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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted June 22, 2015 11:52 AM |
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kiryu133 said:
I mean, they did remove the wings and must have created some new animations so it's not terrible.
No.This is not acceptable. You can reuse a model once, twice maybe. but not 5+ times.. If my susspision would be proven corect, I would Rage. I would rage more then any necro fan did a half a year ago.
This is not just taking used car and a selling it as a new one. This is taking a car and selling it as a motorcycle, boat, truck plane, and a freaking zeppelin at the same time whitou changing anything more then the paint!!
Count with me
H6 - Blood path finall boss
H6 DM - Dragon wrait boss
H6 SoD - Spectral Dragon
H6 SoD - Shadow Dragon
H6 SoD - Black Dragon
H7 - Bone Dragon
H7 - Spectral Dragon
Potential untl prooven wrong
H7 - Green Dragon - wingless
H7 - Emerald Dragon - Wingless
H7 - Shadow Dragon
H7 - Black Dragon
H7 - Gold Dragon
And The colored ones are nothing more then direct copies or scaled down copies of each other. Not even the freaking recolor!!!
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Do you see it, do you see the freaking number of re-uses. Fudg WoW/WH kopies and direct ports THIS IS A PROBLEM UBI,....
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 22, 2015 11:55 AM |
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Dave_Jame said:
kiryu133 said:
I mean, they did remove the wings and must have created some new animations so it's not terrible.
No.This is not acceptable. You can reuse a model once, twice maybe. but not 5+ times.. If my susspision would be proven corect, I would Rage. I would rage more then any necro fan did a half a year ago.
This is not just taking used car and a selling it as a new one. This is taking a car and selling it as a motorcycle, boat, truck plane, and a freaking zeppelin at the same time whitou changing anything more then the paint!!
Count with me
H6 - Blood path finall boss
H6 DM - Dragon wrait boss
H6 SoD - Spectral Dragon
H6 SoD - Shadow Dragon
H6 SoD - Black Dragon
H7 - Bone Dragon
H7 - Spectral Dragon
Potential untl prooven wrong
H7 - Green Dragon - wingless
H7 - Emerald Dragon - Wingless
H7 - Shadow Dragon
H7 - Black Dragon
H7 - Gold Dragon
And The colored ones are nothing more then direct copies or scaled down copies of each other. Not even the freaking recolor!!!
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Do you see it, do you see the freaking number of re-uses. Fudg WoW/WH kopies and direct ports THIS IS A PROBLEM UBI,....
Where was your "rage" when you got Haven creatures? A lot of them have reused animations. Or Necro creatures (since lamasu and ghost still remain)?
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted June 22, 2015 11:57 AM |
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Fascinating that talk about reused stuff from H6 emerges again. If I recall that was discussed long ago (even before necro reveal), and as I can see, Ubi changed nothing.
/offtopic
I like: Asha (re)uses all!  
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"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 11:59 AM |
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EnergyZ said:
Where was your "rage" when you got Haven creatures? A lot of them have reused animations. Or Necro creatures (since lamasu and ghost still remain)?
It's one thing to re use smth once and another to re use it 5 times.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 12:01 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Am I the only one who sees the Green Dragon as a the overused Black dragon/Daughter of melassa model, just whitout wings!?!
Please tell me that is not the case :-(.
I actually see it as Kirin model with Black Dragon's head and added leafs over his body.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 12:02 PM |
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Frankendragon
At least it looks good and leafy
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 22, 2015 12:04 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
EnergyZ said:
Where was your "rage" when you got Haven creatures? A lot of them have reused animations. Or Necro creatures (since lamasu and ghost still remain)?
It's one thing to re use smth once and another to re use it 5 times.
You forget we also have MMX. Perhaps it is not a Heroes game, but it is a Might & Magic game, therefore should count.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 12:07 PM |
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So... there's been a Sylvan leak?
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted June 22, 2015 12:07 PM |
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Edited by kiryu133 at 12:08, 22 Jun 2015.
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Eh, they made it look noticeably different (does it have the same head? didn't see. snow it if it has) and they've clearly done some work on it. A new model would be nice but cutting cost by modifying an existing one is good enough as long as it looks different and this one does so whatever.
snow the bone dragon though.
Sligneris said:
So... there's been a Sylvan leak?
kinda?
They were shown at E3 or something without anything at the Official site.
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It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the cis are at it again.
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 12:08 PM |
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Sometimes I feel that since Blackhole and Puppetworks left, we won't ever see any truly new creatures..
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 12:25 PM |
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Edited by TD at 12:30, 22 Jun 2015.
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The green dragon looks like it's Kirin-model re-textured. Only change they really did was put tail from right side to left and lenghten it. Just imagine if it even floated like Kirin
Seriously though it doesn't really remind me of any kind of dragon(original concept was ways better, but that has been more of a rule than exception for this game). IMO it's closer to dinosaur as some people have pointed out. Not good, but not really bad model either, just not dragon.
The deer looks ridiculous. Back in line-up votes there was a 3d-model of deer floating around for which people laughed... This is way worse
Pixie is yet another recycle, clearly using the ghost model. It looks nothing like the picture during votes or the depiction given. It feels so forced to change the textures to me that I just can't say it being well done(Could've at the very least changed the animation!).
Blade dancer... It looks like some ceremonial dancer who never sees actual battle. The skirt(or half cape as some people insisted on calling it) makes no sense for unit like this that relies on speed, it would only slow you down. Not that I was expecting much knowing devs compulsion to add extra stuff to units they don't need or shouldn't have.
Overall one of the worst factions so far. Haven, academy and stronghold all look way better. Meh even necro looks better than what we've seen from sylvan
Edit:
Dave I'm pretty sure they will not re-use Kirin or Black dragon models for Golden dragon. They will just copy/paste elrath from Heroes Online and make it smaller .
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted June 22, 2015 12:44 PM |
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Well, I think that Sylvan units look gorgeous, even if the dragon and pixie are reused models. Haven is reused as well but it looks good, that is why I wouldn't make a big fuss over all (Though that does not mean that I justify their actions and that I approve of them, new models are always good, if properly made). I like the fact that Pixie is similar to the Sprite of H2 and H4. Moon Doe is just as I pictured it shiny and strong! (look in the table below). Blade dancer is a little bit off in appearance, I guess, but I'll get used to that. All in all, the lineup reminds me of the atmosphere of H2 Sorceress town.
I'm not sure if it has been said somewhere (officially or non-officially), but it appears that they just kept the names of Core, Elite and Champion creature levels, because their stats are much closer to 7 creature lineup of previous games:
Name | Level | Health | Damage | Might | Defence | Range | Movement | Moral | Luck | Initiative? |
Dragon | Champ.| 210 | 43-51 | 27 | 24 | - | 4 | 23 | 7 | 18 |
M. Doe | Elite | 105 | 20-26 | 19 | 15 | - | 7 | 18 | 12 | 37 |
Dancer | Elite | 35 | 10-14 | 11 | 9 | - | 6 | 18 | 7 | 29 |
Pixie | Core | 11 | 2-2 | 5 | 6 | - | 6 | 18 | 12 | 35 |
If these stats remain when the game gets released, I would feel sorry for all those who voted for this lineup, because the blade dancer is too squishy for elite level unit!!!
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 12:46 PM |
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Where can I see the leak graphics?
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Adilmaru
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 12:48 PM |
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I am long time lurker on these forums, and I posted maybe 3-4 times here before. Today I logged in, just to say, this is the worst "fan" community that I have ever seen. Constantly bashing and whining about some nonsense, talking about some stupid things, like those Sea Elfs etc. I just want to say, if you don't like the game, then don't buy it, no one is forcing you to do so. Simple as that. But please, stop whining. Reused models and animations? So what? If that model looks nice, I don't see any problem in that. Heroes 6 gave us completely new models and animations, and it was snow of a game. These guys are clearly trying as much as they can, to give us nice and enjoyable game! Respect that at least.
You have few hive minds here, while others just repet their words...
Please, wait until game is finished, then express yourself. We all have our opinions, but it is stupid to speak about something that we haven't tryed or tryed it in really bugged state.
I wrote this from my phone, so forgive me for many mistakes.
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted June 22, 2015 12:48 PM |
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@Sligneris
Here.
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"The age can be wicked to those who walk alone. When I look into the Mirror, I see myself as I might become..." -Freya
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 01:01 PM |
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Oh, I expected more green, but it looks pretty good for me! That green dragon is awesome.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 01:02 PM |
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can you guys state the differences between a "treant" and a "green dragon?"
i think one is humanoid, and other is non-humanoid. isnt this dissapointing?
becoming a tree, is the only way to become nature itself? seems like a cheap solution to me, to make a dragon grow leafs and branches.
i meani, at least this painting shows some other things too, like crystals and stones... why didnnt they do something like this? and adding other kind of colorful vegetations could make it evven more.. like flowers of blue, yellow, red...
or maybe even something like this? anatomically different yet still a green, wingless dragon?
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Malax83
Famous Hero
Game ranger, HotA Player
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posted June 22, 2015 01:02 PM |
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Edited by Malax83 at 13:03, 22 Jun 2015.
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I quote Alcibiades from heroes 7 official site :
Quote:
alcibiades.dk Le Mysterieux
May 05, 2015 22:38:41
While the abilities here look pretty good, the Skills themselves seem extremely boring. The fact that Diplomacy is now (again) a skill in itself and not an ability within Leadership seems like a step back compared to H5 for me. This is an example of a skill that's going to be all but impossible to balance - if you make bonus from Diplomacy too big it'll be a snowball, if you make them small for balance, it'll be a waste to put that many skill points into getting to a level where you'll benefit.
21 votes agree, i quote him to make you react, can we # ?
how can we get majority against this skill ? Can Ubi consider a vote ?
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted June 22, 2015 01:06 PM |
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@Sleeping_Sun
I don't really agree with dancer needing boost. It's the same stats guardian has(their idea of balancing is making units all the same between factions IMO). Djinn has more hp but no dmg ability like sweep or double-atk to make them about the same. Also in general the units are just like with other factions in terms of stats. There is slight deviation like adding couple atk and removing couple def, but there isn't much of difference between "counterpart"-units overall. You can find very close equivalent for all creatures in terms of stats from other factions.
Unit stats
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted June 22, 2015 01:08 PM |
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"Constantly bashing and whining about some nonsense, talking about some stupid things, like those Sea Elfs etc. I just want to say, if you don't like the game, then don't buy it, no one is forcing you to do so. Simple as that."
Oh, you misunderstand much. We would like to believe, but knowing H6's failure, we want to point out quite much how many flaws and mistakes we see already. We want a better game to play, had almost nothing since H5.
"Reused models and animations? So what? If that model looks nice, I don't see any problem in that. Heroes 6 gave us completely new models and animations, and it was snow of a game."
As said before, it is not just models and animations, but spells and effects and so much more. Too many things are overused.
"These guys are clearly trying as much as they can, to give us nice and enjoyable game! Respect that at least."
Pfff, haha, don't make me laugh. We ask for better specializations and what they give us? More boring ones. So no, that is certainly a false fact. Remember, this is not a common franchise, but a 20 (30 if you count first five MM games)-year old one!
"Please, wait until game is finished, then express yourself. We all have our opinions, but it is stupid to speak about something that we haven't tryed or tryed it in really bugged state. "
So we shouldn't point out what is wrong and what is right until we play? Well, that would go for some things, but in general I'd rather voice my opinion than wait. Hence why we got lich and vampire redesign.
All in all, you have to be aware of details, not just some things overall, to dictate what you feel the true state of the game really is.
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