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Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
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posted October 10, 2016 03:24 PM |
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verriker said:
SoilBurn said:
The correct way to end a sentence is a fullstop, not a "lol".
Attention to detail is one of the many reasons why it is an amazing game, yes. A flawed one (bugs, optimization), but still amazing.
One of these claims is not like the other.
WHAT DA!?
I hope you're happy SoilBurn, you just ruined verriker's streak of lols...
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Noli offendere Patriam Agathae quia ultrix iniuriarum est.
ANTUDO
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 10, 2016 04:00 PM |
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SoilBurn said:
If H7 had been released at its current state instead (minus the expansion), I am quite sure we would be talking about (from a commercial perspective) one of the best Heroes games right now
One of the best 7, for sure. 
But seriously - no. I really don't have the patience to list all things here, but H7 is an ill-conceived patchwork affair that screams "improvised" out of each feature. I will gladly admit, that this isn't as striking in the campaigns, for a couple of reasons, but when you just play any MP map it becomes more obvious. I mean, they added the changed random skilling feature that you know - now just think about how much sense the following makes: For the Magic Guilds you have to pick a favored school (that is different from the preferred school or how this is named). Now, say I play Stronghold, so the preferred is Air Magic. Now, say, I want to equip my hero with the spells they can learn (Level 1) - I now have the problem that I have to name a favored magic school, although I can't say, because my hero didn't get one offered (or one apart of Air Magic).
Does that make sense?
No, not in the least.
Patchwork, ill-fitting.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted October 10, 2016 04:13 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
SoilBurn said:
If H7 had been released at its current state instead (minus the expansion), I am quite sure we would be talking about (from a commercial perspective) one of the best Heroes games right now
One of the best 7, for sure.
But seriously - no. I really don't have the patience to list all things here, but H7 is an ill-conceived patchwork affair that screams "improvised" out of each feature. I will gladly admit, that this isn't as striking in the campaigns, for a couple of reasons, but when you just play any MP map it becomes more obvious. I mean, they added the changed random skilling feature that you know - now just think about how much sense the following makes: For the Magic Guilds you have to pick a favored school (that is different from the preferred school or how this is named). Now, say I play Stronghold, so the preferred is Air Magic. Now, say, I want to equip my hero with the spells they can learn (Level 1) - I now have the problem that I have to name a favored magic school, although I can't say, because my hero didn't get one offered (or one apart of Air Magic).
Does that make sense?
No, not in the least.
Patchwork, ill-fitting.
And how is the H7 system different to the one in H5? I mean, there are differences, but exactly the problem you describe is there as well. Only the amount of magic schools is lower so you wil probably always choose destructive for dungeon or light for haven, as the other ones would not be much logical.
I know it's waisting of time, on both sides as our preferences and opinions won't change, but still it's good to discuss absolutely different views from time to time
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Important H7 tips & tricks
H7 Community Patch (UCP)
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SoilBurn
Known Hero
BurnsSoil
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posted October 10, 2016 04:16 PM |
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Edited by SoilBurn at 16:24, 10 Oct 2016.
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Neraus said:
WHAT DA!?
I hope you're happy SoilBurn, you just ruined verriker's streak of lols...
I almost feel guilty. Almost.
JollyJoker said:
I mean, they added the changed random skilling feature that you know - now just think about how much sense the following makes: For the Magic Guilds you have to pick a favored school (that is different from the preferred school or how this is named). Now, say I play Stronghold, so the preferred is Air Magic. Now, say, I want to equip my hero with the spells they can learn (Level 1) - I now have the problem that I have to name a favored magic school, although I can't say, because my hero didn't get one offered (or one apart of Air Magic).
Does that make sense?
Is that really so bad? Even if you pick e.g. Earth Magic, you still get spells from the other schools thrown in. Moreover, you can wait before deciding on the favored magic school, you do not have to do it immediately (comes with a downside of course).
I think the real issue here is how they implemented the random skills. I would have preferred if every hero had access to only a specific set of skills (like H5), not all of them (or at least that we know what the respective probabilities are in advance!). But, like I said, this issue has not prevented me from enjoying the game, it is rather minor.
EDIT: What a wicked coincidence!!
Limbic-Heart posted this on Steam just now:
Limbic-Heart on Steam said:
A parting gift.
Hey all. I obviously wont be active around here anymore. I'll still be in contact with Ubi-Moshi, should something urgeant come up, but it will be few and far between as i'm swamped with many work related projects.
I managed to get hold of the designers excel sheet that contains the % chance of what Ability you could get to populate a position/skill in your skill tree. When playing with Random skilling.
I mentioned I would try get it before and received a couple of emails regarding this, so here is the info in the form of some Imgur links for people to use.
Should be pretty self explanitory. Tabs at the bottom show what faction it's for. Numbers on the right give you an idea of how many total points a faction would 'weight' something over another. An example is Stronghold have a much higher offense score (42) compared to Haven (34) as they're more offense flavoured.
http://imgur.com/a/RFuXr
Thankyou all for the support you've shown both Limbic and myself personally. I did my best for everyone in the community, in the area's I thought a change could/should be made. Game is far from perfect. Sad to not see it get that extra 4 months finish (don't think it would have taken much longer than that personally to have everything solid including MP) but that's life.
Feel free to hit me up on Steam if you want to get a lesson in some CSGO or Dota. I hope people can find some enjoyment in Heroes 7/Addon.
Regards
Dan
More "food" for the modders. At least something.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 10, 2016 04:17 PM |
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SoilBurn said:
If H7 had been released at its current state instead (minus the expansion), I am quite sure we would be talking about (from a commercial perspective) one of the best Heroes games right now
And I'm sure of the exact opposite. So between you and I who's more sure of their speculation?
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 10, 2016 04:59 PM |
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One of the best hardly but it would have a much better reception for sure.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 10, 2016 05:15 PM |
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Que Sera, Sera,
H1-3 required no delay,
Excuses aren't games to play,
Que, Sera, Sera.
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted October 10, 2016 06:00 PM |
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Limbic-Heart on Steam said:
Feel free to hit me up on Steam if you want to get a lesson in some CSGO or Dota.
Not even the devs wants to play their own game lol
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 10, 2016 06:07 PM |
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I am more pissed at the bs talk. Far from perfect? Haha. Too bad people got shafted and won't ever get to play the complete game they paid for? C'est la vie, better luck next time!
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted October 10, 2016 06:19 PM |
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Datapack said:
Limbic-Heart on Steam said:
Feel free to hit me up on Steam if you want to get a lesson in some CSGO or Dota.
Not even the devs wants to play their own game lol
They could simply play H7 multiplayer that... oh yeah, it doesn't function for some people.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted October 10, 2016 06:45 PM |
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Datapack said:
Limbic-Heart on Steam said:
Feel free to hit me up on Steam if you want to get a lesson in some CSGO or Dota.
Not even the devs wants to play their own game lol
Generally I doubt many developers play their own games...
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Important H7 tips & tricks
H7 Community Patch (UCP)
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted October 10, 2016 06:54 PM |
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Antalyan said:
Generally I doubt many developers play their own games...
verriker said:
lol
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Kayna
Supreme Hero
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posted October 10, 2016 07:15 PM |
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Well, a game needs proper production to be good. Time to go back to WoW. It should be considered a proverb at this point.
Time to go back to WoW.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted October 10, 2016 07:24 PM |
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Kayna said:
Well, a game needs proper production to be good. Time to go back to WoW. It should be considered a proverb at this point.
Time to go back to WoW.
I got a vast assortment of Erwin mey-meys, fit for any situation
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted October 11, 2016 01:39 AM |
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Edited by yogi at 01:43, 11 Oct 2016.
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SoilBurn said:
Limbic-Heart on Steam said:
Game is far from perfect. Sad to not see it get that extra 4 months finish (don't think it would have taken much longer than that personally to have everything solid including MP) but that's life.
w
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am i really supposed to buy this?
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rofl @ doesnt even blah; always gets me, thanks i needed that.
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yogi - class: monk | status: healthy
"Lol we are HC'ers.. The same tribe.. Guy!" ~Ghost
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted October 11, 2016 09:50 AM |
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I actually read Dan as kind of apologetic. Though I wonder how long they've known about this date. I don't remember when it was, but not long ago they were clear about supporting the game for a long time.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 11, 2016 12:32 PM |
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yogi said:
SoilBurn said:
Limbic-Heart on Steam said:
Game is far from perfect. Sad to not see it get that extra 4 months finish (don't think it would have taken much longer than that personally to have everything solid including MP) but that's life.
w
t
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am i really supposed to buy this?
I used to like Dan, but not anymore and it's because of stuff like this. They had 1 year of post-release support planned and paid in advance to fix most of the important issues, which they didn't as he admits that the game's still far from perfect, but then laments over 4 more months they didn't receive that would've somehow made everything solid?
Please.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 11, 2016 02:13 PM |
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Well, not even tote saw 3.2. But at least 3.1 was in a rather good shape and the game had caught on with the community. It could sustain itself with some custom maps.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted October 11, 2016 02:45 PM |
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I guess http://mightandmagic.com/ is shut down. Might and magic forum is removed from first page on UBI forums. I guess that's it for M&M while its in UBI's hands.
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SoilBurn
Known Hero
BurnsSoil
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posted October 11, 2016 03:18 PM |
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yogi said:
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am i really supposed to buy this?
I don't doubt that 4 months would have been enough to "fix" the game, most of the technical issues are resolved now anyway. Would another 4 months have been enough to iron out the last few bugs and optimize the game a bit further? Maybe, who knows. Is that really important however? Should we be even discussing about bugs 14 months after release?
This is what Heart answered to this:
Limbic-Heart on Steam said:
SoilBurn said:
Hi Dan,
Related to your comment about the game needing another "4 months to finish": When a game needs 18 months after release to finish, then something is obviously wrong - either with the developer, the publisher or both. This is not an early access game we are talking about. The bugs should have been fixed mostly before release, not afterwards.
No argument from me in that regard. Let me get a couple ranks higher up with in this industry and it wont be a thing.
Does that imply that Ubisoft was responsible for the early release? Noone can confirm that for sure.
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