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Antalyan
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posted September 08, 2016 01:03 PM |
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Galaad, as you say I was there and I remember quite clearly how the communication with us was managed. You might also remember I was not always satissfied with it and I'm not even now.
The point we differ in is our opinion about H7 - I want a good future for it and as many improvements as possible in all ways including mods and fan support, while you would like them to end its development which will be probably the last thing Ubisoft or any other company does with Might & Magic world for quite a long time.
Just to make it clear: I think this franchise deserves much better support than it gets, as well as you do. Heroes of Might & Magic is a famous name and its future should not end in the trashcan. I would be for Ubisoft selling the franchise and I'm very sad and frustrated from how H7 could have looked like. But that's why I keep supporting this game, to make it as close to me dreams as posible.
I appreciate Limbic's activity on Steam and also some improvements requested by fans really came. But you have always some vision you don't let anyone completely break it. As everybody has a bit different vision, it would not be even possible to listen to all. But I know they could have listened and communicated much more.
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Petiknight
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posted September 08, 2016 02:17 PM |
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Antalyan said:
Galaad, as you say I was there and I remember quite clearly how the communication with us was managed. You might also remember I was not always satissfied with it and I'm not even now.
Hi Antalyan,
i appraciate that you support the francise, and you love the game. All we do. However I regret that I bought H7, and based of my experience with the basic game, I didn't buy the expansion. I think the only way to show the devs, and UBI that they are on the wrong way, if we as a customers don't support them with our money. The community already translated our wishes to the devs, and for UBI, what people want, how they imagined a good Heroes game, but they ignored the most of them, they just made small changes wich didn't impact the budget too much. I think they will not respect us, if there will be still people who are willing to pay for an unpolished, bad product.
The main problem is that there are not many TBS fan, and people are buying mostly FPS games, or some TPS games etc...UBI forcing to produce AC more likely than Heroes games, because the mainstream simple buys more... UBI sees only profit... If we could show somehow for UBI, that it is worth to invest more money and create a better game with a good developer, with the promise that they could sell a xyz-millions of copies, than I think their attitude would change. Right now the franchise is in danger, because I suppose H7 didnt sell well...
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 08, 2016 02:58 PM |
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Petiknight said:
I think the only way to show the devs, and UBI that they are on the wrong way, if we as a customers don't support them with our money. The community already translated our wishes to the devs, and for UBI, what people want, how they imagined a good Heroes game, but they ignored the most of them, they just made small changes wich didn't impact the budget too much. I think they will not respect us, if there will be still people who are willing to pay for an unpolished, bad product.
I can totally relate to this. Petiknight, rest assured mate that the game sold poorly and that's good. Ubisoft will have to process that if all they talk is money.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 08, 2016 03:10 PM |
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I am all for creative ideas borne of necessity but ubi is being the ultimate cheapskate by avoiding to spend on the basest of things like quality control while charging an AAA pricetag.. Like hell I would support such an approach. I could understand that they are totally clueless about their fanbase's desires but no, they are being straight disrespectful and even lie in their clients' faces. Just ask verriker, I'm sure he has it all documented.
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The_Green_Drag
Supreme Hero
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posted September 08, 2016 04:18 PM |
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Think of the Heroes title as a dog you have to suddenly give away after spending years of your life with it. You have lots of great memories with it and are sad to see it go. Now I personally would not give it away to anyone who would:
A.) mistreat if, abuse it, or take advantage of it.
B.) have no idea how to take proper care of it, even if their intentions are good.
Unfortunately my Heroes doggie went to person B as Ubi had three tries and couldn't make a heroes game that appeals to the already established fanbase and newcomers as well. Over time person B has also become person A by lying to its customers and releasing broken games and empty promises.
Looking at it as a whole, heroes 6 should have been great. H5 gameplay wasn't it's biggest problem, the visuals were. Weird camera angles, the cartoony graphics, and rip offs from other games (it was warhammer iirc). Then when they try to go back we see they still have no clue and show it with how h7 was developed and what the final product looked like.
What I'm trying to say here is that fighting for Ubi to sell the rights - IS supporting the franchise. They need someone holding their hand the whole time in order to make a great heroes game. Not only is that a screwed up truth that is embarrassing for them but they also ignore the ones trying to help them (VIP forum). Sell the rights!
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posted September 08, 2016 04:23 PM |
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Elvin said:
I am all for creative ideas borne of necessity but ubi is being the ultimate cheapskate by avoiding to spend on the basest of things like quality control while charging an AAA pricetag.. Like hell I would support such an approach. I could understand that they are totally clueless about their fanbase's desires but no, they are being straight disrespectful and even lie in their clients' faces. Just ask verriker, I'm sure he has it all documented.
Thx Elvin, I know all of this, I wish it would be much more nicer story, and we could posess a better game with H7.
I lurked in the shadows and posted only a few since 4 years I am following HC, I am familiar with people's opinion here I have been read almost every posts -sometimes I just skipeed some pointless discussions  -, and i also followed the development of H6 and H7.
So I am with the people who blames UBI's incompetent leadership with bad developers, alltrough I still have hope, that once we will have a shiny, fresh and new Heroes game even better than the pearl H3.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 08, 2016 05:05 PM |
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The_Green_Drag said:
Think of the Heroes title as a dog you have to suddenly give away after spending years of your life with it. You have lots of great memories with it and are sad to see it go. Now I personally would not give it away to anyone who would:
A.) mistreat if, abuse it, or take advantage of it.
B.) have no idea how to take proper care of it, even if their intentions are good.
Unfortunately my Heroes doggie went to person B as Ubi had three tries and couldn't make a heroes game that appeals to the already established fanbase and newcomers as well. Over time person B has also become person A by lying to its customers and releasing broken games and empty promises.
Your heroes doggie went to person A for sure check again
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted September 08, 2016 05:13 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Your heroes doggie went to person A for sure check again
try reading the post again and this time make sure you read it to the end lol
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted September 08, 2016 05:52 PM |
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Petiknight said:
Antalyan said:
Galaad, as you say I was there and I remember quite clearly how the communication with us was managed. You might also remember I was not always satissfied with it and I'm not even now.
Hi Antalyan,
i appraciate that you support the francise, and you love the game. All we do. However I regret that I bought H7, and based of my experience with the basic game, I didn't buy the expansion. I think the only way to show the devs, and UBI that they are on the wrong way, if we as a customers don't support them with our money. The community already translated our wishes to the devs, and for UBI, what people want, how they imagined a good Heroes game, but they ignored the most of them, they just made small changes wich didn't impact the budget too much. I think they will not respect us, if there will be still people who are willing to pay for an unpolished, bad product.
The main problem is that there are not many TBS fan, and people are buying mostly FPS games, or some TPS games etc...UBI forcing to produce AC more likely than Heroes games, because the mainstream simple buys more... UBI sees only profit... If we could show somehow for UBI, that it is worth to invest more money and create a better game with a good developer, with the promise that they could sell a xyz-millions of copies, than I think their attitude would change. Right now the franchise is in danger, because I suppose H7 didnt sell well...
Hi Petiknight,
In spite of the fact you don't like H7, I agree with your post a lot. I see many things our opinions have in common (and to be honest, not only with you but even with some other people who dislike H7). I wish I knew the way to show UBI this franchise is worth of investing more money into it. Unfortunately I/we don't. And unlike you, I am pretty sure that there will always be some people to buy these games, even in case they are sold unfinished and overpriced. I know we can't change the world and although I strongly dislike it, people buy unfinished games in today's rushed world. I think that's why people also prefer the game genres you have mentioned above: They don't have much time so they want to enjoy as much as possible in the short time they have - therefore they play mobas or fps games which can be finished in an hour or less.
I also think they would be able able to create an amazing, modern Heroes game satisfying almost anyone. I believe it is possible to make a game for fans of H3, H4, H5, H6 AND H7 (if the fans of the first ones accept good 3D graphics). The issue is, from my point of view, that each of these games was superior in some regards but failed in other ones. Sure, the "other ones" I mention might not be important for you so you don't see them as mistakes, as people caring only about MP are not interested in campaign stories, but I still don't lose my (probably a bit naive) idea of the Heroes game which is really the best of the previous titles.
You can recognize this thought as an exaggerated one but I am convinced about H7 having this potential the most of all games in the series. Just because H7 can be strongly modded. The modding community has always been important for Heroes games and they have achieved amazing things like H5.5 which have significantly improved the popularity of the older titles. That's one of the reasons why I still keep urging Limbic team to give us as many improvements as they can - the probability of getting another Heroes game soon is, as you say, unfortunatey quite low and H7 can be used as a material to work with for those who don't like it as it is now.
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted September 08, 2016 06:04 PM |
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Yo ho!
I was remembering when this thread reached 1.000 pages, do you remember? And now, reaching 1.550 ... there's no change, real change in the game discussion whatsoever. How brilliant is that!
On a side note, giant pandas are not an endangered species anymore!
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Momo
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 08, 2016 06:33 PM |
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PandaTar said:
Yo ho!
I was remembering when this thread reached 1.000 pages, do you remember? And now, reaching 1.550 ... there's no change, real change in the game discussion whatsoever. How brilliant is that!
On a side note, giant pandas are not an endangered species anymore!
It probably is wasted time anyway, but there is a tiny chance that someone reading this pages has a stroke of genius about how to finally take HOMM to the future while staying true to the roots. So we are mostly discussing of this "future" and these "roots".
The base line here is that most agree that HOMM7 failed, but we cannot precisely agree on why it did. Though at least we all agreed that Ubi's marketing was embarassing and the technical state of the game was upon release (and still today in some respects) a very sorry one. I doubt, though, that Ubi didn't know already that they cannot sell a game this way, especially as that price.
A focused discussion on what was wrong with the gameplay and content would've been better, but we cannot just a meaningful consensus on it.
Well, yay for pandas at least.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted September 08, 2016 07:18 PM |
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Well, I'd say that at least one truth that shouldn't be denied is that Heroes VII is overpriced. There are other facts that shouldn't be denied, but no person should say how 50€ is a reasonable price for that game, regardless of one's personal preferences.
So there is a change. But quite a small one, since there was a lot of bickering about.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 08, 2016 09:08 PM |
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Momo said:
The base line here is that most agree that HOMM7 failed, but we cannot precisely agree on why it did.
I think by reading the MMH7 Team when talking about Heroes or see how they play on stream the answer is quite obvious.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 08, 2016 09:19 PM |
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Leaving aside every little complaint, the major ones are not hard to identify.
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted September 08, 2016 10:02 PM |
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The pricing is another subject I chatted over with Pol at CH. The pricing in my country is around 50% of that from Europe. Still, I find it too expensive. I wonder if Europeans would buy H7 if it had the same price found here? (also the reason, it seems, that I cannot buy games at will to gift for people abroad)
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 08, 2016 10:05 PM |
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If they do TotE skill system with better racials and fixes and the H3 factions and townscreens and give a fairy-tale atmosphere à la h2 to the adventure map I buy it 150$ + a few more for friends, even if 3D.
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olorin
Adventuring Hero
tophatchild.blogspot.com
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posted September 08, 2016 10:13 PM |
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Galaad said:
If they do TotE skill system with better racials and fixes and the H3 factions and townscreens and give a fairy-tale atmosphere à la h2 to the adventure map I buy it 150$ + a few more for friends, even if 3D.
Oh yeah! That would be the perfect Heroes.
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Petiknight
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 09, 2016 10:23 AM |
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Hi Antalyan,
for me despite the boring gameplay, the worse aspect of H7 is the visuals, and graphic style, sorry but I cannot bare it. It is my personal opinion. Unfortunatelly I dont think so that modders could improve the engine and spell effects, adventure map, etc.., because as far as I read Limbic didnt attached so advanced editor. So even with mods, the game wouldn't appeal me, but I dont say I wouldn't try them. Might some mods could make my experience great with the game. With the most of things I agree with your opinion. You expressed yourself very nicely, liked your post, and I also understand your motivation to make H7 better.
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lordgraa
Promising
Famous Hero
The Whisperer
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posted September 09, 2016 11:28 AM |
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Petiknight said:
Unfortunatelly I dont think so that modders could improve the engine and spell effects, adventure map, etc.., because as far as I read Limbic didnt attached so advanced editor.
Actualy you can. Be it spell effects, textures, animations, models, UI elements, icons, townscreens... you can MOD the hell out of Heroes VII if enough time/resources/enthusiasm.
But your level of enthusiasm will decrease rapidly once you engage H7editor (crashing, RAM consuming, behaving unpredictably).
But there are some who can bear such a burdent (including me) and are repeating to themselves: "What does not kill you makes you stronger." 
So thanks to UbiLimbic for HeroesVIIEditor - soon I will be the strongest one 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 09, 2016 12:01 PM |
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They gonna make you overpowered 
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