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AnkVaati
Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
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posted August 09, 2016 12:32 PM |
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Stevie said:
I'm starting to take issue with posts from certain users that seek to ostentatiously aggravate and provoke otherse with unfiltered attitudes in their posts, untrue statements and annoying gifs, so I kindly ask the moderators to enforce some standards before the thread degenerates into personal attacks, which I must admit feel very tempting right about now.
Fully agree. I fully respect if someone likes any of the Ubi games but there is no reason to get personal about stuff like this. I'd actually like if their fans could come up with some constructive arguments then, since I don't at all get how Ubi could be thinking except for the sheer pecuniary interests of course. And even that is incredibly shot sighted when you take an established franchise and constantly snows the fans off and ruins its community.
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Ank's Old School (kinda) H8 proposal <- best thing evvah, trust me
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted August 09, 2016 12:36 PM |
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matter of fact Endless Space and Endless Legend were created by former members of Team Fabrice and Team Erwin dontchaknow, specifically some of the blokes who knew a thing or two about designing games, I suppose that's where a lot of the talent and basic common sense disappeared to after Heroes 5 lol
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AnkVaati
Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
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posted August 09, 2016 12:40 PM |
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verriker said:
matter of fact Endless Space and Endless Legend were created by former members of Team Fabrice and Team Erwin dontchaknow, specifically some of the blokes who knew a thing or two about designing games, I suppose that's where a lot of the talent and basic common sense disappeared to after Heroes 5 lol
Had no idea lol. Couldn't help drawing parallels between Endless Legend and M&M. Can't help feel Endless Legend is to some extent what NWC games were: original (not many clichés), creative, mix of fantasy and sci-fi and most of all designed for actual game play rather than eye candy.
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Ank's Old School (kinda) H8 proposal <- best thing evvah, trust me
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 09, 2016 12:41 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 20:06, 09 Aug 2016.
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Guys, the China stuff is very easy. Ubisoft must have realized that Enroth/Antagarich has way, way more pull on China than Ashan, therefore they decide to make cheap, movile games based on such setting exclusive to them. For them it's just $$$, that should be obvious by now.
Still a tad funny though ^^
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 12:59 PM |
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5000 on steam is not exactly low. Considering most hardcore fans bought the game off uplay
Game runs so much better now, smooth and fast
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted August 09, 2016 01:11 PM |
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Aionb
Known Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 01:19 PM |
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Hermes said:
Game runs so much better now, smooth and fast
You don't seem to be able to understand that you're not the only person in this world. But it's not the first time, never mind.
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 01:55 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 20:01, 09 Aug 2016.
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AnkVaati said:
Hermes said:
AnkVaati said:
Hermes said:
How can I get 0/10? Please guide me, I want to know how to improve.
Have to make no doubt that you're just messing with us. One way would be praising Erwin for the "creative" and "innovative" (or something) inclusion of the dark elves and the dragon spider lore. Another way would be using the phrase "Asha uses all" in every single post lol.
Thanks for this useful feedback. To be honest, if I had 5K disposable income I would send these money to Limbic and Erwin creative team just to show my support. The world they created is truly alive and philosophical 
@Aeonb
What, software running a on multitude of completely different hardware and OS has some bugs? Unthinkable! Also where did I say in my post the game is bugless? I'm actually looking forward to HoAO just to see how unplayable that game will be if it ever releases at all lol.
You seem to have idea how hard is it to design and code a game like heroes.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted August 09, 2016 01:58 PM |
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The deal is not to make a bugless game, but to have as less bugs as possible, and those ones are that do not break game experience. How hard it is to understand that?
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 02:06 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
The deal is not to make a bugless game, but to have as less bugs as possible, and those ones are that do not break game experience. How hard it is to understand that?
How hard is it to understand that, for majority of players you just described the game above?
May be play the damn game and see for yourself instead of relying on reports of others.
The game received a lot of patches, only comparable to something like Witcher 3.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted August 09, 2016 02:07 PM |
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Hermes said:
How hard is it to understand that, for majority of players you just described the game above?
And still the majority find it to be a mixed bag? What gives.
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 02:11 PM |
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Avirosb said:
Hermes said:
How hard is it to understand that, for majority of players you just described the game above?
And still the majority find it to be a mixed bag? What gives.
So using your logic, you saying that bugs is the one and only reason people have the game negative reviews?
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted August 09, 2016 02:24 PM |
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Hermes said:
Avirosb said:
Hermes said:
How hard is it to understand that, for majority of players you just described the game above?
And still the majority find it to be a mixed bag? What gives.
So using your logic, you saying that bugs is the one and only reason people have the game negative reviews?
I don't recall ever uttering the phrase "negative reviews".
I specifically wrote "mixed bag".
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 02:34 PM |
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verriker said:
Hermes said:
Thanks for this useful feedback. To be honest, if I had 5K disposable income I would send these money to Limbic and Erwin creative team just to show my support. The world they created is truly alive and philosophical
do you have your priorities in order there, I mean are you serious on that, would you actually send that to Limbic and Erwin, rather than a charity such as the Royal National Institute of Blind People or some such lol
I know it can be a difficult dilemma between Erwin's z-tier electronic fantasy toys and charity of the blind, but real talk that can come across as foaming at mouth crusade mode, bit of perspective lol
I give to charities as is, but this game gave me a lot of experiences and memories so I feel the decs deserve the money and love.
Ashan really is metaphorical real world if you are willing to dig deep enough.
I remember I loved Anton in Heroes 6 and his dillema.
Erwin is actually smart and charismatic, but he gets so much flak. 
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foxxxer
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 02:40 PM |
bonus applied by Maurice on 09 Aug 2016. |
Edited by foxxxer at 14:41, 09 Aug 2016.
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Hermes said:
You now that YOU among others on this board have destroyed the franchise right?
You have yourselves to thank. At least we got a great game out of all this despite all you childish tantrums.
I don't know if you're snowing around or really believe that the fans have killed the franchise but this is really naive and I encounter this statement too often these days. It seems that Ubi’s (or just Erwan’s) propaganda finally has worked starting with this ridiculous article. They’ve been making some of the fans and “external” public to believe that the so-called “conservative core” pushed the franchise to the brink. Every successful franchise has hardcore fans who are the most vocal but they are minority compared to the casual fans. Some of the publisher/developer listen to criticism and feedback (like Paradox for instance)but the big publishers are usually deaf. It depends of course how much big the fanbase is and the discontent percentage. In Heroes case the “core” has become majority because no one else stayed around. Ubi + developers were pushing away the casuals and couldn’t attract new masses just because they were unable to deliver decent product two (almost three) times in a row. And that’s what is killing the franchise the low sells nothing else. They try to blame the community that hampers them to implement “innovative” ideas and that’s why they “listen” to the fans and use old models. But they are even unable implement the old formulas into one polished product so what about new ones. We saw how H6 went, there were some good ideas (just poorly executed) but the overall simplification of the game doesn’t necessarily mean that is innovative. Erwan himself admitted they have no idea how to design the game and further develop the franchise (and this was widely discussed in this forum). I can’t even comprehend how the leader of whole franchise has no idea what to do and he is still in charge. It looks like he not accounted to anyone or the people above him in the chain don’t care.
Ubisoft is a big company and doesn’t care about the “core” rage as long as the cash flows in. Heroes 7 didn’t make good profit so they rearrange their strategy in to the mobile devices. China is fast growing market so they’ll try with something small like mobile games and who knows, maybe in future the Chinese market will dictate the overall design of the flag ship game.
It’s clear that (PC) Heroes game requires a big budget in order to make a decent game as there is a large content to fill in. Ubisoft is afraid to put big budget on the table just because TBS is not a big niche and might lose money. That’s the whole story; they are reluctant to risk with big budget. All those developers over the years: Nival (even though they pulled H5 through at the end of the day), Blackhole, Limbbic and the outsourced artist (2D + 3D) scream low budget. It’s very hard to manage so many parties and keep mechanics, visuals and content consistent. And we can see this through the whole Ubisoft era including H5. If Ubi put decent budget and uses some of their own developing studios where mechanics and visuals are developed we will have better game imo just because better communication. During NWC era almost everything was developed in-house and that’s why we can see better aesthetics and consistency in the old games. I don’t disregard the talent or lack of it here just imo the miscommunication during the game developing process is one of the major issues.
Hermes said:
Have fun with p2w mobile games! Go whine some more 
Since when are criticism and whining toward crappy product a bad thing?
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Aionb
Known Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 03:11 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 22:12, 09 Aug 2016.
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Hermes said:
@Aeonb
What, software running a on multitude of completely different hardware and OS has some bugs? Unthinkable!
1. Edit Maurice: removed the veiled provocation
2. Listen, mate, spare me your BS. It's the same BS Limbic guys are spreading on Steam.
I can tell you one thing regarding this BS: I've been a freelance translator for almost 15 years. And my prices are way above the medium price on the national translation market. If I would be delivering my clients jobs finished the same way as BSoft and Limbic delivered their bugware, I would be out of business in two weeks. So, I repeat, spare me the BS, I don't know much about coding, but I know plenty about being very good at what you do and and about being able to do it properly. This Limbosoft conglomerate is unable to fulfill either of these prerequisites.
If any of the grown-up guys reading this forum would be delivering tasks at their jobs the same way as BSoft and Limbic delivered their bugware, this forum would be crowding with unemployed people. So, again, save it for someone else.
Side note: we are ONE BLOODY YEAR after the freaking release, and none of the bugs they so tenderheartedly fixed for you, the players of their bugware, should have been there from the goddamn beginning
And another side note: if any of the Limbic guys working on this product would have been hired to deliver a software and he would have delivered it in the state H7 was/is delivered, do you honestly believe he would have gotten another assignment from the same client? This is the question Limbosoft employees and their defenders should ask themselves in the first place. Instead of retorting that "it's software, it has bugs".
Really, that's a slave attitude: defending the one snowting on your head for not doing it harder and for cleaning your forehead from time to time. LOL
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I'm actually looking forward to HoAO just to see how unplayable that game will be if it ever releases at all lol.
This just shows the level of frustration I was talking about
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 03:34 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 20:02, 09 Aug 2016.
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frostymuaddib said:
The only good that came from H7 (not counting destruction of Team Erwin  ) is this thread . I must thank Genya, Hermes, cleglaw and ChrisD1 for putting a smile on my face every time they defend H7 Keep rocking and never change 
I actually dont defend H7, beyond "i enjoyed it". I defend Ashan, and mostly because your arguments against it apply to the oldVerse, specially the ripoff one lol.
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AnkVaati
Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
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posted August 09, 2016 03:58 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 20:02, 09 Aug 2016.
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted August 09, 2016 04:03 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
The only good that came from H7 (not counting destruction of Team Erwin ) is this thread . I must thank Genya, Hermes, cleglaw and ChrisD1 for putting a smile on my face every time they defend H7 Keep rocking and never change
Should I be proud of or concerned about not appearing in that list? 
Not that I have much to defend, given my less-than-Beta-only experience in H7. I will only be called to arms once H6 comes into play. When the game was still in 'development' and the SC alive, sure I could throw in my ideas and concerns and interact with others about it. Now, the only thing I know is based on external sources (Steam forums for one), and I am well aware in what state the game was and is. With my knowledge now being extremely outdated, I'm not sitting in the front line of the discussion anymore.
And Hermes (also ChrisD to an extent), do everyone and yourself a favor and stop picking fights, because that's what your comments look like to me. This thing between 'us' and 'them' has been going on for long enough and both sides should know better than to call each other out. Ashanite and Proud, but by Elrath's blazing eyeballs you should behave like an adult .
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted August 09, 2016 04:08 PM |
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AnkVaati said:
ha, funny cuz its true
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
