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Minastir
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posted July 16, 2015 10:59 PM |
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Edited by Minastir at 22:42, 13 Aug 2015.
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Minastir's and Articun's HVII Expansions
Thread dedicated to show our ideas for HVII Expansions
 Expanding already existing line-ups with 4th core and elite new creatures, creating 4/4/2 line-ups
Creating new line-ups for the three absent factions: Inferno, Fortress and Sanctuary
 Of course this is work in progress  everything can be changed, empty space in the graphic means we still didn't decided what would be the best idea
  Share with us your ideas, which creatures are the most likely to appear in the game ? which you would like to see the most ? 
The line-ups are meant to try and predict the possible addition of one more unit per core and elite tier by limbic in a possible expanding having in mind the current artwork produced and direction of the game
That means that the lineups will still be 3/3/1 but there will be a choice much to how the champions work on which 3 units you can build. Probably, the choice could be fixed, allowing you to choose between the top creature of each tier. Or maybe it will be lax and allow you to build any one between the 4 units until you have 3.
Core:
Crossbowman/Marksman -(Walker/shooter)
Dire Wolf/Silverback -(Walker/melee)
Sentinel/Legionnaire -(Walker/melee)
4th core: Griffin -(Flyer/Melee)
other ideas: Elite Squire
Elite:
Guardian/Justicar -(Walker/melee)
Chaplain/Abbot -(Walker/shooter)
Cavalier/Cuirassier -(Walker/melee)
4th elite: ?
ideas: Blazing Glory, beast hunter, Chosen of Elrath
Champion:
Angel/Archangel -(Flyer/melee)
Landsknecht/Swordmaster -(Walker/melee)
Core:
Cabir/Master Cabir -(Walker/shooter)
Gargoyle/Obsidian Gargoyle -(Flyer/melee)
Golem/Sandstone Golem -(Walker/melee)
4th core: Dervish/Dervish Diva -(Walker/shooter)
other ideas: ?
Elite:
Djinn/Djinn Channeler -(Flyer/spell caster/support)
Apprentice/Disciple -(Walker/shooter)
Rakshasa/Rakshasa Raja -(Walker/melee)
4th elite: ?
other ideas: Dragon golem, Taweret Warrior, Mercenary, Sphinx, Arcane archer
Champion:
Arcane Eagle/Simurgh -(Flyer/melee)
Colossus/Titan -(Walker/shooter)
Core:
Pixie/Sprite -(Flyer/melee)
Hunter/Master hunter -(Walker/shooter)
Dryad/Oak dryad -(Flyer/melee)
4th core: Root snake/Root Python - (Walker/Melee)
other ideas: Satyr
Elite:
Druid/Elder Druid -(Walker/Shooter)
Moon Doe/Sun Deer -(Walker/Melee)
Blade Dancer/Blade Master -(Walker/melee)
4th elite: Unicorn/Alicorn -(Flyer/Melee) - (Upgrade - winged unicorn) Why Alicorn, pegacorn, unipeg or whatever you would like to call it ? Because unicorn is fan favourite and Sylvan line-up really need a flier, it would be something new and it would satisfy both unicorn and pegasus fans 
other ideas: Emerald Knight, Owlbear
Champion:
Green Dragon/Emerald dragon -(Walker/melee)
Treant/Ancient treant -(Walker/Shooter)
Core:
Brute / Crusher -(Walker/Melee)
Harpy / Fury- (Flyer/Strike and Return) - Melee flier with strike and return ability and no retaliation.
Gnoll / Gnoll Hunter -(Walker/Opportunity Shooter)
4th core: ?
other ideas: Werejaguar, Scorpion, Suicide Goblin, Bramble Beast
Elite:
Centaur / Centaur Marauder -(Walker/shooter)
Basilisk / Basilisk Lancer -(Walker/melee)
Wyvern / Venomous Wyvern -(Flyer/Melee)
4th elite: Oliphant / War Oliphant -(Walker/Melee/Tank)
other ideas: Blood Caller, Jaguar Warrior, Vulture Rider, Sahaar Orc, Sahaar Raging Chieftain
Champion:
Cyclops/Enraged Cyclops -(Walker/Shooter)
Behemoth/Ancient Behemoth -(Walker/Melee/Tank)
The problem with Dungeon is that the obvious creatures that people would like in a line-up, are warfare units, watcher and faceless, therefore it is unlikely that in expansion they would become creatures leaving empty space in warfare.
Core:
Stalker/Tracker -(Walker/shooter)
Assassin/Shade -(Walker/melee)
Troglodyte/Chthonian -(Walker/melee/tank)
4th core: Ahool -(Flier/melee)
other ideas: Ahool, Blood Fury, Skirmisher, Centipede, Shadow Panther, Lesser Shadow Elemental
Elite:
Minotaur/Minotaur Guard -(Walker/melee)
Medusa/Medusa Sorceress -(Walker/shooter)
Strider/Soulless -(Walker/melee)
4th elite: Manticore/Scorpicore -(Flier/melee)
other ideas: Shadow sorceress, Nightmare
Champion:
Shadow Dragon/Black Dragon -(Flier/melee)
Cave Hydra/Dark Hydra -(Walker/melee)
Core:
Skeleton/Skeleton Hoplite -(Walker/melee)
Ebon spider/Death spider -(Walker/melee)
Ghost/Banshee -(Flier/melee)
4th core: ZombiePlague Zombie -(Walker/melee)
other ideas: Ghoul, Mummy
Elite:
Lamasu/Plague Lamasu -(Flier/melee)
Lich/Archlich -(Walker/shooter)
Vampire/Vampire Lord -(Walker/melee)
4th elite: Abomination/Ghastly Abomination -(Walker/melee/tank)
other ideas: Bone Golem
Champion:
Grim rider/Grim Reaper -(Walker/melee)
Bone Dragon/Spectral Dragon -(Flier/melee)
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Minastir
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posted July 16, 2015 11:09 PM |
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foxxxer
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posted July 17, 2015 01:13 AM |
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Edited by foxxxer at 01:15, 17 Jul 2015.
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HAVEN
As always it's hard to come up with new creatures for Haven. I think Griffin should be elevated to elite tier in a future expansion. Now it's understandable as Griffins will be replacement of the wolves in the campaign but they should go in the elites, imo this creature is downgraded all over the series (except H4). Squire is a possibility for core unit but it might be too similar to Sentinel/Legionnaire. As I said it’s hard to find proper creatures for Haven.
ACADEMY
Dervish is fine for core creature but Sphinx is too similar to Griffin and Lamasu. We dont't want recycled Lamasu to apear as Shinx, right? Maybe some mechanical creature will be good new asset in the elite tier, for instance like H4’s Dragon Golem or mechanical spider
SYLVAN
Ever since Root snake thingy was introduced I have mixed fillings. I don’t think they fit well Sylvan. Maybe Satyr or Mantis will fit better in the core. Unicorn or Pegacorn will be welcomed.
STRONGHOLD
Those carnivorous plants fit faction based in the jungle, not desert imo. If the Scorpion goes in the core will be better as there are three humanoids there. However a humanoid in the elite tier would be good something like H5 Shaman or H6 Dreamwalker
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matrix123mko
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posted July 17, 2015 07:08 AM |
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Haven: Move griffin to elite. Use light elemental in core as support like H6 priestess.
Academy: Maybe make gremlin engieneer(controling construct) in elite
Stronghold: Make scorpion in core.
I really want to see Inferno, the true evil of ashan!!!
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted July 17, 2015 07:52 AM |
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Haven: I agree with those supporting Griffin as Elite. For Core... maybe the Light Elemental, but I'm also going to nominate the lowly Peasant.
Academy: Sphinx, as it currently stands, is pretty much "Lamasu but not undead." Not a fan. How about something like... *flips through Academy cards in Duel of Champions* Arcane Archer? Nethermancer? Blade Mage?
Sylvan: Current roster in picture looks perfect to me. Don't change it. 
Stronghold: Bramble Beast, Werejaguar, Jaguar Warrior... these all smack of jungle orcs, not desert orcs. Blood Caller also feels a bit too Aztec for my liking. I support moving Scorpion to Core.
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted July 17, 2015 08:27 AM |
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Haven: I agree that griffin should be elite. Glory as core might be a nice addition, as it allows for a very offensive haven. Peasants are really useless, so if included I would prefer them as neutrals. The taxpayer ability can be useful however, so maybe they have some strategic use?
Academy: Sphinx is an awesome unit, but with lamassu, manticore and griffin it is indeed a bit redundant. Furthermore they have the lore against them, with the lamassu being a failed attempt in creating sphinx. On top of that we already have a lot of beastmen, so I would prefer not to include even more of them. I really like the suggestion of the dragon golem, even though this feels as champion material.
Sylvan: I agree with Kimarous, the currently proposed line-up is perfect. I wouldn't go for emerald knight, as 3 elf units are enough as it is and their design seems to be stolen by the sylvan magic hero.
Stronghold: Most units proposed are indeed more fit with the H6 jungle orcs. The bramble beast even feels sylvan to me, so that would be a big NO. I myself am not a huge fan of the scorpion, but it does fit nicely in the desert theme. As said by the others, move it to core tier. For the elite I think Oliphant is a bit too strong and especially including the scorpion stronghold has enough beasts already. I really liked the H5 slayer unit and the upgrade with giant axe even more. Maybe put such a kind of ogre in elite?
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Portus
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posted July 17, 2015 09:15 AM |
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Well, I think there are already enough creatures per faction, but if they were to add some extra, why not just one more elite per faction? This way, the game won't get excessively complex from the very start and by the end of month 1 you would be starting to explore deeply elite tier possibilities. I don't know about you, but I find it a bit senseless to be able to control four or five different creatures from week 2 on. I want to be forced to "cope" with low troops for a little longer, and as things complicate, be able to introduce new warriors.
Haven: I've never liked to see griffins as tamed beasts, so I would save them for some other faction, perhaps stronghold (I can't help thinking of griffins as untamable beasts), and they would be definitely elite. As for haven, perhaps another warrior on horseback (all in all, they are humans), something like pistoliers from Warhammer Fantasy's Empire. I think for a faction like haven having another shooter is fair enough.
Academy: Sphinx is a perfect concept, but in order not to make it too similar to lamahsus and so it could have looks -and skills- more fit to a construct creature. Even straightforward mechanical.
Sylvan: Unicorn would be the obvious next step, but since Ruthless Bambi is already "indahouse", it'd be redundant.
Stronghold: Griffin, as I said. For a faction expected to be weak when it comes to magic, having another flier sounds fit.
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Jiriki9
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Altar Dweller
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posted July 17, 2015 09:22 AM |
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Awesome you two aree doing this! =) You are doing such great work together!
Haven:
As everybody says, please let griffin be elite
For COre then, soem light spirit would possably be the easiest choice. In an Ashan Haven, I can not really think of another Haven Core. Peasants would have to have something REALLY pushing them and Haven is so human-based in Ashan that adding a creature of another race would be too unfitting.
Academy:
The additions are ok. A thing I'd find interesting would be some kind of "living" blades as Core, you know, enchanted to fly and swirl around and kill... sadly I found no suitable pic to show what I mean.
Sylvan:
Unicorn in Elite is a good thing for me but if you dislike it because of the Deer...what about a Bard?
Satyr would be better than root snake imo.
Stronghold:
What about a TROLL in Elite??? Bramble beast is better than jaguar in Core! Scorpion and Blood Caller (=some shaman?) would work as core as well, imo.
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Mediczero
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posted July 17, 2015 09:42 AM |
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HAVEN
Personally I really love the Glory, so I would accept the Griffin as core if we could get it back! Go for it!
Beside, the beast hunter appears to be boring...
ACADEMY
Like the Dervish, but I'll go for the Taweret over the Sphinx, as it appears to similar to the Lamasu.
SYLVAN
Perfect! Please perserve it!!!
STRONGHOLD
Perhaps a goblin for core?
It's a classic, and a pest in large numbers!
Pick either a sort of Ogre or Shaman for elite...
Jiriki9 said:
Haven:
As everybody says, please let griffin be elite
For COre then, soem light spirit would possably be the easiest choice. In an Ashan Haven, I can not really think of another Haven Core. Peasants would have to have something REALLY pushing them and Haven is so human-based in Ashan that adding a creature of another race would be too unfitting.
When wasn't it human-based?
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articun
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As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted July 17, 2015 09:47 AM |
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Edited by articun at 10:17, 17 Jul 2015.
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Let me clarify the purpose for these lineups:
They are meant to try and predict the possible addition of one more unit per core and elite tier by limbic in a possible expanding having in mind the current artwork produced and direction of the game
That means that the lineups will still be 3/3/1 but there will be a choice much to how the champions work on which 3 units you can build. Probably, the choice could be fixed, allowing you to choose between the top creature of each tier. Or maybe it will be lax and allow you to build any one between the 4 units until you have 3.
So, addressing some of your thoughts so far:
Haven:
The Griffin. The Griffin in heroes 7 is a strong core neutral for Haven. And it also has the upgrade in game as well. As such it is almost sure that should there be expanded lineups to 4/4/2, the Griffin will come back to the Faction and loose the neutral status. The most possible scenario is that they will make us choose between either Wolf or Griffin structure to be build in town, as we now do to the Champions.
But i must ask you, do you believe they are willing to make the Griffin elite again?
The Glories: An easy unit to incorporate to the Faction and possibly as a choice between the Cavalier. The model can be reused from Heroes VI or worked on existing ones like the Dryad or Genie. All in all, it is still one of the most obvious choices since it has a good fan base and also unique to Haven abilities that allows for a more offensive and fast battle.
Sylvan:
The Root Snake. The Root snake has been in the lineup voting and as such we can see the intention of the developers in adding it to the Faction. Though not necessarily a sure unit, it is currently the most probable to be added as core, since the developers must have had a vision for how the unit could work. Possibly this unit will be a choice between the Dryad and itself.
Unicorn: This might be the unit with the most fan voices to come back. And they also went as far as to create the model for Sylvan mount. Thus, it becomes easier to implement it as a fighting lineup. It needs some visual changes and animations. Since the elite tier already has 2 elf units, it is highly unlikely we will see another one in the face of Emerald Knight, so the Unicorn is the obvious choice. Pegacorn or Alicorn is a novelty but will also provide the Sylvan elite tier a much needed flyer unit and will also differentiate the this unit from the Doe and Stag.
Stronghold: In general, Stronghold provides a hard challenge. Beastmen and orcs have merged into one, making it hard to find suitable units to add.
Oliphant: I agree that it feels more Champion than Elite, but as of now, it proves to be one of the greatest assets for the elite tier, giving a tank unit to the faction. I don't agree that there are many beasts in Stronghold, there is the basilisk that is mounted and the Behemoth, so the Oliphant or War elephant shouldn't stress the lineup too much.
Brumble Beast: Maybe not the best choice, but still, this is why we need your help. Maybe the spider could work, and also have a relationship to death spiders akin to how Titans had resentment against Blk Dragons. But having the scorpion to the core and oliphant to the elite will provide stronghold with too many beasts.
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Jiriki9
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posted July 17, 2015 11:05 AM |
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When wasn't it human-based?
Never of course, but in other settings it felt, to me, that it would be POSSIBLE to have other races in a haven lineup, but not in Ashan.
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But i must ask you, do you believe they are willing to make the Griffin elite again?
is it somehow confirmed they will expand to 4-4-2 lineups with an expansion? If so, I did not get that yet. If not, I would not at all bet on that anyway^^
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articun
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As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted July 17, 2015 11:11 AM |
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I wouldn't say confirmed but more like fitting pieces of the puzzle together, like the idea of choosing Champions, or the survey that had the question if we would like to see more units added to the factions and so on.
On the other hand, having the threads here and giving ideas, we might just as well make it happen somehow. We are making the work for the developers for them in a great part
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alexine
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posted July 17, 2015 12:44 PM |
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It would be awesome if you add abilities for the new units and maybe also add some more to the existing ones.  Pictures dont say much but I appreciate
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Minastir
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Famous Hero
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posted July 17, 2015 12:50 PM |
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alexine said:
It would be awesome if you add abilities for the new units and maybe also add some more to the existing ones. Pictures dont say much but I appreciate
Everything with time We still didn't decided for most of the faction units (only Sylvan looks to be accepted the best) so there are going to be changes after all (so far we know that bramble beast and sphinx are going to be changed)
PS: I'm going to add Necropolis today so stay tuned
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MiniaAr
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posted July 17, 2015 05:42 PM |
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Edited by MiniaAr at 17:43, 17 Jul 2015.
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Haven:
Glory as core and Griffin as Elite would be great. The other way around is possible, but I'm not totally convinced.
Sylve:
I like what you did with the Pegacorn, indeed Sylve would benefit from an Elite flyer and this is a nice and original merger. Great job.
Stronghold:
Instead of the Oliphant, why not use the Dreamweaver or Shaman. They are part of Ashan Stronghold/Bastion so I assume they'd be included.
For core, Goblin seems an easy choice, but they're already sitting on the basilisk. If nothing better, I'd be ok with that.
Academy:
I like Dervish, enough said. About elite I share the concerns that Lamassu/Manticore/Sphinx are going to be too much alike. I'm also not sure Academy needs another flyer: Gargoyles and Simurgh are already there. Why not the Mercenary suggested in Minastir's lineups. Academy could use additional punch at elite level on the might side.
Great effort anyway, I'll be following this.
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alexine
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posted July 17, 2015 11:42 PM |
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Edited by alexine at 23:43, 17 Jul 2015.
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Maybe you could move the gryphon into elite and make that golden girl from H6 the next core unit ? They need more flyers so those 2 would make sence, and I kinda like some magical units across factions. 
Edit : I ment the blazing glory for next core.
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Minastir
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posted July 17, 2015 11:42 PM |
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I have added Dungeon but we still didn't decided on core creature but we have provided a lot of ideas
Also we have added new creatures ideas for Haven, Academy and Stronghold
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EnergyZ
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President of MM Wiki
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posted July 17, 2015 11:44 PM |
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Hm, how about a dark puma? Cats are sometimes known to be sneaky before ambushing opponents, which Dungeon focuses on.
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Minastir
Promising
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posted July 17, 2015 11:55 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
Hm, how about a dark puma? Cats are sometimes known to be sneaky before ambushing opponents, which Dungeon focuses on.
There is already shadow panther in 'ideas', the creature that was in HVI, it was neutral unit
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matrix123mko
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posted July 18, 2015 11:36 AM |
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Dungeon: Strider and minotaur are both tanks. Where is shadow witch spellcaster? Bat to core, pls.
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