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posted January 14, 2015 09:46 PM |
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To be honest i hoped to see a haven hero class with air magic in their main skills.
Have to agree, the "scarves" don't hit haven well... maybe masks and hoods could have been a better bet, or lighter helmets.
So we probably know now what the classes in dungeon, necropolis and stronghold are going to be.
Academy and Sylvan? My guess would be following:
Academy
Might: Can see two probable classes, Blademages and Alchemists. Maybe dervishes too, but not entirely sure. Something in me wants to see Windsword among academy classes.
Magic: Wizard for sure, the others might be Elementalists and maybe Artificers or Alchemists, the latter can easily become a magic class, instead of a might one.
One or two academy might classes will probably get magic skills among their main skills. Alchemist/artificer and warfare?
Sylvan
Might: Ranger. Not sure about the others, bladedancer is a creature, so they are out. Maybe the lost emerald knight creature or a "Warden class" might return as the defensive option? Maybe Warden. COld see Beastmaster but in this case we should rename it Deermaster, since there aren't many animal creatures in Sylvan.
Magic:
Druid. Again, not sure about others.
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted January 14, 2015 09:47 PM |
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Protolisk said:
So they aren't after Witches. They are after people who are against the standing religion in their nation.
Which is an Inquisitor.
There are no opposing religions. There are multiple incarnations of Asha and there are demon worshippers.
And I just described the differnece between an inquisitor and the witch-hunter.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted January 14, 2015 10:00 PM |
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fuChris said:
There are no opposing religions. There are multiple incarnations of Asha and there are demon worshippers.
Technically there are if you consider the other dragon gods/goddesses.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 14, 2015 10:21 PM |
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted January 14, 2015 10:59 PM |
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fuChris said:
Protolisk said:
So they aren't after Witches. They are after people who are against the standing religion in their nation.
Which is an Inquisitor.
There are no opposing religions. There are multiple incarnations of Asha and there are demon worshippers.
And I just described the differnece between an inquisitor and the witch-hunter.
fuChris said:
No matter how we look at it, an Inquisitor is still a priest first and warrior second.
The witch-hunter on the other hand is a crossbow/gun wielding warrior first and a priest second. Not to mention a torturing psycho in many cases. And in my book any character flaw they have can only improve the bland characters and story on the previous games, which is very much needed I belive.
There are three incarnations of Asha, six lesser dragon gods, Urgash and all his demonic progeny, and Mother Earth+Father Sky, as well as Sar Elaam.
The Empire really, REALLY likes Elrath and Asha's life aspect and little else. So, anyone that worships the other forms of Asha, any other Dragon god, be they a different element, demonic, or ascended, or worship nature without dragons are being heretical, and thus give Inquisitors "just cause", as it were, to "question" them.
Your description of Witch Hunters, it seems, is your own. I can't find much to back you up, as my initial search of Witch Hunters on Google brought up various different publications, but nothing at all like what you say beyond possibly Hansel and Gretal: Witch Hunters.
I assume you mean something like Abraham Van Helsing, but he didn't go after witches, he went after Dracula. If you are just professing a want of a character like this, he'd largely be by himself, I'd assume, and not really leading much of an army-leading kind of guy.
As for a character flaw, that fairly fits, again, an Inquisitor. That's sort of what the Spanish Inquisition was known for, although modern media plays it up much more, but torturous things such as the rack was certainly implemented.
And if you really want to be nit-picky, saying "No matter how we look at it, an Inquisitor is still a priest first and warrior second." is a bit naive. I assume you mean in fiction and what not, where if so, you'd have the Imperial Inquisition of Warhammer 40K to deal with, which are very, very much so warriors first and barely a priest at all second, only so much that they have to venerate the God Emperor as much as anyone else. Or possibly you could look at a less sci-fi and more fantastical series, in which case Dragon Age Inquisition most certainly has Inquisitors that don't even have to be priests at all. If you meant in real life, then you'd have the Inquisitors indeed be priests, but they acted in more of judge-jury functions than priestly ones, so although they weren't "Warrior first, Priest second" like you'd like them to be, they are more of a "Judge first, Priest second".
I get why you'd like them, but I don't think they fit very well at all, especially since there already is a hero class that functions nearly the same, with similar personality wise and can have the same drawbacks. The only real difference is crossbow (since I think guns are out of the question) versus magic. And considering Crossbowmen and those Dark Elves are core units, but most any magical units are of higher tier, I think we all know which is more versatile and effective. Still, they'd be finding Witches or "cultists" or whatever you want to call them, instead go with the more overarching name of Inquisitor instead of becoming super specialized for an entire class. Still, who knows, there might be a Hero specialty called Witch Hunter, much like Demon Hunter of a few other choice heroes, and they might have a specialized look if they are an important character, and so on...
Anyway, I like the heroes. Sure, they look like H6 Haven heroes for might, but that's a some uniformity, though those winged boots do seem a bit strange. I actually understand the magic ones, though I do feel like they should have had bigger hoods instead of balaclava mask scarf things if they wanted to go the whole "this is an anonymous hero who isn't important", but they already have the Chaplain and Abbot who look like, well, like they have big hoods or a helmet. So if they did that again, it'd look to similar to a unit already existing, and not so special looking. However, isn't the whole point by H5's time that the Necropolis people are basically infiltrated the Empire? Having them look similar makes the Necro's job easier.
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Kronos1000
Promising
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Fryslân Boppe
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posted January 14, 2015 11:08 PM |
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By the way, it looks like the different sub-classes will have distinct appearances. Take a look at this screenshot for example, the Haven hero definitely looks different here (and yes, I am aware the heroes are reversed), as he wears blue robes here, unlike the heroes in the other screenshots who look like the heroes in the artwork. So at least the colouring will be different. (Assuming that this is a different sub-class and not some early version of the model)
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Hwær cwom mearg? Hwær cwom mago?
Hwær cwom maþþumgyfa? - 'The Wanderer'
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted January 14, 2015 11:09 PM |
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I know we don't have that great a view, but we can get a sneaky-peak at the Priest variation (given the colours) in the below screenshot.
https://static14.cdn.ubi.com/mmh7/prod/images/140909_Screenshot/H7_Screen1.jpg
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted January 15, 2015 12:08 AM |
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Kronos1000 and Kimarous - I may be incorrect but this looks like a basic Magic Haven hero model taken directly from Heroes VI. I would say it is a placeholder rather than true hero from Heroes VII.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 15, 2015 12:12 AM |
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Hard to say when H7 looks to recycle a lot of H6 stuff.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted January 15, 2015 08:17 AM |
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Gotta keep that sweet, sweet consistency bruh.
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Kronos1000
Promising
Supreme Hero
Fryslân Boppe
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posted January 15, 2015 10:07 AM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Kronos1000 and Kimarous - I may be incorrect but this looks like a basic Magic Haven hero model taken directly from Heroes VI. I would say it is a placeholder rather than true hero from Heroes VII.
You're right. I had somehow forgotten what the Heroes 6 ones looked like.  Anyway, I do hope it's a placeholder rather than a reused asset.
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Hwær cwom mearg? Hwær cwom mago?
Hwær cwom maþþumgyfa? - 'The Wanderer'
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted January 15, 2015 11:24 AM |
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It's a reused asset 
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted January 15, 2015 11:45 AM |
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Another argument for snow terrain Haven.
Those robes would blend in perfectly.
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 15, 2015 12:51 PM |
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What's all this rubbish about Haven Magic heroes looking like H6 Necropolis heroes that I see in the commentaries on the blog? It doesn't look that way at all from here.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted January 15, 2015 12:56 PM |
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Stevie said:
What's all this rubbish about Haven Magic heroes looking like H6 Necropolis heroes that I see in the commentaries on the blog? It doesn't look that way at all from here.
Well It does look a lot like re-use/recycle to me personally. I'd have expected at the very least them to change the glowing eyes from the model since it's human, but I guess cutting corners really means cutting corners...
Pretty much same body type, posture and general features. Only details got changed in my eyes.
http://s8.postimg.org/bz0et3ez9/New_haven_with_old_necro_hero.jpg
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 15, 2015 01:03 PM |
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^What he said.
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 15, 2015 01:16 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 13:31, 15 Jan 2015.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't approve of the eyes, the thing covering his mouth, the rings and not even of the brown skin either from the Male model, but if you read the comments on the Necro garments in that picture you'd find that they are not accurate at all. That's why I think it's an undeserved comparison. It might have elements similar to Necro's like cloth and armor but from that to saying it's a remodel.. don't think so.
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The Young Traveler
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Kronos1000
Promising
Supreme Hero
Fryslân Boppe
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posted January 15, 2015 01:46 PM |
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I'm with Stevie on this one. The comparison with the Necropolis heroes seems far fetched to me, because it is most definitely a different model. There may be some similarities in the concept, but it is most certainly not a copy-paste job.
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Hwær cwom mearg? Hwær cwom mago?
Hwær cwom maþþumgyfa? - 'The Wanderer'
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted January 15, 2015 01:55 PM |
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I also don't get the fuss about re-using models from H6.
First of all, if they did re-use models - what's the problem? If you don't like the design, then that's a valid argument. But it's not like the design is bad because it's re-used. H3 is probably the game in the series that re-used most from it's predecessor. That in itself doesn't make the design bad.
Second, if it's the same artist (or boss) you would expect similarities in the result based on their style (or the directions of their superiors).
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted January 15, 2015 02:16 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 14:28, 15 Jan 2015.
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Brukernavn said:
I also don't get the fuss about re-using models from H6.
First of all, if they did re-use models - what's the problem? If you don't like the design, then that's a valid argument.
I'd rather say it's a subjective argument, no less nor more valid than the alternative.
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But it's not like the design is bad because it's re-used. H3 is probably the game in the series that re-used most from it's predecessor.
That in itself doesn't make the design bad.
Is this still about visuals or game mechanics?
If the former, then I have a hard time seeing it.
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