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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted May 11, 2015 03:35 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
Oh didn't you hear? They have changed Dungeon, it is now a faction of Ants, and Ant Queen as champion tier unit that has an ability to produce other Ants...
Yeah, I can't wait to see them either!
1000% more interesting than the spider cult
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted May 11, 2015 03:57 PM |
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Not really.
I guess that's how it is. No matter the arguments people might come up it, what people believe surpasses the truth. Anything you don't acknowledge is meaningless, anyone who likes what you don't is tasteless.
No amount of discussion ever change that, because you are not capable of even considering the possibility that you might be wrong in your prejudice.
This community stopped in evolution, you can see exact same discussions here and 400 pages earlier. It's pathetic.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted May 11, 2015 04:00 PM |
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Not quite, the discussion stopped during h6, we see the same things like back then.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted May 11, 2015 04:39 PM |
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I'm out of ideas. Forget your history and you're doomed to repeat the past, but this community never even knew its history. The legacy of Heroes doesn't matter to you, all that matters is to recklessly bury it beneath Erwin's sweet spidery lies and bitter spider poison.
You don't remember the fun, the "just one more turn" magic. You couldn't - you briefly read about those games on wiki and skipped right past them, Ubi's shadows are all you know. Anything you don't personally like is prejudiced, pathetic and conservative, it's that simple.
You people are as hard to believe as whoever it is that still watches new Simpsons episodes, satisfied to justify anything, no ambition or standards. It's sad.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted May 11, 2015 05:16 PM |
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verriker said:
I'm out of ideas. Forget your history and you're doomed to repeat the past, but this community never even knew its history. The legacy of Heroes doesn't matter to you, all that matters is to recklessly bury it beneath Erwin's sweet spidery lies and bitter spider poison.
You don't remember the fun, the "just one more turn" magic. You couldn't - you briefly read about those games on wiki and skipped right past them, Ubi's shadows are all you know. Anything you don't personally like is prejudiced, pathetic and conservative, it's that simple.
You people are as hard to believe as whoever it is that still watches new Simpsons episodes, satisfied to justify anything, no ambition or standards. It's sad.
I have to disagree. The only part of Heroes that I had no contact with is Heroes II and my playtime of Heroes IV was llimited to 1 hour only, yet the game left quite a positive impression on me. I've been afraid to say this but I think the time has come to reveal the truth.
A few weeks ago I bought myself Heroes III with Armageddon's Blade and Shadow of Death. I was quite excited to play the game, as I was finally able to feel the "creme de la creme" of the Heroes franchise. I played the game on two consecutive weekends , after which I deinstalled the game. I did not feel the magic of that game at all. Moreover, I felt that playing Heroes III was a burden. This game did not suit my taste at all. There was something, I have no idea what that is though, that made this game so tiring. Heroes V gameplay was much smoother and more likeable to me. I respect the legacy of previous game but it seems that the fan's favourite may turn out to be my least liked Heroes game. It was one of my most shocking experiences of recent months, trust me.
Am I prejudiced? Maybe. But please, don't tell me that I have no experience in previous games. Despite being a Heroes fan shorter than you are I have the same right to express my opnion and any criticism towards current Heroes games.
PS. I liked Heroes I. I think that this had to be mentioned. 
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted May 11, 2015 05:22 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
I have to disagree. The only part of Heroes that I had no contact with is Heroes II and my playtime of Heroes IV was llimited to 1 hour only, yet the game left quite a positive impression on me. I've been afraid to say this but I think the time has come to reveal the truth.
A few weeks ago I bought myself Heroes III with Armageddon's Blade and Shadow of Death. I was quite excited to play the game, as I was finally able to feel the "creme de la creme" of the Heroes franchise. I played the game on two consecutive weekends , after which I deinstalled the game. I did not feel the magic of that game at all. Moreover, I felt that playing Heroes III was a burden. This game did not suit my taste at all. There was something, I have no idea what that is though, that made this game so tiring. Heroes V gameplay was much smoother and more likeable to me. I respect the legacy of previous game but it seems that the fan's favourite may turn out to be my least liked Heroes game. It was one of my most shocking experiences of recent months, trust me.
Am I prejudiced? Maybe. But please, don't tell me that I have no experience in previous games. Despite being a Heroes fan shorter than you are I have the same right to express my opnion and any criticism towards current Heroes games.
PS. I liked Heroes I. I think that this had to be mentioned.
uh, it's flattering that you take my mindless parody post so seriously, but it was just a mindless parody post dude lol
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icefield
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 11, 2015 06:54 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
verriker said:
I'm out of ideas. Forget your history and you're doomed to repeat the past, but this community never even knew its history. The legacy of Heroes doesn't matter to you, all that matters is to recklessly bury it beneath Erwin's sweet spidery lies and bitter spider poison.
You don't remember the fun, the "just one more turn" magic. You couldn't - you briefly read about those games on wiki and skipped right past them, Ubi's shadows are all you know. Anything you don't personally like is prejudiced, pathetic and conservative, it's that simple.
You people are as hard to believe as whoever it is that still watches new Simpsons episodes, satisfied to justify anything, no ambition or standards. It's sad.
I have to disagree. The only part of Heroes that I had no contact with is Heroes II and my playtime of Heroes IV was llimited to 1 hour only, yet the game left quite a positive impression on me. I've been afraid to say this but I think the time has come to reveal the truth.
A few weeks ago I bought myself Heroes III with Armageddon's Blade and Shadow of Death. I was quite excited to play the game, as I was finally able to feel the "creme de la creme" of the Heroes franchise. I played the game on two consecutive weekends , after which I deinstalled the game. I did not feel the magic of that game at all. Moreover, I felt that playing Heroes III was a burden. This game did not suit my taste at all. There was something, I have no idea what that is though, that made this game so tiring. Heroes V gameplay was much smoother and more likeable to me. I respect the legacy of previous game but it seems that the fan's favourite may turn out to be my least liked Heroes game. It was one of my most shocking experiences of recent months, trust me.
Am I prejudiced? Maybe. But please, don't tell me that I have no experience in previous games. Despite being a Heroes fan shorter than you are I have the same right to express my opnion and any criticism towards current Heroes games.
PS. I liked Heroes I. I think that this had to be mentioned.
Understandable. H3 and H5 have common ideas, but I regard them as very different games. H3 is fast-paced in its moves, a game about strategic map domination with random elements. Strategic depth but not so much detail. H5 is full of interesting small details, but also can become really slow in comparison. I like both, actually.
H6 managed to combine bad aspects from both games, it seems. Let's hope that it will be the better parts this time.
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The_Green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted May 11, 2015 06:57 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
The only part of Heroes that I had no contact with is Heroes II and my playtime of Heroes IV was llimited to 1 hour only, yet the game left quite a positive impression on me. I've been afraid to say this but I think the time has come to reveal the truth.
A few weeks ago I bought myself Heroes III with Armageddon's Blade and Shadow of Death. I was quite excited to play the game, as I was finally able to feel the "creme de la creme" of the Heroes franchise. I played the game on two consecutive weekends , after which I deinstalled the game. I did not feel the magic of that game at all. Moreover, I felt that playing Heroes III was a burden. This game did not suit my taste at all. There was something, I have no idea what that is though, that made this game so tiring. Heroes V gameplay was much smoother and more likeable to me. I respect the legacy of previous game but it seems that the fan's favourite may turn out to be my least liked Heroes game. It was one of my most shocking experiences of recent months, trust me.
Am I prejudiced? Maybe. But please, don't tell me that I have no experience in previous games. Despite being a Heroes fan shorter than you are I have the same right to express my opnion and any criticism towards current Heroes games.
PS. I liked Heroes I. I think that this had to be mentioned.
Sounds to me like you can't see past the 2d graphics. Which is often the biggest obstacle for most players that try the old games last.
Ok you like heroes 1, do you still play it? You say you like heroes 4 but stopped after an hour and never played heroes 2, which I find strange if you liked heroes 1 but whatever.
I've seen this first hand with two different friends of mine that started heroes with number 5 and after we played that one enough and I saw they like the game, I'd try and show them any of the older ones (cause I dislike h5 very much) and the first thing they say is....oh it's 2d. Most of the thier attention is already gone and they don't even give it a real chance after that.
I mean no offense but saying h5 is just smoother and more like able......how is that even possible? I think you just like 3d images over 2d. If you don't think so then I'd highly recommend the game that is practically tied with h3 (imo) : heroes 2.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted May 11, 2015 07:58 PM |
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The_Green_drag said:
Sounds to me like you can't see past the 2d graphics. Which is often the biggest obstacle for most players that try the old games last.
Ok you like heroes 1, do you still play it? You say you like heroes 4 but stopped after an hour and never played heroes 2, which I find strange if you liked heroes 1 but whatever.
No, 2D is not an issue. I have nothing against 2D graphics, moreover, I find Heroes I and II to have a truly great artstyle. I did stop playing Heroes I, but the reason why is quite bizzare - I have very serious issues with winning any play Heroes I. Additionally, I have found Heroes I on a Polish fansite called "Tawerna", where it was downloadable for free, so I took a chance of it. Sooner or later I will buy myself full copies but sadly, during Humble M&M Bundle I had hardly any cash on my card and sadly, I did not buy these two games. 
Speaking of Heroes IV. I played it once on my friend's laptop once for only an hour, so this is why I only spent one hour.
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gourley4p
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 11, 2015 10:15 PM |
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To contribute to the discussion of where the past of the franchise and its current path intersect...
Heroes games ranked in the order I played most
III (hotseat with a college roommate in 1999-2000)
V
VI
IV
II
Chronicles
PS2 version
Heroes games ranked in the order I liked most
V
IV
VI
III
II
Chronicles
PS2 version
I liked the cohesion of the campaign stories in V and VI most. Sure they were a little cheesy and over-the-top. But I felt like there was a real world that mostly was consistent.
I enjoyed the individual stories (not as a whole) for IV. And I liked that heroes could join the battle. Of course, 3DO implemented the heroes as combatant mechanic poorly. And I just tried my best to ignore the wacky "we blew up our world and moved to another" bit.
For III, my best memories are playing hotseat with my friend. I don't fondly remember any of the campaigns. We simply played it as chess with unique graphics.
As I am older now and play mostly solo, the story elements become more important to me than ever. I need a reason to be manipulating the chess pieces. In that sense, I would call myself a fan of Ashan because I get a greater sense of consistency in the setting--even with retcons.
All of that said, I have seen many of you post about how the Heroes series used to dovetail with the dungeon crawling version. The only M&M game I completed was IV (Xeen, back when I had to give the 5th word of the second paragraph of page 24 of the manual to prove I owned it). I played III, but never finished it. Never played any of the others. And I never played DMoMM, so I think I am missing something there.
At any rate, I hope that we all can unite as fans of the series rather than continuing pointless bickering. Happy Monday, all.
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted May 11, 2015 11:52 PM |
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Wow ... you are one of few ... if not even first person ever that thinks H4 AND H6 were better than H3. More power to you.
Now I know people don't care, but here is Heroes games, in order I liked the most:
1.) Heroes III (played it the most aswell - mostly hotseat, and am enjoying it still with my friends from time to time. It's not the most complex, nor the most deep or most balanced of the series, but it has great polish to it. It's fast, it's got great ammount of maps, editor is easy to work with ... the best 1v1 or coop hotseat game imo of all Heroes games. Some things are WAY OP sure, but this is what makes it fun, as you Fly over terrain with your angel shoes or finish off your enemy with 10,000 dmg Dragogedon  . Unfair at times, but fun. This is the reason for being number one)
2.) Heroes V (This to me is like Heroes 3, but more balanced, with new elements added and deeper strategy options. In essence is deeper and fairer version of H3. But has drawbacks, with AI, that is starting to be annoying, moves that take very long time due to 3D graphics and it realy felt unfinished at release. After 2 expansions I like it even more than H3, but it needed 2 expansions and few years to get good, which is something games shouldn't be proud of. It became good when it was old news and people stoped playing it.)
3.) Heroes of Might and Magic (the first one ofc and the classic. It's first HoMM game I played, and I admit I like it mostly of nostalgia reasons. It's realy unbalanced game, and I still remember the horror of Ghosts for eg. Back then it was awsome, as it was realy first time, I played a game like this (had SNES before and not much PC). Compared to other titles tho, it's realy outdated.)
4. Heroes II (yes Heroes of Might and Magic II. It does everything the first one did, but better. Better graphics, better animation, and ofc the debut of Necropolis. Now I have Ghosts. They were nerfed tho ... obviously. Also I find it better in terms of multiplayer. This was first HoMM title I played with my friend whith which I latter played all these games (First game I played only single-player). Better in all respects than H1, but I remember H1 with greater deal of nostalgia, and has special place in my hearth. Also H1 has best Townscreens of all games imo.)
5. Heroes IV (This game ... is the only game I didn't buy. And friend gave me his copy for free coz he didn't like it. This says a lot. I REALY REALY want to like this game. And there is PLENTY of reasons for it. But I just can't get to like it. I hardly even played it, and forgot a lot about it. It DOES have some realy interasting stuff, and it's imo the most complex and deep game of all HoMM games so far. Stuff like heroless army movement, alterante creatures, heroes as units etc. I can't say why I don't like it, but I just don't. Everytime I started to play with enthusaism for great features, I got bored for some reason ... graphics and animations also seem off to me.)
6. Heroes VI (Sixth game on sixth place is fitting. It's only game I actualy like LESS than H4. When I played demo, I taught it would be great game. But soon after 3-4 games I realize it's downsides. But game, similar than H4, LOOKS good on paper, but anoying AI, unfunctional UI, lack of heroes choice, no weapon artifacts, unless you finish campaign and many more bad choices drag it down ... H6 DOES surprisingly have also a few good stuff, and invoative things. But the last straw was, that after certain patch came, it become UNPLAYABLE just because I own Nvidia GFX. And I WON'T DOWNGRADE MY DRIVERS FOR ONE GAME. Issue is now fixed as far as I know, but I haven't played it since. And my friends don't own this game, and because I mostly play LAN ... yea ... no H6 for me. I also have not buy any of DLC's/Expansions for this game.)
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Where will H7 be? Who knows, but imo it has a chance to be good game, and for Ubi to get back on track. So far it looks like a game H6 WANTED to be, as a lot of good decisions are kept, while bad decisions are reversed/changed. There ARE few dubious choices with skill tree (tho I think it will work out in the end), and lore, not to mention reused assets ... but overall I think H7 has a chance to be next to H5 on my list even ... But we'll see. I won't do same mistake as last time with H6. I'll wait untill price drops/reviews are out before deciding if I would buy it. If it will deliver on it's promises, it will be great game. But if it will fail, it can become another H6, and not worth my money. Game LOOKS good now ... will it be good ? Only time will tell.
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gourley4p
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 12, 2015 03:48 AM |
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Zombi_Wizzard said:
Wow ... you are one of few ... if not even first person ever that thinks H4 AND H6 were better than H3. More power to you.
Well better than is tough for me to say, but I definitely like Iv more than III as solo experience. For competitive play, I'd want III. Also, Necroferno sucked for me; I like those factions separate.
Zombi_Wizzard said:
1.) Heroes III...It's not the most complex, nor the most deep or most balanced of the series, but it has great polish to it. It's fast, it's got great ammount of maps, editor is easy to work with ... the best 1v1 or coop hotseat game imo of all Heroes games. Some things are WAY OP sure, but this is what makes it fun
Well said.
Zombi_Wizzard said:
2.) Heroes V...realy felt unfinished at release. After 2 expansions I like it even more than H3, but it needed 2 expansions and few years to get good
I quite agree. I bought it at release. Played for about a week and then uninstalled. Bought IV out of desperation and played it for a long while until V got better.
Zombi_Wizzard said:
5. Heroes IV...It DOES have some realy interasting stuff, and it's imo the most complex and deep game of all HoMM games so far. Stuff like heroless army movement, alterante creatures, heroes as units etc.
One of my favorite parts is going through the Nature campaign and having to start one of the stages with no creatures. You have to rely on your summoning skills. I thought it was very cool. Like you, I didn't enjoy the art as much as III or even II.
Zombi_Wizzard said:
Where will H7 be? Who knows, but imo it has a chance to be good game, and for Ubi to get back on track. So far it looks like a game H6 WANTED to be, as a lot of good decisions are kept, while bad decisions are reversed/changed.
This is sorta how I feel. It's a clear attempt to correct the mistakes of VI. I am a little scared for the performance--not for me personally, but for the good of the franchise.
I am expecting to like the story somewhat and to enjoy the campaigns. I hope it brings back the hotseat magic of III. Maybe it will be the intersection of what I liked about III's multiplayer and the story of IV/V/VI. I'll be ready to call my college roommate!
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DierdreOfAmber
Hired Hero
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posted May 12, 2015 06:18 PM |
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[url=https://mmh7.ubi.com/en/blog/post/view/skills-economy-paragon]Paragon and Economy[/url] are up.
I see some tasty Suzerain combos.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted May 12, 2015 06:19 PM |
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NEW article!
https://mmh7.ubi.com/en/blog/post/view/skills-economy-paragon
And, uh, there is a PS2 version of HOMM?
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted May 12, 2015 06:29 PM |
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Some perks are extremely bland there. +2 to two stats, duh.
Economy skills should give extra bonuses depending on hero level. That way you could be tempted to pick it with your main, plain bonuses make them suitable for secondary heroes only.
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted May 12, 2015 06:31 PM |
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So Paragon is the new enlightenment. Well, that solves that. It seems like a very bare bones skill.
Scholar is the same. Fighter ad Dragon Blood are bonuses that I suppose can supplement your Might and Magic heroes rather equally. Arcane intuition is Eagle eye we all know and love tolerate. At least is is 50%. Enlightened Leader is weird though, it increases EXP, but only in town control. Isn't the point of most of these increased EXP ups is that you'll fight out of your town control? I guess a secondary hero can aid a primary by getting this quickly, and then perhaps Suzerain if they really need it. Mentor gives 25% EXP. That seems kinda small. Master of Magic seems like it can help a Magic hero, more like a weakened Arcane Omniscience of H5 academy.
Economy plus Diplomacy looks like it will dominate for a secondary hero pick. Double build speeds things along insanely. Increased wood and ore? Merchant is fine until you have an already respectable town count, but for mulitplayer I assume that doesn't happen unless you are already on the road to victory. Free rare resource? Gold cost reduced? Then creature cost reduced? And the GM doesn't even need Suzerain, though Suzerain already buffs 4 out of 6 of the non-GM abilities. Once you get Suz and all these, I doubt you'll have a tough time buying all your units unless units are really expensive.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted May 12, 2015 06:34 PM |
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Quote:
...suitable for secondary heroes only.
Please no secondary heroes like it was in H6. One of major fails of the game.
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted May 12, 2015 06:58 PM |
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Dies_Irae said:
I have little to say about the Paragon-part. The skills seem to comply with their level. Especially Master of Magic is a good one for the Grandmaster tier. Economy, however, features something I would put in a different location: I'm talking about Town Planner. Being able to build 2 things in the same turn is a powerful tool that allows a much quicker development of your town. In H6 it is only available at level 15 and only for Might heroes, which indicates this skill's strength.
There it is called Architect III, and since I discovered the usefulness of the skill I have put it to good use more than once. Architect here, which reduces the cost of buildings, is actually a skill before Architect III in H6. It would therefore be more likely if you put Town Planner at least on Expert, and Architect on Novice. I like the return of the Merchant trait, which is again a useful one if you find yourself short on towns and therefore marketplaces.
"Architect" as we see it here is a bit different from H6's Architect II, though. Here it reduces gold cost by 20%. In H6 it only counted for upgrades and conversions, and reduced the cost for this by 20% (rather than only the amount of gold needed).
Upon closer investigation: "Paragon will increase the hero’s experience gain". Only "Enlightened Leader" seems to do that. There is nothing here like 'true' Enlightenment which increases exp gained by the hero by x%, 20 like in H6. If you want Paragon to help, among other things, the increase of exp, maybe throw in a skill or two that may help in doing that. Enlightened Leader is too restrictive for it only works in one's area of control, and of one town only.
In short, my thoughts on these skills/abilites/whatevers . Freshly copied from the SC.
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The_Green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted May 12, 2015 07:00 PM |
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How nice, they even offered us a way to get rid of the boring castle development! Now we can just be super economists and have lots of rescource income, all costs decreased, and just build two things in one day.
The small amount of strategy left in this game is sucked out in single skill. Too mead everything must be over powered.
@EnergyW
The Ps2 heroes is actually just a kings bounty game under the heroes name. Still a fun game though.
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icefield
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 12, 2015 07:11 PM |
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There must not be any Heroes games without the Eagle Eye skill.
This time they are serious in encouraging parking a hero in town? By successfully defending against strong armies, he will level up and via paragon and economy gain extra stats, experience, magic, and town bonuses without ever adventuring elsewhere.
This makes sense in specific defense scenarios and for scripted AI heros, maybe. Will Eagle Eye & Co actually be useful in H7?
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