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JollyJoker
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posted June 29, 2018 02:18 PM |
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Salamandre said:
And I don't disagree with that, see my first post. I only say: if you don't know how to do a better game or/and don't have the money for, stay and improvise within the successful base, make expansions, mods, improve features, fix broken ones, whatever which keeps the solid fan base safe and even bring some new.
I think, if you have no "vision" for a new game, you shouldn't make one.
Of course, the problem is, even IF you have a vision, whether it works out and produces something outstanding or not, that is the question.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 29, 2018 02:25 PM |
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This is no art class, but business and survival. If a company contacts you and asks for a game, you take it.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 29, 2018 02:36 PM |
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@Sal
I think JJ was referring there to Ubisoft as a company rather than the manpower employed, or that's how I understood it.
athos said:
I've never wanted an H3 remake with updated graphics.
And no one asked that. Taking a safe and proved basis to expand upon is not doing a remake, it's doing a sequel.
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Known Hero
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posted June 29, 2018 02:52 PM |
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 29, 2018 03:21 PM |
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So that means that they're still trying to keep the M&M flame alive, but with a heavy focus on the Chinese market. Well, with Tencent and Nintendo as Ubisoft's top partners nowadays, I guess that's to be expected.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted June 29, 2018 03:33 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 15:33, 29 Jun 2018.
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JollyJoker
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 29, 2018 03:52 PM |
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Salamandre said:
This is no art class, but business and survival. If a company contacts you and asks for a game, you take it.
Actually, it depends. Ask Black Hole.
And Galaad, with HoMM there is no safe and sound base. It would be safe and sound only, if it was completely clear what made H2 and H3 so well-liked. It's not, though. It's basically like Apollo 11. How could they land on the moon nearly 50 years ago? Or how could they build the Pyramids all these millenia ago?
No one knows.
PS: Sal, don't klick the link.
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verriker
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Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted June 29, 2018 03:53 PM |
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I will personally apply to be the Senior Brand Manager (Marketing) in Paris of the East lol
I am the Might & Magic Heroes brand expert and evangelist, bear in mind Ubisoft was so impressed with my expertise and evangelist on the Heroes Community and the Shadowy Council that they even invited me on an all expenses paid trip to Paris of the West lol
I have very good communication and interpersonal skills, my 15 QPs on the Heroes Community are the undeniable proof of that, plus just ask my great friend Galaad, an esteemed musician and Heroes Community Manager whom Ubisoft hold in the high regard, he will vouch that I am the good communication cheers lol
I have the ability to effectively manage concurrent projects (multitasking), I have endured the office job, done the hankey pankey, posted the evangelism on the forum, drove the car, drank the pint, assisted the Ashan in the Trashcan mod, eaten the dinner, walked the dog, and read the user manual all in one day, in that order, which is more than many Heroes fans can say lol
I have the ability to defend one's point of view, even when unpopular as there were many Ashanites who poo pooed me when I said Heroes 6 and 7 would be bad games whom I have proven wrong, I received many magnanimous messages to tell me I was right because I am great lol
I have the prior knowledge of the Might & Magic brands and lore a huge plus, never mind your Corak and Sheltem you filthy silly noob, do you even Orango Seventeen and Meenu brah, I do not think so lol
I have the extensive knowledge of the video game market, especially China /Asia and mobile industries, why just last year I have played Samurai Showdown 2 and the Dynasty Warriors which is a big proof that I know my modern Chinese epics, I also watched the Kung Fu Panda and the 42 Ronin with Asian actor Keanu Reeves lol
I have a prior work abroad and a renowned fantasist / RPG IP a big plus, the Russians gave me plenty of money to astroturf for King's Bounty The Legend and sabotage the competition, if you will ask Putin and Katauri they will confirm that I am a great asset of them lol
I have the fluency in the Chinese English, and the French nice to have too, my girlfriend's great grandmother was French and so was my dog's lol
in conclusion I will be the perfect person of the job, give me the Tencent and I will make the most of that or my name is not Tim Verriker cheers lol
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PandaTar
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Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted June 29, 2018 04:02 PM |
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Avonu said:
Red_Flag said:
Some new vacancy from Ubisoft
https://www.ubisoft.com/en-US/careers/search.aspx#sr-post-id=743999672718060
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Ability to defend one's point of view, even when unpopular
License to be brainwashed or brain-damaged, they mean. Reading that made my eyes roll in a way I think I developed permanent labyrinthitis.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 29, 2018 04:18 PM |
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Cheers Verriker
JollyJoker said:
And Galaad, with HoMM there is no safe and sound base. It would be safe and sound only, if it was completely clear what made H2 and H3 so well-liked. It's not, though. It's basically like Apollo 11. How could they land on the moon nearly 50 years ago? Or how could they build the Pyramids all these millenia ago?
Does H5 rings a bell? 3D and awful art direction aside it followed H3's footsteps 100% and enriched the existing gameplay further enough to feel like a proper sequel. And it was a success going beyond Ubisoft's expectations.
So I disagree that it's as obscure as the pyramids. 
You just need a lead designer knowing what he's doing.
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Elvin 
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 29, 2018 04:30 PM |
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verriker said:
I have the fluency in the Chinese English, and the French nice to have too, my girlfriend's great grandmother was French and so was my dog's lol
How can anyone in his right mind refute that ^^
So they're looking for a ChinErwan in Erwan's place?
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JollyJoker
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 29, 2018 04:53 PM |
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Quote:
JollyJoker said:
And Galaad, with HoMM there is no safe and sound base. It would be safe and sound only, if it was completely clear what made H2 and H3 so well-liked. It's not, though. It's basically like Apollo 11. How could they land on the moon nearly 50 years ago? Or how could they build the Pyramids all these millenia ago?
Does H5 rings a bell? 3D and awful art direction aside it followed H3's footsteps 100% and enriched the existing gameplay further enough to feel like a proper sequel. And it was a success going beyond Ubisoft's expectations.
So I disagree that it's as obscure as the pyramids.
You just need a lead designer knowing what he's doing.
I don't agree with the example H5, because if you were right, you (and Sal) wouldn't talk about H2 and H3 being the base, but instead H5 being the base. You don't though, and afaik Sal doesn't give a dime for H5.
And the lead designer knowing what they are doing ... hmm. Nival want to take Heroes 3D as the main target (and I know what your opinion about that looks like), and the combat "chess-like", which was the reason he fought so hard for that ridiculously small battlefield of 10x8 (you, know, in chess a battle starts with 50% of the squares being taken and pieces blocked, so what's the problem with that - he didn't think about the fact that things would look decidedly different if there was 8 different colours to pick from, each with their own set of pieces, and one of them having the ability to call a smaller copy of themselves).
So, yes, Nival studied the games before and EVENTUALLY came up with a good enough game, but ... ask Sal whether he plays it. Or ask how H5's (and 5.5s) playing time is with regard to that of H3 and Wog (now).
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 29, 2018 05:19 PM |
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Sal like most others who don't play H5 is mainly because of the 3D (and loading times), they don't speak for H5 as they didn't play it much. I have absolutely no objection whatsoever as for taking H5 as the base gameplay-wise, it's basically improved mechanics of H3. Maybe return to hexes. In an ideal world back to 2D (meaning gorgeous 2018 2D) but I can live with 3D.
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JollyJoker
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 29, 2018 05:46 PM |
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So you agree with the pseudo rts combat? Really? Going 3 times with your diving Griffins, heroes being part of that as well?
And you agree with the Warhammer Dark Elves? The few spells? The fixed magic for mage guilds? The few map objects incomparison with H4?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 29, 2018 05:51 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 18:02, 29 Jun 2018.
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You can single out problems for literally any game, I'm talking about the gameplay as a whole.
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Salamandre
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Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 29, 2018 05:57 PM |
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From what I've read H5 has great skill tree and many other goodies I am jealous of. Is the 3D which kills me, I had same problem for Civ5, newest Age of Wonders and such. Those weird perspectives confuse me and take away all the potential fun.
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JollyJoker
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 29, 2018 07:19 PM |
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@ Sal
Same thing is true for H4, and for you the difference is non-existant, you are not playing both.
@ Galaad
Again, you can single out problems for any game, including H4, and H4 gameplay is better than H3's in so many ways.
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Hired Hero
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posted June 29, 2018 07:24 PM |
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verriker said:
I will personally apply to be the Senior Brand Manager (Marketing) in Paris of the East lol
I am the Might & Magic Heroes brand expert and evangelist, bear in mind Ubisoft was so impressed with my expertise and evangelist on the Heroes Community and the Shadowy Council that they even invited me on an all expenses paid trip to Paris of the West lol
I have very good communication and interpersonal skills, my 15 QPs on the Heroes Community are the undeniable proof of that, plus just ask my great friend Galaad, an esteemed musician and Heroes Community Manager whom Ubisoft hold in the high regard, he will vouch that I am the good communication cheers lol
I have the ability to effectively manage concurrent projects (multitasking), I have endured the office job, done the hankey pankey, posted the evangelism on the forum, drove the car, drank the pint, assisted the Ashan in the Trashcan mod, eaten the dinner, walked the dog, and read the user manual all in one day, in that order, which is more than many Heroes fans can say lol
I have the ability to defend one's point of view, even when unpopular as there were many Ashanites who poo pooed me when I said Heroes 6 and 7 would be bad games whom I have proven wrong, I received many magnanimous messages to tell me I was right because I am great lol
I have the prior knowledge of the Might & Magic brands and lore a huge plus, never mind your Corak and Sheltem you filthy silly noob, do you even Orango Seventeen and Meenu brah, I do not think so lol
I have the extensive knowledge of the video game market, especially China /Asia and mobile industries, why just last year I have played Samurai Showdown 2 and the Dynasty Warriors which is a big proof that I know my modern Chinese epics, I also watched the Kung Fu Panda and the 42 Ronin with Asian actor Keanu Reeves lol
I have a prior work abroad and a renowned fantasist / RPG IP a big plus, the Russians gave me plenty of money to astroturf for King's Bounty The Legend and sabotage the competition, if you will ask Putin and Katauri they will confirm that I am a great asset of them lol
I have the fluency in the Chinese English, and the French nice to have too, my girlfriend's great grandmother was French and so was my dog's lol
in conclusion I will be the perfect person of the job, give me the Tencent and I will make the most of that or my name is not Tim Verriker cheers lol
jajaja, since the smile in your photo reminds me somehow of Le Breton, I'm not sure you're apt for the job...
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 29, 2018 09:08 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 21:09, 29 Jun 2018.
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JollyJoker said:
@ Galaad
Again, you can single out problems for any game, including H4, and H4 gameplay is better than H3's in so many ways.
So basically screw H3 and H5, let's go the H4 way? I mean that's your own subjective opinion but numbers and popularity say otherwise.
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JollyJoker
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 29, 2018 10:04 PM |
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I say, there is no safe base. There is no "paragon".
H4 did more than putting heroes on the battlefield. It changes the skill system, for example. It introduced Hero Classes (that is, a type of hero you become depending on the skills you pick).
That feature alone is worth a couple of thoughts. Hero specials you don't start with but acquite based on what happens.
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