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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted April 27, 2015 11:56 AM |
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dark-whisperer said:
If you put five or more fans (from this or any other fan forum) together in a room and tell them to come up with common idea for any part of heroes you will find a room full of bloody bodyparts.
Each person here thinks he knows whats best for heroes and that his idea is the best in all the universes in existence. Ever.
They've tried that at Blizzard a few times. These are the results:
Result 1
Result 2
Result 3
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 27, 2015 01:03 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 13:04, 27 Apr 2015.
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dark-whisperer said:
Stevie said:
Well, I sincerely believe that brainstorming sessions between dedicated fans would prove a lot more constructive than whatever conferences they have at Ubisoft.
Well, I don't. As I said, (and I'm proved right every time I take a glance at blog or any fan forum) you can't find five people that would be completely satisfied with any idea.
Fact 1 - by ELB's own admission, they, the M&M team, do not have a vision about how Heroes should be. They're clueless.
Fact 2 - there is already a VIP group of dedicated long time fans which help them by promoting a sense of direction. And it's not only 5, it's about 30 of them, ones with which I had the chance to meet in person and talk with. That in itself disproves your case.
Fact 3 - there are many other projects acclaimed by a majority of people, ranging from unofficial expansions like HotA for Heroes 3, to just the simple tweak of a Heroes 7 townscreen that puts the original one to shame, which you can find here on this thread.
So no, I am positive that the fanbase would do a much better job with Heroes, and in the case of Heroes 7, especially compared to Heroes 6, it already has.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted April 27, 2015 01:16 PM |
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And proof of fact 1 is that questionable article? As Verriker would say, lol.
For fact 2 it doesn't matter how many VIP fans are there. What matters is do they agree on every aspect of the game in question and do they even have any impact on the game. I would say 'nope' in both cases.
As for fact 3 those simple tweaks are awful in most cases. Just bunch of people patting each other on the back. For unofficial expansion I really have problem with statement that majority of the people consider it better then official ones, because I think its simply not true.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 27, 2015 01:16 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
As I said, (and I'm proved right every time I take a glance at blog or any fan forum) you can't find five people that would be completely satisfied with any idea.
Right....
Can we get back on topic?
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Aionb
Known Hero
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posted April 27, 2015 01:36 PM |
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Galaad said:
dark-whisperer said:
As I said, (and I'm proved right every time I take a glance at blog or any fan forum) you can't find five people that would be completely satisfied with any idea.
Right....
Can we get back on topic?
Just a moment please 
Let's have a look at the Bullshan era as well:
1. The HOMM5 Role Playing Edition: http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=32305
2. Quantomas' AI: http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=34594
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted April 27, 2015 01:59 PM |
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Bring back static 3d townscreens please, thanks.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted April 27, 2015 03:08 PM |
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alcibiades said:
Just did some random browsing ... please hire this guy to make town screens, lol?
Wow, that looks amazing! The wonders of photoshop and a creative mind to put those wonders to work. The way he looks at the composition is lightyears ahead of whoever designed the Heroes 7 military outposts.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted April 27, 2015 03:25 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 15:28, 27 Apr 2015.
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If that was in the game, it would still retain many of the H7 screens' problems with the addition of being low on color to boot.
EDIT: That particular example at least. I'm sure the guy knows his stuff.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted April 27, 2015 07:27 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Result 1
The troll with "more dragons" is clearly Erwan 
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted April 28, 2015 08:46 AM |
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Avirosb said:
If that was in the game, it would still retain many of the H7 screens' problems with the addition of being low on color to boot.
EDIT: That particular example at least. I'm sure the guy knows his stuff.
Well, of course it looks rather bland, but it's made from reallife photo's, intended to make it look like it actually exists in reality. Heroes townscreens are usually more vibrant and have a more fantasy feel about them. But at least the buildings are integrated rather than each on their own patch of land.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted April 28, 2015 09:09 AM |
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dark-whisperer said:
And proof of fact 1 is that questionable article? As Verriker would say, lol.
what is questionable about it? he quotes Erwin directly, "We don’t have a vision for how Heroes should be," so are Erwin quotes only considered reliable when they make Ubi look good, or what? lol
there is always the remote possibility that Erwin said "I can't see, I have no vision" as a joke after drinking too much tequila at the bar and got misquoted, I would use Occam's razor though lol
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted April 28, 2015 09:19 AM |
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verriker said:
there is always the remote possibility that Erwin said "I can't see, I have no vision" as a joke after drinking too much tequila at the bar and got misquoted, I would use Occam's razor though lol
that would explain about 80% of what he says though.
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PandaTar
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Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted April 28, 2015 06:50 PM |
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Edited by PandaTar at 22:36, 28 Apr 2015.
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cori14
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 28, 2015 06:59 PM |
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Edited by cori14 at 19:01, 28 Apr 2015.
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This for Academy TS! It looks like a city of knowledge and prosperity. Beautiful.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 28, 2015 08:07 PM |
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 28, 2015 08:10 PM |
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Hex
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 28, 2015 08:47 PM |
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And we have huge empty space for UI there. 
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cori14
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 28, 2015 09:01 PM |
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Stevie said:
I on the other hand think it's taking things a bit too far.
Of course it looks over the top, but I would still choose this instead of the current one.
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted April 28, 2015 09:11 PM |
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Edited by PandaTar at 22:40, 28 Apr 2015.
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Yeah, I posted that image mainly to focus on the 'feeling' of a town. Final Fantasy XV is often full of grandeur to simply put on a Heroes environment all of a sudden (and stain it with spider goo).
Anyway, the whole picture I would enjoy seeing in Heroes is somehow like that, you see the whole town/kingdom, then there are some dwellings a bit far (from those units which might not fit properly in the middle of crowded streets, or maybe too wild to be walking about or being hired in a cottage), scenery, possibility of hiring units in their natural environment, town, citizens, support buildings, defensive buildings (which shouldn't be a mandatory: wall, moat, tower) etc.
Oh, well, but accordingly to them, making a complex game system is bad. I'm surprised that we have more than 1 unit per line up already.
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Another image I find interesting:
Dark ambiance.
Flying city.
City on a cliff.
Another great city.
Dark wood ambiance.
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icefield
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 28, 2015 09:42 PM |
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cori14 said:
Stevie said:
I on the other hand think it's taking things a bit too far.
Of course it looks over the top, but I would still choose this instead of the current one.
Yes. You can even identify major buildings.
H5 town designs were also way over the top, and completely useless as a gameplay interface.
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