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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 08:52 AM |
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Avirosb said:
What makes Sea Elves a race again?
Being good with boats?
As elves generally worship the goddess of earth, Sylanna, they are special because they are crazy enough to sail the sea.
(btw, does anyone recall we also got seamen in HotA?)
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icefield
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 08:56 AM |
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Sylvan video: Most unit graphics way overdone, as always, but aside:
- Doe: I see this as a good move. The original H1/2 forest faction was designed as a collection of nice, friendly, beautiful girl dream cliche beasts and spirits that just happen to behave like fierce monsters in battle. Butterflies, druids, unicorn, phoenix. It's a joke, like everything in early MaM games. Decades later, I'm getting tired of all those dark-fantasy, spiked design. (Yes, I'm nostalgic.) Old-school sylvan units look like innocent pets.
- That said, I also like the dragon. A sylvan dragon should not look like the generic winged lizard (as it did in H3, where it replaced the Phoenix). This dragon is again graphically over-the-top, but it's an improvement nevertheless. Way better than the walking SomethingZilla from H5 Fortress.
- Pixies should be ok - I'd also prefer a more innocent look, but the red hair is just right.
- Bladedancers with leaf skirts - well ...
And they really, really should adjust the default camera zoom.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 22, 2015 09:21 AM |
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Galaad said:
Haregar said:
does it have "that-old-Heroes" feel?
No.
Disagree on that one. Still falls short on a number of things though.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted June 22, 2015 09:25 AM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 09:26, 22 Jun 2015.
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Elvin said:
Galaad said:
Haregar said:
does it have "that-old-Heroes" feel?
No.
Disagree on that one. Still falls short on a number of things though.
Phew. That's good to hear. 
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 22, 2015 09:35 AM |
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For me it had a heroes V feel with the interface of Heroes IV and the battles of Heroes VI. There was nothing to remind me of Heroes III, but maybe that's because it is quite different and closer to Heroes V.
Though i would really appreciate it if it was a bit faster as a game overall. Faster animations, faster and more movement. Easier leveling of heroes or leveling be scaled to map or difficulty and such.
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Raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted June 22, 2015 09:58 AM |
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Avirosb said:
What makes Sea Elves a race again?
Being good with boats?
Please never assume that I know what I am talking about  . However as I remember they referred to them as if the Sea Elves were a fairly widespread thing. They could not be classified as a subtype or splinter faction of either Sylvan or Dungeon so what else would you call them. Not Faction as in playable "Faction" just a distinct, well established group. But hey that was just my interpretation and is probably heavily misinformed.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 22, 2015 10:04 AM |
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Elvin said:
Disagree on that one.
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 22, 2015 10:55 AM |
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I don't think that sea Elf can be considered a separate race.
In heroes VI DLC of Crag Hack, there is a pirate council that is comprised by Sea elves, Sea Dwarves, Sea Men and Sea Orcs. Does that make each of them a separate sub faction in itself? Not really... Neither can i see a faction of pirates made in the near future. It's much like the Free Cities i think.
It is also something like the wizards. Many Wizards might be Human, but that doesn't mean that other races that want to learn about magic or have the same goals as the Mages do not go there to study and learn. As such, i think that a pirate union is the people of each faction that are "touched" by Shalassa and have great fascination by the sea.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 22, 2015 10:58 AM |
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articun said:
Sea elves, Sea Dwarves, Sea Men and Sea Orcs.
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wut?
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 22, 2015 11:00 AM |
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kiryu133 said:
articun said:
Sea elves, Sea Dwarves, Sea Men and Sea Orcs.
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wut?
Well, not per se called that, but in the beggining, when Crag Hack talks to the pirate council, there is a Man, a dwarf, an orc, a naga and an elf... What would you call them pirating Dwarfs, orc and the like? If a pirate elf is a sea elf...
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 11:16 AM |
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So, my opinion on that short Sylvan video:
Graphics are still average and the scale in way too small.
Now the overall army did have a distinct Sylvan "magical" look and feel. I quite like it so far and feel more positive now(I voted for the Strength as to me it did represent The elves better).
But now to the separate creatures:
1. Green dragon - 10/10.
Great design, looks really ancient and powerful, and suits the Nature faction a lot! I quite dislike the concept of same dragons painted in different colours so I fully support this dragon design. Even in Mythology dragons quite rarely have wings.
2. Moon doe. 8/10.
It shows a promise of the Sun Deer being actually great. I like it's blue hue and innocence to it(well maybe too much of the innocence). I would make it slightly bigger though.
3. Pixie. 6/10.
Although design wise it's quite alright however just like someone else mentioned it is a recoloured ghost. And now every time I look at it I just the the ghost.
4. Blade dancer. 5/10.
Honestly i was against the idea of blade dancer in Sylvan as they just feel forced and overused. However th art shown and the arts in MMX looked very nice indeed.
But this Blade dancer, although nicely animated and rendered - looks like a core creature to me. It just does not convey power. At all.
P.s.
Does anyone know how to launch the beta now that it ended?? I will be really grateful to anyone who can advise me on that. I hate the idea of having to download pirate version...
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 22, 2015 11:21 AM |
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Hermes said:
P.s.
Does anyone know how to launch the beta now that it ended?? I will be really grateful to anyone who can advise me on that. I hate the idea of having to download pirate version...
Well that's what you get for having a beta working for two weeks.
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 22, 2015 11:22 AM |
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Edited by articun at 11:23, 22 Jun 2015.
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Guys, i have to ask... Isn't the doe skin the Glory skin palette from heroes VI?
So we can expect the Stag to have the skin of the Radiant Glory?
Also the pixie feels like a mix of Ghost and mermaid, although and i may be wrong, it feels like it is more of a plant now rather than a true fairy
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 22, 2015 11:24 AM |
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Am I the only one who sees the Green Dragon as a the overused Black dragon/Daughter of melassa model, just whitout wings!?!
Please tell me that is not the case :-(.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 11:29 AM |
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I saw the video and I couldn't see a thing!! Too small. But I like that the faction did not get limited to green colorcoding.
As for the above comments we should address someone there ,why they are re-using so much stuff!!! How cheap is that???
We all know the answer but it would be fun how they justify it...
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted June 22, 2015 11:32 AM |
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Edited by Pawek_13 at 11:33, 22 Jun 2015.
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Dave_Jame said:
[...] melassa [...]
"Melasa" is Polish name for molasses and that is:
Aunt Wikipedia said:
Molasses (American vernacular), or black treacle (British, for human consumption; known as molasses otherwise), is a viscous by-product of the refining of sugarcane or sugar beets into sugar. [...] Molasses varies by amount of sugar and method of extraction, and age of plant.
Speaking of actual model, there are two possibilities:
1. This is enhanced model of Kirin.
2. This is wingless Dragon from Heroes VI.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 22, 2015 11:34 AM |
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i really can't be mad at them reusing models when H3 re-used the same torso for every single bare-chested creature.
I mean, they did remove the wings and must have created some new animations so it's not terrible.
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted June 22, 2015 11:38 AM |
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kiryu133 said:
i really can't be mad at them reusing models when H3 re-used the same torso for every single bare-chested creature.
I mean, they did remove the wings and must have created some new animations so it's not terrible.
I agree. It is not the best option but since the units have unique animations and look and feel different, why not?
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 11:44 AM |
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articun said:
kiryu133 said:
i really can't be mad at them reusing models when H3 re-used the same torso for every single bare-chested creature.
I mean, they did remove the wings and must have created some new animations so it's not terrible.
I agree. It is not the best option but since the units have unique animations and look and feel different, why not?
It's actually the idea of cheapness that's annoying. The units do look good and fab. And distinct.
But when you expected something completely new from them,
BANG! re using even textures!! Asha (re)uses all!!
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 22, 2015 11:51 AM |
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kiryu133 said:
i really can't be mad at them reusing models when H3 re-used the same torso for every single bare-chested creature.
I mean, they did remove the wings and must have created some new animations so it's not terrible.
Well, I know this is only relating to Sylvan, but look. They don't reuse *just* creature models.
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