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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 21, 2015 06:04 PM |
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If we really want to be honest here, we must admit that the team behind heroes VII is working to make the game work. So far when and where they were able, they shared as much as they could. But they can't share everything nor can they freely change everything. They have tried to add stuff as the game went on but I guess they must have been under great pressure.
All in all, even with the beta they did try to fix stuff and provide something better.
I do have faith at the very least that they will try. And just like all of us, at least once in our lives, we didn't do so good on that test, or the experiment didn't turn out as we planned or we overlooked something, the same will happen with the game as well. But I do believe the team will try to work it out, fix it, patch it and make it work as soon as possible.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted June 21, 2015 06:04 PM |
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Blah... potential wasted for not giving them an urumi 
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted June 21, 2015 06:04 PM |
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Let's just avoid judging/hating/blaming anything until we've seen the actual reveal. Then we will know what is true, and what isn't  .
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 21, 2015 06:13 PM |
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Edited by EnergyZ at 18:16, 21 Jun 2015.
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properkheldar said:
Who said anything about underdeveloped? Well yes, i you think the abscense of unicorns is part of that it will surley be underdeveloped. We all hope for a working, balanced and "bugfree" vanilla release. It will have bugs though, which they will patch. As all new games have.
No, you say absence of unicorns is making the game underdeveloped. It is YOUR claim.
I CLAIM the game is underdeveloped because:
*it will have tons of bugs (where older games had so many bugs you could count them on fingers); just because all other games have bugs does not give them the right to leave the game bugged
*not much time nor effort has it been put in (just a year, where other games are developed for three or more years)
*devs don't listen to the community as often as they should (even if it was claimed community will have a big impact on development)
*for a bunch of devs that claim "they don't have a vision how Heroes games should look like" makes the game's quality questionable
Dies_Irae said:
Let's just avoid judging/hating/blaming anything until we've seen the actual reveal. Then we will know what is true, and what isn't .
Well, let's. But considering this is from E3, there is little to hope something is to be changed.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 21, 2015 06:27 PM |
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When has anything Ubi brings to E3 been remotely like the final product?
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted June 21, 2015 06:56 PM |
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OmegaDestroyer said:
There is no excuse.
QFT.
EnergyZ said:
*not much time nor effort has it been put in (just a year, where other games are developed for three or more years)
We are talking here about the yearly AC release company lol
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted June 21, 2015 06:58 PM |
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and the main menu crash from AC:Unity lol 
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raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted June 21, 2015 07:01 PM |
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Edited by raenus at 19:09, 21 Jun 2015.
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GenyaArikado said:
Can someone explain me why are elves overdone but humans arent? Because, if we take the previous games as background, units like druid, assassin and pirate would have been there nonetheless, just that they would be humans instead elves.
Granted, if they made the lineup have 4 or more elves (like H5) i get why some people would dislike (although i dint dislike the H5 factions at all, feel like the only faction that should be racially themed to that level is Haven) but otherwise its funny calling the elves overdone when humans already compose the majority of 3 playable factions ,1 unplayable one (Free Cities) and are present as Heroes of at least two of the others (Sanctuary and Stronghold)
This may be a bit offtopic now, but here are my two cents.
I think the main problem here stems from the overly race based HoMM5 lineups. They shoved the race in your face in that game and I think it has made everyone a little wary on the race issue.
Humans are in almost every fantasy game for a reason, they give us a standard. Something we can easily relate to. Also saying that the game has 3 human factions is not really true, or at least I would argue against that.
Academy is a faction of wizards, not necessarily humans. As far as I can tell they allow anyone with magical talent in whether they be elf, djinn, or any other race with an academic bent. Also they do not shove their race in your face, having only one human unit on the field who could just as easily be any other race human just being the model they chose as it represents the majority.
Necropolis is an offshoot of Academy and in my mind many of the same arguments apply. Plus the units are frome every race, even if skeletons, banshees, and vampires are represented by humans they are raised from the corpses of every race.
Both of the above factions might have more diversity if the elves in this game were not SO STEREOTYPICAL. They ripped both of these factions looks and ideals almost straight from the Wood and Dark elves of GW.
I am probably wrong but I can not recall having heard about or seen a traitor from Sylvan. Heaven forbid you see an elf decide to join another faction. They have the ability to become either mages or necromancers and yet you never see them elsewhere. And we KNOW that they can become vampires at the very least from Luna in MMH6.
As for having humans as leaders of the other factions many people (myself included) object heavily to that aspect of MMH6. It removed some of the identity from each faction when you only had human heroes.
As for the sea elves, you have to admit that calling a unit a Sea Elf is really dumb. I do not think this would have been a problem if they just called it a pirate and gave it an elf model, but introducing a whole new faction of elves to justify a neutral and a hero from MMH6 is kind of pathetic.
So they now have 3 Factions of elves and (by my reckoning) 1 possibly 2 human factions (I don't consider the free states to be a seperate faction although I can't argue against anyone who does).
These are just my personal views, feel free to criticize or argue with anything I have said as I surely have missed something.
Please forgive any typos and sorry for straying offtopic.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 21, 2015 07:09 PM |
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raenus said:
I am probably wrong but I can not recall having heard about or seen a traitor from Sylvan.
Well Tieru from the TotE scenario was claimed as a traitor, as Ergal, the demon that disguised himself as an elf, has lied to others Tieru became mad for seeing a demon in Irollan.
Special case, I know, but just for your information.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted June 21, 2015 07:12 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
When has anything Ubi brings to E3 been remotely like the final product?
they brought the final product of Heroes 6 to E3 in 2011, lol
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted June 21, 2015 07:30 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 19:32, 21 Jun 2015.
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Even Witcher 3: Wild Hunt had to be patched after release and it did not stop players from loving it and game from being a masterpiece.
And i have the same approach towards H7. I know it won't be a masterpiece instead H7 gona be a good game which with time will get better.
Even "Holy H3" was not perfect at release but still needed a long time(2 expansions and countless mods)to get to where he is now.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted June 21, 2015 07:32 PM |
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You seem to confuse "extra content" with "working"
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted June 21, 2015 07:40 PM |
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*watches Sylvan leak*
Well... it's... colourful, at least. 
I know we're only seeking a snippet of what Sylvan has to offer here, but this is the first faction where first impressions lean more towards negative.
Let's start off with the hero: I like that it's riding a unicorn, but what the snow is up with that cloak?
Blade Dancer looks okay-ish - animations are nice, but not overly fond of the stance. Also, I kinda wished it was a "big" unit that could react to more units, but whatever.
Pixie worries me, and not for the reason you think. It strikes me as a bit too... well, have you noticed that the Ghost and Djinn attack animations are EXACTLY the same? The physical structure of the Pixie has me concerned that we might get the same recycled animation - another "floaty woman who hurts you with a nudge of her hand"...
Green Dragon... eh. Eeeeeeeh. Y'know, it reminds me of SOMETHING, but whatever it is, it ain't a green dragon. Feels more cat-like to me. The Nexu from "Attack of the Clones", maybe? Eeeeeh. I don't HATE it, per se, but I'm not fond of it.
Truth be told, the one unit I have zero qualms with is the Moon Doe.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 21, 2015 07:45 PM |
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verriker said:
they brought the final product of Heroes 6 to E3 in 2011, lol
wrong. The E3 version was playable.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 21, 2015 07:46 PM |
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Wellplay said:
Even Witcher 3: Wild Hunt had to be patched after release and it did not stop players from loving it and game from being a masterpiece.
And i have the same approach towards H7. I know it won't be a masterpiece instead H7 gona be a good game which with time will get better.
Even "Holy H3" was not perfect at release but still needed a long time(2 expansions and countless mods)to get to where he is now.
Maybe so, but still not an excuse for any gaming company to leave the game bugged. Well, at least with major bugs that ruin save games or gameplay.
"Holy H3" had so many bugs you could count them on your fingers. And about add-ons and mods, do I even need them to play that game? No, for the vanilla is quite good on its own, probably like H2 or H4. I don't even need mods to play that game, but it helps, sometimes.
And I must ask you this: why did Ubi release the H3 HD game without add-ons? They must have some common sense to realize that the vanilla is also playable and diverse enough; add-ons and mods just help to improve gameplay, not to fix what was broken already.
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 21, 2015 07:47 PM |
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Why is the reaction more towards negative? So far the only thing I've seen is the fact that we don't really know what to think about the lineup. It has most of us baffled.
It ain't bad by any means, but not entirely what we expected as well.
We still got to see the Dryad and how it looks, the Hunter I expect to be a variation of the Blade Dancer, and the Druid.
In the animations department though, from what I've seen thus far, Sylvan is the best.
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted June 21, 2015 07:49 PM |
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Kimarous said:
Green Dragon... eh. Eeeeeeeh. Y'know, it reminds me of SOMETHING, but whatever it is, it ain't a green dragon. Feels more cat-like to me. The Nexu from "Attack of the Clones", maybe? Eeeeeh. I don't HATE it, per se, but I'm not fond of it.
Maybe you have this feeling because it might be reaused model of kirin, just with leaves, for now just like you don't hate it but not sure i like it either, maybe the upgrade will be better
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 21, 2015 07:50 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
Wellplay said:
Even Witcher 3: Wild Hunt had to be patched after release and it did not stop players from loving it and game from being a masterpiece.
And i have the same approach towards H7. I know it won't be a masterpiece instead H7 gona be a good game which with time will get better.
Even "Holy H3" was not perfect at release but still needed a long time(2 expansions and countless mods)to get to where he is now.
Maybe so, but still not an excuse for any gaming company to leave the game bugged. Well, at least with major bugs that ruin save games or gameplay.
"Holy H3" had so many bugs you could count them on your fingers. And about add-ons and mods, do I even need them to play that game? No, for the vanilla is quite good on its own, probably like H2 or H4. I don't even need mods to play that game, but it helps, sometimes.
And I must ask you this: why did Ubi release the H3 HD game without add-ons? They must have some common sense to realize that the vanilla is also playable and diverse enough; add-ons and mods just help to improve gameplay, not to fix what was broken already.
About that...
Heroes III HD got released in vanilla because they couldn't find the expansion source codes to make it into HD, or so they said...
Heroes IV was buggy and unbalanced, no one can deny that... One reason it didn't sell well, it was actually the Heroes VI of its time...
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted June 21, 2015 07:58 PM |
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Hex
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 21, 2015 08:08 PM |
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If you look carefully you will see it's not Kirin's model but Black Dragon's model - especially its silhouette and head.
As for Pixie I agree it resembles Ghost a bit - same posture.
Blade Dancer ...ekhm ... I was never big fan of this unit and now it looks much worse than I've expected.
Moon Doe - of course it's sweet Bambi, I didn't expect anything different. Sun Deer might be bigger and better build.
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