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Nocturnal
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posted November 09, 2014 04:31 PM |
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I like the Medusa. Only if the Pearl Priestess didn't look like a Medusa in H6 (even with the snake hair), I would want them more. But now, I've already seen them in the Naga faction. Suddenly the same creature with different abilities will be in Dungeon again after H3. I don't like these switches. Harpies were in the Dungeon too, then went to Stronghold.
I think I am alone in this forum in this aspect: I love Dark Elves. H5 Dungeon was my favourite. Dark Eldar in Warhammer: Dawn Of War were also my favourite. I just love the concept of Dark Elves. I also love S&M themes. I had no problem with H5 Dungeon whatsoever. I could trade any beast with a treacherous dark elf any day. I would love it even, if an all-dark elf Dungeon was introduced.
That's why I would prefer Matriarchs. Adding Eruina's specialty (Coven Mistress) as a passive to them would even make them more interesting (of course with lesser damage than normal attack)
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted November 09, 2014 04:32 PM |
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blizzardboy said:
xerox said:
My main concern on Medusa is that they don't seem to have Petrifictiation. Petrification is like the whole point of Medúas. It's what they do. And it'd work perfectly in H7 too. Have an ability where the Meduda can petrify anyone facing her, from afar. Hiding behind an obstacle or such would be a way to counter this.
Medusa's are listed as a saboteur. I'm assuming they have a petrification ability.
The Coral Priestesses had the same thing with their slow attack, which was similarly a less powerful version of what the tier 4 medusa's could do in H3. You couldn't really give a core creature the same petrification ability, but the H7 medusa's are going to be an elite.
You see, I hope for petrification too, except i really think they are going for something else.
Official Description of Medusa said:
Medusa/Medusa Sorceress: walker with ranged attack and mesmerizing ability. Saboteur.
It says "mesmerizing", so I feel it would be more like the Coral Priestess (though increased in power, due to Elite and not Core, as you say) than classic Medusa. However, I see no reason to fear really, as "mesmerize" may produce the same results as classic "petrify", as in enemy can't move or attack, and are vulnerable to attack. They just won't actually turn them to stone.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted November 09, 2014 04:35 PM |
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I don't get what's so special about the matriarch. As a role maybe, but as design/concept I really can't understand, it's just a dark elf ¿-er, nothing interesting.
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted November 09, 2014 04:40 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
I don't get what's so special about the matriarch. As a role maybe, but as design/concept I really can't understand, it's just a dark elf ¿-er, nothing interesting.
Same here. She was just a spell casting unit, but a lot of units are spell casters. I think it had to do with her being in Tier 6, so besides Pit Lords, she was the top spell caster, and unlike Pit Lords, she could also shoot. So she seemed pretty cool. But, yeah, conceptually, she's rather dull.
I like Medusas more, and although I think it'd be silly, even a Medusa Matriarch is better than a generic Dark Elf Matriarch. Though I hate the name Matriarch overall, which is why I suppose the upgrade for the Medusas in Faces is called "Medusa Sorceress", as that doesn't denote "leader over others" while being led around by another person, and instead just means "you see this *insert creature original name*? Now it can shoot spells around. It's a sorceress. Deal with it."
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted November 09, 2014 05:02 PM |
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It was a Dark Sorceress archetype unit, something I have always liked. And we haven't had one except for Evil Sorceress in H4, which was great too.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted November 09, 2014 06:33 PM |
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Well an actual ancient Sorceress could fit pretty well in Dungeon, but the Shadow Matriarch design always repulsed me.
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted November 09, 2014 06:47 PM |
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Voted for the Medusa.
The Medusa is not a Naga. And, moreover, is a humid ground bound serpentile creature with a humanoid's upper body and head.
It prefers swamps and caves. Fits perfectly in the dungeon's underworld environment with very little light to undermine their eyesight.
The Shadow Matriarch is more of a reserved, sorceress type of female dark elf that is better suited to be your next hired Hero. Female Dark Elves are not as plentiful as the Sylvan Elves are. Rare = Not as expandable as any other dungeon creature.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted November 09, 2014 07:05 PM |
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LucPatenaude said:
The Medusa is not a Naga.
Except they are Naga.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted November 09, 2014 10:14 PM |
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I always took the matriarch big hair as a symbol of her being a sucessor of the Medusa in H5
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted November 09, 2014 10:28 PM |
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Medusa. I really like they decided to include her in Dungeon line-up and made a lore explanation. It's also great a race isn't bound to a single faction. Considering they worship Malassa now I can't wait to see how that altered their appearance.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted November 09, 2014 10:32 PM |
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blizz said:
Medusa. I really like they decided to include her in Dungeon line-up and made a lore explanation. It's also great a race isn't bound to a single faction. Considering they worship Malassa now I can't wait to see how that altered their appearance.
Probably something similar to that.
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted November 10, 2014 08:39 AM |
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That coral priestess looks quite fitting for dungeon. She even has purple magic 
On a more serious note: from the concept artwork I get the impression that the medusa will wield a bow. As we already get plenty of archers (x-bowman, hunter, stalker) I would prefer her to have a magic attack similar to that DoC artwork. After all, the kamehameha attack of the matriarch looked totally awesome.
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted November 10, 2014 09:17 AM |
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Steyn said:
That coral priestess looks quite fitting for dungeon. She even has purple magic
On a more serious note: from the concept artwork I get the impression that the medusa will wield a bow.
I think that some kind of staff is more plausible because her upgrade is called "Medusa Sorceress". Besides, this artwork was there just to present a general feel of the unit, not its final look.
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted November 10, 2014 09:52 AM |
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I know the artwork only shows the general feeling of the unit, but the feeling I get from the medusa artwork is naga with bow.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted November 10, 2014 01:37 PM |
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Because thats the chinese online heroes 3 remakeish an its medusa artwork is obviously based in the H3 medusa. I expect the Medusa sorceress to look something like that but with a staff
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Lokheit
Known Hero
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posted November 10, 2014 09:42 PM |
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Edited by Lokheit at 21:46, 10 Nov 2014.
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Honestly, there are some weird "restrictions" that are broken all the time on Ashan lore that I think the best way to deal with them is to act like if they don't matter at all.
For examples, humans are Ylath creatures, yet there you have them, following Elrath.
Dark elves were orignally regular ones, which means they were Sylanna's creatures, but then you have them worshipping a different one in Malassa.
I guess it doesn't matter if Medusas are nagas or they follow the wrecker aspect of Shalassa, Malassa or the spagueti monster, everyone changes its dragon god all the time and nobody cares so whatever, just act like if no race had any relation with any dragon because apparently there aren't consequences of any type for changing it.
I don't think Naga should have been a nation to begin with, they don't strike me like that kind of creature with multiple ranks and classes forming a empire even if in this universe they're described as one of the 6 super cooler than everyone else races, I got them in the "Minotaurs and similar" category when I think about them.
So yep, it might be problematic to have them because they were part of a whole different faction made mostly of that race. It could be problematic too if Sanctuary returns to the game, but well, just think about them as humans from the free cities or from the seven cities and try to forget about it.
Now on the main topic, I think I prefer the Matriarch. I've always have some problems with Medusa's snake hair (I prefer classic female nagas over medusas for that reason) and I REALLY like Dark Elves. I think I would've taken some sort of dual form to keep the Medusa icon on dungeon, and Warhammer is already doing that so there is a precedent.
Nocturnal said:
I like the Medusa. Only if the Pearl Priestess didn't look like a Medusa in H6 (even with the snake hair), I would want them more. But now, I've already seen them in the Naga faction. Suddenly the same creature with different abilities will be in Dungeon again after H3. I don't like these switches. Harpies were in the Dungeon too, then went to Stronghold.
I think I am alone in this forum in this aspect: I love Dark Elves. H5 Dungeon was my favourite. Dark Eldar in Warhammer: Dawn Of War were also my favourite. I just love the concept of Dark Elves. I also love S&M themes. I had no problem with H5 Dungeon whatsoever. I could trade any beast with a treacherous dark elf any day. I would love it even, if an all-dark elf Dungeon was introduced.
That's why I would prefer Matriarchs. Adding Eruina's specialty (Coven Mistress) as a passive to them would even make them more interesting (of course with lesser damage than normal attack)
You're not alone, I really like Dark Elves too (though in WH40K I don't use Dark Eldars, they're too bizarre and their lore deviates from what typically makes dark elves likeable in their way with the righteous spite).
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted November 10, 2014 09:57 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
Because thats the chinese online heroes 3 remakeish an its medusa artwork is obviously based in the H3 medusa. I expect the Medusa sorceress to look something like that but with a staff
Then wouldn't they have used an artwork of medusa with staff? For example they could have used (a recoloured version of) the pearl priestess. They picked this artwork for a reason.
It's similar with the trogs. I don't expect those to wield a weapon, because then the heroes 3 or 4 trog would have been preferable over that screenshot from MM7.
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Nocturnal
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted November 10, 2014 10:08 PM |
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Lokheit said:
You're not alone, I really like Dark Elves too (though in WH40K I don't use Dark Eldars, they're too bizarre and their lore deviates from what typically makes dark elves likeable in their way with the righteous spite).
Feels great to know 
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted November 10, 2014 10:24 PM |
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Medusa/Medusa Sorceress are only temporary names.
I'm writing it so you guys won't forget it.
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Lokheit
Known Hero
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posted November 10, 2014 10:45 PM |
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Wellplay said:
Medusa/Medusa Sorceress are only temporary names.
I'm writing it so you guys won't forget it.
I'd prefer it with a bow and stoning gaze instead of a staff and mesmerize skills that seem to be the current direction :/
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