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Limbic-Jaelle
Shaper of Lore
Communication Management, Limbic Ent.
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posted February 26, 2015 12:48 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
I guess that's Czeck language,so I have no idea what it says.
No, it's polish.
But my polish is not good enough (yet), to understand, what's written there.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 26, 2015 12:57 PM |
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Galaad please...
Seriously, can you stop now. There was never a continuity in art or background. How directly do I have to tell that Individual games never influenced each other just shared the same vague myth of creation. Each one created their own new ones whit small trivias and loose threads of connection. Axeoth was as smooth of a transcendence as an amputation. You know how it felt to see hundreds of your beloved characters and places be instantly destroyed in the first seconds of a new instalment. Hell those 6+ times I rescued that place now look like a waste of time, and all those places I wanted to visit and now I will never have the opportunity. And let us not forget the drastically change in visuals, game play and interface. Compared to this Ashan is an Oscar nominee for writing. Do you know that those first 30 sec. killed H4 for me. I had no will to play it at all. If you want to know what the biggest frustration for a large majority of heroes players I know was? It was this. And it was something that NWC did, not even 3DO, those greedy US failures but NWC the people who made those memories and then just stomped on them. Maybe in retaliation for the death threats, who knows? Still you don't see me bashing people who tell tales of the greatest stories ever told in a heroes game. Too bad you had to burn my favourite restaurant for that. It kind of stole my appetite. It's a freaking decade people DECADE since Ashan is here and since that terrible piece of 1s and 0s was scraped. You want your precious game back, a game world where Liches and Devils are in the same town, unicorns have rainbow mains and medusas walk on legs? Because that is the world you root for. Since it was what killed the one you loved, not Ashan.
And guess what, Ashan has more game set in it now the any other world in the series. You are a decade to late. You're fighting a war that has been long won. You stand on the battlefield kicking rusty shields why your opponent sits at home served by those you loved and teaching his child about your lost.
If you want to change something, change your attitude towards ALL the worlds of Might and Magic, each and every one of them. Accept them only then will you be able to create a truly constructive contribution. Because until you do your blinded.
You speak here how Ashan hurt long-lasting players, how did it hurt? It didn't hurt me, or you, and we are one of them. It left the stories of old live their own lives, untouched, leaving space for us to return when we want, to make up stories of our own. And it had the decency not to spoil it them with its vision. Unlike Axeoth that killed them brutally with a cold gaze in its eyes.
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Sleeping_Sun
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Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted February 26, 2015 12:57 PM |
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Google translate (to the rescue):
When a strange man known as Jassad Attqua had finished his bestiary, left the peninsula. No one knows where he went, but at night of his disappearance strange events took place. Many residents Sorpigalu say they saw Glow ovoid object, which emerged from the depths of the sea, and had flown toward the starry sky.
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Limbic-Jaelle
Shaper of Lore
Communication Management, Limbic Ent.
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posted February 26, 2015 12:58 PM |
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I tried to translate it with the help of my good friend Google Translator. 
A strange man, known as Jassad Attqua, finished his bestiary and left the peninsula. No one knows where he went, but on the night of his disappearance strange events occurred. Many residents of Sorpigalu claim to have seen a glowing oval object, which emerged from the depths of sea and flew off in the direction of the starry sky.
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 26, 2015 01:01 PM |
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Quote:
When weird man known as Jassad Attqua finished his bestiary, he left the peninsula. Nobody knows where he went but in the night of his disappearance strange events occurred. Many dwellers of Sorpigal claim that they saw egg-shaped shining object, which emerged from the depths of the sea and flew toward the starry sky.
translated it from polish for you
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 26, 2015 01:01 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
I guess that's Czeck language,so I have no idea what it says.
Oh come on that's Polish. Czech doesn't use W and so many Zs and we use a lot more diacritis.
Toto je ukázka českého jazyka pokud už by jsi měl zájem vidět jak vypadá jeho použití v praxi.
@Verriker
Hey verikir, ever heard of the word Trivia, or easter egg?
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 26, 2015 01:03 PM |
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Seems to be from Legacy - it was one of Marzhin's nods to the SF background of the M&M series if I'm not completely wrong.
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lordgraa
Promising
Famous Hero
The Whisperer
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posted February 26, 2015 01:10 PM |
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Just play MaM X and see this "outro" in your native language for your selves Maybe he collected all those data for future Heroes/MM game in the far far far far far... are we there yet? ... far far far away galaxy! So... Ashan can be "safetly" scraped 
BTW for those who are interested this is Czech language: "Nejnezdevětadevadesáteroznásobovávatelnějšími" - yep it`s a single word =o)
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World of Heroes (Czech fansite)
The Shadows Over Ashan (H7 community DLC)
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 26, 2015 01:12 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
And let us not forget the drastically change in visuals, game play and interface. Compared to this Ashan is an Oscar nominee for writing.
I, uh, whaaa...?
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 26, 2015 01:12 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
@Verriker
Hey verikir, ever heard of the word Trivia, or easter egg?
well, since you clearly haven't been paying attention, Marzhin confirmed here at HC that it's the same character, with the same hi-tech intergalactic egg spaceship, and even gave out lore about how he got to Ashan from Axeoth lol
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted February 26, 2015 01:15 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 13:21, 26 Feb 2015.
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verriker said:
His bestiary completed, the strange man known as Jassad Attqua left the Peninsula. Nobody knows where he went, but the night of his disappearance, strange events were witnessed.
Several villagers of Sorpigal claim they saw a bright egg-shaped object spring up from the depths of the sea and ascend into the starry sky.
The "egg-shaped object" is actually a Golden Egg artifact from Heroes 6. 
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"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 26, 2015 01:15 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 13:19, 26 Feb 2015.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted February 26, 2015 01:22 PM |
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verriker said:
well, the very fact that you can distinguish between an "old universe" with Enroth and a "new universe" with Ashan is you agreeing with me that Enroth does not exist in their canon lol
verriker said:
well, since you clearly haven't been paying attention, Marzhin confirmed here at HC that it's the same character, with the same hi-tech intergalactic egg spaceship, and even gave out lore about how he got to Ashan from Axeoth lol
Well now, does Enroth exists in cannon or it doesn't? I mean its in the same universe as Axeoth... just blown up I guess...
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted February 26, 2015 01:24 PM |
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verriker said:
well, since you clearly haven't been paying attention, Marzhin confirmed here at HC that it's the same character, with the same hi-tech intergalactic egg spaceship, and even gave out lore about how he got to Ashan from Axeoth lol
OK.. I know some people take things a bit to literal but the fact, that a creator decides to put small hints of other media into his work, does not automatically connect their work to the one they are referring. For Example. The use of typical star trek greetings, or the fact that codes in VARN were the names of the original crew spelled backwards, doesn't mean that Enroth was set in the same universe as Star trek, or in a universe where star trek is known.
Also The presence of one character and some hint of flat worlds flying in space does not tie Ashan to the ancients. Understood now.
They pay homage to something they think is good and should be remembered.
Avirosb said:
Dave_Jame said:
And let us not forget the drastically change in visuals, game play and interface. Compared to this Ashan is an Oscar nominee for writing.
I, uh, whaaa...?
I mean this Avirosb, The intro of H4 is the worst, and the most cheapest, plot device in a game ever. And not even Ysabella reading Findans terrible poetry could top it. For those who didn't know the story of Chronicles this was punch out of nowhere.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted February 26, 2015 01:43 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
Well now, does Enroth exists in cannon or it doesn't? I mean its in the same universe as Axeoth... just blown up I guess...
I don't think Axeoth exists in their canon because Erwin still goes on about "Ashan, the new universe of Might&Magic" in all the latest interviews, even though MMX Legacy contradicts him lol
to be perfectly honest, even if they have connected Ashan to the old universe, I would probably write their stuff off as fanfiction at this point lol
Dave_Jame said:
OK.. I know some people take things a bit to literal but the fact, that a creator decides to put small hints of other media into his work, does not automatically connect their work to the one they are referring. For Example. The use of typical star trek greetings, or the fact that codes in VARN were the names of the original crew spelled backwards, doesn't mean that Enroth was set in the same universe as Star trek, or in a universe where star trek is known.
Also The presence of one character and some hint of flat worlds flying in space does not tie Ashan to the ancients. Understood now.
They pay homage to something they think is good and should be remembered.
ah I see, thanks for overruling Marzhin to clear everything up Dave Jame, you've been a real help lol
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted February 26, 2015 01:53 PM |
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Just reminder about Jassad:
Marzhin said:
It is the same character. And I did ask Geary Gravel's permission. He even validated Jassad's in-game portrait.
And yes, Erwan gave his blessing for this cameo. As long as cyborgs and aliens and other visitors from outer space remain as cameos, nods and references, he has no problem with it. But these links to the Ancient Universe will never become the focal point of Ashan-based games.
My "unofficial" explanation is that Ashan and the Ancient Universe exist on opposite edges of the Void. The Ancient Universe is a universe where science explains everything, even magic, while Ashan is the opposite. Yet links and passages exist between the two universes, and characters are mirrored too. It's like the yin and yang of the Might & Magic franchise as a whole
But that's not an official lore thing, just my own rationalization of these easter eggs.
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"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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EPICUSDOOMICUS
Known Hero
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posted February 26, 2015 02:02 PM |
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Galaad said:
Kobalt,
They should hire you as main designer, and make the faction.
I second that.
Galaad said:
What you just posted now is mind-blowing. It shows how simple it is to make things right. Such artistic direction, and go crazy with the story-telling to get out of all these boundaries, maybe for Heroes VIII ...
I second that, too.
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To die in battle is the greatest glory.
To choose to do so is the greatest honor!
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 26, 2015 02:03 PM |
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Dave Jame,
Thanks for your post. The problem is that some players gets a feeling that the H1-H4 had a peculiar aura that has gone missing with Ubisoft’s arrival. For these players, the environment of Heroes has changed drastically and not for the better, and this is the continuity in art I am talking about. We came to agree with Sandro400 that if the general art direction was handled in a way closer to this feel I keep mentioning, Ashan would be less of a problem. It would certainly do a lot of good, as it would allow some to ignore background in general if they choose to or do not care enough for it. But it would only hide the problem imo, as they are still some people out there like Verriker -who could write a full thesis about the background in the series if he wanted to- who are more than annoyed by all that happened. I won’t comment much on Heroes IV, but I have to say you may be the first person telling me you find Ashan’s story-telling superior to Axeoth’s, or did I understand you wrong? Personally, the only major down-side I see to this iteration is the gameplay, even if I didn’t like Necroferno in the slightest (but who did?). Also, I never implied anywhere I was rooting for the last NWC Heroes game, if anything, I thought it was made pretty clear even though is in my opinion Heroes II had the best atmosphere of all games I root for Heroes III, but you can’t deny Heroes IV had other great qualities and potential. As some other fans have voiced, the alternative units in the Champion tier is a great step forward in the franchise, and I think I can safely say I speak for most wishing for this system to expand into a 4/4/2 or even 5/5/3 system. I am sorry if I burnt your favorite restaurant, I only wish for the original feel of the series to come back, and Kobalt’s Fortress units seems like providence to me in that hope and direction. If no one objects, I will most certainly show them to the Team when I get there, as he made them for the greater glory of the franchise, even willing to offer it for Ashan, which would, IMO, do a lot of good nevertheless.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 26, 2015 02:24 PM |
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Your art is fantastic, Kobalt - faithful to the H3 spirit, yet with an style that could fit in Ashan. Well done 
kobalt said:
This brings me with a question for you guys though: Seeing as both Wyverns and Hydras do belong to an Ashan faction, what other creatures do you think would fit better in a Swamp line-up?
I believe Waspworts from Heroes IV would fit this faction.
War-Overlord did his own Fortress faction, you could use some of those ideas too I guess?
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted February 26, 2015 02:41 PM |
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Avirosb said:
Dave_Jame said:
And let us not forget the drastically change in visuals, game play and interface. Compared to this Ashan is an Oscar nominee for writing.
I, uh, whaaa...?
I mean this Avirosb, The intro of H4 is the worst, and the most cheapest, plot device in a game ever. And not even Ysabella reading Findans terrible poetry could top it. For those who didn't know the story of Chronicles this was punch out of nowhere.
Oh, so it was about cutscenes. I don't get the point of throwing gameplay and interface into the mix but at least I'm getting what you were going for.
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
