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properkheldar
Famous Hero
Keeper of books
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posted June 21, 2015 03:42 PM |
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All this hateful artwork against Erwan is really tastefull. Especially when depicting him dead.
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celiton
Hired Hero
Thinking before doing
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posted June 21, 2015 03:50 PM |
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Edited by celiton at 15:52, 21 Jun 2015.
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Salamandre said:
I wonder how 16 years ago they could come with the genius perspective H2 had,
wait, the problem is that H2 had no perspective, H2 uses parallel projection. It might be true, that this gives you better overview of battlefield and its elements, but 16 years ago there were no (or maybe very very low) demands on scenes to look realistic. Perspective is the standard used nowadays because it gives some realistic feeling to the scene. It is up to developers how to handle it so scene does not feel artificial and its element are still clear. I agree that zooming out is making things worse (I understand that devs want to give us wonderful landscape during battles). However, matter of projection is not the right thing to bash the developers. They did what every other developers would do.....
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted June 21, 2015 04:02 PM |
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OmegaDestroyer said:
There is no excuse.
Elvin said:
Limbic took over after BH went bankrupt. They did not appear out of nowhere, they witnessed H6 firsthand.
I know that many of you are fed up with devs who fall on deaf ears to your remarks but currently there isn't much we can do, just laugh. In that aspect I consider what currently LizardWarrior and verriker do as the best option to keep ourselves sane.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 21, 2015 04:03 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 16:29, 21 Jun 2015.
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@Lizardwarrior
Such artwork will not be tolerated. Next time there will be a penalty.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 21, 2015 04:15 PM |
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Edited by EnergyZ at 16:21, 21 Jun 2015.
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celiton said:
Salamandre said:
I wonder how 16 years ago they could come with the genius perspective H2 had,
wait, the problem is that H2 had no perspective, H2 uses parallel projection. It might be true, that this gives you better overview of battlefield and its elements, but 16 years ago there were no (or maybe very very low) demands on scenes to look realistic. Perspective is the standard used nowadays because it gives some realistic feeling to the scene. It is up to developers how to handle it so scene does not feel artificial and its element are still clear. I agree that zooming out is making things worse (I understand that devs want to give us wonderful landscape during battles). However, matter of projection is not the right thing to bash the developers. They did what every other developers would do.....
Is there any "real" demand for "real" graphics? I mean it does not need to be on level like Witcher nor Skyrim. I mean, it is nice, but shouldn't be put to first priority, unlike game mechanics. But devs don't realize that.
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celiton
Hired Hero
Thinking before doing
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posted June 21, 2015 04:21 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
Is there any "real" demand for "real" graphics? I mean it does not need to be on level like Witcher nor Skyrim. I mean, it is nice, but shouldn't be put to first priority, unlike game mechanics. But devs don't realize that.
Well you answered yourself  You know, what is the point of creating new and new titles in the series, when there would be no (or small) progression in both graphics and mechanics?
So,
What is the first priority? Graphics or mechanics?
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leiah2
Known Hero
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posted June 21, 2015 04:23 PM |
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Well, the Blade dance might not be overly awesome but the rest of the units look really good in my opinion.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 21, 2015 04:29 PM |
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I spend 80% of my Heroes game time on the battlefield. I don't know about people (who exactly) asking for realistic graphics, but this is Counter strike style, realistic graphics. I play Heroes because is close to chess but also fun because graphics variety, sounds and rewards. Someone told "because you can zoom", which I think is a dumb action. If you need to zoom, your field of view is reduced, and you can't move a creature if you don't see all dangers.
Try to zoom in chess before moving, how you like it?
All in all, for me personally this is the main reason I have no interest in buying or trying the game. You can have top notch graphics without going into 3D burrito, if it starts to look as Command and Conquer, I buy C&C which is anyway better at what is supposed to do.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted June 21, 2015 04:41 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 16:42, 21 Jun 2015.
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Green Dragon looks ridiculous, like a lizard with wig or a dead dragon in Disciples II style (which wouldn't be a bad thing on its own, but I have different view on how dragons in HoM&M series should look like). Pixie reminds me of her:
 , which is not a bad thing, I guess it could've been worse. Blade Dancers were always meh for me. Now the Moon Doe looks a bit worse then I expected. I know many of you guys were against this unit (oh wow a deer! How interesting... A horse with a horn is sooo much more interesting ;P), whereas I was like 'yay!', but the units actual look does not impress me. For one, she's too fluorescent...
Btw I see a lot of negativity before the game is even released (me myself also, I'm already quite dissatisfied). H6 Deja vu? I know it's a pipe dream, but I would really love to see a 2,5D style Heroes game (traditional art but with some nice modern tricks). I know that fancy 3D graphics is a bait for new players, but maybe this way it would attract some indie-lovers: "hey look zat game haz a really groovy graphic!"... Plus, wouldn't it be better for devs themselves (less complicated engine, less bugs)?
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 21, 2015 04:59 PM |
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Edited by EnergyZ at 17:00, 21 Jun 2015.
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celiton said:
EnergyZ said:
Is there any "real" demand for "real" graphics? I mean it does not need to be on level like Witcher nor Skyrim. I mean, it is nice, but shouldn't be put to first priority, unlike game mechanics. But devs don't realize that.
Well you answered yourself You know, what is the point of creating new and new titles in the series, when there would be no (or small) progression in both graphics and mechanics?
So,
What is the first priority? Graphics or mechanics?
Well yes. But I also said they put graphics before mechanics. You know well how H6 was: nice graphics, awful gameplay. Like they couldn't repeat the H5 success: good gameplay, nice graphics. But no, they claim no money and still go on.
Not only that, but we have seen they improved graphics in H6, one would assume they would improve game mechanics this time.
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celiton
Hired Hero
Thinking before doing
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posted June 21, 2015 05:05 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
Well yes. But I also said they put graphics before mechanics. You know well how H6 was: nice graphics, awful gameplay. Like they couldn't repeat the H5 success: good gameplay, nice graphics. But no, they claim no money and still go on.
Of course, and this is the bad thing. Ubilimbic does not care about nice graphics + good gameplay. I have strong feeling they are working on the game because they have to... PR and markenting will fix the snowy game and "everyone" is happy. And it does not seem that this is going to change. This is how game industry works now.... but these things had been said million times...
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properkheldar
Famous Hero
Keeper of books
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posted June 21, 2015 05:06 PM |
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The deer unit had quite a hill to climb for many fans, as it holds the blame for robbing the lineup of the loved unicorn. To me the moon doe looks quite like I expected. A bluish/purple doe. Not overly exiting, but then again strip the unicorn from its history in the series (and the mythological aspect) and its just a white horse with a horn on its head. If the game warrants dlc or/and expansions i bet the unicorn will return anyhow, as an alternative elite for sylvan.
I also think the sun deer will make more of an impression then the moon doe. That is if it has great antlers which really stand out. It will also tie in well with the (presumed) headdress of the druid. The sun deer will also be golden.
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 21, 2015 05:11 PM |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ2eLMG38OA
Could this mean the game can end up having better visual quality?
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 21, 2015 05:14 PM |
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At the very least, we have a Sylvan that has a nice color palette and honestly, some nice and smooth animations. I saw that pixie had no ability which is a bit weird considering her general story in the series.
All in all, I find it strange that each unit doesn't have a distinct ability that will make it different than the rest. Because if we strip that down the it's down to just stats and visual (not that they ain't enough, it is the number one, but still, the abilities and passives do give the extra flavor)
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 21, 2015 05:22 PM |
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properkheldar said:
The deer unit had quite a hill to climb for many fans, as it holds the blame for robbing the lineup of the loved unicorn. To me the moon doe looks quite like I expected. A bluish/purple doe. Not overly exiting, but then again strip the unicorn from its history in the series (and the mythological aspect) and its just a white horse with a horn on its head. If the game warrants dlc or/and expansions i bet the unicorn will return anyhow, as an alternative elite for sylvan.
I also think the sun deer will make more of an impression then the moon doe. That is if it has great antlers which really stand out. It will also tie in well with the (presumed) headdress of the druid. The sun deer will also be golden.
Yeah, you are assuming too much to be perfect.
And no, few would buy a DLC just to have more content so the game is fixed. That's the effect of post-development - release more content (DLC, add-ons, patches) which you couldn't in vanilla game just to get more cash.
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 21, 2015 05:37 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
properkheldar said:
And no, few would buy a DLC just to have more content so the game is fixed. That's the effect of post-development - release more content (DLC, add-ons, patches) which you couldn't in vanilla game just to get more cash.
Depends on the DLC, the content it offers and the price.
If the DLC is $10 and offers 3-5 neutrals, a full campaign, some new sound effects, sound scores, 4-6 new artifacts and world map objects, personally I wouldn't mind buying it.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 21, 2015 05:40 PM |
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articun said:
EnergyZ said:
properkheldar said:
And no, few would buy a DLC just to have more content so the game is fixed. That's the effect of post-development - release more content (DLC, add-ons, patches) which you couldn't in vanilla game just to get more cash.
Depends on the DLC, the content it offers and the price.
If the DLC is $10 and offers 3-5 neutrals, a full campaign, some new sound effects, sound scores, 4-6 new artifacts and world map objects, personally I wouldn't mind buying it.
Well that is true. But the deal is people, not just myself, want a proper game first, then add some new content to expand gameplay. Leaving it underdeveloped (like leaving bugs in it) is not good.
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Malax83
Famous Hero
Game ranger, HotA Player
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posted June 21, 2015 05:43 PM |
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Duel map is ready 
Let s open the Beta ! and play for balance this !
An excuse ? i m bad faith 
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properkheldar
Famous Hero
Keeper of books
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posted June 21, 2015 05:51 PM |
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Who said anything about underdeveloped? Well yes, i you think the abscense of unicorns is part of that it will surley be underdeveloped. We all hope for a working, balanced and "bugfree" vanilla release. It will have bugs though, which they will patch. As all new games have.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted June 21, 2015 06:01 PM |
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they're going for that dervish vibe with the blade dancer
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