could tell me how many people are working on H7 now, after release, just approximately.
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted February 10, 2016 07:15 PM |
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Antalyan said:
Btw. I would be glad if you could tell me how many people are working on H7 now, after release, just approximately.
Judging by the time it takes for a patch to get released i'd say 4 maybe 5 people.
One last patch before they call it quits and move on to Heroes 8/Heroes 4 HD remake.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted February 10, 2016 07:23 PM |
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Edited by Antalyan at 19:24, 10 Feb 2016.
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Datapack said:
Antalyan said:
Btw. I would be glad if you could tell me how many people are working on H7 now, after release, just approximately.
Judging by the time it takes for a patch to get released i'd say 4 maybe 5 people.
One last patch before they call it quits and move on to Heroes 8/Heroes 4 HD remake.
That's actually why I would like to know. I expect also cca 5 (or maximally 10) people but I can be wrong and I's like to know it for sure...
As regards H8, I would like to know who would buy it after two unifnished Heroes games...
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 10, 2016 07:27 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Limbic and Ubisoft
JollyJoker said:
apology
JollyJoker said:
decency
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted February 10, 2016 07:37 PM |
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ROFL 
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"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted February 10, 2016 08:54 PM |
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With regards to the skill system change, I think it's too late by now. It seems many people have already lost their interest and belief in this game, several members here seem to be drifting towards Age Of Wonders 3 instead, myself included.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted February 10, 2016 09:06 PM |
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Anything they do now is too late that is just what happens when you release buggy, unfinished, poorly thought-out, trash.
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Zeki
Supreme Hero
sup
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posted February 10, 2016 10:50 PM |
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Nah, it's not entirely too late, if the game becomes acceptable now I might buy it for 10 bucks or so in a sale, if not I'm not gonna bother at all xD
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 10, 2016 10:54 PM |
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@Verriker: you forgot class
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